Isn't anything but sola-scriptura inherently like the pharisee

>>3249164
religious texts are just a snapshot of tradition in a certain moment, therefore meaningless and useless except for literary merit
in fact every heresy supports some form of sola-scriptura, from luther to isis
religions were born before their holy books, so they can work without them
tradition > scriptures

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>>3249198
>he thinks the holy scriptures arent divinely inspired

>>3249198
But you have no proof if it's not written down. That's how judaism became such a corrupt tradition, they added on so much tradition and so much man made bullshit, they forsake the torah for the talmud

>>3249207
>divinely inspired
What does this mean? Seriously, what the fuck does this phrase mean?

>>3249222
I think he means by that, that the new testament is the word of god. It's a recollection of stuff Jesus did, Jesus is god, therefore it's divinely inspired

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>>3249222
>θεόπνευστος
God-breathed.

>>3249207
>he thinks living religious authorities aren't divinely inspired

>>3249245
How can the church claim it's traditions are truly divinely inspired though when there's no proof? That's the whole point. It's more hereitical than the "super sekret oral torah that moses gave us n shiet"

anyone can just say that jesus started this or that tradition with no proof just like any pharisee could make up any bullshit rule with the justification that moses told it to them but didn't write it down

honestly at this point I'm starting to think all the sola scriptura autists are correct

>>3249228
But no one who talked to Jesus wrote anything. Also, Jesus didn't write the old testament, a bunch of different people did.

>>3249230
Like God literally dictated to someone who wrote down shit for him?

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>>3249245
They can be so long as they are acting in harmony with the Holy Scriptures.

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>>3249250
The authors were literally full of the Holy Spirit.

>>3249271
Full where? Stomach? What the fuck's the Holy Spirit?

>>3249249
>he thinks religion is about "proof"

>>3249258
and why exactly is the tradition depicted in the scriptures better than the others?

>>3249215
>But you have no proof if it's not written down. That's how judaism became such a corrupt tradition, they added on so much tradition and so much man made bullshit, they forsake the torah for the talmud

.t has never met an actual Jew nor read anything in the Talmud, which quotes the Tanach extensively.

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>>3249282
From the soles of their feet to the crown of their heads and the Holy Spirit is the Counselor.

>>3249283
Because it is θεόπνευστος.

>>3249164
The scriptures are a part of Church tradition.

>>3249293
t. jew

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>>3249299
But not all (((church))) traditions are part of the scriptures.

>>3249300
Yes. I come from a proud religion and rich theology which certainly doesn't have to edit out half of the texts it supposedly claims as holy in order to not have its own claims invalidated on their face.

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>>3249164
>All the older churches are heretics
>Only my tax dodging divorce cults that popped into existence in the 14th century follow God

>>3249309
That makes sense, since the scriptures specifically state that not everything Christ taught could be written down.

>>3249295
So every cell in the body is "filled" with the "Counselor". This still doesn't explain anything, what does that actually mean? Is there a substance infused into their cellular structure? What is the "Counselor?"

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>>3249311
>yfw

>>3249293
>the talumud

>Our Sages tell us: When Titus was traveling back to Rome on a ship with the Jewish captives and the vessels of the Holy Temple, a storm at sea threatened to drown him. He said: "It seems that the G‑d of these people only has power over water. When Pharaoh came, He drowned him in water. When Sisera came, He drowned him in water. Now He is about to drown me in water. If He wants to show His strength, let Him come onto dry land and fight with me there!"

>A Divine voice came forth and said to him: "Wicked one, the son of a wicked one, descendant of Esau the wicked, I have an insignificant creature in My world called a gnat. Come ashore and do battle with it!" Titus went ashore and a gnat came and entered his nostril, and pecked at his brain for seven years.

>One day, Titus was walking past a blacksmith's shop. The gnat heard the noise of the sledgehammer and became silent. Titus said: "There is a remedy!" Every day they brought a blacksmith and he hammered in Titus' presence. To a gentile blacksmith he would give a handsome stipend, but to a Jew he would say: "It is sufficient that you see your enemy suffering!"

