Where can I read about the european people's origin? Particularly

>>3285235

Do you want memes or reality?
Reality probably isn't interesting for a MUH HERITAGE American so you'd probably get bored quick and go watch some NASCAR

>>3285242
Reality of course. I hope I didn't come to the wrong board. I mean, this seems like it would be the correct board.

>>3285242
>>3285248
And I'm not a muh heritage american.

>>3285248

Scandinavians originate in a synthesis of the Funnelbeaker culture and Corded Ware(who were just dilluted Yamnaya people).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funnelbeaker_culture

>>3285242
Go be butthurt elsewhere Eurocuck

>>3285255

Although now that I think about it, there was also Bell Beaker migration to Denmark and Sweden where they blended seamlessly into the local Corded Ware.

>>3285255
Ok, so this is what I have gathered from before.

>Western Hunter gatherers were pesent in Europe and in Scandinavia, Eastern Hunter gatherers were present to the east of Europe/Russia?
Not sure how the Scandinavian hunter gatherers were in relation to these? Were they a mix of EHG and WHG or what?
>Farmers from middle east went into europe, the more south the more of their dna is present in today's population
>Then the Yamnaya people went into Europe and brought the indo european language and culture with rapid expansion
>This turned into the Corded Ware culture and the bronze age culture in Scandinavia? And also it became the different language groups in Europe, germanics, celts, romance etc.

How is this? Am I on the right track?

>>3285283

>Not sure how the Scandinavian hunter gatherers were in relation to these? Were they a mix of EHG and WHG or what?

Yep. They are called Scandinavian HGs though.
Norway was more EHG and Sweden was more WHG.

http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/07/17/164400

But these SHG were a largely irrelevant group. Today their genes are more present in Finland(~5%) than Sweden.

>>3285305
But the hunter gatherers in europe were closely related? I mean, WHG and WHG what was the difference?

>>3285242
>Being this retarded.

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>>3285323
I ask, because here I see only "european hunter gatherers" instead of two (or three with scandi) seperated hunter gatherers.

>>3285333
I mean, it says western euro gatherers, but does that mean they have lumped it together with EHG and SHG? Or what.

>>3285323

>WHG and WHG

You mean WHG and EHG?

Well, EHG was part WHG but the other part was more closely related to Native Americans but not East Asians.

That's because Native Americans and EHG were both part Ancient North Eurasian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal'ta–Buret'_culture


There's more to say about WHG but I don't wanna get into that since it would take a long time to explain.

>>3285333

The Yamnaya component here is about 55% EHG.

>>3285352
>You mean WHG and EHG?
Yes,sorry.

Ok, so when they talk about WHG in that image, they are actually lumping together WHG/EHG(+ the north eurasian mammoth steppe components that the EHG has)?

>>3285385

It's just an approximation of reality. The Yamnaya could just easily suck up EHG as WHG does.

Early Neolithic also shares some genetic drift with WHG.

But I really don't think people like Norwegians or Slavs have that much extra EHG beyond that which they got from Yamna. Their mix is mostly Yamna+Neolithic+Baltic WHG.

>>3285405
>Neolithic
What do you mean by this?

>>3285420

7000 BC there was movement from Anatolia into Balkans as the Agricultural revolution made exponential population growth possible.

Over the next few thousand years their descendants managed to expand all the way to Stockholm and Ireland but not to the Baltic countries and Northern Poland which stayed WHG.

There was of course mixing with the new Europeans and the old ones. Both males and females were welcome into farmer society.

http://www.pnas.org/content/114/10/2657.abstract

>>3285305
Scandinavians HG's are not a distinct group on their own, they're basically WHG+EHG

>>3285464

They had a lot of genes which aren't found in other populations and also the East Asian EDAR gene at high frequency which hasn't been found in any WHG or EHG group.

They were very special.

>>3285451
>Baltic countries and Northern Poland which stayed WHG.

They weren't fully WHG either, Earlier Kunda and Narva cultures were WHG like, then EHG's showed up with Pit-Comb Ware culture

>>3285475
>SHG appear intermediate between WHG/Kunda and EHG in PCA space, and the
statistic D(SHG,WHG; EHG, Mbuti) is strongly significant for excess allele sharing
of SHG and EHG (Z=12.8).

>However, using qpWave we cannot reject the
previously published result of SHG being formed by admixture of WHG and EHG 6
(58±2% WHG with 42±2% EHG; p=0.55;

Having some sort of mutation doesn't make you a special snowflake. All groups weren't identical, EHG's came in many skin shades/hair/eye colors autosomal wise they're not different.

"Survive the Jive" is a British historian with lots of videos on Youtube about Indo-European origins. Especially Scandinavians.

>>3285489

I can't remember the name of the paper right now but it had samples from Lithuania which unlike the Estonian and Latvian ones were very close to full WHG not long before Corded Ware showed up. Poland of course didn't have Pit-Combs. Poland is more relevant to the WHG in Globular Amphora and Corded Ware anyway.

>>3285255
Scandi are Pre IE they have nothing to do with Yamnaya / R1b


Only British , French, Spaniards, Portuguese are the sons of Yamnaya

>>3285451
I see.

How did the sami and the finns come into all of this? I've heard that sami people came here some 2000 years ago.

>>3285512
This is bullcrap and nonsense and the whole post should be deleted because nobody deserve to be confused by it ITT.

>>3285513
Finns have lived on the Baltic coast since 6000 B.C.
Sami came on reindeerback from the frozen east 2000 years ago, might not have originally been finnics.

>>3285506
Well that still doesn't make them fully WHG, that's why I said WHG like.

>That Narva individuals derive
directly from Kunda without additional admixture cannot be rejected (p=0.12),
however it can also be accounted for by admixture of Kunda with either EHG, SHG
or WHG (Supplementary Information Table S4). Specifically we see a greater
proportion of possible admixture into the two samples excavated at the more eastern
site Kretuonas (13±3% EHG or 33±7% SHG) than into the two Narva individuals
from the more western sites (3±3% EHG or 7±6% SHG)

>>3285513

Yeah. Pretty much. My understanding is that Finns arrived in Finland around the same time as Sami left it for Lapland.

