So why was Malta able to hold back the Ottomans when Constantinople

Malta: Dragut died (Friendly fire) and Ottomans had to go back
Constantinople: Mehmed II dedicated his entire life to remove Greeks

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>>3236038
What were the Serbs thinking. Why did they allow them to encroach into Europe slowly and conquer the balkanlar.

>>3236063
Because white people are stupid and better at fighting each other than brown/tan/yellow people.

>>3236038
Constantinople was in the twilight of it's life, still extremely formidable but a shadow of its former might.


Think for a moment that quite literally the only reason Constantinople fell is due to the fact that they simple didn't have the numbers to maintain the defense and the fact that they held for that long against such a massive force and constant bombardment by cannons is a testament to how strong Constantinople really was.


Not to mention the fact that they were up against a man whose literal mission in life was to remove the Greek and LITERALLY dragged his entire fleet of warships across many miles of land to do so.

Is it disappointing that the Arabs captured Constantinople but effectively ended the Roman Empire? Yes, yes it is but the Byzantines held on for as long as humanly possible and fought them like lions.


I blame Europe for Constantinople falling desu.

>>3236085
But Serbs aren't white.

>>3236038

the byzantines inside gave up, they had enough

Because the last emperor will awaken to take what is rightfully Greek territory by the end of this millennium.

Daily reminder that it wasnt the cannons, the first breach during the siege came from the jewish quarter, ((((Someone)))) purposely left the gates open for the turks

>>3236104
me too, other cristhian countries merely watched a friend die in the hands of filthy ottomans

>>3236104
Ottomans were not Arabs.

>>3236104
shoo shoo Amerimutt

>>3236291
epic meme you retarded byzzieboos

>what is the crusade of nicopolis
>what is the crusade of varna
>what is mohacs
>what is the holy league
>what is lepanto

orthocucks should be gassed

>>3236174
source this

>>3236046

FPBP

>>3236038
>Why is it harder for the Turks to project force some 1,400 kilometers away from their heartlands than it is to a city right next door to them.

I don't know. IT MUST BE MAGIC OR SOMETHING DEUS VULT! DA JOOOZ! MEXICANS! A CURSE FROM A DEAD CHINESE PANDA!

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>>3236113
t.Hungarian
fuck off Magyar shitblood

>>3236696
Lmfao the Holy League and Lepanto had fuck all to do with "Liberating Greece" and the Crusader states were a bunch of backstabby kikes.

>>3236752

Okay, fair point. I was hoping that the answer would be cooler than that, though.

>>3236775
Logistics is king

>>3236773
>the crusader states

The crusades he mentioned had notjing to do with that retard, they were made literally to save the city

>>3236063
Serbs make it their mission to literally do nothing right

>>3236046
>Mehmed II dedicated his entire life to remove Greeks
And by *remove Greeks* you mean be completely genetically assimilated by them until T*rks are no longer related to their Steppe ancestors?

>>3236038
The Ottomans spent half a century whittling away at the edges of Constantinople, securing all major ports in the area, conquering miles of hinterland and removing any nearby threats, building up generations of experience campaigning in the region, and so on.

Malta was attacked in earnest just once, was very close to enemy waters without guaranteed Ottoman superiority at all times, and things were for the most part touch-and-go for the Turks.

>>3237182
Cringed irl

>>3236291
>friend

Catholics and Orthodoxes hated each other even more than they hated Muslims.
Venetians and Genoans definitely preferred the Greeks, but what the fuck could they do to reverse the onslaught while doing their best to not get fucked in the ass by the rest of Europe/Ottoman fleet

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>>3237244
>Venetians and Genoans definitely preferred the Greeks

lmao,venetians hate greekshits so much they used their ships to transport ottoman forces across the straits free of charge.

