Did the US handled the Korean war poorly? Massive bombings (with

>>3233867
Did the US handle the
-Korean
-Vietnam
-Iraq/Iran
-The war in drugs
-The war on terrorism
Poorly? YES

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>>3234546

>>3233867
We should've just nuked both North Korea and South Korea and China as well.

>>3234546
>Vietnam
Difficult terrain, no clear enemy or objective, lack of moral, lack of interest
>war on terrorism
Terrible ROE getting our guys killed, no clear objective, tactic of training rebels does more harm than good.

Don't know enough about the others to want to argue them but thats why Vietnam and the war on terror are failures.

>>3233867
Considering that the outcome resulted in the armistice we have today, yes, poorly.

China's entry to the war resulted in a political capitulation. MacArthur might not have been correct, but neither was the dickless President.

If we won completely, there wouldn't be a North Korea.

If we lost completely, there wouldn't be a South Korea.

Also, MacArthur was a moron.

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>>3237089
If we left it the fuck alone there would be one tiny Communist nation allowed to thrive and trade

OH MERCIFUL HEAVENS

>>3233867
It was basically America's own attempt at imperialism.

>>3237142
Way too close to Japan.
And it would just end up North Korea, but bigger. A disgusting Communistic dictatorship full of miserable Chinks.
We could've done better, but leaving it alone was not the answer.

>>3237089
>Also, MacArthur was a moron.
Why? He wanted to drop 20 nukes on China.

>>3237142
I'm not seeing the issue, many of those countries had to be liberated from authoritarian regimes.

>>3237142
>thrive

>>3237149
>Hey MacArthur, don't come near the Yalu River or China will attack
>Oh okay
>MacArthur seriously don't touch the Yalu River
>Oh no worries dude
>MacArthur I'm serio--
>*6 gorrilian Chinese attack*
>DUDE THIS CAME OUT OF NOWHERE
>MacArthur you were told--
>HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THE CHINESE WOULD ATTACK
>MacArthur you--
>I DIDN'T PREPARE FOR THIS AT ALL WE ARE SCREWED
>MacArth--
>WE NEED TO NUKE CHINA
>You're fired.

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>>3237149
and to think we live in a world where this didn't happen

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>>3233867
>South Korea flourishing free country with large economy
>North Korea starving peasants, brutal absolutist dictatorship, socialism, gommunism,

>>3237269
North Korea is not socialist or communist, it is state capitalist.

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>>3237278
But thats not true socialism

>>3237184
>WE NEED TO NUKE CHINA

he was right though, literally all the problems we have now would have been solved

>>3237142

>Kuwait

Um...

>>3237519
If the US got raped by Vietnam, they'd stand absolutely no chance against China

>>3237184
China would have attacked anyway. It was an utter failure to appease the Chinese rather than punish them. ROE was to have aircraft fight at the yalu but not cross it. Korean fighters just turned slightly north to escape.

This fear of China is why Korea is still fucked up.

>>3237708
>the US got raped by Vietnam

k lol

>>3237269
South Korea is a terrorist nation exporting explosive washing machines to unsuspecting innocents

>>3233867

It was handled well enough, depending on the goal. As with many things during the Cold War, the goal changed before the conflict did.

In Korea, the initial response was containing communism and to this end MacArthur wanted to use nuclear weapons to crave a path to Beijing. Truman rejected this idea and fired him since that idea would have started WW3 (as the Soviets would respond by invading Western Germany, likely using their own nuclear weapons too). The conflict was locked into the present stalemate, although the situation dramatically improved after Nixon got China to open up to the west. The 1989 Tianeneman Square Massacre chilled things for a bit but by 2000 trade relations were totally normalized.

>>3238871
Truman rolled over as soon as China entered the war. Absolute political leadership failure.

China had already massed 6 million people at the border long before MacArthur neared the Yalu.

>>3239497
t. macarthur

>>3239517
>blaming MacArthur when China was planning on invading anyway

>>3237142
>1999

We are still infinitely grateful. Thank you ju es ej.

t. Kosovar

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>>3233867
>Did the US handled the Korean war poorly?

"The [Communist] offensive began on 22 April [1951], but had already been halted by the 30th, with 70,000 casualties, Seoul still out of reach, and the advance in the central sector blunted after 40 miles by the stand of the 29th British Bde at Imjin.

On 17 May pressure switched to the east in the Second Spring Offensive, with 21 Chinese divisions and two North Korean Armies, but after four days and 90,000 casualties the advanced petered out.

The Chinese were shattered, and realized that even their virtually unlimited human resources could not overcome the murderous UN firepower.