>>3285526
Yeah, so finns were basically WHG/EHG, like the rest of us, and they just got a bit less of the Neolithic components, and then they developed a different language spoken by asians?

>>3285526
>Finns have lived on the Baltic coast since 6000 B.C.

lel

>>3285516
t. butthurt Pre Indo-European slave
You're I1
Proto Indo-Europeans were R1b-M269
Indo-Europeans were R1b-M269 and R1a
British , French, Spaniards, Portuguese are R1b-M269

We came into your continent, then we enslaved you and took your women.


We are the masters of Europe.

>>3285548

He's just we wuzing.

Finns have less WHG than Balts and less EHG than a lot of populations from Russia like Kargopol and Vologda.

Only a relatively high rate of Siberian admixture(~7%) and genetic drift make Finns distinct.

>>3285557
I'm hiding unserious posts. Not gonna take that toxic.

>>3285548
Finns came from the urals, not the caucasian steppes
Consider that there are real life ching chong chinky little yellow snow critters far in the siberian north that speak similar languages to them.

>>3285564
Ok. This is what I thought.
But I always thought it was weird about their language. When did they develop that language and why.

>>3285568
Except their DNA don't show that.

>>3285557
>Proto Indo-Europeans were R1b-M269
not exclusively, they were an amalgamated population.

>>3285572

That question will be easier to answer a few years from now.

But there apparently was a very rapid spread of Uralic languages and haplogroup N1c 4000 years ago.

>>3285575
Nigga the urheimats of PIE and ugric speakers are literally right next to each other and might even overlap.
>muh DNA

>>3285587
N was nowhere to be found in Europe until some 2000 years ago.

>>3285575
That's because they largely descend from the same Corded Ware people at least from maternal side. You have to take into account how low population levels were thousand of years ago then take genetic drift into account. In 1150 there were 20-40k people in Finland, go back to 1000BC and you'll probably find five thousand at best.

>>3285596
>That's because they largely descend from the same Corded Ware people
Yes that's what I have figured.

>>3285593

Except for that Iron Age Hungarian ponyrider who had 1/4 East Asian ancestry, although his N was not closely related to Uralic N.

Uralic N1c is too internally diverse in Europe to be under 4000 years old.

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>>3285593
You're being dumb on purpose, right?

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>>3285610
>Uralic N1c is too internally diverse in Europe to be under 4000 years old.

Literally all European N1c carriers go back to a single clade from 2300BC~.

>>3285626
No, I'm saying the asians came to Finland about 2000 years ago. Not 4000.

>>3285610
>>3285626
>>3285630
>>3285631
Here is a video for you guys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jaeSHfNTuQ

>>3285630

Eupedia isn't a legit source.

The Indo-European Kiukainen culture was probably 90% R1a.

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>mfw had a Basque Grandfather
>mfw reading about the origins of the Basque people

I can't really find anything solid on them, looking at pictures of them gives me this uncanny feeling, like they look European but there's something... off. Where did they come from? Are they Ayys?

>>3285512
>>3285557
>Proto Indo-Europeans were R1b-M269
there is no evidence for it even originating on any steppe, let alone the pontic steppe

>>3285642

Also the idea that Chukchi ancestors came from Finland is so bad. I can barely imagine anything more stupid.

More likely the common ancestor lived in some place with a plausible link to both Chukotka and Europe and both Z1934 and CTRS10760 moved to Europe at the same time.

>>3285642
Kiukainen culture wasn't a strictly an IE culture, but a merge of CWC successor culture and Comb Ware.

>>3285645
Most heavily concentrated collection of Rh- blood types in the world, to my knowledge.

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>>3285642

>>3285668

So they had R1a and R1a. Interesting diversity but nothing to do with N1c.

>>3285678
We only have one sample from Comb Ware culture which carried some irrelevant R1a branch. One sample isn't really enough to determine culture as a whole.

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>>3285671
I'm a brainlet, what does that mean?

>>3285683

Yeah maybe they had R1b, I2 and Q as well.
J1 is also a very solid contender. Y-Full has a very old branch in Finland and it was found in a Karelian EHG from 5000 BC.

>>3285693
do you have monkey blood? Rhesus positive, rhesus negative. Negative is rare, which makes it's high rate of expression among the Basque somewhat suggestive.

>>3285693
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rh_blood_group_system#Hemolytic_disease_of_the_newborn

>The hemolytic condition occurs when there is an incompatibility between the blood types of the mother and the fetus. There is also potential incompatibility if the mother is Rh negative and the father is positive.
funny, right?

>>3285760
>>3285770
I'm O-, you guys are throwing me down a rabbit hole of learning right now

>>3285496
>historian
lmao

>>3285783
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type_distribution_by_country#Maps_of_allele_ABO_among_native_populations

>>3285838

Blood types is to genetics like tic tac toe is to chess.
Best forgotten.

>>3285851
>like tic tac toe is to go
>like go is to chess
fixd

>>3285856

But Go is an actual game.

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>>3285646
>>3285565

Cry more faggots

In our blood(Anglos, Irish, French, Scots, Spaniards, Portuguese) lie the divine bloodline of the Indo-Europeans

>>3285586
False pic related

>>3286123
>Anglos
wtf

>>3286123

This is true.
Germans are half French, half Swedish.

>>3286123
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans#Genetics
>According to Jones et al. (2015) and Haak et al. (2015), autosomic tests indicate that the Yamnaya-people were the result of admixture between two different hunter-gatherer populations: distinctive "Eastern European hunter-gatherers" with high affinity to the Mal'ta-Buret' culture or other, closely related Ancient North Eurasian(ANE) people from Siberia[24] and to Western Hunter Gatherers(WHG) and a population of "Caucasus hunter-gatherers" who probably arrived from somewhere in the Near East, probably the Caucasus or Iran.[25][web 1] Each of those two populations contributed about half the Yamnaya DNA.[26][web 1] According to co-author Dr. Andrea Manica of the University of Cambridge:

they were contemporary with the Burned House Horizon and Cucuteni–Trypillia ffs.