>For thirty days they brought smiths to hammer in Titus' presence. Then the gnat adjusted to the noise of the hammer, and continued pecking at Titus' brain even when the hammers were struck.

>Rabbi Pinchas ben Arova said: "I was with the great men of Rome at the time when Titus died. They examined his brain and what they found in it was the size of a small bird!"

>As Titus lay dying, he instructed his servants: "Burn me and scatter my ashes over the seven seas so that the G‑d of the Jews cannot find me and bring me to judgment."

Truly a theology on par with the New Testament

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>Bible only Christians = shit

>Torah-only Jews = good

>Qur'anist only Muslims = good

Why?

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>>3249315
The church isn't Christ so it has no business teaching doctrines that cannot be supported by scripture.

>>3249318
The Spirit is God's breath.

>>3249329
one of those things is not like the others

>>3249334
The scriptures were decreed by the Church. The scriptural canon was decided by the Church. Also:

18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.” - Matthew 18: 18-20

>>3249334
That's what you started with. You explained in a giant circle.

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>>3249342
Yes and therefore the Church should not deviate from its own scriptures!

>>3249356
If protestants don't believe in immaculate conception what DO they believe then?

>>3249354
Some things can only be explained that way.

>>3249356
>I accept the authority of the Church to determine what is scripture
>But they can't agree with things that aren't scripture
So, what do you think theology looked like before the scriptural canon?

And what about the parts of scripture where Christ specifically gives the apostles the power to bind and loose sins?

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>>3249371
what about the parts of the scripture where Christ tells us to worship his mother?....oh wait

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>>3249356
>should not deviate from its own scriptures!
>Proceeds to remove 7 chapters from the bible

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>>3249363
That Mary was a very nice girl who would be embarrassed by the cult that has sprung up around her.

>>3249377
I'm not Catholic.

>>3249369
>Divine inspiration is God's breath, which fills men's cells with the Holy Spirit, which is the Counselor, which is God's breath.

You're fine with this?

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>>3249387
God breathes into people, it makes sense to me.

>>3249404
Like literally breathes into people? He respirates?

>>3249222
these people are straight up /x/, not history or humanities.
I'm honestly not sure why they are allowed here at all.

>>3249164
How are interpretations of texts less man-made than the unwritten law of what makes one Church sacred and united with the Messiah in spirit, and another a mere assembly of coreligionists?

This is the problem of theology in the English-speaking world. It's Tradition, with a capital T, not simply tradition. It being passed down is but one aspect of Tradition. It is also revered by the consensus of the whole Church, not just the clergy, and is thus untouchable. Whether the Catholic, two Orthodox and Nestorian Churches abide by this is another question.

>>3249411

Judaism gets special pleading

>>3249283
Traditions without evidence become susceptible to corruption and manipulation. Religious organizations aren't free from opportunistic doctoring and politics.

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>>3249410
Exactly.

>>3249447
You're saying God is physically extant in the world and has analogue respiration directly into people's bodies?

>>3249492
No it's more like magic brainwaves.

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>>3249492
No I'm saying He puts what was in Him in us.

>>3249164
Yes, of course.

>>3249410
Yes.

>>3249410
John 20:22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

>>3249222
It means that the 40 men who wrote the 66 books of the bible were all filled with the Holy Spirit of God, who brought to their remembrance everything that had happened. It means that the bible is a collaborative work between the Creator and his creation, to send a message to the world that even though the world deserves destruction, and will be destroyed, whoever believes in Jesus will be saved.

"Divinely inspired" means that God is responsible for what is in the bible; for what the bible means; maintaining the bible; and teaching the bible to anyone who will listen to the Holy Spirit.

It also means the bible, the autographs, were inerrant, without any spelling mistakes or copyist errors, other mistakes, lies, or mistranslations.

What we have of that work is 99.5% intact. You can dwell on the 99.5% that is intact, or you can imagine that the 0.5% makes the 99.5% invalid.

Your choice. As in everything, the universe is weighted so that your choice belongs to you, and your agency will not be overwhelmed either way.