They retreated as the UN counter-attacked, to a secure line just inside North Korea, saved from humiliating defeat by UN reluctance to invade North Korea again, and by the hope of an [Soviet sponsored] armistice as peace talks opened."

-- The Korean War 1950-53 - Thomas & Abbot, 1986 --

Had Truman not been suckered by the Stalin into peace talks and instead, advanced again into North Korea, the Chinese would have collapsed and been rolled back over the Yalu River.

The peace talks, of which the Chinese, N.Koreans and Soviets had no intention of agreeing to, allowed the spent and broken Communist forces in Korea who could not be reinforced and resupplied in the face of American airpower, time to rebuild and resupply, leading to the brutal and pointless WWI-type trench warfare that would define the Korean War from then on.

Truman was a pussy and we could have won and now we're paying the price.

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>>3237184
> Hey MacArthur, don't come near the Yalu River or China will attack

Absolute nonsense, the UN plan was to liberate the entirety of the Korean Peninsula right up to the Yalu River and the U.S. State Dept. didn’t have a fucking clue as to what was going on in China at the time.

It was in fact MacArthur who began informing Truman that more and more Chinese “volunteers” were being encountered in late 1950, just before the tidal wave of Chinese hordes poured over the border and took him and everybody else by surprise.

>WE NEED TO NUKE CHINA

You’re fired, I need a fall guy to blame for my monumental fuck ups.
t. Truman

>>3239910
Yea, let's start a nuclear war! No way that could have negative consequences!

>>3239884
>those two years of stalemate
What the fuck? Did it turn into World War 1-style trench warfare?

>>3239981
Yes, except with jets flying overhead.

>>3239991
That's metal as fuck

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>>3239952
> Yea, let's start a nuclear war! No way that could have negative consequences!

There was no need for nukes, (MacArthur was covering his ass) a conventional bombing campaign against Chinese logistic lines and supply dumps in northern China would have resulted in the Communist forces in Korea dying on the vine.

They had already been smashed to shit by the U.S. by early summer 1951 and there was no way the Chinese could resupply and reinforce their remaining troops with the U.S. controlling the skies.

That was exactly the time to launch a U.S. offensive against the Communists.

And before you say “muh Soviet nukes!”, their first nuke test happened only three years prior and the second wouldn't happen until Sept. 1951. The best they could do was rattle their sabers in Eastern Europe but they knew if push came to shove, the U.S. would nuke fuck out of them.

>>3239981
> What the fuck? Did it turn into World War 1-style trench warfare?

Yes, thanks to Truman. The Korean war could have been over by 1952, freeing the entire Korean Peninsula, if he hadn’t take Stalin’s bait of a cease fire, that only allowed the Communists to reinforce their troops and drag the war out for another three years and in fact, right up to today.

>>3239884
Oh wow if only the UN could pressure the front which will hypotetically drive China out of the war just like Manstein thought that he almost won Kursk even though he's looking at 2 million Russian behind the salient

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>>3240094

The U.S. wasn’t Germany and the Chinese weren’t the Soviets.

U.S. and Allied strength in Korea was growing every day, while the Chinese could barely supply their remaining troops with food and ammo, most of which they were literally carrying on their backs.

The Korean War was more like WWII German vs. 1917 Imperial Russia and would have been a cake walk if Manstein had been in charge.

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>>3238871
>In Korea, the initial response was containing communism

No it wasn't, the stated goal by the UN was liberating all of Korea from the Communists.

It was only after Truman fucked up, that the U.S. adopted the disastrous strategy of "containment" (i.e. giving the enemy the initiative) that would haunt us in Vietnam and elsewhere until the Reagan reforms.

>>3240126
>being this delusional

Wow, it's little history-boi's furst post on 4Chan! Good jowb, widdle history major! Weel gud jowb!

Too bad you're still retarded. The situation isn't just far more comparable than you think, it's almost exactly the same. The Allies's coalition logistics line was straining just like the Ostheer's, meanwhile China, just like the Soviet Union, was just fine. Not to mention their supplies and technology provided by the Soviets not only rivaled but predominantly BTFO'd regular Allied equipment on any day of the week. Anyone who honestly thinks the U.S. had a chance in the Cold War,
much less the Korean War, is legitimately a retarded womyn.

>inb4 muh Manstein
EXTREMELY overrated general with little to no merit under his belt.

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>>3238061
>China would have attacked anyway.

True, the U.S. should have been prepared for that just in case but we thought that after the warlords, Japanese and civil war, the Chinese were in no condition to attack outside China and because of the Communist take over, we didn’t know WTF was going on over there anyway.