Actual Indo-Europeans really are a different breed.

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>>3286155
Their achievements look Indo-European to me

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>>3286123
>In our blood(Anglos, Irish, French, Scots, Spaniards, Portuguese) lie the divine bloodline of the Indo-Europeans

What does that make Mestizos and Castizos? What if I not only have Spaniard but Basque in me as well? What are some Pre-IE people that are still around? All I know of is the Basque

>>3285235
Early Europeans, including future Scandis, were all Proto-Slavs

>>3285242
How do people unironically strawman this hard

>>3286203
Did they domesticate the horse and develop the spoked wheel/lactase persistence while I wasn't looking?
what the fuck are you talking about?

>>3286227

Americans really have a tendency to shit up these threads with their muh heritage garbage about their Czech grandmothers rare bloodtypes.

>>3285838
O- seems to be significantly higher in European populations than others.

>>3286204
>Slav

There is nothing more hypocritical than you

A few years ago, you boasted that we were Paleolithic Cavemen native to Europe that you conquered, then it was revealed that R1b-M269 wasn't in Europe at that time, so you claimed that we were Indo-Europeanized Natives that followed you into Europe

If it wasn't for Yamnaya you would still call us "R1berian"

By the way, if you have the same admixture than our ancestors it is because you share the same mtDNA than them, it has nothing to do with a common origin.

>>3286260

What the fuck are you talking about?

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>>3286269
I'm talking about pic related

A few years ago, this kind of post was common

>>3286281

Oh you're the Australian guy talking about his equally special /int/ friend. I don't think he's here right now?

>>3286287
I'm not him, but as an Aryan God R1bull i can't stand this obvious cultural appropriation

>>3286123
Yamna isn't ancestor of modern Western Europeans. Bell Beaker is.

The less yamnaya you are the better you are.

>>3286307

Same thing except for maternal lines

>>3286354
>Same thing except for maternal lines
Then it isn't the same thing, you momo.

>>3286376

So Slavs don't come from Corded Ware

>>3286414
What do Slavs have to do with the fact that you're blatantly we-wuzing like a faggot?

>>3286260
wat

>>3285496
Found some of videos interesting but I saw him talking to varg virkenes and I don't wanna listen to those kinds of people. Is jive One of the ethnio nationalists?

>>3286260
Is it autism?

>>3286475
No he's not one of those. He only corrected their stupid notions because he wanted more views probably. He is a university graduate historian.

>>3286482
>He is a university graduate historian.
And yet he used R1b map for his "Indo-European" video.
Completely ignoring their R1a branch and the fucking group that the word "Aryan" comes from.

He's a meme.

>>3286491
You're putting too much weight on haplogroups. That's more of a meme than his research will ever be.

>>3286491

What's the problem with R1b and Indo-Europeans?

Can't see any

>>3286502
>>3286510
>tries to larp as an Aryan even though he uses literal centum branch of Indo-Europeans, completely ignoring the satem branch from which the word "Aryan" comes from
>no, sorry it was just a joke
What did he mean by this?

>>3286513
Sorry, who's larping as an Aryan?

Why everyone wanna be aryan?

>>3286515
Watch the fucking video, you absolute fucking cunt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4JPMYHTZis

>>3286521
I've seen it. He's not "larping as an aryan".
What do you even mean by that?

They came from Africa xD

>>3286524
He uses "Aryan" for R1b branch of IE while not even mentioning the R1a branch of it.
That's just autistic.

>>3286513

But Slavs never called themselves anything like Aryan or at least there's no evidence.
It seems to have been specific to the Indo-Iranians.

>>3286531
What's so important about the R1a branch? I'm not one of the experts ITT, I'm the guy who just want to learn. This thread went a bit out of shape with shitposting a few hours ago, so I couldn't pay attention.

>>3286538
What the fuck is with you and Slavs. Did Slavs fuck your mother?
>>3286541
Persians, Scythians, Sarmatians, Sanskrit, Slavs, Balts, Early Germanics, Ancient Macedonians.

>>3286550
Still not following.

>>3286550

Why are you so mad?

>>3286243
that's because X- blood is significantly higher in select European populations.

Simply O type blood seems far more common among Native Americans and some Africans.

I am really not a scientist but i would say most of Scandinavia is a melting pot of peoples from up to 10000 years back or even much longer back in time, maybe all the way back to when the neanderthals still roamed the earth.

>>3285512
Scandis have the highest Yamna admixture in Europe and majority R1a/R1b

>>3286657
You kinda described all europeans, but especially the south europeans. In reality scandinavians are the best "preserved" europeans, along with baltics and especially Finns.

>>3286491
R1a are Indo-Europeanized Natives only R1b is Indo-Europeans

>>3286550
>Scythians, Sarmatians, Early Germanics, Ancient Macedonians

R1b

>>3286657

It was under thick ice before 10000 years ago

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>>3286672
>In reality scandinavians are the best "preserved" europeans
Wishful thinking

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>>3286690
No it's not.

>R1b
the original Indo-European group who spoke a Centum language (attested by the early spread of Anatolian and Tocharian)
>R1a
an Indo-Europeanized group who spoke a Satem language (the result of a non-IE population attempting to speak Centum and mucking it up)

>>3286699
>Claim to be the closes from Yamnaya
>not R1b

Your ancestors were Pre Indo-Europeans I1 Larper

>>3286690
>>3286699
The true eurpoeans are the western european hunter-gatherers(and the east european gatherers), which are closely related to the yamnaya. Those countries with the least neolithic are well preserved europeans. That means Scandinavians are well preserved.

>>3285333
Yamnaya is EHG + CHG in this chart.

