Is there anything you just find jaw dropping about History?

>>3265875
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Dexter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Pujol_Garc%C3%ADa

What a high standard of living ancient romans had. They had central heating, a sewer system, sophisticated streets, foods from all over the world, huge stadiums for sports entertainment, etc., etc.. all they lacked was eletric devices and their life would pretty much look like ours do.

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I find it jaw dropping that Roman civilization started so long ago with the Latin League and continues in a completely unbroken chain to this very day.

Ancient city sanitation. Never got a good satisfactory explanation for how it all worked exactly.

>>3265875
I find it amazing just how much shit the Greeks figured out in terms of science and mathematics.

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The Christmas Truce.

Every time I hear a story about it I tear up. It's just so unbearably HUMAN, that even in the worst nights of one of the bloodiest wars ever fought, people are still people.

It proves, to me, that deep down people really don't want to fight. That even in the darkest night no one will mind if you light a candle.

>>3265901
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Dexter
>At age 50, Dexter authored A Pickle for the Knowing Ones or Plain Truth in a Homespun Dress, in which he complained about politicians, the clergy and his wife. The book contained 8,847 words and 33,864 letters, but without punctuation and seemingly random capitalization. Dexter initially handed his book out for free, but it became popular and was reprinted eight times.[2] In the second edition, Dexter added an extra page which consisted of 13 lines of punctuation marks with the instructions that readers could distribute them as they pleased.
This motherfucker...

>>3265875
>For me it's the fact that people worshiped imaginary deities and believed in an afterlife for thousands of years.
Apparently some people in remote areas of the world still do that. For example in the Sahel zone, or the Bible belt.

>>3265918
That's because they didn't, they collected everything the other med civilization already figured out and put a greek name on it.

>>3265947
[citation needed]

>>3265875
>>3265939
>>>/r/eddit

just because you have a materialist conception of the universe and place a high value of empiricism doesn't mean anyone who doesn't is a fool. I doubt you could even defend materialism/empiricism if I asked you to.

The Battle of Muret. Even taking into consideration they were running, wouldn't there be more than 8 deaths purely from self-defense?

>>3265917
>Rome conquers the shit out of all thei neightbors and their neightbors
>massive amount of slaves start working for land owners
>normal farmres are not competitive anymore
>rural exode to roman cities
>massive amount of poor (but citizens after all) people overpopulate the main metropolis of the empire
>if the emperor dont do something his gonna face a lot of rebelions
>mayority of actual population are slave with many reasons to posibly join them
>emperors builds up free sanitary systems and entertaining services in order to calm them down
>money and resources are not a problem

basically this anon

>>3265978
It's actually very easy to argue for materialism because it works.

Because I read Chemistry books, I know what will happen if I throw a bucket of gasoline into a fire. I know it will rain when I see grey clouds in the sky. I can predict the trajectory of planets with complete precision which is why there's always an eclipse when scientists say 'there will be an eclipse'. Dumb people like you might not realize it, but science is essentially making predictions and the scientific method always finds good ways to make accurate predictions. These empirically based predictions are the reason why calendars, computers, medicine, cars and the internet can work.

So how do YOU argue for immateriality?

Where would human civilization be if we disregarded every and anything material as but a creation of God? Where would we be if we were to believe some diseases are a punishment from God rather than a consequence of bacterial infection? People would still die from common cold and other mundane diseases. Where would we be if we were to believe the Earth is immobile and the center of the Universe rather than only one gear of a complex astrodynamics puzzle? We wouldn't have satellites, internet, phones, etc. Where would we be if we believed children naturally spawn in a woman's womb rather than be formed through sex? Childbirth would still be the leading cause of female deaths.

There is just no way to argue for immateriality because it's unfalsifiable by default and an immaterial world view has never been proven to work or do anything worth a damn, any particular immaterial world of view is as realistic as claiming this Universe is reigned by an upper layer of existence whereas My Little Pony characters are gods and they punish those who don't watch their show with eternal anal horse rape.

So just face it, your life has no meaning or purpose, you have no afterlife, and there is no god who cares about you.

You can lie to yourself if that makes you feel better though.

>>3265875
Pretty much everything involving death in China.

Mostly the medical shit back then. People having to go through surgery without any anesthetic and feeling everything.

