Is there any reason to for an infertile man to live? I'm

>>3267392
War

>>3267392
Adopt

Every time people say they feel an actual physical urge to reproduce I feel inadequate.
Why do I lack it?

>>3267392
>tfw still fertile
>will never reproduce because I'm unable to seduce women
At least I still have my hobbies, huh?
But, God, I want kids. It's that fatherhood manga, man.

>>3267404
>raising another man's kid

>>3267404
I could never raise another man's kids. It's just not in my nature :(

>>3267392
Be thankful you're not a breeder scum

>>3267392
Do it and give to Satan my regards fag

>>3267392
Do you have a distant relative you can adopt? My uncle did that for some second or third cousin after that kid's father died.

>>3267392
Become a priest or adopt

>>3267472
God must already hate me for making my life such a living Hell. Surely he would understand my suffering, right?
>>3267473
>>3267480
My mind has this awful problem where it's so fucking set on the kid being mine that I just can't get past it. I wish someone could hypnotize me into being fine with it.

>>3267392
Kill yourself anyway. How is this at all history related? Or humanities?

>>3267482
>Such a living hell
Do you have a home to live in?

>>3267482
You might have brain problems, m8. Go and speak to a therapist about this because I think you have masculinity problems

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>>3267392

>>3267496
The purpose life, or lack thereof, is a part of humanities.

>>3267503
So open up a JSTOR article on this.

I don't know what to tell you. That's a shit situation.

>>3267392
You can cum inside all you want. Lucky bastard

>>3267482
It's perfectly fine to only want kids of your own. Adoption is a meme. Blood is everything.

>>3267588
What woman would want a man who can't give her children?

>>3267872
a slut

>>3267872
Hedonists

>>3267877
>>3267887
I guess that pretty much settles it then. Thanks guys, you gave me a ton of information, laughter, and good times on this board. I hope you all achieve what's important to you in life.

>>3267392
Fucking go give food to kids in Syria, adopt some yadizi kid that lost it's parents. If you like history continue yazidi sounds like a cool tradition.

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>>3267392
Make good art faggot
Do science
Do justice
Build things
Invent
Wanton hedonism

Come on, have some perspective and some imagination with it. And besides, your children would have come to hate you anyway, just as you would resent them.

>>3268289
Art is really the only thing that I can imagine doing to keep from killing myself. At least then I'll have some sort of legacy.

>>3267482
>I wish someone could hypnotize me into being fine with it.

start watching cuck porn

>>3267392
What gave you the impression fertility is so important in the first place?

>>3267392
>>3267482
>>3269127
Children are unbearable; I don't really see why you're so sad. All they can really do for their first few years is shit and cry; sure they develop from there, but they're still completely dependent on you. You're practically their slave - 18 years of spending all your time caring for them, followed by spending a fortune on their college education. Kids are the goddamn worst and I certainly won't be having any in my life.

>>3267392
>my whole life must revolve around procreation and my ability to procreate

I pity people who have been trapped by the cycle of re-birth and death. People who cannot see any other objectives as equally if not more important than procreation. People who devote their entire life around procreation and make every decision based on that no matter the consequences. I truly pity people who do not have a mind big enough to understand the complex nature of humanity.

>>3267401
War never changes

>>3267392
As a guy who doesn't plan on getting married or having children:

Wtf are you even talking about?

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>>3267401
>fpbp
There's two purposes for men. To bring new life into the world and to remove it.

Go make war OP. Don't concern yourself with politics or causes or beliefs, find someone that will let you bring destruction and death down on your enemy and pit your strength against theirs.

If you've truly given up, do not go gentle into that good night. Make them take it from you. Fight, scream, kill, all with abandon. Maybe you die in your first contact, maybe you survive a hundred battles, it doesn't matter either way.

War is not the answer. Rather, it is the question. And the answer is yes.

Rah, motherfucker.

>>3270074
edgy

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I really don't get it. We're all basically suburban nobodies spending out weekend on a cartoon imageboard. No one here is a Habsburg responsible for issuing the next male heir to the imperial throne. History is really not going to give a fuck if Andy Anonington from Anonville, Iowa has a kid or not.

>>3267499
Maybe this guy is right. You all seem to be absurdly self-important, even for anonymous 4chan users.

>>3267392
Join the military, learn how to make bombs, proceed to bomb muslim communities in the west after you get out. Shoot for 10 muslims for every 1 european killed in terrorist attacks.

>>3267392
Infertile men should provide for women so they can have kids with any men they choose and not have to worry about money.