>>3286703
You don't understand genetics, you talk about haplogroups a lot and don't seem to realize how little this means.

>>3286712
CHG?

>>3286701
Why is CWC overwhelmingly R1a and almost 80% Yamnaya admixed then?

>>3286717
Caucasian Hunter Gatherers.

>>3286717
>>3286722

Actually not so much hunter gatherer anymore when the EHG males captured the Cuckassian females for interracial breeding purposes. They were pastoralists by that point.

>>3286724
>interracial
Funny thing, because EHG were probably of Cro-Magnon race while Caucasians were Mediterrenean derivates close to present day Armenians. And yes, the mix of them + depigmentation = the Nordic race...

>>3286714
>and don't seem to realize how little this means.
LMAO

Let's go straight to the point

As a I1 who/where was your ancestor 6000 years ago ?
He was a Neolithic European speaking a Pre Indo-European language, he was in Scandinavia/Hungary.

As a R1b who/where was my ancestor 6000 years ago ?
He was a Proto Indo-European speaking Proto Indo-European, he was in Ukraine.

EHG, are these the same as the north eurasian people?

>>3286735
EHG descended from ANE.

>>3286734
>I1
It's one of the oldest haplogroups in europe, so what's your point?

>>3286743
ANE?

>>3286734
This just confirms you don't know genetics.

>>3286720
A minority ruling over a majority different from themselves. Isn't that the case with most civilizations?

>>3286749
Ancient North Eurasians, you must be new here.

>>3286757

Yes I am new here and new to this kind of research as well. If you are knowledgable you would be kind if you were to share.

>>3286754
It doesn't make sense. Because how the fuck could "Aryan" genes be so frequent in "Native R1a" population? Also remember that Yamna is not a confirmed IE homeland, and Khvalynsk (Both R1a and R1b found in fossils!) is actually a better candidate.

>>3286753
You're in denial m8

>>3286747
My point is that he claim to be closer to Indo-Europeans than their actual descendants, so i am reminding him that his ancestors are Pre Indo-Europeans and language shifters

>>3286777
>he claim to be closer to Indo-Europeans
No I'm not, when did I do that?
And when did language start to matter?

>>3286785

>Scandis have the highest Yamna admixture in Europe and majority R1a/R1b

>In reality scandinavians are the best "preserved" europeans, along with baltics and especially Finns.

>Yamna isn't ancestor of modern Western Europeans. Bell Beaker is.
False btw

Afanasevo(ancestors of the Tocharians) that had the most Yamnaya admixture(since you want to play this game) carried only R1b and among these R1b there were two R1b-M269

>>3286796
>had the most Yamnaya admixture

My bad, they were Eastern Proto Indo-Europeans.


According to Allentoft et al. (2015) and Haak et al. (2015), Afanasevo were genetically indistinguishable from Yamnaya people,[8][1] putative Proto-Indo-Europeans under the Kurgan hypothesis. Only three Afanasevo male samples have had their paternal lineage results published, and all three, like most Yamna males, belong to haplogroup R1b, with two of them belonging to subclade M269, the most numerous among both the Yamna people and in modern Western Europe.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afanasevo_culture

>>3286796
>Scandis have the highest Yamna admixture in Europe and majority R1a/R1b
>Yamna isn't ancestor of modern Western Europeans. Bell Beaker is.
That wasn't me, shithead.


>>In reality scandinavians are the best "preserved" europeans, along with baltics and especially Finns.
This was however. What I mean by this is that the scandinavians have been relatively isolated genetically, compared to other europeans. They even have only a small amount of neolithic dna, which is pretty good for them.

>>3286777
You realize that I1's MRCA is dated to around 1500 BC, right? All I1 men today are just descended from one lucky dude a few thousand years ago, and even then every Scandinavian country still has more combined R1a + R1b and the highest Yamna admixture in modern Europe.

>>3286796
>Scandis have the highest Yamna admixture in Europe and majority R1a/R1b
They have also the highest WHG admixture, guess why? Because they have very little Neolithic admixture, and they have because Scandinavia is the farest part of Europe from the Mediterrenean...

>Afanasevo(ancestors of the Tocharians) that had the most Yamnaya admixture(since you want to play this game) carried only R1b and among these R1b there were two R1b-M269

Wrong. The most Steppe-admixed individual ever found was the man from Olsund, CWC - and he had y-DNA R1a and mtDNA U4.

>>3286814

What on does most steppe admixed even mean?
Steppe people were mixed.
Samara EHGs from 5000BC were twice as steppe as Yamna.
R1b by the way.

For sure Dumezil and Benveniste are the most important authors I would suggest to read for this kind of topic

>>3286822
>Samara/
Don't we have just one sample from it? From Khvalynsk, a culture before Samara, we found two men, one R1a and one R1b.

Is it known in which group the blue eyes originated? I know european blond hair may have originated on the north eurasian mammoth steppe, but that's it.

>>3286848

Khvalynsk was a thousand years after Samara and we have three from it.
An R1a man who was close to full EHG, an R1b man with slight CHG admixture and a Q man with half CHG admixture much like the Yamna after would be.

>>3286814
Steppe-admixture mean nothing aside from the fact that Yamnaya people had a sever case of yellow fever

>>3286885

Wrong kind of steppe you're thinking of.

The fever was for women with unibrows.

>>3286892
By steppe-admixture you're not talking about ANE ?

>>3286899

When people talk about steppe admixture they mean the mix Yamna had in 3000 BC. It involved fucking women from the Caucasus.

The ANE comes mainly from the R haplogroup. Mal'ta Boy was 100% ANE and R(not R1 or R2).

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>>3286905
>It involved fucking women from the Caucasus

True, but they do look like Asian

>>3286920

Kumyks and Bashkirs are Turkic.

Ossetians are closer to the mark.

>>3286920
Bashkirs and Kumyks are late Turkic immigrants. Armenian and Georgian women would look more similiar to the original Caucasians (but with longer heads).