>>3266131
>Where would human civilization be if we disregarded every and anything material as but a creation of God? Where would we be if we were to believe some diseases are a punishment from God rather than a consequence of bacterial infection? People would still die from common cold and other mundane diseases. Where would we be if we were to believe the Earth is immobile and the center of the Universe rather than only one gear of a complex astrodynamics puzzle? We wouldn't have satellites, internet, phones, etc. Where would we be if we believed children naturally spawn in a woman's womb rather than be formed through sex? Childbirth would still be the leading cause of female deaths.

Go back to r*ddit until after you've read a few books or go ahead and keep watching clickbait listicles about "X THING YOU WON'T BELIEVE THE B A C K W A R D S MIDDLE AGES PEOPLE DID!!!!!"

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>>3266159
This is a very good one, modern medicine is a miracle.
I had my tooth pulled out a few weeks ago, after I got some anaesthetics and the dentist started pushing it to check if I felt anything, I said I felt a bit of a sharp pain, injected some more and I literally felt nothing when he pulled it out.
Then I think what people had to experience back in medieval shit and whatnot and I sometimes am left in awe of the wonders of modern medicine

>>3266131
>There is just no way to argue for immateriality because it's unfalsifiable by default and an immaterial world view has never been proven to work or do anything worth a damn, any particular immaterial world of view is as realistic as claiming this Universe is reigned by an upper layer of existence whereas My Little Pony characters are gods and they punish those who don't watch their show with eternal anal horse rape.

>So just face it, your life has no meaning or purpose, you have no afterlife, and there is no god who cares about you.

You say that with some pessimism. I think we should actually be thankful to conclude an immaterial afterlife doesn't exist because it could be just as shitty as the my little pony afterlife you described. And we should be thankful our lives have no meaning, purpose or a higher humanoid creator looking over us.

Can you imagine if there actually was such thing? How would humanity exist knowing which god was the right one and with complete proof of his existence? It would mean billions of people are in Hell right now because they were born into the wrong religion and only a minority gets to enjoy eternal peace. It's better that life is simpler than that and much fairer that there is no afterlife. I'm relieved that this is the conclusion rather than something else.

>>3265917
you dig a tunnel underground and let water run through it.

>>3266161
Thanks for the reply.
Added to my "compilation of angry christians resort to ad hominem in internet arguments'.

>>3266184
oh, and if you mean the super sophisticated sanitation of rome, that's because they had centuries to build those up.

>>3266131
You don't seem to understand the topic being discussed at all. Predicting events empirically isn't the same as proving that empiricism is the best method for discovering the truth. What does prediction have to do with the truth?

Also, you are being very hypocritical.
>So just face it, your life has no meaning or purpose, you have no afterlife, and there is no god who cares about you.
>Where would human civilization be if we disregarded every and anything material as but a creation of God?....
>People would still die from common cold and other mundane diseases.....
You are saying that there is no meaning or purpose to life yet you are placing value on things like survival rates and proclaiming that human civilization is better now than it was back then. You are saying that the materialist worldview best fits how life should be while also saying there is no meaning. This is how confused you are.

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>>3266192
Your understanding of spirituality's role in the natural sciences during the Christian period of Europe is brainlet-tier.

Study of the environment did not conflict with the Church's agenda during the middle ages until very late, if it even did then.

>Where would we be if we were to believe some diseases are a punishment from God rather than a consequence of bacterial infection?

The prevailing medical theory during the middle ages was that of the humors governing the body, inhierited from the Greeks I believe. Google it.

>People would still die from common cold
>

>Where would we be if we were to believe the Earth is immobile and the center of the Universe rather than only one gear of a complex astrodynamics puzzle?

Just about the same spot except we were to believe the Earth is immobile and the center of the Universe

Nothing of our current astronautical achievement clashes with the idea of geocentrism. We could still hurtle satellites into orbit and create the infrastructure necessary for modern telecommunication

>Where would we be if we believed children naturally spawn in a woman's womb rather than be formed through sex?

I don't even know how you manufactured this. Knowledge of conception is old as human civilization itself.

Your misconceptions are beneath entry-tier

>>3266131
>Because I read Chemistry books, I know what will happen if I throw a bucket of gasoline into a fire. I know it will rain when I see grey clouds in the sky. I can predict the trajectory of planets with complete precision which is why there's always an eclipse when scientists say 'there will be an eclipse'. Dumb people like you might not realize it, but science is essentially making predictions and the scientific method always finds good ways to make accurate predictions. These empirically based predictions are the reason why calendars, computers, medicine, cars and the internet can work.
This is the rambling of someone who has no idea what materialism is.