Believe, or don't.

>>3249492
I don't know how you would call the Holy Spirit of God "physical", but yes, the Holy Spirit of God literally dwells within all believers.

>>3249433
They have a different deal. A worse deal. And eventually, they will either have to enter into the new covenant, or die.

>>3249382
Horrified.

>>3249380
Luther was a Catholic.

And several of the books the Catholic canon included were not scripture.

>>3249318
He is the Holy Spirit of God. Counselor, Comforter, Restrainer, Transformer, and many other things as well.

>>3249528
>It also means the bible, the autographs, were inerrant, without any spelling mistakes or copyist errors, other mistakes, lies, or mistranslations.
Which version?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Bible_translations

>>3249299
Only if you're a fool. If you're not a fool, you don't mix the holy with the profane. And the "traditions of men" are nothing if not profane.

Jesus criticized the sadducees, whose theology at the time was very sola scriptura. You sola scriptura adherents would know this if you actually read the scriptures.

>>3249540
The autographs for the OT would be Hebrew, with a few verses in Aramaic, and the NT would have been Greek, with Matthew being in Hebrew, and a few words being taken in Aramaic.

>>3249544
Nope. They were also Pharisaical Jews, they just didn't believe in the afterlife.

>>3249549
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadducees
"The Sadducees rejected the Oral Law as proposed by the Pharisees. Rather, they saw the written Torah as the sole source of divine authority."

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>>3249164
>Isn't anything but sola-scriptura inherently like the pharisee religion? Replacing the word of god with man-made tradition?

Most of the Jewish Bible isn't the word of God - that's what Jesus meant by the Jewish leaders replacing the word of God with "traditions of men."

Think about it for a second:

"There's a god but there's not been a single divine agent out of billions of people in over 2000 years - we have it on the authority of a talking burning bush with no witnesses and we'll kill you if you disagree."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNCruTB7hMU

>>3249557
this guy again

>>3249542
The scriptural canon was created by men at the Church councils.

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>>3249562
>this guy again

Yes, I'm your God in the flesh. Moses worship is still prohibited on planet Earth and can result in anywhere from soul death to eternal damnation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3Kxqx5Xfuo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNK655iUtr0

>>3249550
Jesus rebuked the pharisees and their oral traditions too. Read the part where he talks about the washing of the cup.

>>3249249
There's no proof for the scriptures either lmao

>>3249619
by this logic there's no proof for literally any religion

>>3249528
>infallible God
>has a .5% error rate

>>3249622
>by this logic there's no proof for literally any religion

DING DING DING!

Tell him what he's won!

>>3249550
They didn't care. They were rich, they ruled the country, and they were political animals, dominating the Sanhedrin. They didn't keep the written tradition any more than the oral tradition; they didn't even believe in angels ffs.

>>3249586
the 66 books of the bible were written by about 40 men over 1500 years, and existed well before anyone put them in their book collection.

>>3249624
Infallible God.

Written word 3500 years old. 99.5% intact.

Yes, that's a miracle.

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>>3249622
>by this logic there's no proof for literally any religion
>>3249625
>DING DING DING!
>Tell him what he's won!

That's not true at all - but it is true there's definitely no proof for Moses' homicidal rape fantasies being divine. Jews, Muslims, and "Christians" are just LARPers and that's all they've ever been and ever will be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG7VtVr4eFw

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>>3249631
Or just typical anthropologic writing and you are dazzled by some numbers you made up.

>>3249631
Well the bible is not 3500 years old, and is filled with half truths and inaccuracies, but since I doubt you believe in modern archeology or historical method you will dismiss that.

I am sorry you love your book more than the truth but remember, the truth will set you free.

>>3249636
What the fuck are any of your stupid videos supposed to prove? They have no fucking point to them.

Are you schizophrenic?

>>3249641
He literally is.

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>>3249641
>>3249642

>What the fuck are any of your stupid videos supposed to prove? They have no fucking point to them.
>Are you schizophrenic?

No, I'm a prophet of God.