>>3286920
Not at that time

Would someone with a lot of knowledge greentext the origin of europeans for me, so that I can get the basics?

>>3286924
>>3286928
>>3286929
Okay

Thanks for enlightening me

>>3286932
>Subsaharans migrate to North Africa
>Depigment a bit, creating Caucasoid race
>migrate through Middle-East to Europe
>Their y-DNA haplogroup is IJ btw.
>migrate to Europe
>create Aurignacian culture
>IJ branches into I (European), and J (Middle-Eastern)
>Mix with the Neanderthals 'til they go extinct
>become what we call WHG
>meanwhile another wave of humans migrate not to Europe, but eastwards to asia
>then north to siberia
>their haplogroup is R at this point btw.
>they become Ancient North Eurasians
>Aurignacian culture changes into Gravettian, and splits up, but who the fuck cares about the particular parts of them
>Meanwhile newer and newer waves of Middle-Eastern and North Africa migrate to Europe and spread Agriculture
>their haplogroups are G, J, E3b, T, and other
>ANE migrate westwards to Eastern Europe
>become EHG and CHG
>The land between EHG and CHG is the Pontic Steppe
>both of the groups migrate to the area
>learn how to ride a horse
>conquer everybody around them and spread their R1 y-DNA throughout Eurasia

I hope I didn't forget anything.

>>3286983

You're overrating the importance of IJ.

European C is the Aurignacian one. IJ is Gravettian.

>>3286706
Yamnaya and WHG were completely different genetically you buffoon

>>3286706
What about the Basque and the Celts? Their language aren't even IE

>>3286983
>their haplogroup is R at this point btw.
Judging by the distribution of basal P and various K clades,R most likely has a ENA origin.

Furthermore,Mal'ta boy can be modeled as 17% ENA from the East Asian branch.
https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/34/4/889/2838774/A-Working-Model-of-the-Deep-Relationships-of

>>3287242
Celtic is IE

>>3286680
They were all R1a, just like Andronovo, Sintashta and Tarim mummies.
>>3286676
Bs.

>>3286701
>>3286703
But that's wrong, see >>3286699
How come Balts and Slavs are more Yamna than French or Brits?

Memes after memes.

Scandinavians were germanics that migrated north

>>3288439
>How come Balts and Slavs are more Yamna than French or Brit

They aren't since they aren't R1b

Is this a Persia is white thread?

>>3288630
And yet the study says they are >>3286699

>>3288641

Same as for the I1 larper

As a R1a who/where was your ancestor 6000 years ago ?
He was a Neolithic European speaking a Pre Indo-European language, he was in the Baltic.

As a R1b who/where was my ancestor 6000 years ago ?
He was a Proto Indo-European speaking Proto Indo-European, he was in Ukraine.

>>3288649
You ignore the study because it doesn't fit your autistic ideology.
Scandis, Balts and Slavs are more Yamna than West Europeans.

>>3288657
Western Europeans are the actual descents of Proto Indo-Europeans

If we have more foreign admixture it is because we fucked your women

But it doesn't matters cause Y-DNA attest that we are Indo-Europeans.

>>3288668
On how many layers of larping and stupidity are you?

>>3288668
This is stupid. Exceedingly stupid.

>>3288673
Pic related >>3286123


Yamnaya and Afanasevo people were R1b and we are their direct descents


You are the descents of I/R1a Indo-Europeanized Native, you are like niggers that LARP as Hebrews

>>3288673
>>3288675
By the way

R1ancilla were ruled by a R1b nobility like the Piast and the Romanov

>>3288680
>Yamnaya and Afanasevo people were R1b and we are their direct descents
>direct
Keep ignoring this paper.
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2015/01/a-little-more-teasing-half-of-our.html

>>3288690
>Piast
Not confirmed yet. For all we know, they might've been R1b-V88.

>>3288680
You're just anatolians at this point.

>>3288710
>This level of denial

It is know that Poland was settled by Gaullish tribes like the Lugii, the Semnones, and so on

It will be most likely R1b-P312

>>3288730
lol

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>>3288738
Butthurt ?

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>>3288755
Too small

>>3286680
Scythians and Sarmatians were R1a and G, Early Germanics were R1a and I1, Ancient Macedonians were R1a, R1b, E3b, J1, J2, G2a...

>>3288690
Romanovs were R1b only after Peter III because he was a son of Holsteiner duke.

And Piasts might have been Viking immigrants just like Rurikovichs, or Samo's descendants, we don't know even their subclade.

>>3288668
>If we have more foreign admixture it is because we fucked your women
More the other way around because Slavs, Balts and Scandis have higher Yamna admixture... And R1a CWC was almost 80% Yamna admixed...

>>3289095

There was R1b(U106) in Corded Ware Sweden and Estonia(not U106 but can't remember what)

>>3289172
Wow, two versus dozens of R1a samples, rly made me think. And all of those CWC R1a men had also high steppe admixture like the man from Olsund.

>>3289186

Why are you so obsessed with the Olsund guy?
The paper says his ancestors probably came from Finland or the Baltic countries and not via Germany like southern Scandinavian CW so having slightly more steppe makes sense.

The oldest CW specimen from Latvia is 100% Yamna.

>>3288668
Western Europeans are more related to black Africans and sand niggers than to PIEs.

>>3289239
>The oldest CW specimen from Latvia is 100% Yamna.
And what was his y-DNA?

>>3289253
>Western Europeans have less negroid dmixture than you do, Slavniggers
What the fuck is this autistic bullshit? Also Northern Slavs have the same IQ as Germans.
>inb4 Lynn study where Poland has 96.
It's outdated, newer studies show that Poland has 99 at least.

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>>3289253
t. literal organutan

>>3289254

LN1 was female

http://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(16)31542-1


And I was wrong she wasn't 100% Yamna but about 90% or whatever. Still very close.

>>3289271
I love how this admixture exists in Albania and Kosovo but is absent in Serbia.