>>3240190
America didn't even have a clear policy on Korea, wasn't even included in the ADP, the only reason they really gave a shit was because it's near Japan. I can't find a single shred of evidence that it was US policy to unite the peninsula anywhere except in MacArthurs own mind

>>3233867
Watch this interview with Bruce Cumings, it's a good overview
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba3dgDUtE9A (1:00)
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KCBH2QVLok (1:00)

>>3237269
South Korea was just as bad if not worse of a dictatorship, ironically North Korean subversion probably backfired and played a factor in liberalizing South Korea by the 90s.
You got to remember North Korea was the second most industrialized nation in East Asia, after Japan, well into the 1970s but then they decided to go full "Juche" and try to become independent in producing everything themselves and that fucked themselves up real bad. Kim Il-Sung became delusional and didn't understand they were falling behind so bad but it wasn't until the soviet subsidies were cut off that they totally began to collapse into the shitshow they are today.

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>>3240201

>Anyone who honestly thinks the U.S. had a chance in the Cold War, much less the Korean War, is legitimately a retarded womyn.

What did you mean by this?

>>3240081
Why USA use the word "freeing" while invading other countries?

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>>3240201
> Wow, it's little history-boi's furst post on 4Chan! Good jowb, widdle history major! Weel gud jowb!

And I’m the immature one here?

> The Allies's coalition logistics line was straining

Son, it was 1950, the U.S. was literally the one and only WORLD FUCKING POWER.

> meanwhile China, just like the Soviet Union, was just fine.

Yes, because after decades of warlordism, a civil war, getting raped by the Japanese in WWII, then fighting another civil war, the Chinese were just fine...

> Not to mention their supplies and technology provided by the Soviets not only rivaled but predominantly BTFO'd regular Allied equipment

lol

>>3240201
Chinese forces when they entered the Korean War were not well equipped, a lot of them didn't even have boots

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>>3240201

>Anyone who honestly thinks the U.S. had a chance in the Cold War,
>much less the Korean War, is legitimately a retarded womyn.

I have some bad news Comrade

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>>3240217
> I can't find a single shred of evidence that it was US policy to unite the peninsula anywhere except in MacArthurs own mind

http://www.refworld.org/docid/3b00f1e60.html

UN General Assembly, The problem of the independence of Korea, 7 October 1950

(a) A Commission consisting of Australia, Chile, Netherlands, Pakistan, Philippines, Thailand and Turkey, to be known as the United Nations Commission for the Unification and Rehabilitation of Korea, be established to (i) assume the functions hitherto exercised by the present United Nations Commission on Korea; (ii) represent the United Nations in bringing about the establishment of a unified, independent and democratic government of all Korea; (iii) exercise such responsibilities in connexion with relief and rehabilitation in Korea as may be determined by the General Assembly after receiving the recommendations of the Economic and Social Council. The United Nations Commission for the Unification and Rehabilitation of Korea should proceed to Korea and begin to carry out its functions as soon as possible;

(b) Pending the arrival in Korea of the United Nations Commission for the Unification and Rehabilitation of Korea, the governments of the States represented on the Commission should form an Interim Committee composed of representatives meeting at the seat of the United Nations to consult with and advise the United Nations Unified Command in the light of the above recommendations; the Interim Committee should begin to function immediately upon the approval of the present resolution by the General Assembly;

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>>3240262
>Why USA use the word "freeing" while invading other countries?

Because it was the Communists who invaded South Korea.

>>3240262

Well, in this case, you only have to look at the state of the north, and the state of the south. Which would you say is free?

>>3240126
The point is you cant just assume the Chinese would intensely be btfo'd if just a little more pressure because they were stretched out
Even if they were a global power 1950's America was not even half of WW2 America,they were facing against a force who had been in civil war for 2 years,have the most basic of forces,with mortars as artillery and air support from Russians and still managed to drive them out of North Korea and manage a stalemate

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>>3240358
>The point is you cant just assume the Chinese would intensely be btfo'd if just a little more pressure because they were stretched out

Yes, in fact you can, as the Chinese had shot their wad on 1951 and without the time to recoup that Stalin's cease fire provided, they'd have been rolled right back across the Yalu.

Truman got suckered.

>>3240255
Clever! But seriously, kill yourself!

>>3240263
>Son, it was 1950, the U.S. was literally the one and only WORLD FUCKING POWER.
Muh superpower meme.
Literally the Soviet Union could 1 v everyone else in 1950. We had a thread on Operation Unthinkable the other day. Maybe if you spent more than two of the three brain cells you had on reading and information comprehension, you could deduce that the status of "superpower" is nothing more than an arbitrary title meant to inspire psychological superiority into your population, I.e. PROPOGANDA.