You know - those people Jews, Muslims and Judeo-Christians base their identity around killing.

e.g. Ba'al - whose prophets Elijah slaughters - is god of storms, king of the gods - cognate to Zeus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9uEspZpYlo

>>3249660
sigh

>>3249641
I share your disgust. That guy is weird as fuck, always posting bizarre non-sequiturs with bizarre collages, and nonsensical videos.

He makes REI seem normal.

>>3249630
Yes, but it was the Church that decided which books were scripture and which weren't.

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>>3249662
>sigh

I got way more evidence than anyone discussing any genocidal talking burning bushes. So I don't know why you're calling me delusional. I'm not the one running around claiming I got a license from God to kill because I read the Pentateuch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7hfZLTjTSs

>>3249696
>I don't know why you're calling me delusional.
geg

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>>3249705
>geg

Hey, 1/1,000,000 chance I'm delusional - I'll take it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbKAefBxKVg

>>3249695
That's an overblown meme. The New Testament canon was already formed by the community over a period of decades.

>>3249756
Did God mind control everyone to ensure his 99.5 percent accuracy rate on the legit/apocrypha?

>>3249756
No there were books generally agreed on which made it in, books a lot liked, some of which made it on, others were regarded as either heretical or semi-canonical, and then there were books only liked in certain regions and sects that generally were not included.

But the idea that it was completely agreed upon is total crap.

btw who agreed? answer: a bunch of bishops

>>3249528
How is he responsible? Did he speak to the scribes, or did he send thoughts to the scribes that weren't actually theirs? I'm asking logistics here.

>>3249507
What's in him?
What's in us?

>>3249516
You people keep using phrases with no definitions to provide definitions. What did he breathe, and what is the Holy Spirit?

>>3249531
How, in what way? What is it about a person that has the "Holy Spirit" inside of them. What is different about a person than an animal that a human has the "Holy Spirit" literally inside of them. What is the Holy Spirit?

>>3249745
unrealistic odds are a sign of a disturbed mind and the psychotic oftentimes never have insight into their condition

>>3250238
t. Gospel of Thomas gnostic

>muh 99.5%
Christians, due to their religion, were very, very good at copying manuscripts. But there is still a 0.5% error rate, and this includes extremely important stuff like 1 John 5:7. Plus, just because it's intact doesn't make it true.
>Herod-Quirinius problem
>Saints appearing in Jerusalem(no records at all which should be there if it actually happened
And that 99% doesn't extend to the Old Testament which is completely indefensible on any level

>>3250526
>Implying I "believe" any of this stuff

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>>3249540
>actually believing it's about translation
t.zakir naik fan

>>3249678
>REI

who?

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>>3250496
>unrealistic odds are a sign of a disturbed mind and the psychotic oftentimes never have insight into their condition

I'm just pointing out facts - not pulling numbers out of my ass. The FACT is that the pyramid of Giza's latitude shares the same first 6 digits as the speed of light. The FACT is that Caesar says "I am constant as the norther star. Of whose true-fixed and resting quality. There is no fellow in the firmament."

Sorry, you lose. Trying to cover up God's existence by filling a book with sophistry and calling it "the word of God" and telling people to murder anyone else who challenges the book was a smart way to pretend to be someone - but that's all it is, LARPing.

It feels good to be the real deal - especially how it makes so many people make outrageously stupid statements like "he's schizo" when I state I don't believe the latitude of the great pyramid is accidental nor by human intent. Like I said, it's a 1/1,000,000 chance I'm wrong - but I'll take those odds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3K5Vt8I1EU

>>3249258
>those fuckers
>our shit

>>3249258
>putting labels on your cartoons
If a cartoonist has to do this, they might as well just write a paragraph describing what's happening as their graphics have failed to communicate their message. This is why I don't like Ben Garrison's work.

>>3249322
>New Testament
Daily reminder that Jesus hated fig trees.

At least there is a sensible historical context for that Talmud quote, and Jews aren't obligated to take everything literally in their holy texts. Christianity is a brainlet religion.

>>3250769
the guy I quoted literally said >copyist errors and >mistranslations