What destruction of important historical artifacts and/or remains

>>3234597
pretty much anything done by muslism to pre muslim culture.

>>3234615
What about Muslim preservation of history?

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>>3234615

Look at them go.

Fuckers.

Inca culture""""""""""""""""conversion""""""""""""""""".

>>3234597
ongoing "de-confederation" of the south. I'm pissed about Isis too, but I would expect the US, being more educated, would understand the perils of historical revisionism, but for some reason they act the same a barbaric religious fundamentalists

>>3234597
I only care if it's in my country, otherwise I welcome their destruction because it's a loss for them

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>>3234823

Every last Unionist deserves to be gassed

The destruction of Aksum by queen yodit

>>3234879
You lay it on a little thick sometimes man

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>>3234879

Someone is upset.

Personally, I'm against the Confederate Statues. This country shouldn't reward treason and failure.

>>3234597
>important artifacts
>pair of imperial pleasure boats

Choose 1.

>>3234965
How can they be traitors when the US has recognized confederates as American veterans

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>>3235476
>Some of the biggest boats built in history
>literally the largest of their time
>floating palaces with modern plumbing, ceramic and marble tiles, statues, decorated with bronze, structures built on top, bigger than many modern vessels
>"unimportant"
Niggers like you are a worse cancer to /his/ than /pol/ is.

>>3235585
Because they killed other Americans in a war in America and were later re-integrated into America.

They still killed their countrymen. They fired the first shot. They chimped out when the North dared to ask that they modernize and not keep slavery around to embarrass the rest of us.

They're traitors.

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>>3234927

See >>3234965 why every last Yankee piece of shit deserves a one-way trip to a death camp.

Every singles fucking Northerner needs to be exterminated down to the last man, woman, and faggot pronoun. Death to the Union and death to ALL Unionists. Don't spare a single one or the vermin just spread.

>>3234879
You're a Jew attempting to shift white nationalist focus from antisemitic national socialism to Southern white identity, there is absolutely nothing Southern about you.

>>3235601
>claim to be the land of liberty
>don't allow its citizens a liberty to own other people or freedom to try to found their own nation

Sasuga yanks.

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>>3235642

Out the helicopter with you crypto-commie piece of shit

>>3235642
>there is absolutely nothing Southern about you.

31 of my ancestors fought in the Civil War, all for the Confederacy. How 'bout you nigger lover?

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>>3235668
As a southerner with a long and extensive southern heritage does that not make you far more likely to be racemixed? Sorry for washpo, cbf digging up the academic source

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>>3234597

>>3234597

They are apparently melting down some artifacts in Sweden from the Searaiders time period.

The reason given was that they have no room for the bloody things.

I have no fucking clue how you can treat your history like that

>>3234615
it's painfull really

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Reminder that Christians are no better than Muslims in terms of historical destruction and barbarism.

>>3234597
Everything, including the commie statues, to the Buddhist statues in Asia destroyed by isis

>>3235647
>positive Liberty
What a fucking joke

>MUH ICONS
Fuck off, pagans.

>>3235875
Icons belong destroyed, pagan. You are the barbarian.

>>3235875
500 years ago.

>>3234597
Eurangatans destroying African history

>>3234615

This, and I don't really even care about the middle east. You don't destroy statues thousands of years old, you just don't.

>>3235933
Why?

>>3235875
they only destroyed the ugly ones

>>3235875
delete this you fucking libtard cuck

>>3235930
How can you have history if it is never written down?

>>3235875
Yeah they were about equal in that regard in the middle ages. Sadly the Muslims stayed that way.

>>3234764
fuck it still hurts

>>3235943
Because it's something irreplaceable.

>>3235638
How's it feel being part of the Union, southerncuck? I realize most of your states are still shitholes but hey you did that to yourselves. Southerners. Not even once.

>>3234823
I think destroying them is stupid, but they should be put in museums.That's where they belong. They shouldn't be in parks or glorified. They're the statues of losers and traitors. Mostly traitors.

>>3235999
So? It's trash. Fucking emotional teenager.

>>3235760

None of my ancestors were retarded enough to lie with niggers (thankfully)

>>3236013
Get back to us when you have some industry and money to do it with, cottonboy.

>>3235601
>They chimped out when the North dared to ask that they modernize and not keep slavery around to embarrass the rest of us.