>>3266184
I mean basic shit like street cleaning. Garbage pickup. Sewage transport. Piping. Aquifers. Stables for horses.

As a civil engineer for a modern city the idea of a city of 1 million people in 15 BC just boggles my mind.

>>3266161
>Where would we be if we believed children naturally spawn in a woman's womb rather than be formed through sex?
God punished a dude for pulling out during sex cause he didn't want to get a woman pregnant, fuck off with your fedora-tier knowledge of the Bible.
Genesis 38:8 if you don't believe me by the way.

>>3266248
Fuck, meant Genesis 38 in general, not that particular part.

>>3266247
As i said, the system grew over time. the big advantage rome had is its long political stability. if nobody destroys the things youre forefathers build, you can expand that and in the span of a couple of centuries you can build a very impressive empire.

>friendly discussion about history
>christians and new agers feel the urge to derail the thread into debating why their particular imaginary belief system is the right one
how typical

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>>3265875
The fact that we can something like this. No other species has EVER done this before. In all of Earth's history - biblical or scientific - humanity has never been so advanced and powerful. Our clawless, fangless, bipedal bodies managed to be the most developed species evolution/God ever spit out. We bend nature, we breed new species in lieu of nature/God, our brains carried us outside the atmosphere and the tethers of the very planet that birthed us... we are a marvel. Even now, shitposting on some dying website that the Romans would have scarified ten thousand civilizations to have it for one day, we are doing something so profoundly amazing. We are communicating using electrons bouncing off one another across vast distances to machines formed from metallic rocks that think using a code of numerals rather than biologically like we do. Fucking insane

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>>3266131
>mfw a materialist is having an autistic rant near me

>>3265901
>>3265933
If you want to read it: https://archive.org/details/pickleforknowing00dextrich

I get about eight pages in before my frontal cortex collapses

>>3266331
Yet even with all of this, the common man still persists to shitpost, as he used to.
http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%20Pompeii.htm

>>3265875
The fact that it was the US's actions that facilitated the creation of both communist China and radical Islamic States.

The two biggest problems we have in the modern world.

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>>3265906
I would say even better, wtf they had heating on their floors? we dont even have that now.

>>3266346
How is communist China a problem? The people's republic is literally the biggest poverty-destroyer in human history.

>>3265901
Thank you so much for this tip. Reading it now

>>3266184
>>3265917
>>3266095
>>3266247
>>3266290
It didn't work that well for most people desu
https://community.plu.edu/~315j06/doc/slums-sanitation.pdf

>>3266344
This to me is even more astonishing. Human behavior has changed very little in 2000 years.

2000 years ago romans were anonymously shit posting on a wall in a literal Italian grain forum.

>>3266395
also check this book out
http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=3FE7B7247D8B137B9B4938F23DB79345

>>3265909
Those minarets were a stupid addition

>>3266428
They, like my post, were put there to cause butthurt.

The fact that people still believe to this day that japanese war crimes happened.

>>3266359

Not to forget

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_concrete

>>3266428
What do you mean "addition"? they were there since the building of the mosque.

>>3266515
its only plus is weathering water much better than modern concrete, that's how it survived for so long
in terms of static strength it's completely BTFO by modern concretes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

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the creation of nuclear weapons is a jaw-dropper for me. Harnessing that massive energy, only 50 years after humanity even learnt how to fly (and lots of other stuff, the exponential rate of technological progression is astonishing). Just saying fuck it lets test it, no matter the consequences, sure they didn't actually believe they would ignite the atmosphere, but still. Than just turning something so awesome into a dick measuring contest and building bigger and bigger ones.

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>>3265875
Not really jaw-dropping, but how about the fact that humanity (men) refuse to stop making the same fucking basic, yet fatal mistakes over and over and over and over and fucking over again throughout history?

>>3266331
And every single effort is geared toward one, singular end: self-annihilation. Fascinating.

>>3266585
That's human nature for you Michel...

>>3266597
Humanity is a cancer.

I was always very interested in the fact that war isn't just a group of guys trying to kill the other group. That is the byproduct of the real purpose, which is to attain certain explicit and concrete objectives, such as taking one single city along a front that covers a lot of territory.

>>3266660

Sometimes I get horrified of the fact that actual lives are lost at war, but then my depression kicks back in. Meh.

>>3266552
Anyone have that SMBC where they build evermore powerful doomsday weapons until they destroy causality and cause the big bang?

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>>3266666
Found it.

