Why didn't the Pirates create their own nation? They were

>>3259768

They did with great success, they end up calling it the United Kingdom.

They feared the bureaucratic warrior

>>3259774
fpbp

But they literally did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Pirates

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>>3259768
why bother when you can just do fun pirate stuff early on then just get handed a governorship to comfortably settle down instead.

>>3259768
Organized criminals are usually too competitive with each other to achieve this.

lol, of course they did it.

Britain, Morocco and Turkey.

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>>3259768

yfw pirates were leftists all this time

>>3260098
fascinating

>what is Taiwan

>>3259768
The Barbary states literally were a federation of pirates.

>>3259768
I think they did, but it not as dramatic as you think. They usually were just maritime colonists in the Caribbean, such as the famous Buccaneers of Tortuga, who were basically farmers who sold the smoked hides of cows to passing ships, and were essentially a French proto colony which ended up being folded into the colony of Saint-Domingue (the modern country of Haiti).

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>>3259768
There was a Pirate nation for a couple of centuries in the Ottoman Empire.
Brothers Oruç and Hızır controlled North Africa. After his brother's death at sea, Hızır grew in power. Eventually being crowned by Suleiman the Magnificent from the Ottoman empire. The sultan gave the name Hayreddin to Hızır, meaning best of Islam. He was known as the king of Algeria and reigned with his Barbary pirates. In one year he even enslaved a quarter million European slaves and sold them to Mughals and Ottomans. Hayreddin is without a doubt the most successful pirate king that has ever lived. He even had an alliance with the French, in which the Habsburg empire envied their alliance and also wanted to come together with the Barbary state.
I know a shit ton about the Barbary states, ask me stuff

Where can I learn more about Caribbean pirates from the early 18th century? I'm writing about it and I want to know everything about it

>>3260745
Read General History of Pyrates
Play AC Black Flag

>>3260746
Wait shit I love that game

So it covers basically everything about Caribbean Pirates? Time for a replay

>>3260729
>all those qt white girls taken from their quaint fishing villages to be sold into the harems of fat sheikhs in distant lands
hot

>>3260756
Yeah
I mean the storyline is obviously ahistorical but the settings are real as are all the pirates in the game, except for Kenway

>>3259768
>Nation

Didn't you meant state?

>>3260763
>tfw you'll never be a red bearded Ottoman Barbary with his own harem

Why even live?

>>3259768
>Why didn't the Pirates create their own nation?
Barbarossa did

>>3260763
Reminder women didn't shave their cunts back then and they propably also stunk like shit.

>>3260827

That was just your family.

>>3260827
Shaving sucks anyway.

>>3260827
There's literally nothing wrong with women having hairy cunts m8. You must be gay.

>>3260827
Only added pleasure anon

>>3259774
Came here to post this

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>>3260729
>these fuckers when playing ETW
>annoying fucking cunts all the time
>either somehow ally them or fight a huge war with the ottomans to get rid of them

>>3259768
To everyone who enjoys pirates and historical fiction: watch the show Black Flag. You'll thank me later.

>>3259768
Because they're retarded thugs. Nobody would recognize a nation of criminals. See: Transnistria

>>3259774
Thank you

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>>3259774
>tfw when I am an Anglo and secretly push the eternal Anglo meme on the 4chins because I love being the seafaring, immoral, oppressive, pantomime villain of history and the bad guy of the world.
I thank God every day that I was born an English Anglo.

>random criminals who survive by attacking lightly armed or undefended merchants
>powerful

>>3262391
Know what ya mean brother.

>>3260098
Pretty cool, imagine if they started taking control of Cuba

>>3260773

I think OP means both.

Was it possible for pirates to begin to consider themselves a nation? This would be compatible with them remaining without a state of their own, they would exist as a cosmopolitan class in other states, probably disliked.

Was it possible for some pirates to rule a state? Yes. Easily. I think it might have happened a few times.


The interesting question, then, is could Pirates of the Caribbean form a nation-state? that lasts until the modern age? Would it happen as a result of a pirate ruling a city-state, and the ruling class becoming pirates, the nucleus of a pirate nation? Would it happen as a result of a pirate nation forming, and trying consciously to find a place to settle, somewhere around the Caribbean region? Both very interesting, and it could be possible for both to happen in one scenario.


Maybe if Europe gets another big dose of the plague, the Caribbean is left to it's own devices for longer, and the age of pirates lasts long enough that 'sea-faring, raiding, trading, mercenary Europeans/mongrels' exist as an independent class.

>>3260729
Where did he hide one piece?

>>3259768
somalia

>>3262391
I feel the same, as an Anglo-American.

>people saying UK and I don't get it

>>3259774
This and no anglo damage control trying to claim "they like it" will change it

>>3260729
>in which the Habsburg empire envied their alliance and also wanted to come together with the Barbary state

Absolute non-sense. Hayreddin allied France precisely because the Habsburgs were his enemies.

>>3263830
t. Anglo

>>3263862
actually I'm Uzbekistani and I really don't get it

>>3263924
Actual uzbek or uzbek-american?

>>3264007
real one hombre

>ja sam chisti uzbekistanac i nje nekavi amerikanac

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>>3259774
Success breeds jealousy.

>>3264061
>ja sam chisti uzbekistanac i nje nekavi amerikanac
This is Slavic, not Turkish tho.

>>3264061
Just asking, no need to prove it I trust you man. Basically as a tl;dr Brits were the default corsair nation since they were a relatively weak and secondary power but were enemies/rivals with the two main atlantic powers: Spain and France. The dutch could arguably also be called the default corsait nation but they're irrelevant today so they're not allowed to have too much stereotypes beyond whores and pot (Amsterdam).

>>3264161
it's almost like Uzbekistan was under Soviet control isn't it

>>3264167
Didn't the Dutch cuck Portugal out of all of their colonies in Asia?

>>3260745
'The Pirate Wars' Peter Earle

'Villains of All Nations: Atlantic Pirates in the Golden Age' Marcus Rediker

'Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea: Merchant Seamen, Pirates and the Anglo-American Maritime World, 1700-1750' Marcus Rediker

'The Many-Headed Hydra: Sailors, Slaves, Commoners, and the Hidden History of the Revolutionary Atlantic' Peter Linebaugh

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>>3263841
You can't make us feel salty about something we find hilarious. Krauts tried to make us feel war guilt so we doubled down and started Harris posting

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>>3262391
>Too lazy to conquer a Mesoamerican empire for their gold
>Just mug Spanish cargo ships instead
>Hundreds of years later we're still fucking with them, but this time on the Balaerics while pinging on ecstasy.

God save the Queen.

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>>3259774

>>3259768
The question is why would they want to? A nation means government and government means law. Pirates are thieves and smugglers where every man is only interested in his own well-being. The closest thing organized criminals ever get to government is a set of agreed-upon rules where they agree to work together for mutual benefit and don't fuck each other over. The 18th century Caribbean pirate code is exactly the same in principal to the 20th century American mafia code.