>>3267392
>I'm thinking I might kill myself. Having children was my only dream in life.
Go for it.

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>>3270142
Not at all. If OP has given up on life why not experience the most intense, primal experience he can? Why end your life meekly when you can truly learn what it means to feel alive?

I've been in combat. I hope I never, ever have to be in it again. But there's an allure, a call that beckons from my memory. You'll never realize how good a cigarette is until you smoke one after a firefight. I'll never have a better meal than the one I had after we got bogged down and sporadically attacked for 10 hours. I've never slept as well as I did after we fought our way through a kilometer long ambush between two mountains. The way you feel in combat, the adrenaline, the rage, the terror, it's indescribable and impossible to replicate.

So why wouldn't OP go and experience that? Perhaps he'd gain a new respect for life, or realize be doesn't actually want to die after all. It's an experience that is still unique, and witnessing naked violence will teach you what kind of man you truly are.

I wouldn't want to die without having been through it.

>>3270192
edgy

>>3270192
I'm also a 17 year old who pretends to be a Vietnam veteran on the internet. We should totally hang out some time.

>>3270195
Shouldn't you be getting your stuff ready for school?
>>3270203
>Vietnam is the only war that's happened in recent history
I'm only 12 years older than you, nutsack, I'm talking about Iraq and Afghanistan, respectively.

>>3270212
I killed over 10 000 Korean cyberknights with my bare hands during the Hyperwar. Come at me bitch.

>>3270212

Those "wars" were hardly the Battle of Stalinrad

>>3270220
I killed 9 navy SEALS with my bare hands, I do what I want
>>3270221
>muh NOT A REAL WAR
And? I still shot people, and people around me got shot/blown up. It sucked. I got blown up 3 times, and have the short term memory loss to prove it. But there's still a primal call to it. Thats the point I'm making.

>>3270233

Thank you for your service

Hope I'm not there for your shooting spree

>>3270233
>I killed 9 navy SEALS with my bare hands, I do what I want
And how the fuck did that help OP have a son, anon? You're missing the point of this thread.

>>3270242
Eh, I like donuts and vidya too much to do all that. I just occasionally put holes in paper from far away now. Found a store that sells small plaster columns for cheap, those are fun.
>>3270247
He's not going to have a son, and if he's going to throw his life away he shouldn't do it cheaply.
Also
>South Park joke.

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>>3270247
>/b/-tier "waaahhh im gunna kill myself guis" thread
>surprised when people shitpost

>>3267392
>>3270149
Underrated post. No one cares OP. The World has enough people and if you passing on your genes is not going to make a difference one way or another.

If you really want to have a legacy, adopt. Just because he (or she) isn't your blood, doesn't mean you can't pass on your values and teach them to be good people.

And isn't that enough?

>>3270321
Don't listen to this.

>>3270074
>>3270192
You're really making me think. What's the best way to get thrown to the frontline?

>>3270150
This.

>>3267392
War,
If that isn't a option, just remember you are star dust. And you will return to dust in due time.

>>3267392
To sum up what a good number of other people are trying to tell you here OP... You are capable of contributing to the human race in more ways than just having kids. But if having children is the only ambition you ever had then you've got another problem entirely and you're a waste.

If you don't want to be a waste then get on with life and contribute value of some sort, the things you do in life will ripple forward and influence other people around you, even well after you're dead. Those contributions will probably be small, unappreciated, and have consequences you'll never understand or be thanked for, but those contributions will matter nonetheless. Plenty of philosophers and scientists never had children but the things they accomplished still have effects that outlived them, and isn't that a kind of reproduction in itself?

Don't kill yourself, do something with your life.

Kys

>>3267445
Kill yourself then

>>3267437
Just b yourself!

>>3267392
Honestly, just kill yourself. If you can't conceive of a satisfactory life beyond spawning new genetic offshoots and attaching your self-worth to the idea that they'll carry on your legacy after you waste decades on cleaning up after their literal shit and mistakes and indoctrinating them with your memes, then you might as well just put yourself out of your misery now.

Embrace antinatalism and adopt a kid, why bring one to suffer anyway when there are plenty who have already had that choice made for them

>>3267392
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lieJIxJZs1M

>>3267392
Can't you get a treatment on infertility?

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>>3267392
>>3267445
>>3267482
>>3267902
>The only ambition OP has ever had was to fulfill an animal instinct

I think you were right in the first place. It would probably be for the best if you slit your wrists.