>Yes, because after decades of warlordism, a civil war, getting raped by the Japanese in WWII, then fighting another civil war, the Chinese were just fine...

>thinking that conflict, internal or external, has ever affected China's ability to wage war
Literally crying of laughter right now.
You're the kind of shit who would join the Nazis in 1941 because
>lol they pushed back the Russians and BTFO'd join the winning side bro

>>3240270

Unequivocally false. Pick up a book.

>>3240271
>bad news comrade
>shows picture of Berlin Wall falling
>Soviets lost because of this?

Is this the face of mental retardation?

>>3239999
Quads of truth

>>3240329
West Korea

>>3240463
Nobody tell him the Soviet Union fell in the 90's

>>3240440
Any evidence pointing this out anon,troop numbers,position etc

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>>3240463
>Unequivocally false
The majority wore canvas shoes fuckwit, this is historically attested, nobody but you even questions that fact

>>3240497

I provided a cite up-thread, do your own leg work.

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>North Korea was granted by the Soviet Union all the tools and equipment to build a modern army.
>This gets destroyed.

>This is saved by- of all things- a Chinese infantry army to whom even the truck was a luxury.

>>3240515
it only show that China had a supply problem beyond the 38th Parallel,it doesn't mention the allied predicament in supplying its own or how the rough Korean terrain prohibits large scale advances towards well established front lines, which the Chinese knew and one of the reason why they abandoned some grounds after their 2nd phase offensive

>>3240529
>If the Soviets weren't being autistic and boycotting the UN NK would have won

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>>3240463
The Chinese army entered North Korea entirely on foot.
>Immediately on his return to Beijing on 18 October 1950, Zhou met with Mao Zedong, Peng Dehuai, and Gao Gang, and the group ordered two hundred thousand Chinese troops to enter North Korea, which they did on 25 October.[190] UN aerial reconnaissance had difficulty sighting PVA units in daytime, because their march and bivouac discipline minimized aerial detection.[191] The PVA marched "dark-to-dark" (19:00–03:00), and aerial camouflage (concealing soldiers, pack animals, and equipment) was deployed by 05:30. Meanwhile, daylight advance parties scouted for the next bivouac site. During daylight activity or marching, soldiers were to remain motionless if an aircraft appeared, until it flew away;[191] PVA officers were under order to shoot security violators. Such battlefield discipline allowed a three-division army to march the 460 km (286 mi) from An-tung, Manchuria, to the combat zone in some 19 days. Another division night-marched a circuitous mountain route, averaging 29 km (18 mi) daily for 18 days.[64]

They had little in terms of transport except a scant number of trucks until 1951 when Stalin dumped them shitloads of trucks. They even manhandled their own artillery pieces themselves by breaking them down into components and hanging them on poles, just like the Vietcong did later (hell, Chinks taught them that, a trick from the long march).

>>3236648
Trump would say he's right though.

>>3240552
Trump thinks MacArthur was a good general, his opinion on the matter is worthless

>>3237269
>NK on par with SK until the 70's, when it started to stagnate
>despite the fact that the US had bombed 99% of the North's infrastructure, and killed almost 1/5th of its entire population
>almost entire developed world has been waging an economic war against them, with extremely limited support from China as its only reprieve
Yeah makes me wonder why they're all batshit and despise the US (and everyone else).

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>>3233867

>>3233867
On that note, how were the war crimes during that war? I understand the US did a lot of bombings, but that's the same with Harris and LeMay from the previous war. Didn't the south do a lot of massacres? How about the north? I heard they had some POW issues, but some of their officers were nice guys who were against it but had little control.

>>3240588
LeMay's own estimates were that UN bombings killed "20 percent of the population". The air campaign in Korea was on a whole other level compared to WW2.

>>3240201
>Wow, it's little history-boi's furst post on 4Chan! Good jowb, widdle history major! Weel gud jowb!

embarrassing

>>3240567
>inb4 that pornhub search activity map with a single blip for Ass in NK

>>3240588
Republic of Korea especially committed a large number of war crimes and mass political killings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goyang_Geumjeong_Cave_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namyangju_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mungyeong_Massacre

many South Korean politicians and soldiers defected to North Korea in the early stages of the war, and that may have provided the impetus for these acts.

>>3240567
>He doesn't know about the North Korean underground cities
They've already made contact with the Hollow Earth civilizations

>>3237283
its just as socialist as it is a peoples republic

>>3240201
nearly all of what you wrote is wrong though

>>3234546
we won't handle today's war poorly however