The hilarious part is that the North hadn't even asked anything of them. They lost their shit just because a guy was elected.

I'm sure there's no-one around like that today.

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>>3235875
Wrong. Muslims were infinitely better than Christians in the middle ages. Whilst Christians destroyed & burned countless works of antiqual writings and works and priceless discoveries because they thought they were heretical works of witchcraft, while they destroyed almost all remains of ancient Rome and even partially dismantled the Coliseum, razed the temple of Iupiter Optimus Maximus, quarried the Circus Maximus for marble and materials, toppled many of its columns, all orders from popes to build their own castles, and rented out its remaining structures as residences, Muslims treasured what they found of the antiquities. The writings of most ancient historians mathematicians philosophers and astronomers, most of their work, most of their writing, was translated and preserved by who? Muslims when they conquered Anatolia. They brought lost languages back to life, translated manuscripts, revived the works, translated them, made copies, and stored them in the largest library of its time that housed the largest number of scientists of different religions, speaking different languages, all under the same big roof. A gigantic 'university' if you may, called the House of Wisdom at Baghdad.
Alot of the books and writings were lost in the Mongol sack of baghdad, but Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, a Muslim scholar, managed to save ca. 400,000 manuscripts from the library before the siege, thankfully.
Artifacts and remains were also not tempered with by Muslims. Many Roman, Persian, Assyrian, the three grand Egyptians Pyramids that would've been quickly destroyed had they been in Europe by zealous Christians mistaking them for religious idols of pagans, survived for centuries among Muslims.

ISIS destroying Palmyra, fucking beheading the chief the 82 year old chief archeologist there, bulldozing nimrud, blowing up the mosque of Prophet Jonah in Mosul and ransacking the library there etc. etc.
When i heard that they had also trashed Dura Europos i got really upset. They claim to be returning to the ways of the prophet and his companions but why did those historical sites remain until today if the prophet and his companions hated them?

ISIS really are a symptom of destruction of history and historical awareness in the islamic world itself, which really makes me sad. The great Sufi traditions being disdained nowadays and people being so disoriented and unrooted in the modern world that they turn to senseless destruction and mass murder under the guise of "identity" instead of asking their grandparents about their traditions, culture and faith - it's a real tragedy.

In general so much history has been lost and/or pressed into the mould of modern ideologies to the point of losing its essence or becoming unrecognizable. That's probably what angers me the most.

>>3236133

Don't worry the writing is on the wall and they are all going to end up being tortured to death by the Syrians Iraqis and Iranians.

>>3235990
Wrong. See >>3236058

>>3236181
Oh sorry.

The Muslims were better than the Christians in the middle ages but then somehow went backwards in that regard while the Christians got better.

>>3236190
you're trying to make it sound stupid, that is literally what happened though. today's islamic extremism is a very recent phenomenon.

(i'm not the anon you're replying to btw)

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>>3236058
>Muslims when they conquered Anatolia brought technology
No they destroyed the civilization and killed hundreds of thousands of people(see pic related) that was already there and filled it with nomadic tribes. They preserved ancient writings in monasteries and in the eastern Roman Empire in libraries the ottomans destroyed the great library of Constantinople. However we Christians destroyed pagan temples and statues of pagan deities and replaced them top with churches.

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>>3236190
Oh sorry.

The Christians were better than the Muslims in the middle ages but then somehow went backwards in that regard while Muslims got better.

>>3236251
try to keep modern identity politics out of discussions of history. it's not as simple as muslims were good/bad, christians were good/bad. when you start saying "we" about people who lived 2000 years ago, that should be a sign that you're losing your objectivity.

>>3236296
>replying to low quality bait
Mistakes were made, anon.

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>>3236296
>oh sorry

>>3234965
>shouldn't reward failure
>what is the Vietnam memorial

>>3236262
If you're trying to condemn pedophilia I wouldn't make Islam your rallying point, friendo.

>>3236251
>Selectively mention the Ottoman destruction of the library of Constantinople (if anything of it was left than) while ignoring the previous crusade where the library was burnt down and all of Constantinople was sacked by crusaders in the name of Christendom
>Implying there was any civilization left in Anatolia after the dark ages aside from a mess of proto-slavic and turkic nomads and few remaining hellennes
Go back to /pol/ and stay there, thank you.
>>3236323
>pillaging happens in a pre-modern war
Gee who would've thought

>>3236348
>it's okay when muslim did it but never forgive christnianity!