>>3266131
If nothing has meaning or purpose, then why does it matter whether we believe everything is due to God or people die due to common cold?
If you care about these things then at the very least you are assigning meaning to them, so you contradict yourself. Not to mention meaning is not the domain of materialistic science, so you are showing there's more than that. inb4 i was pretending to be retarded

>>3265901
"He caned her for not sufficiently grieving his death"

What a madman kek.

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>>3265875
For me it's the fact that people believe that the entire universe came from a small ball exploding and animals morphing from bacteria into other animals.

>>3266665
Also astounding to me is how much is lost in war. Aside from lives, health and personal relationships of course, so much work is lost in so many forms.
Work in the form of millions having to labor purely to fuel the war, in the form of resources that go only toward weapons and such, in the form of buildings and things that get destroyed, in the form of money that goes to finance the war instead of the economy.

That people make laws, try to change the world, or simply kill other people because of falsehoods that they believe to be true.

If there is one thing I could change about humans, it would be this.

>>3266710
what is your theory otherwise?

>>3266710
I think that there have been a shitload of other universes, one day, every blackhole will join together and there won't be anything left. Maybe that's how the Big Bang happened

>>3266716
Watson: God! You're just like Don Quixote, you think everything's always something else!

Playfair/Holmes [Laughs]: Well he had a point. Of course, he carried it a bit too far. He thought that every windmill was a giant. That's insane. But, thinking that they might be... well… all the best minds used to think the world was flat. — But, what if it isn't? — It might be round — and bread mold might be medicine. If we never looked at things and thought of what they might be, why, we'd all still be out there in the tall grass with the apes.

>>3266716
I don't think I'd like to live in a world where we had 100% certainty of everything we knew desu.

I thought it was insane how people think Germany deserves to exist as a country after not just one world war caused by them, but two.

>>3266748
Third time's the charm?

>>3266710
I find this whole discussion itt to kind of stupid, and didn't want to contribute because people should believe in what they want to believe or not believe, but I really have to correct you, animals are eukaryotes and bacteria are prokaryotes, they have a common ancestor. The process of "morphing" is well understood (theory of evolution), granted abiogenesis isn't fully understood, which doesn't mean it won't be in the future, but stick to your beliefs, just don't force them on others.

>>3266738
Well, seeing as the region beyond the event horizon of black hole is meaningfully detached from the spacetime that is the foundation of our reality, it might be said that they are already independent occurences of existence. We may be living in a supercollapsed chunk of a higher order "universe" right now. Merely as a 3-dimensional stain occupying a neglible portion of some crazy looking 4-dimensional space.

When considering the ephemerality of things we see as so concrete, a little imagination can show one new worlds of pretty wild shit.

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>>3265924
The Christmas Truce is a great story, but in the subsequent years the mood of the war had changed from simply providing military assistance to either side because of treaty obligations to revenge for the fierce fighting and atrocities of the opponent. The war was no longer a formality for most, as it was in 1914, so sadly the good nature did not last

>>3265875
T. Middleschooler

>>3266769
And the thing is, we will never know within our lifetime

>>3266779
I recall, years ago, going through a box of my great-grandmother's things and coming across a grade school notebook. In it, there were dozens of derogatory references to Germany and the Kaiser. Bear in mind, this was in Minnesota, but I wonder what the public really thought the war was about at the time. I'm sure there was a significant difference in the opinions of homebodies and the cannon fodder, but I've read very few first hand accounts of that time except as retrospectives or dramatizations after the fact.

>>3265875
The existence of religion and related structures. You make up something, people believe it and you are able to obtain your whole power on a bunch of stories. How absolutely unbelievable is that.

That right after the Revolutionary War which was triggered by some rich people being angered by their tea being taxed that but instantly after it the same leaders that were Rich tried to start taxing whiskey which led to the Whiskey Rebellion which was basically the same thing. What I'm trying to say is that the entire country was founded on a lie and that the people who started it didn't want taxes on the beverages for the wretch but instantly tried to tax beverages for the poor because their beliefs and Everyman create were created equal or something that they just created in order to justify getting poor people to fight for them. It's funny that almost no schools in America teach about the Whiskey Rebellion and how it was basically started by the hypocrisy of the quote on quote founding fathers.

>>3266886
Having spent the overwhelming majority of time as a disparate spattering of matter and energy before being chaotically flung into my current and corporeal state, I can't really say that I care too much about this tiny pinhole of perception that exists only for a short instant. My passions lie more in the sublimity of the greater reality to which I belong (hopefully). The fact that I do exist as a conduit through which the universe may observe itself is neat, but trivial. If there is nothing else, I am immensely entertained by the course of this strange, beautiful world. Though I may not know anything in absolute truth, the elegance of the cosmos that I have observed, learned of, or otherwise abstracted is deeply satisfying, in that I am assured it will continue on without me.