Hahahaha BTFO.

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>>3289264
>What the fuck is this autistic bullshit?

K15 Eurogenes (pic related)


>Also Northern Slavs have the same IQ as Germans
>It's outdated, newer studies show that Poland has 99 at least.
This is what bydlos actually believe

>>3285518

What are the brown stripes suppose to represent?

>>3289271
>Eupedia
Into the trash it goes

>>3289318
Nice damage control Jamal.

>>3289314
Your pic proves the exact opposite you literal nigger, as in the French and the Iberians having the highest admixture of nigger blood.

>>3289331
Nope

French have 0 to 0.07 SSA while Poleniggers have 0.08 to 0.24 SSA


You're disgusting negroes that should be put to death

>>3289314
>South Poland with higher percentage of dark eyes has 0,08
>While Poland itself has "0,24"
This bullshit makes no sence.

>>3289338
>thinks I'm Polish
Nice try Anglo nigger.

>>3289339
Also LOL SWEDEN HAS 0.28? This chart is retarded as fuck.

>>3289339
South Poles are Celto-Germanic and obviously would never racemix unlike Sl*ves

>>3289345
Not my fault is the Swedes are racemixers, it most likely comes from their R1a part

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>>3288755
>>3288758
>>3289172
>>3289314
>>3289338
>>3289355
kill yourself you larping imbecile

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>>3289369
3/6
Average score.

>>3289314
>Swedish
>0.28
Did they count Cro-Magnon genes as "Sub-Saharan" or something?

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>>3289380
>>3289355
>Not my fault is the Swedes are racemixers, it most likely comes from their R1a part
really made me think

>>3289381
Don't let their blond hair foul you, Early Germanic were depigmented Africans.

It is thanks to the Indo-Europeans that they look Caucasian.

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>>3289381
>>3289400

forgot the pic

>>3289404
Alright, so they count Cro-Magnon genes as "Sub-Saharan". Mystery solved!

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>>3289404
>>3289400
how's r1b france doing these days?

>>3289411
>Sub-Saharan
>Northwest African
>Paleo African
>Cro-Magnon

Pick one

>>3289411

No they don't. It's errors in the data which cause it.

>>3289418
Better than R1a Russia desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfKq57aBqac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL9HNU4U_Ak

>>3289434
Unlike France, Russia was always multi-ethnic.

>>3286233
And europoors have a tendency to spaz out and shitpost at people who dare imply their entire genetic admixture originated from europe in the past 6000 years.

>>3289418
Why are there so many black people in Paris? Where are all the French people?

>>3289440


Your country started as a 100% Slavic tribal confederation then (((Peter the Great))) fucked you like the (((Revolution))) fucked us

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>>3289444
>Why are there so many black people in Paris?
The weak should fear the strong. R1b are weak feminine bitches.


>Hereditary hemochromatosis, it’s what killed Hemingway! Hemochromatosis is the most common genetic killer in America, particularly prevalent in people of Celtic origin,
Weak and fragile, bitches wanting to be fucked and degraded.

> Where are all the French people?
Spreading the legs of their women for superior Arab and Black men.

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>>3289444
The native French are blacks. But no seriously, normal French people don't look very white. Look at this shit, I've seen Sicilians who are less shitskinned.

>>3289450
Russia literally started out as Slavs and Finns banding together and inviting Norsemen to rule over them. It's always been multi-ethnic, even if they didn't have niggers and Arabs (like France).

>>3289450
>Your country started as a 100% Slavic tribal confederation
Congratulations on the thoughtful detuction, you sub-90 IQ monkey. How did you figure that out?
Protip: every country was a tribal confederation at first.
>(((Peter the Great))) fucked you
He made Russia a superpower. His dynasty was of Danish/German origin anyway, not French. They slavicized themselves and took power after the Times of Troubles.

>>3289451
>Arab

A lot of them are inbred as fuck Anon, I saw some literal mutants when I was in the sandbox

>>3289452
So they're just naturally swarthy? Sort of like the Italians?

>>3289460
deduction*
>>3289456
Exactly. Russia was always multi-ethnic and multi-cultural. There couldn't be any other way.

>>3289452
>>3289451
Poleniggers are weak cuck and will be added in our R1b Caliphate , mashallah

>>3289456
>implying

You have Arab rape babies like Chechens, and Central Asians

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>>3289469
>Chechens, and Central Asians
Both still significantly whiter than native French.

>>3289469
>I-iwas only pretending that I'm a fucking retard guis, I swear
Stop shitposting all day about things you have no idea about.
Do something productive instead. Do you fucking think your "le ebin glorious R1b ancestors" would sit on their ass 24/7 on a fucking computer and shitpost about something? If you won't have children, you don't raise them then your shitty line dies with you.
Soon, France will be majority E, J and whatever the fuck else is there.

Now stfu you underage skinny faggot.

>>3289478
>Both still significantly whiter than native French.
If it can make you less insecure about becoming a Checheno-Asian Caliphate, kek

>>3289478

Northern French are Germanic

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>>3289498
t. butthurt Polenegroe shifting between /int/, /pol/, and /his/

>>3289501
Normands? Too polluted by the Frog gene to be considered true Germanics.

>>3289505
>that projection in retaliation to getting obliterated with truth
Prove me wrong, you insecure skinny twat.

>>3289505
Based Poles

>>3289507

Franks were 100% German

>>3289530
fuck off, krautnigger
franks were 100% White and Based

>>3289537
Germans are whiter than French.

>>3289530
>were
Key word.

>>3289511
>Stop shitposting all day about things you have no idea about.
Actually false

I comes on 4chan around after noon/dusk

>Do something productive instead
Falso too
i'm employed unlike Polenegroes unlike lazy Sl*ves


>Do you fucking think your "le ebin glorious R1b ancestors" would sit on their ass 24/7 on a fucking computer and shitpost about something?

See my first answer

> If you won't have children, you don't raise them then your shitty line dies with you.