>>3236355
It's not, asshole. I'm just casting light at how you use selective history (or maybe you're actually historically illiterate and unaware of the 4th crusade). You're biased, an automatically disqualified from the arguing table.

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>>3236348
There was plenty of civilization in Anatolia during the Byzantine era. Even after the Arabs depopulated cappadocia it was recovered . Pic related was a city with an estimated population of 100,000 before it was completely decimated by alp arslan.

>>3236364
I don't consider Armenia a part of Anatolia. Armenia and Cappadoccia remained largely integral over history, Anatolia was not. Centuries of Galatian celts and a pour of travelling nomads from the east largely depopulated it.

>>3236389
That was way before the romans. The galatians were assimilated into the byzantine greek population by the time of the seljuk invasion which supposedly enriched anatolia.
The cities of manzikert and ani would be considered eastern anatolia i believe.

>>3236339
If you're trying to condemn pedophilia I wouldn't make Christianism your ralling point, friendo.

>>3236389
are you fucking retarded?
thats completely wrong
first of all Cappadoccia is right in the middle of Anatolia. It is Anatolian. Anatolia was not "depopulated" to any degree that would make it less significant than Armenia. Ephesus as a center of early Christianity is a prime example of how wrong you are.

>>3236404
This post is so fucking retarded I'm not even going to bother because I know you're the same retard who who was talking about constantinople judging by your comment about Ephesus.
Seriously, who make being a sperglord so hard for yourself? You won't have any trouble at /pol/, you'll find a whole infestation of baboons who will jerk you off. Go there, stay there.

All things turn to dust anons. Don't cry over spilt milk.

>>3236002
Most confederate staues are memorials to those that died in the war.

>>3236058
Muslims pulled the polished casing stones off the pyramids to build mosques. They wanted to completely dismantle them, but were worse engineers than 3000bc Egyptians.

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>>3236002
>I realize most of your states are still shitholes but hey you did that to yourselves.
AYO HOL UP SO U BE SAYIN WE WUZ SOUTHERNERZ TOO?

>>3236592
>pulled
Nice way to spell salvage them after earthquakes
The only time Muslims ever pulled something out of the Pyramids was in the 19th century, when a few tiles were pulled or salvaged from around the great pyramid. Otherwise anyone who tampered or damaged the important structures was tried like a criminal
>They even tried to completely dismantle them
Source amigo?

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>>3236330
My sides
It's so funny because it's a great point. Personally I believe that all the statues should be up. It preserves history and opens discussion for newer generations when they see them.

>>3236614
Pyramids were complete, minus gold caps and burial treasure, during the Roman era.

Muslims in Egypt were burning mummies for camp fuel until enlightenment era EUROPEAN Christians got them to stop.

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>>3234597

statues should be replaced with their superior northern conquerors.

Like Farragut(for new orleans), Grant, and Sherman(for atlanta and south carolina).

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not only was Temple II a neat building, but we would have been spared the development of Rabbinical Judaism

>>3236013
DO IT AGAIN SHERMAN

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>>3234597
Americans bombing my city into oblivion during WWII without having a good strategic reason to do so.

>>3234597
Livy to be honest

>>3236866
Because at the time we could do it without any major reproductions, and who would turn down an opportunity like that? :^)

>>3236058
>destroying icons is bad
Fuck off romaboo retard. Confirmation bias is sweet, isn't it?

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>>3236733
DELET

>>3236905
Don't you have some pagan monuments to blow up, abdul?

>>3236005
I bet you think dada is the finest expression of the human mind keke

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>Some LARPing southerner shitting up the thread because a war he never participated in didn't go in his ancestor's favor making him assblasted 150 years later
It's always someone from the south who brings up that long buried war.

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>>3236674
>enlightenment era european christians
Don't you mean the same people who were actively ripping bits out of OP's pic and selling it to rich locals
The same people that rented out most of the coliseum and circus maximus as apartments
The same people that dismantled most of remaining roman structures to build their own shit

>>3235875
>Christians 900 years ago are as bad as Muslims today
whoa... how can Christians ever recover

>>3236581
And the statues of the confederate leaders who sent those soldiers to die, in order to protect their own aristocracy?

Because those are the ones that come up in discourse and news pieces. There was a draft where you could literally pay to have somebody poorer do it for you ffs.

