>Lets replace that failed multiethnic state with two new multiethnic

>>3234138
>multiethnic states are destined to fall
>>>/pol/

>>3234173
>Multiethnic states should not be called empires

Austria Hungary was pretty functional as far as multiethnic states go. Late 19th century Vienna was probably the comfiest place in the universe, ever.

>>3234173
History has proven that multiethnic states are doomed to fail, faster than non multiethnic states

>>3234173
If they are centralized states, then yes.

>>3234198
Proven how? Multi-ethnic states have lasted for centuries, and some for over a thousand years.

>>3234184
The whole "AH was a shit state" meme is ridiculous. Vienna was the cultural and scientific center of the world during its peak.

>>3234138
Surely, you understand the difference between Austria-Hungary, where many ethnicities live among the two dominant ones, and Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, where the Slavic nations united under the influence of pan-Slavism and simple pragmatism. The State of the Slovenes, Croats and Serbs united as a confederacy that united South Slavs living in former Austrian-Hungarian territories on the basis of the former May declaration which envisioned the South Slavic lands of the Austrian-Hungarian crown united into a single autonomous polity. But as the empire had fallen and the newly founded, unrecognised country found itself in conflict with Italy and Austria, it was necessary to seek unity with the Kingdom of Serbia. This union provided both Slovenes and Croats with much more autonomy than existence under the old crown.

>>3234179

> Empire of Canada

has a good ring to it.

>>3234138
Why is Carpathian Ruthenia marked wrong?

>>3234138
Czechoslovakia was fine until the Nazis came around and fucked everything up.

>>3234266
>being slaves to Serbs
>better than living under Habsburgs

>>3234330
Politically, it may have been a Serbian hegemony but Alexander I promoted the creation of a united Yugoslav identity, with the repression only increasing after the establishment of the dictatorship. While the situation was not perfect and Slovene, Croatian and Bosnian politicians opposed the official policies on many occasions, the new rule still allowed much more freedoms for national development. To give an example, a university was founded in Ljubljana in 1919, a century after the first one founded under French rule had been closed.

>>3234266
In a way the panslavic states were worse because they tried to force an artificial identity which never really existed.

>>3234323
And why did they fuck it up? Because 3 million germans lived there.

>>3234444
It was never forced to a great extent.

>>3234449
Yes, and the Germans got fanatized similarly to those in Germany, while those who didn't agree got ostracized by the community through the NSDAP - when a leading party from Germany supports insurgents in Czechoslovakia, with no other power giving a shit, the insurgents are going to gain power.
Doesn't mean the Germans weren't doing fine and weren't part of normal society until then.

>>3234458
Czechoslovakia was doomed either way, the nazis only made it happen sooner.

>>3234449

Hitler destroyed the rest of Czechoslovakia AFTER he had already incorporated the Sudetenland

>>3234534
there wasnt any other way how could be Czechoslovakia destroyed.

>>3234198
most countries are multiethnic states though

>>3234550
It had 5-6 different ethnic groups, there are a thousand different ways it could have been destroyed

>>3234629
>It had 5-6 different ethnic groups
yeah, those 3,39 % Rusyns, 1,33 % Jews and 0,56% Poles were literally taking over the country
Poláci – 0,56 % (1921)

>>3234751
Czechs, slovaks, germans, hungarians and east slavs(whatever you call them).
The poles were few but did partake in the partition which is why i said 5-6.

>>3234629
The hell does that have to do with ethnic groups - of course there were a thousand different ways that state could have ended, just like any other state. It was working, in regards to it's multiethnicity. The only seriously unhappy minority were the hungarians, but nobody really gave a shit about them.
t. descendant of a German family who grew up in Sudetenland and is a fan of history of his region.

>>3234985
Okay, maybe Czechoslovakia could have survived but there is no doubt that groups like ETA or IRA would have started meaning there would still be bloodshed.

>>3235056
meant to respond to >>3235012

>>3235056
>Even comparing Slovaks to IRA or ETA
Both only exist because of quite literal centuries of grudges, Czechoslovakia was like 20 years old when it got KRAUTED

>>3235012
>descendant of a German family who grew up in Sudetenland
I have questions for you as a person who isn't from that area.
Did the average sudeten Germans actually collaborate with the Czechs, learn their language and respect the Czechoslovak state?
Or did they think they were superior to Slavs and that they should be under German rule and refuse to consider Czechs as equals?

>>3234198
History has proven thst all states are doomed to fail, retard

>>3235081
>learn their language
Not him but if you live in the most german border areas then there is not much reason to learn czech.

>>3234449
The german minority had some of the best minority protections in Europe. They were not persecuted. The only thing you post tells is is that predatory states will use irredentism as an excuse to destroy other states

>>3234534
>doomed
>*survives a half century more after expelling german minority*
What did he mean bu this?

>>3235089
If it's the official language, yes. Also you might actually need it when traveling to other part of the country or for business with people from the Czech regions or other non-Germans parts.
>but educated Czech already knew German
Yes, but I think this is also a matter of respect. If Czech can learn another language so can Germans living in the same country.

>>3235143
>If it's the official language, yes. Also you might actually need it when traveling to other part of the country or for business with people from the Czech regions or other non-Germans parts.
Yes but if you already know german than you can just travel across the border unless that in itself is an issue and most people (especially during this era) will stay in their own region most of the time.

>>3235114
Communist dictatorships do not put as much emphasis on ethnicity.

>>3235109
welltreated minority=/=happy minority

>>3235174
Germans are never happy, even under other Germans all they do is complain

>>3235185
You are always happier under your own roof.

>>3235200
Germans would just complain that the roof isn't good enough

>>3235185
>>3235216
t. czech

>>3235216
Then you work to fix the roof

>>3235238
Too hard, just invade another country and steal their roof instead

>>3235248
Well they did do a pretty good job of fixing it after WW2

>>3235256
>Roof from American charity

>>3235271
Britain, France etc. also received american aid and were not completely destroyed by WW2 but Germany still managed to get a nicer roof.

>>3235081
>collaborate
Its called not being terrorist

>>3234198
Nation-states are actually a minority of currently existing countries.

>>3235200
absolutely not. the Austrians AND sudeten Germans were expecting Nazis to be a panacea to all their economic, cultural and societal ills, but it turns out that being under a totalitarian dictatorship isn't all that great!

>>3235143
Matter of respect? Kek. Do dog owners learn to bark and rollover and piss on their belongings?

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>>3234138
>Austro-Hungarian Empire.
>Failed Multiethnic State.

Failed? According to who?

Oh that's right, according to the people who worked to ruin it in the first place. Pic related

I'm glad most of them got commie'd and reduced to shitholery. Serves them right.