>>3270074
A SOLDIER

>>3275584
I have primary hypogonadism. My semineferous tubes are probably damaged and there's no way to fix them :(
They would have to cut my testicle open and get the sperm that way. And it's not guaranteed to work. I might try another sperm test before I do it just to make sure.

I would adopt really, better then killing yourself.

>>3275676
Nothing to lose I suppose.

>>3267392

Is there any reason to for an infertile woman to live? I'm thinking I might kill myself. Having children was my only dream in life.

Science will find a way

>>3267404
Adoption is only if you need an organ in the future or a servant.

>>3267416
Autism

>>3267392
In the approximate future you can just use skin cells

>>3278142
How far away is that? I'm 18 right now and it probably won't be in my lifetime. Is it really a possibility?

>>3267416
Because you're an evolutionary failure.

>>3276652
Plenty of reasons to live, it's just more of a loss from a reproductive standpoint. Women are more valuable in men in that regard.

>>3279690
This, OP. You are damaged goods, an evolutionary dead end, almost as bad as a homosexual. If I had a wife and she didn't tell me she was barren until after we got married, I'd get a fucking divorce.

>>3279116
How do you know you're infertile? What caused it?

>>3267392
You or anybody else don't need children. This planet has too much people as it is.

>>3279704
He wasn't talking to me but thanks...

>>3279746
This is a meme, at least in any developed country. We need to focus on getting Africa and India to have less children, not anyone in the first world.
You're not going to get replaced by a starving African, you're going to replaced by a Mexican or an Arab who is far wealthier than that African could ever dream of.

If you have a wife and you have one child, that's half the number of future people.

>>3279746
The planet's human carrying capacity is estimated to be about 10 Billion, we've still got a ways to go.

>>3279724
It's idiopathic since I've never had any of the conditions typically associated with this. I took a sperm test and it showed up as being under 15mill per ml. That combined with having small testicles is usually an indication of non-obstructive azoospermia(no sperm in the ejaculate). My testosterone levels are actually extremely high, so this means it can't be secondary hypogonadism. This most likely indicates that I have primary hypogonadism, which is essentially permanent. I'm gonna try to go to an endocrinologist and get an exact count, just to be sure, but I already know I'm fucked. I came here to see if anyone knew any deeper reasons for living. And I'm incredibly grateful for all the responses, good and bad.

>>3279788
Infertile is not the same as sterile, meaning you can have children, but it'll be difficult. IIRC, infertile means you've been unable to fertilize an egg after a year of trying.

Speak to a urologist as well. With the advances in medical technology, I'm sure within a decade or two there'll be more options to help you.

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>>3267443
>>3267445
>>3278114
There is literally nothing wrong with raising another man's child.

What we pass on are our shared values, our shared history, our shared identity, both as families and as nations. Whether it is your own child's life or someone else's, what you are doing by adopting them is giving them a reason to carry on your name and legacy after you're dead and gone. The tribe is more important and enduring than the individual.

Your genes will pass along just fine in your siblings and cousins. You are not the sole inheritor of some detached privilege of genetics, you're just another tiny branch on a gigantic tree..

Pic related: your messiah was raised by a man whom God "cucked", but do you really think that anybody in his community actually believed that Joseph was cucked by God, and not some random legionary or something? Joseph was well within his rights to annul the marriage and force Mary into the life of an impoverished prostitute for being pregnant with a child not from "his line" but he decided to raise him anyway, and this has been a keystone value in the Christian/western ethical tradition.

>>3279806
I'll try to go to either an endocrinologist or urologist to find out if I'm completely sterile. I hope you're right about future advances in medical technology. Thank you for your words anon.
>>3279877
I've always seen Joseph as a sort of tragic character but I think you make a good point. My genes are pretty shitty anyway. I guess I just wanted to kick the can down the road and hope that my kids could at least somewhat justify my meaningless existence.

>>3279888

No problem. My cousin had a really hard time conceiving a child; he had some sort of structural abnormality as a child, which may very well have been the cause of his infertility, but after years of IVF, he and his wife finally had their first child. Don't give up.

>>3267443
what the fuck else do you expect him to do? literally no other choice, and honorable because of it

>>3279900
I'd be willing to bet that he had cryptorchidism. That's one of the more common structural problems that can mess your equipment up. I'm glad everything worked out for him. Thanks again.

>>3279877
the best way to adopt is at birth. this may sound coldhearted, but because of the types of people that lose custody of their children, these kids can often be a real struggle to raise and although i want these kids to find a good home I admittedly from selfish reasons don't want to be the one to do it.