Northerners had to literally burn everything in their path to because the southern aristocracy was prepared to go full Nihon pride on a lost war. That's how dead the common man was to the aristocratic slave owner.

>>3234764
Fake. The real statues were sold.

>>3237065
>the north was good boys, they dindu nuffin
>it was your southern aristocracy fault that we burned down your homes and confiscated your farmland
>you arent allowed to be mad that northern officers where awarded with the lands of both southern aristocracy and sharecropers alike because you guys fired the first hot

Fucking christ, we got facefucked for attepting to gain the sovereignty to deal with issues like the ethical treatment of slaves and states rights for ourselves and 150 years later you guys are practically telling us to thank the North for the opportunity. This shit is why we still have deep and long-lasting tension between people who identify with the confederacy and asshats like you who dismiss our concerns because we lost a war fucking generations ago.

>>3236933
I'm not a snackbar
>>3236941
It's not. 'muh shitty pagan statues' isn't art. Do you even know the verse the video is referring to?

All monists have a duty to iconoclasm. >>3237028
As they should have.

>>3237260
If you're gonna rebel you better make sure that you'll be able to win, m8. Cuz if you don't you only have yourself to blame when the victors make sure that you won't be able to try that shit ever again.

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>>3237265
>"History never existed, mono-culture now" Ultra-revisionism is a good enough excuse to erase thousands of years of humans expressioning their values/interpretation of self/beauty/spirituality/attempts to explain a mysterious and captivating existence/attempts at gleaming an explanation of consciousness and the human condition/recounting of the events that impacted their lives/every fucking thing imaginable that gives human life ANY MEANING.

Leave /his/ and never come back you edgy little worthless fuck.

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>>3235665

>>3237288
>everything people do during/after a war is completely justified

Ok, now you are just being edgy

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>>3234597
sistine chapel ceiling was cleaned with a harsh chemical 'like oven cleaner'. The restorers took for granted that all of the layers of grease and soot on the ceiling were the result of candle smoke. Michelangelo used carbon black in a wash of glue to lay on shadows and crisp dark definition, a secco. All the detail was removed

>>3237296
Looks better now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_cultural_heritage_by_ISIL

>>3237290
WAAAAAH DONT CRITICIZE MUH ANHISTORICAN CIRCLEJERK
>MUH HUMAN CONDITION
Doesn't exist, memelord.
>MUH MEANING
Fuck off, humanist.

>>3237303
her eyes have been rubbed off

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>>3237265
I don't even know what goes through this autist's head that justifies him coming to /his & humanities/.

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>>3237303
The colors, sure, but they just stripped it down to the Fresco layer. By doing so, they stripped away all a secco additions by Michelangelo.
What that means is that they totally ruined the art work from a conservational standpoint. They took away details made by the artist, including eyes and shadows which can never be put back.

They destroyed any chance at making it how Michelangelo made it, and now, in order to fix it, they'd have to stray away from the acceptable guidelines of conservation and add new paint.
They EASILY could have taken away the soot and left the a secco wash.

>>3236614
Serious question, why and how do you think muslim world changed from, as you say, preserving ancient monuments to destruction of anything non-muslim seen with the talibans and the ISIS today?

>>3236674

>Enlightenment era Europeans

You mean the people who were grinding up mummies and eating the powder as a magical medicine?

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>>3237358
>muh edgy nihlism is EPIK i sure showed those 4CHANNERS my PICKLE RICK xD
How does it feel to be the emotional and intellectual equal of a Berber tribesman fucking his goat?

>>3237445
I'm not a nihilist you redditor.

No child, you are the idiot. Iconoclasm is a vocation.

>>3234597
Fall of Ctesiphon.

>>3236364
That's fucking cool. What city?

>>3237449
You actually sound fucking retarded. Kill yourself.

>>3237437
The Salafi movement, which is fairly recent.

>>3237987
>ANYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS LE RETARD
Smash yrself, Pagan.

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Ancien egyptian fapping art destroyed by confused egyptologists

>>3236397
>Implying any of those freaks in your pic are Christians.

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>>3237449
>iconoclasm is a vocation

You realize that vocation is connotative with a higher calling, right? Like when clergy artists and other people whose careers where non-productive and whose only purpose was to further our understanding of the human condition, they considered it their "vocation." You are literally using the reason most people have to create works of art and other cultural relics as an excuse to destroy them.

