What happens if the Germans somehow win at stalingrad? Do they

>>3228383
>a ruined city and still many many angry russians on your flanks

>>3228383
If they secure the oilfields intact then they stand a chance. If not, they're still fucked anyway. They would just last longer. Perhaps until 1946 or even 1947.

All that happens is that the Wallies have to move the offensive into Italy farther east.

I suspect that Manstein's stock would have risen enormously at Vinnitsa and he would have been given a carte Blanche by the Fuhrer to conclude the War with Russia by 1944.

However, the problem is that FDR and Churchill would have used any means necessary to keep the Red Army afloat, including moving the Italian front to the Caucasus. That would have taken time, but given Allied dominance in sealift, it could have been done.

>>3228383
Well, it would help secure their line on the Volga and brace for a Soviet counterattack; but remember, the fighting at the city was mostly there to help hold up the flank for the main operation driving towards Baku.

It probably wouldn't have made all that much difference in the grand scheme of things. Uranus didn't counterattack near the city itself, but the very stretched out flanks to the north and south.

>>3228758
That doesn't strike me as likely. First off, to land in the Caucasus at all requires securing Istanbul and getting into the black sea. The Turks historically weren't breaking from their neutrality like that until the writing was clearly on the wall for Germany, and I can't see them breaking it in this better German outcome. That means you'd likely have to attack and conquer Turkey, or at least take over the Dardanelles. Starting a new war like that strikes me as a bad idea, especially since while you're right about the sealift, the more critical problem is ability to deliver air support to the beaches when you invade. The Allies have plenty of planes, but they can't fly far enough to make a thing like this work, which is why all their historical amphibious operations were in short hops from their other bases.

If they want to keep the red army afloat, it's more likely they'll do it by increasing the amount of oil at the expense of other things in Lend-Lease. If they do change their invasion plans in Europe, it's going to be an accelerated attack into France, not trying to dick around in the Caucasus.