Think not of life as a possession, but a fragile and ephemeral state. In this framing, one can come upon his or her own death and, instead of being disturbed, exit this world as satisfied guest.

>>3266934
but i want to fuck life in the ass

>>3266941
May I recommend astroglide (now with existential-reinforced metaphysics).

>>3266934
Don't get me wrong, although we won't know for sure why the universe is like this within our lifetime, I'm not going to act all sad because of this, I would even go as far as saying that I wouldn't even care if I knew.
For example, when I'm out on a forest, the idea that the trees are pumping out oxygen and absorving CO2 doesn't cross my mind, or why the rock I'm sitting on happened to be there and how it ended up there. But anyways, we weren't born for the purpose of discovering and questioning, our true purpose in this world is to pay taxes and die.

>>3267004
I would recommend taking an interest in maths. It really sorted me out to have an understanding of a sort offundamental structure to work with. Of course, I was a feckless transient with a heavy methamphetamine habit before I returned to school and eventually ended receiving my Phd. Each case is different, but I feel that we all, in our own way, must find some sort of solid ground with which to use a reference for our respective world views. I don't know what yours is, but I find the absolute, uncompromising nature of numbers is pretty effective.

>>3267077
For me is Justice, I'm planning on studying Law and becoming an investigator in my country's judicial police. Basically I hope to put people like the guy who sold you methamphetamines behind bars, and hopefully, the guy who made them. Cracking down and arresting anyone involved in a terrorist act is also a task I hope to perform.

Also congratulations and massive respect for leaving methamphetamine use.

>>3266462
>>3266428
You're both retards, that isn't the hagia sofia.

>>3265875
Modern world only started like 400 years ago.

We stand on eggshells and pretend its stone.

>>3265906
It would be even better than today. Can you imagine having qt slave nowadays?

>>3267160
Thank you, but it was more a natural progression of events that lead me away from my habits. I only did what felt right, and it required little effort, believe it or not.

It is good to hear that you have found a cause so noble you can devote yourself to it. Having been on the other end of the law for much of my life, however, I hope you can take some empathy with you in its practicing. The whole span of impulses and actions that range from good and evil and right and wrong, do not negate the benefit a bit of humanity can bring to each consideration.

>>3265875
The steady progress of medicine. For just 300 years ago almost none believed in the existence of germs and now we are about to find ways to use animal organs in human bodies in a broad scale.

>>3266302
>For me it's the fact that people worshiped imaginary deities and believed in an afterlife for thousands of years.
The hook was baited from the start.

>>3265875
*tips fedora*

>>3265875
>For me it's the fact that people worshiped imaginary deities and believed in an afterlife for thousands of years.
Thats just your ignorance showing.
Study the history of Philosophy and it's a pretty clear line of progression with the God stuff.

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>>3265875
That jews still exist

>>3267223
I will take your advice in consideration, thank you and have a good life.

>>3265906
Except half the city's population was enslaved.

>>3266159
>>3266170
Surgeries in some cases were done routinely without proper anesthesia for most of the 20th century. In some cases it still happens today.

>>3266666
Nice digits Satan

>>3266779
In 1917 the Germans, knowing that support for both the War and the Tsar was collapsing in Russia, encouraged their soldiers to fraternize with Russian soldiers in no-mans land. They hoped that this would make the Russian troops even less interested in attacking.

They had to stop because the Russian soldiers were giving the German troops Bolshevik literature and encouraging them to tell their officers to fuck off.

Then they found out that the Russian soldiers were telling the German soldiers ab

>>3267625
Ab... ab what? Continue

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>>3266223
1. The Church accepted certain lines of inquiry while censuring others. That's why Galileo spent part of his life under house arrest, he reported things that clashed with accepted dogma.
2. During the early Middle Ages in particular, and throughout the ancient and medieval worlds, it was widely believed that different diseases had divine significance. Leprosy in Europe was revered as a sort of holy penitence, the viral equivalent of self flagellation. Also, doctors and "scientists" believed that the body functioned in specific ways that depended upon the existence of an intangible soul. Believing in humors was closely tied to the concepts of sin and redemption. Google it.
3. Literally all of our satellite expeditions to other planets depend on predicting the correct timing when two celestial bodies with differing orbits come close together. How are you uninformed enough not to think of this?
4. What the first Anon was talking about is the idea of "spontaneous generation", which was theorized by Aristotle and widely accepted by two thousand years of immaterial thinkers until Louis Pasteur decisively disproved it in 1859. Believing that mice randomly appear in warehouses full of grain, or that flies auto-generate on a corpse, is just as retarded as believing that a baby comes from nowhere - which is assuredly how ancient humans without scientific knowledge thought.