>>3236291
>>3236063
Sto putting your post french revolution ideas of nationalism, romanticism etc into the past.
Christians butchered other christians, they were not romantic pan european pan christian nationalist, but acted within their own interest, the brotherly love was only used if it suited them.
and almost all major powers of europe, including the russians (Check the egyptian revolt backed by brits) allied themselves with Turks in one date or the other.

There is no "we must unite against pisslam to save EVROPA"

>>3236063
Medieval states =/= nation states in any capacity.
It's about which family wins, which vassals gain which plunder etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_civil_war_of_1341%E2%80%931347
Read a bit.
Kantakouzenos was forced to withdraw north to Serbia, where he hoped to secure the aid of Stefan Dušan. Soon after, Hrelja also deserted Kantakouzenos and joined the regency, hoping to gain control of Melnik for himself.[48] In July 1342, Kantakouzenos met Dušan near Pristina. The Serbian ruler appeared initially reluctant to form an alliance. Nevertheless, under pressure from his nobles, especially the powerful Jovan Oliver, he could not afford to miss this unique opportunity to expand south. Desperately in need of Serbian aid, Kantakouzenos apparently agreed that the Serbs could keep any town they took, despite his own later account to the contrary. According to Nikephoros Gregoras, the Serbs claimed all of Macedonia west of Christopolis (Kavala), except for Thessalonica and its environs. The only concession Kantakouzenos secured was that an exception be made for those towns that surrendered to him in person

>>3236038
Arabs know how to fight

>>3237335
Ottomans are not Arabs.

>>3237347
he's talking about Malta i guess

>>3236038
>So why was Malta able to hold back the Ottomans when Constantinople could not?
hospitallers

>>3236174
Thats just an expression, not litteral.

Malta had strong allies

>>3236038

that image tho... theres a battle raging and everyone is chill, no need to even hurry

>>3237347
I am talking about malta

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>>3237182
Stay TURKED kukk

>>3237976
Those are all Kurds tho

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>>3237349
>>3237966
More then enough Jannisaries in Malta.

>>3237643
Who exactly? They did not receive any help until the very end.

Pic related is an excellent read if you like to know more.

Malta was a pirate island with a fuckhuge fortress and not too far from other European powers, who actually gave a shit.

>>3237989
>kurdslaying pyscho PÖH
>kurds

lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng4XOUhDL7I

>>3236038
Malta is a small Island in the middle of the Mediterranean with next to no resources, including freshwater. They have the finest port in the entire med, but thats it, there is no single other bay or harbor safe enough for winter weather. Which means for any invader by autumn you have to leave the island unless you take the harbor.

>>3238012
well, thy are krypto-kurds. essentially all modern turks are just larping.

>>3238018
Also, de Valetta was the right kind of bastard.

>"Mustafa had the bodies of the knights decapitated and their bodies floated across the bay on mock crucifixes. In response, de Valette beheaded all his Turkish prisoners, loaded their heads into his cannons and fired them into the Turkish camp."
Imagine this in a modern movie.

>>3236713
idk if it was the Jewish quarters, but it is truth that the Ottomans were able to enter the city due to someone "accidentally" leaving a gate open.

>>3236104
>Arabs captured Constantinople
>Mohammed taking credit for Mehmet's work again

>>3236174
As believable as this is, it needs a source.

>>3237976
How are they aryan tier?
They look like american mutts

>>3236038
Now i'm just talking out of my ass here but I would think that a small island on the middle of the Mediterranean with a gigantic fortress would be a lot harder to take in general than a big ass city in the continent, especially in the medieval period.

And even then it took a lot of work and many centuries for the muslims to take it.