Having children requieres a signifiant ammout of money, and there is huge a chance that they turn into degenerate leftist without a necessary ammount of control

I do plan to have children, but i need first to have my own house as well as a signifiant income to pay a mail order bride


>Soon, France will be majority E, J and whatever the fuck else is there.
False too

Your starting premise is that the wellfare system will still be operantional and allow shitskins to produce 4-6 like they do until they are 50% of the population which is false

The wellfare system is already crumbling in department where the shitskins are 30-40% like Seine St Denis

>Now stfu you underage skinny faggot.
shut up fatty

>>3289542
>and allow shitskins to produce 4-6
and allow shitskins to produce 4-6 children*

>in department

in departments*

>>3289542
>still projecting so hard
Do you really need some nationality/race to form your laughable and primitive arguments?
Have you actually read any of your own posts, like ever?

France getting swarmed with Algerians and other Africans, no matter if North or Central is a fact. No matter how hard you deny that.
French people are hardly nationalistic and your leader is a literal Merkel puppet. You're done for, no amount of useless and pointless shitposting will change that.

But go on, feed your insecure and little ego by insults and whie trash behaviour. You're worthless, small and so little, no one would even cry if you died. Nothing would change.

>>3289505
>French send them to some island far away instead of a promised fight in Europe
>wonder why Poles went butthurt and joined niggers

>>3289539

Northern French cluster with Germans
One people, two languages.

>>3289566
>projecting
Your country is Merkel's puppet not mine

>France getting swarmed with Algerians and other Africans, no matter if North or Central is a fact. No matter how hard you deny that.

Your country is flood by Ukrainians that celebrate the genocide of the Pooles done by Bandera

As for whose country is the best between post-communist Poland and first world power France, the answer is obvious :)

>But go on, feed your insecure and little ego by insults and whie trash behaviour. You're worthless, small and so little, no one would even cry if you died. Nothing would change.
An accurate description of the Poles, you can go clean my toilets now, Sarmatian wewuzzer :)

>>3289610
>still projecting hard as fuck
What the fuck is with you and Poland, like seriously? Did some Pole rape your grandmother during liberation of France or something?

>>3289610
>Your country is Merkel's puppet not mine
Are you on drugs? Macron is a literal Merkel's puppet while Polish government is the most illoyal to g*rmans in the whole EU together with Hungary.

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>>3289618
>Poles fucking French women
It is the other way around kek

>Poland, poles, poland, polish, poles, polacks, poles, this that and this and that
Was it autism?

>>3289628
Some polack correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she use him to get the job in France and send the money to her family in Poland?

>>3289633
I bet he has wet dreams about getting cucked by a polack plumber LOL.

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>>3289530
>Franks were 100% German


Nope

They were Pannonians, and so are their French descents

Germans were the side characters that we conquered under our kings Clovis and Charlemagne .

>>3289633

Personally I talk about Slavs not Poles because Poles are just an uninteresting subset of Slavs.

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>>3289622
Macron don't care about (((Angela Kasner))) and her giant refugee camp

He is the boss and he is one who tell her what to do

>>3289698
France is German vassal state. Thing that hasn't changed since Franco-Prussian war. French economy is tied to German one in every possible way.

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>>3289725
Then why are Germans bitching about Jupiter putting French interest above those of the EU

We're taking over the EU and there is nothing Germans can do about it.

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>>3289725
>Thing that hasn't changed since Franco-Prussian war

Holy shit your delusional

Since 1800' we decide How/Who rules the Germans

>>3289754
>Holy shit your delusional
Says the guy obsessed about entire country and its population because some guy pissed you off.

>>3290020
>implying i really hate the Germans
I don't hate Germans, but i do dislike them. I only hate the Anglos and their rape babies (Americans, Canadians, Australians)

>>3286513
>He

Did you just asumed xe pronouns?

>>>/pol/

>>3285242
you seem like a really fun person to be around

bump for the french guy that made himself look like an idiot

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>>3293331
Bump to humiliate a bit more


So let's repeat again : Yamnaya and Afanasevo were both R1b, like their Wester EUropeans descendants


R1ancilla andI1sect are INDO-EUROPEANIZ'D Natives

I REPEAT SLAVS AND NORDS AREN'T INDO-EUROPEANS BUT LANGUAGE-SHIFFTING KEKS

>>3293564

What about Khvalynsk culture then?

>>3285518

The three samples on the right are Proto-Indo-Europeans with R1a, R1b and Q. The first two had a high role in society and the Q man was a slave.

>>3285235
scandinavians descend from one of the earliest europeans, they settle in yugoslavia and when the ica age was over migrated north;

For example southern corats, bosnians and northern albanians still have the original haplo.

>>3293577
>R1a, R1b and Q. The first two had a high role in society and the Q man was a slave.
Amerihuns BTFO.

>>3293577
This. Khvalynsk is a better candidate than Yamna proper, which was probably late IE culture.

>>3293577
>Khvalynsk culture
R1b with a bit of R1a, and Samara culture who preceed it was exclusively R1b

>>3293588
>and Samara culture who preceed it was exclusively R1b
And how many samples do we have from Samara?

>>3293591
>muh samples
We only need samples from the high class to know from which haplogroup originated a culture

If we don't have R1a samples in Samara it mean either that Samara people weren't R1a, or that R1a people were lower class that didn't have the chance to have good graves.

>>3293587

Not exactly. Yamna is old enough.
But the key point is that since Yamna was descended from a culture with a higher diversity in Y-DNA, some parts of it may have retained different lineages. The European steppe was genetically homogenic when Corded Ware started because they swapped women around to prevent inbreeding but that doesn't affect Y-DNA at all.

>>3293598
>high class among a bunch of stone age tribal nomads

>>3293598
I renew my question: how many samples do we have from Samara?