tl;dr you completely failed to rebut anything you responded to and should probably go enjoy some Saturday night activity with other people that doesn't involve heavy thinking instead of trying to wade into a discussion with people that find you tiresome and foolish.

>>3267650
Sorry, didn't mean to post that last sentence fragment, and I can't go back in and edit it. The point was that the fraternization was subverting the German troops more than the Russians.

I just got through listening to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast about WWI, which is really an audio book: six segments, with each segment running 3 or 4 hours. I'd recommend it to anyone whose into military history.

In B4 shill; I'm not Dan Carlin, and you can download the WWI segments for free.

>>3267675
>1. The Church accepted certain lines of inquiry while censuring others. That's why Galileo spent part of his life under house arrest, he reported things that clashed with accepted dogma.

Just read Galileo's wikipedia page ffs. This is a pophis misconception. Galileo was unable to substantiate his theory and sperged out instead.

>>3267675
>2. During the early Middle Ages in particular, and throughout the ancient and medieval worlds, it was widely believed that different diseases had divine significance. Leprosy in Europe was revered as a sort of holy penitence, the viral equivalent of self flagellation. Also, doctors and "scientists" believed that the body functioned in specific ways that depended upon the existence of an intangible soul. Believing in humors was closely tied to the concepts of sin and redemption. Google it.

Gives no result

X Doubt

>3. Literally all of our satellite expeditions to other planets depend on predicting the correct timing when two celestial bodies with differing orbits come close together. How are you uninformed enough not to think of this?

Could be possible, but I don't imagine the gravitational pull of celestial objects other than the moon and maybe sun being strong enough to affect the orbit of satellites.

> satellite expeditions to other planets

Wut?

I'm talking about satellites launched in lower Earth orbit.

>4. What the first Anon was talking about is the idea of "spontaneous generation", which was theorized by Aristotle and widely accepted by two thousand years of immaterial thinkers until Louis Pasteur decisively disproved it in 1859. Believing that mice randomly appear in warehouses full of grain, or that flies auto-generate on a corpse, is just as retarded as believing that a baby comes from nowhere - which is assuredly how ancient humans without scientific knowledge thought.


This has nothing to do with his thesis that medieval peoples did not know of the causative effect of insemination and pregnancy

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>>3266182
>tfw wouldn't actually mind a my little pony afterlife

at least it would be colourful and have lots of cuddly animals

>>3268097
>>3266182
OH GOD NO I DIDN'T MEAN THAT I HADN'T READ YOUR WHOLE POST

I JUST WANT THE CRITTERS AND SINGING

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>>3266934
this is a beautiful turn of phrase. well done to you.

t. /lit/

>>3265909
The Byzantines had it coming desu

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>>3265875
>>3265918

>For me it's the fact that people worshiped imaginary deities and believed in an afterlife for thousands of years.

They're not imaginary deities - although the sacred myths are sacred myths and not the actual form of the godhead. The Jewish/"Christian"/Muslim "deity" is imaginary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3K5Vt8I1EU

History doesn't exist. It's a meme. Please go back to /r/eddit
>>3266131
Pragmatism is not an argument m8. Empiricism cannot confirm empiricism. You only think 'it just werks' because you have ingrained it.
>unfalsifiable
Bad meme; not relevant to any sort of valid epistemology.

>>3267675
Tool, all of what you've mentioned is scientific thought. Fucking brainlets.

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>>3265875
>For me it's the fact that people worshiped imaginary deities and believed in an afterlife for thousands of years.- 110 posts and 18 image replies shown.