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>>3279888
>hope that my kids could at least somewhat justify my meaningless existence.
It's only meaningless because you haven't found a reason to give it meaning. If you bring a child into the world, you'll still be experiencing existential angst, only now you've got a toddler screaming at you because he's inheriting your personal demons and doesn't like it.

Don't be in a rush to justify your existence, just try to find reasons to enjoy and appreciate life. That kind of angst goes away as men mature and settle down.

>>3279921
The problem is mostly related to shitty, dysfunctional adoption laws.

And some people think in terms of twice the work for triple the pay off. Imagine how it would feel if you were able to turn Jamal off the streets into an honest, productive citizen, instead of the thug with no future that he would have been had he not had your firm hand of discipline keeping his punk ass in line.

This is often a justification for why people voluntarily raise their autistic children: you never have to worry about your autistic child being a sneaky little shit getting into trouble. They stay pure and childlike.

>>3267392
Have the Chinese make a clone of you and raise it as a son.

>>3280237
Don't they need sperm? I would really do this. Is it actually possible?

>>3280237
You seriously just gave me hope. The fact that this is even possible blows my mind.

>>3280383
>>3280405

If your infertile rather than sterile as the other anon suggests and IVF doesn't work out, cloning your sperm and having children that way is likely to be possible in the reasonably near future.

SCNT don't require sperm. Although currently, it's probably impossible to create a healthy human clone this way, but who knows what breakthroughs the future holds.

Do keep in mind though that I only have very surface level knowledge on the subject so you should probably take whats said above with a grain of salt.

Good luck anon!

Hans Christian Andersen never had children, he died a virgin at age 70. He was still considered one of the greatest authors of stories for children from his era.

>>3279877
Plus considering his real dad was never there, Jesus saw Joseph as his dad for most of his life.

Tbh the ideal level of human population for Earth would be less than 200 million.

>>3280456
Holy shit. Cloning sperm? I've never even considered this. This actually sounds like something that could be achieved in my lifetime. Thank you thank you thank you. Even though nothing is guaranteed, it makes a world of difference to at least have something to be hopeful for.

>>3279788
>>3280495
Why go as far as to clone sperm when in vitro should help against low sperm count?

>>3281137
So that evolutionary dead ends can continue to taint the genepool.

>>3279788
If you have normal testosterone levels you don't have any form of hypogonadism, visit a Doctor who knows what he's talking about.

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>>3267392
Although I fully understand the wish to have your own children, when you can't I don't see the issue of raising an adopted child.

It's just weird that people take the mindset of "it's another man's child" rather than a kid who deserves a good upbringing. I don't know, if I were infertile I'd definitely adopt. At least do one good thing in my life.

>>3281194
http://cursoenarm.net/UPTODATE/contents/mobipreview.htm?18/6/18528/contributors

Primary testicular issues typically damage the semineferous tubes (which produce sperm) to a much greater extent than the leydig cells (which produce testosterone). This means you can have normal or even high testosterone levels while still having the spermatogenesis issues that classify you as having primary hypogonadism. Secondary hypogonadism is the version where a drop in testosterone and sperm production are directly correlated.

>>3281207
Yep, this. People should think about it this way. There are children who don't get to have parents and adults that don't get to have children. In a sense, those two groups are meant for each other.

>>3281148
While I agree with you that those people are evolutionary dead ends I do think that cloning sperm is a good short term solution.

The long term solution would be genetic engineering to remove whatever genes are causing the problem, thus removing their status as dead ends.

>>3281359
Primary hipogonadism is when you have low testosterone and its consequences due to issues in the testes.
Secondary hipogonadism is when you have low testosterone and its consequences due to problems in the pituitary gland.

>>3281897
Hypogonadism describes impairment in either of the main testicular functions, spermatogenesis and testosterone production. If either is impaired, then the diagnosis of hypogonadism is made.

From the previously linked paper: "Primary hypogonadism is more likely to be associated with a decrease in sperm production than in testosterone production. Although many testicular diseases damage both the seminiferous tubules and the Leydig cells, they usually damage the seminiferous tubules to a greater degree. As a consequence, the sperm count may be low, and the serum FSH concentration normal or high, yet the serum testosterone concentration remains normal. In contrast, in secondary hypogonadism, there is a proportionate reduction in testosterone and sperm production."

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>Having children was my only dream in life.

Dude childrens are assholes and ruin your live what a stupid cunt you are op.

>>3281593
but muh cuck memes

of course you should adopt if you want kids and have no other choice because of unfortunate infertility
at least you get to pick the kid somewhat carefully - though that's a somewhat perverse process, but what can you do