>>3238103
by that time the gate was discovered the walls were already breached anyway so they wouldve taken it soooner or later

>>3238103
>>3238115
>Though long having fallen into decay, the last days of that empire as told in "1453" may have come down to a single gate left unlocked during the height of battle. Certainly the sheer numbers of the attacking Turks, their mighty cannons, the religious zeal of jihad and their superior organization factored highly into how the battle was won. But if not for this turning point in the final attack on Constantinople -- -- the unlocked gate allowed the Turks to overcome the wall of Theodosius -- the Byzantine Empire may have withstood. If only a short while longer.

its from roger crowleys book

>>3238352
also this from wikipedia

>With Giustiniani's Genoese troops retreating into the city and towards the harbor, Constantine and his men, now left to their own devices, kept fighting and managed to successfully hold off the Janissaries for a while, but eventually they could not stop them from entering the city. The defenders were also being overwhelmed at several points in Constantine's section. When Turkish flags were seen flying above a small postern gate, the Kerkoporta, which was left open, panic ensued, and the defense collapsed, as Janissary soldiers, led by Ulubatlı Hasan pressed forward. Many Greek soldiers ran back home to protect their families, the Venetians ran over to their ships, and a few of the Genoese got over to Galata. The rest committed suicide by jumping off the city walls or surrendered[4]

>which was left open

i dont have the book they used as a source (Nicol, Donald M. (1993). The Last Centuries of Byzantium, 1261-1453 ) so i cant verify

>>3236752
Did you forget to take your meds or something?

>>3237271
Some of them did, but not all did, nationalism existed you could say in the form of civic nationalism for the early Roman Empire and parts of the late

>>3238021
Nigga are you retarded kurds are fucking brown mountain iranians.

>>3238725
Normal people have a hard time to differ between a Kurd and a Turk, both are brown and hairy, most likely because they are more or less the same Anatolian breeding stock.

>>3237263
>they used their ships to transport ottoman forces across the straits free of charge
That's literally communist (as in soviet) propaganda.

>>3236038
Isn't Malta like.. an island?

>>3241098
No thanks I do not wish to kiss a danish person,
I will thank you for the offer anyway.

What about the last Emperor? Did he really go out like badass or is just part of the myth?

>>3238029
based

>>3236038
Are there any good books on Malta, the Great Siege of Malta, the Knights of Malta, or all three?

>>3236038
Because they had French crusader knights (Hospitalers)

>>3238859
Kurds don't stink nearly as half bad and are less hairy.

>>3236104

Not to mention that Constantinople had been sacked before.

Twice, I believe, both by Christians, so by the time M*hmmed got there it was a bit of a moot point as the city had long since been on a bit of a decline.

>>3237182
Oh boy, you're gonna get the attention of turkposters

>>3237976
Top left is space marine as fuck

>>3236038
A couple reasons
1: The Ottomans, Mehmet in particular, were far more driven during the siege of Constantinople, and remained as such. The Turkish force at Malta was demoralized almost from the start.
2: lack of resupply. Constantinople is right there, next to Ottoman territory. Supplies and manpower were a few days away at worst. Malta, meanwhile, was half of the Mediterranean away, taking weeks to supply the men, and that's when Spanish fleets weren't harassing their ships. The delay in communication with Istanbul, especially, hampered the Ottoman siege ability, as any reports and pleas for supplies would be outdated by over a month.
3: minor one, but The Knights were so fucking ready. They'd planned for this siege for years after the loss of Rhodes, and they knew they had to keep in top form. This also applied to fortifications: with the exception of some old parts which hadn't been redone, the fortifications at Malta were some of the most State-of-the-art Fortresses in Europe by the time the Turks showed up. Constantinople, meanwhile, was relying on ancient, though immensely thick, walls which had stood since the 4th century. Good as they were, they were just as immensely outdated, and unsuited for the rising use of gunpowder in sieges.

>>3241516
thank you for the first good response in this thread

>>3238859
That's because 'normal' people get there information from either /pol/, retarded /pol/acks escaping their containment board like this >>3241282
Faghot or from the turkish diaspora who are from eastern turkey which is also the poorest part of the country.
Turkey is fucking diverse there are people who like like arabs and there are people who look like slavs.

>>3238859
wh*Tes are not "people".

>>3242078
>trying to argue with a wh*Te
bro, wh*Tes are not as intelligent as other races. don't try to educate them.