>>3267675
1. Completely false. The Church put Galileo under house arrest because he called the Pope an idiot and refused to recant it. Protestants took this and twisted it into the Church being anti-science to suit their propaganda.
2. In what parts of the world? Outbreaks of disease might be attributed to divine cause but people knew since ancient times that being around sick people was a good way to get sick yourself, hence the sections on cleanliness and hygiene of many ancient religions focusing heavily on contact with sick people and discharge.
3. The geocentric and heliocentric models of the solar system were both highly developed during the Hellenic period. The reason why the heliocentric model was widely adopted was because Ptolemy believed it and espoused it. It has nothing to do with the Church.
4. The Church also had nothing do to with the preservation of the theory of spontaneous generation. Like the geocentric model, it was a theory that a great philosopher threw their weight behind and that acceptably modeled the problems of the day.

tl;dr go somewhere else to grind your axe against God. Your euphoria is grating to read.

>>3265875
> people worshiped imaginary deities and believed in an afterlife for thousands of years
you know you have to be over 18 to use this site right?

>>3268084
>>3268151
If the Church's problem with Galileo had been entirely theological and not scientific they wouldn't have prohibited books teaching heliocentrism for more than a 100 years after the trial.

>>3266170
anesthesia isn't even the half of it, smallpox was declared completely eradicated in 1977 and its estimated that in the 20th century it may have killed as many 500 million people, most of them children.

>>3267675
>is just as retarded as believing that a baby comes from nowhere - which is assuredly how ancient humans without scientific knowledge thought.
'[...] so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother.'
Genesis 38:9
For fuck's sake, just stop.

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>>3266131
i won't read this because i already can tell you are a massive faggot

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I'd say I'm fairly impressed on Censuses prior to electronic stuff
Just imagine how much work went into the 1900 Census of the United States, it's fucking insane. A single volume goes over 1000 pages (Even more if the volume is split into parts), and there's over 10 of these motherfuckers for this single census.
And that's not even counting the various state Censuses that went with it. For example the 1900 Michigan Population Census has over 900 pages.

>>3268772
The Church's problem was neither theological nor scientific. It was personal.

>>3268941
enormous resources have always been spent by governments on census taking, because its information was essential for tax collecting

>>3269098
Which makes you wonder why they lashed out so hard against the theory and not just Galileo.

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>>3269114
If the Church had a problem with the theory why did they wait a full century after Copernicus' manuscript to ban it? Why did they only start to care enough to ban it until after Galileo called the Pope an idiot?

We walk on bones.

>>3266182
The " meek" shall inherent the earth.

>>3266131
>the virgin response

>>3269131
Because now evidence began appearing for the theory and the church started to actually feel threatened by this idea? Maybe the Church happened to have a power struggle at the time and the anti heliocentric faction won?
It's also a wonder why they reacted so harshly against the theory when Galileo wasn't the only one.

>>3267359
so exactly the same as today?

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Complete extermination of gothic, scythian and roman cultures
>tfw

>>3265939
Or, you know, the entirety of the shitskin world

>>3265901
>tell people your wife's ded
>"thats not her thats just her ghost!"

>fake your death
>wife doesnt cry
>can her

also their export stories are true? they seem so fake its hillarious

>>3266131
Yeah, I watch Rick and Morty too

>>3269663
This timothy guy is awsme

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>>3270008
> watching Rick and Morty

>>3270094
I can't believe somebody was smug enough to put so much effort into that picture.

>>3266131
>Because I read Chemistry books
Holy shit this is the worst post I've seen in a minute. Science tells us fuck all about anything.

>>3265875
For me its the mcchicken, the best fast food sandwich

>>3266359
Yes we do.

>>3265875
b8

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>>3270094
Weird how fedora this response is to Rick and Morty fans. The guy who made this pic obviously went out of his way to decide the joke of Mr. Poopy Butthole was that his name and not that he was obviously a "zany character" in a scene where everyone was trying to find zany characters trying to blend in.
Rick and Morty is absolutely Reddit: the Show, but you should figure that out for yourself instead of mindlessly parroting other people's opinions.

That city uncovered a few years back in Central America, where every statue in the city was found dumped in a pile and smashed with the exception of a giant vulture carefully placed on top. It was a funeral, but for their whole society.

>>3266131
All these replies and not a single one actually answers his point. Religious argumentation in a nutshell.

>>3271576
Wrong, most of them do, retard.

>>3265875
I'll bet you believe in equality.

>>3268132
the fuck is this tinfoil shit?

>>3267675
So he doesn't send glass shards flying all over the fucking place, dumbo

>>3268097
lmao

That I couldn't marry or fuck asian women 50 years ago

land of rfee my ASS

>>3266131
>>3266221

>>3271576

I'm pretty sure that second one I linked answered it pretty well. It also has 0 replies. Huh. Funny how that works.