I dont see how you dont understand why you consider your "vocation" to be anything but edgy nihilistic hypocrisy.

>>3239891
Yes I do, you illiterate sperglord. I am generally extremely picky about my choice of words. Please go back to /b/. There is no such thing as the 'human condition', that's a lame grEEK meme.

Smash yrself

>>3235665
smells like jew around here

>>3234617
Like the preservation of library at alexandria?

>>3237437
Because it is a required duty in Islam, not confirmed though and might've been added to Islamic laws much later (the destruction of other religious idols that reject monotheism).
Even though most Muslims believe this to be a real law (if you haven't noticed they don't keep statues at their homes because of the same law, and in most of their countries they don't build statues of living creatures) Muslims are sloppy on carrying out that law (like they are on most of Islam, if Muslims were to actually do all what Islam orders them, they'd be living like robots).
>>3240754
>selective historian back at it again

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>>3235601
I don't believe the US has made coins recognizing the valor for the rosenbergs, Benedict arnold, and Lee Harvey oswald

>>3240769
So they did not burn it down? Or destroy Buddha statues or roman temples and structures in Palmyra? Please list what they've perserved? The Kab bah which is justreappropiated pagan structure

>>3236013
You're not going to do shit, you pussy faggot.

Even if shit was going to happen, you wouldn't be there to do a god damn thing, you fucking neckbeard pussy.

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>>3239875
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent
>english had an age of consent of 10-12

>>3237065
You realize paying to get out of the draft happened in the union also right?

>>3234823
>stop government sanctioned hero worship of traitors to the Union by moving Confederate statues to museums, ceasing to fly Confederate flags in government buildings and changing street names
>Muh historical destruction

Fuck off you piece of shit hick

nice, another thread that's devolved into /pol/ shitflinging

>>3234597
Some faggot developer wants to buy up a scenic park in my hometown which almost certainly is the location of a lost 17th century English settlement

>>3235930
The worst was done by muslim niggers to muslim niggers with the destruction of the library and university of Timbuktu

>>3237291
does that violate the NAP?

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>>3240793
>what they preserved
Everything what ISIS is destroying right now was being preserved by Muslims (webm related)
Stop being a deranged autist.

>>3240872
>A community is not allowed to have pride in local noteworthy men if it offends some dickheads thousands of miles away and never take into consideration that their fears of forever being branded as racists and traitors is solidified when these are the only reasons most people can actually give for removing a piece of local history.

While we are at it, that jesus statue has been really judgy as of late and its making me uncomfortable, plus the Christian conquistadors where litteraly murderers and rapists so it would only make sense if we removed a problematic icon that represents their faith. This is a tolerant and progressive world, so we must take down the symbols that non-conformative groups identify with and drag their names into the mud because that is the only way to preserve the RIGHT kind of history.

>>3241223
*that jesus statue overlooking Rio de Janeiro

Not really sure why that fell off.

none of them really lol

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>>3234615
As an Assyrian, this. The Arabization/Islamization of our land is disgusting. There are Kurdish/Assyrian villages that will never be returned to their ancient names because Arab fascists destroyed the records and Arabized them all. The Arabization has been so successful most people call Êzidîs Yazidis. My family still speaks Aramaic and it's sad to say we'll never have an Aramaic speaking country not to mention Western Aramaic being completely extinct.

>>3234615
This. Fucking isil/deash or how you call them

>>3240829
>catholic
Adolescent boys, not pedophilia
12 isn't pedophilia

Try again, mahometan.

>>3241113
Is it cuz I called the Kabbah a pagan structure that triggered you? It is sorry to upset you but the truth will set you free

>>3241243
>Arab fascists
God, don't you just love buzzwords?

>>3241417
Baathism isn't Arab fascism? You do know it's main inspirations were Stalin and Hitler, right? Saddam Hussein was an Arab fascist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba'athist_Arabization_campaigns_in_North_Iraq

>>3241555
Ba'athism =/= Fascism

>>3235875
DELETE THIS8

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>>3241580
Like saying
>maoism =/= communism

Just because its done by a different culture and has one or two of the planks changed to fit the will of its propagator doesn't mean it isnt pretty much the exact same thing wearing a different hat. If the intent is the same, the methods is the same and the outcome is at least comparable, than it is reasonable to say that they are at the very least related.