How would the USSR have fared if Trotsky had taken power instead of Stalin?
In The Revolution Betrayed he talks about how Stalin degenerated and helped bureaucratize the party and how he (and the rest of the "left opposition") basically predicted the problems with the NEP, individual farms, and then forced collectivization/dekulakization and would have prevented them. Is he right? Would the USSR really have been better off economically and socially if he'd taken power after Lenin's death?
Also is "permanent revolution" a meme idea or not?
>>3271812
Trotsky was a retard who deserved what he got. He would have destroyed the Soviet Union
Allied troops in moscow after the soviet union backs dozens of failed revolutions across the world.
>>3271812
>How would the USSR have fared if Trotsky had taken power instead of Stalin?
Stop reposting this thread and google what "World Revolution" stands for.
>>3271812
Trotski was an ass-hole just like Stalin. But he was a military leader and not a bureaucrat. Economically an socially it would have made no difference. But he might have focused on strengthening the Red Army. WWII might have been shorter and ended with all of Germany under Soviet rule. But this is pure speculation. You really don't know.
communism is nothing else than russian nationalism in a red coat, muscovite partymembers eradicated every other branch of communists, because they wanted one thing, the interest of Russia to be the first
doesnt matter whats the name, the intentions are all the same
>>3272285
But Stalin was Georgian
>>3271847
Plus: I don't know why so many think that Trotsky would've been the "humane" alternative to Stalin; Trotsky hated kulaks more than Stalin, and Trotsky only plugged for more party democracy when his faction was in the minority.
>>3271833
fpbp
I think he would have been too expansionst and WWII would have been an alliance of libreal and fascist countries against the soviets.
>>3271812
>Still believing trotsky was assassinated in 1940
>>3272405
But if he had managed to eventually break through Poland and reach Germany to assist the revolutionaries there, Nazi Germany might never have happened.
Interesting scenario to be desu.
>>3272285
>Russian nationalists
>created Ukraine and Belarus
Really makes you think.
>>3271812
>How would the USSR have failed if Trotsky had taken power instead of Stalin
fixed that sentence for you
Allies enter shaky alliance with G*rmans when Trotsky breaks one too many agreements
>>3272797
ace in the hole
>>3271812
>Would the USSR really have been better off economically and socially if he'd taken power after Lenin's death?
Wasn't his idea to simply start invading Europe because he didn't think socialism could be built in Russia without the wealth of Western Europe?
well the thing is that Stalin was a paranoid megalomaniac who murdered all who opposed him. Trotsky on the other hand was a die hard ideologue who was perfectly willing to kill all who opposed communism, his subjugation of the ukranian free territories and menshevik georgia being key examples. their economic ideas were essentially the same, Stalin having pretty much directly ripped off Trotsky's economic ideas after coming to power.
it is conceivable that trotsky might not have perpetuated quite the level of suffering stalin did, but there would still have been camps and secret police. trotsky was already pretty handy at crushing uppity ukranians and certainly no less willing to ignore massive failures in agricultural policy, so i cant see trotsky being significantly better than stalin in terms of internal policy.
externally instead of essentially total isolation trotsky would have been funding communists everywhere which would have gone one of three ways, either a series of revolutions in europe during the great depression leading to red europe, a couple of revolutions leading to WW2 being allies+axis vs the internationale, or just everyone ganging up on the soviets and bumfucking russia.
overall it might have been a tad more interesting than stalin cult-of-personality based rule, but probably not 'better' to any significant degree, unless the whole red europe thing happened and you're a massive trot
>>3272656
Even if they beat Poland realistically they probably couldn't have overthrown Weimar Germany. Russias supply lines would be stretched to the limit. Most of the hardcore revolutionaries were dead after the spartacus revolt and the rest probably wouldn't be thrilled about having a Russian overlord. Adding to this Germany still had a bunch of vets around from WWI.
>>3272628
Link the source of this disgusting mass shooter pls.