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>>3293564
>>3293588
>>3293598
>Abstract: The Bell Beaker Complex (BBC) was the first widely distributed archaeological phenomenon of western Europe, arising after 2800 BCE probably in Iberia and spreading to the north and east before disappearing at the latest by 1800 BCE. An open question is the extent to which the cultural elements associated with the BBC spread through movement of ideas or people. We present new genome-wide DNA data from 196 Neolithic and Bronze Age Europeans – the largest report of genome-wide data in a single study to date – and merge it with published data to form a dataset with 109 BBC individuals that provides a genomic characterization of the BBC across its geographic and temporal range. In contrast to people of the Corded Ware Complex who were partly contemporaries of the BBC in central and eastern Europe and who brought steppe ancestry into central Europe through mass migration and replacement of local populations, we show that the initial spread of the BBC into central Europe from the Iberian Peninsula was not mediated by a large-scale migration but rather through communication of ideas. However, the further spread of the BBC beyond central Europe did involve mass movement of people. Focusing on Britain, which includes 81 of our new samples in a time transect from 3900-1300 BCE, we show that the arrival of the BBC around 2400 BCE was mediated by migration from the continent: British individuals associated with Beakers are genetically indistinguishable from continental individuals associated with the same material culture and genetically nearly completely discontinuous with the previously resident population.

>The arrival of the BBC in Britain can thus be viewed as the western continuation of the massive movement of people that brought the Corded Ware Complex and steppe ancestry into central Europe a few hundred years before.

The Bell Beaker Behemoth (Olalde et al. 2017)

Also, pic rel for you.

>>3293603
You can call them "tribal leaders" if you aren't happy with "high class"

>>3293607
One but he is still R1b

>>3293619

If Bell Beaker R1b is from Corded Ware, it's probably from the far southern CW.

Still I think it's not directly connected but the product of a separate steppe migration through Romania or Hungary.

>>3293629
>The ancient Yamnaya samples are located on the "eastern" R-GG400 branch of haplogroup R1b-L23, showing that the paternal descendants of the Yamnaya still live in the Pontic steppe and that the ancient Yamnaya population was not an important source of paternal lineages in present-day West Europeans.
http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135962

>Beaker-associated individuals outside Iberia
(n=44) largely carried R1b lineages (84%), associated with the arrival of Steppe migrants in central Europe during the Late Neolithic/Early Bronze Age2, . For individuals in whom we
could determine the R1b subtype (n=22), we found that all but one had the derived allele for the
>R1b-S116/P312 polymorphism, which defines the dominant subtype in western Europe today40
>Finding this early predominance of the R1b-S116/P312 polymorphism in ancient individuals
from central and northwestern Europe suggests that people associated with the Beaker Complex
may have had an important role in the dissemination of this lineage throughout most of its
present-day distribution.
http://research-information.bristol.ac.uk/files/112769979/Olalde_et_al._2017_Nature_BellBeaker.pdf

You shouldn't really be talking about any of it.

>>3293648

I guess we'll know if it's Yamna->CW->Central Europe or Yamna->Central Europe by next year

>>3290348
>>>/pol/

>>3293623
>One
Exactly! Just one! Now imagine if we tested one random Englishman and we would find out that he is I1, would this mean that 100% of the Englishmen have y-DNA I1?

>>3293656
Ottoman empire->Syrian state+Turkey->2030 Germany

>>3293669

It's pretty clear that someone is a little butthurt

>>3293679
Yes, you. Which was pretty evident for anyone that has seen your previous posts.

>French are Franks
>French are Trojans
>French are actually ancient Hungarians
>French are actually J, Anatolian folk. Franks were J
>Germans are French
>French are actually Alans(bear in mind they were R1a)
>We wuz R1b Yamna, Aryan masterrace, Fuck R1a Indo-Europeanized savages
I wonder what will you larp as next week.

>>3293687

Not him. I'm >>3293577

You're just as bad if not worse when it comes to ignoring the science.

>>3293691
My posts are >>3293619
>>3293648

>>3293706

So are you or are you not trying to argue that P312 is steppe?

It's hard to tell since you're just copypasting and not saying anything.

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>>3293687
>French are Franks
>French are actually J, Anatolian folk. Franks were J
>French are actually ancient Hungarians
Which is true Franks were J, G, and R1b

>French are Trojans
French are related to J2 people from the Bronze Age (1100 BC), just around the Fall of Troy

>French are actually Alans
Only Orléanais people

>(bear in mind they were R1a)
False, they were G and R1b

>We wuz R1b Yamna, Aryan masterrace, Fuck R1a Indo-Europeanized savages
This is true too

>>3293718
And yet you have no evidence for the whole "R1b is more IE than R1a" In fact, those studies >>3293619
>>3293648
say that R1b in Western Europe isn't of Yamna origin.

>>3293723

You're ignoring that R1a of the CW type or any other one has never been found in Yamna either.

Try to comprehend that the cultural and genetic horizon extended deep into places we have no data from, not just the Caspian shoreline.
Both CW R1a and BB R1b can easily be Yamna. Their autosomal DNA strongly suggests this is the case.

>>3293687
>>3293718
>>3293718

To be more accurate


Trojans, Franks, Ancient Hungarians, J Anatolian Folk are all the same people, you're just trying to make it sounds like i claim thousands of different peoples


J2/R1b/G Trojans migrated into Francochorium in Pannonia, then they turned into "Franks", then they migrated into Gaul as described in the Liber Historiae Francorum and proved by DNA.

As for the Alans i never said that French as whole were Alans, i said that Orléanais people whose country was settled by Alans were.

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Genetics threads are the threads where I am most certain that literally nobody posting these threads has any clue what they're talking about.

>>3293743

It's not really a genetics thread. This isn't about the Hardy-Weinberg principle or anything.

It's about anthropology and human migrations. Genetic studies are just a way to shed light on the subject.

>>3285235
Is the out of india theory still a thing?

>>3294154
Nah, it's just a curry nationalists' masturbation fantasy.

>>3289645
poles and russians were the most proeminent slavs in history tho