>>3266131
>I read Chemistry books
>Dumb people like you
Haven't laughed so much in a while.
Tell me, does the scientific method fit into the criteria of immateriality?
What is so hard to seperate between abstract ideas and describing nature?
Oh wait, chemistry, I see...

>>3266131
>Where would we be if we were to believe the Earth is immobile and the center of the Universe rather than only one gear of a complex astrodynamics puzzle?
Wow you can use big boy words! Do you also know what they mean?
>What is a coordinate transformation?

>>3266764
Didn't you just do the thing that you told him not to do?

>>3271325
Interested in this

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Fedora: the post

>>3275962
Yes we get it you mongoloid. This turned into a good thread, now contribute to it instead of parroting the same meme that's been posted 50 other times.

>>3267181
They would've not made that mistake if turks had an actual culture instead of copying byzantine stuff.

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>>3265875
>when you see the death toll of all the wars fought in China throughout history

>>3266333
Jesus Christ, this actually hurts to read.

>>3270377
you're goddamn right

>>3270094
>4chan has always been Reddit
At last I truly see.

>>3268772
Maybe because heliocentrism doesn't have any empirical nor theological support, and the ptolemaic model works just as good as the copernican.
By the time galileo published his theory, there were many other theories being discussed, with the difference that the other scientists showed at least a little respect when exposing their models. Galileo acted like a fucking moron and he and his theory were treated as such.

>>3267675
>be galileo
>claim that the sun is the center of the universe (which, by the way, is as false as geocentrism)
>don't have any proof, but still insist because muh telescope
>get called on it by the church, which asks to treat my model as a theory
>sperg out and call the pope a dumbass
>still have a chance to be forgiven, but again sperg out in front of the tribunal
>found guilty, but still get to live in a mansion the rest of my life

wew lad, what a bunch of censors

>>3265906
It's been what? Over 2000 years and africans still can't fix their land

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>>3265875
The first Jet Engine fighters

>>3276597
Even then why did tbey prohibit the idea?

>>3276609
He had proof and proof against Aristotlian physics. Even if it was not enough anyone concerned with science would at least inquire it or tolerate it. Not prohibit it for hundreds of years.

>>3276718
They prohibited his dialogues, because the pope was portrayed as an idiot. Again, galileo acted like an asshole, and the church didn't want to give any sort of credit to his theories. Also, his works on motion physics were permitted and adopted, because there was solid proof behind them.

>>3276748
And because they didn't have religious and theological reasons to resist those.

>>3276757
The church opposed heliocentrism because of a Bible verse in which God stopped the sun iirc. They could have easily reinterpreted it if there were a good reason to do it. But, with no hard proof and its main supporter being a fucking moron, why would they do that?

>>3270094
The image you posted says nobody cares if you watch it, are you perhaps mentally challenged?

>>3265875
t. edgy 17 year old.

Once you get older and learn about the world youll notice that at the roots of it all there is god.

You get into chemistry and biology and you turn atheist, you get into it long enough you start seeing god. trust me.

>>3276786
t. American

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The fact that civilization and organized societies are older than any attempts at recorded history and we will never ever know their stories.

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>>3276020
>With knowledge in my artillery

This hurts me every time I read it

>>3276786
t.born again snake handling burger bro

>>3265875
I always struggle to fathom how old human civilization is; we think Rome is this ancient civilization that existed so, so long ago, but during their prime they thought the same of Egypt who thought the same of the older Egyptian dynasties who probably though the same of Sumerians and so on.

Another crazy thing is how rapidly technology is advancing. Depending on estimates it isn't that big of a difference between mankind's leap from agriculture to writing to skyscrapers.

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The fact that even after all this time, we still hate and kill over such meaningless shit.

Also that there are people out there who seem to lack basic survival instinct.

>>3269291
He's right

>>3265901
Is Timothy /ourlad/?

>>3276092
Right?

>>3276886
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGaSJUqEyC4

>>3267359
Manumission motherfucker. Roman slaves could eventually buy their way out and become citizens. It was literally the best slavery in the meditteranian.

>>3266660
War Is Merely the Continuation of Policy by Other Means.

I find it jawdropping that populations are so dynamic. That humans will always spread and flourish even in trying environments.

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>>3265875
The hellhole that was the WWII eastern front. Like two psychopathic James Bond villains torturing each other. The numbers and horrific anecdotes (cannibalism, human-road, etc.) just boggle my mind.

>Would love a band of brother type series on this though, showing the suffering of normal soldiers on both sides.