Was Nazi Germany the best IRL example of the emperor has no clothes? Was everyone just playing along for fear of being ostracized?
>>3219025
You can't murder millions of Jews if everyone is just "playing along." If that were the case they would just sent Hitler false reports about how many Jews were killed that week.
>>3219025
>Was Stalinist USSR the best IRL example of the emperor has no clothes? Was everyone just playing along for fear of being purged?
The case of Adolf Eichmann is a good insight into a mind of your average Nazi yesman. To put it shortly, they were "just following orders", and they believed that by "following orders" they were exempted of any personal responsiblity, let alone guilt. They posessed a bureaucratic coldness which helped them do anything that was asked of them without remorse or question. It's what Hannah Arendt called "banality of evil".
>>3219159
>bureaucratic coldness
I hope you've watched this.
>>3219130
>>3219025
yes, that's how every totalitarian regime works.
it's orwell's concept of doublethink - it was impossible to genuinely believe in all of the ideological rules of stalinism or nazism at the same time. even if you were fully committed to the regime, you constantly had to live in fear of it. you had to play along despite knowing it was absolutely insane because otherwise you might get killed.
>>3219085
>You can't murder millions of Jews if everyone is just "playing along."
But that's pretty much exactly what happened, except for the handful other maniacs and convinced esoteric xenophobes and psychopaths in Germany
>>3219159
Wasn't Eichmann a dedicated National Socialist though?
Just split the task up into 1000 pieces and give each one to some bureaucratic dept. Each dept will probably not even realise what they're doing because they focus only on targets and justifying their own jobs. The ones that do realise believe that their dept is so esoteric and trivial that they have no guilt, or they just think "what can I do?", because there is nothing he really can do.Bureaucracies can radicalise like this without even realising what is happening, and then you get some firebrand young economist that manages to make efficiency savings in one dept so that more money can slush around into the "kill jews dept" and he gets promoted, etc.
Just take the USA, China, or the EU, these places are run by un-elected managers and bureaucrats who want to justify their own jobs and chase targets. Everyone points at each other, they ascribe all good economic and social indicators to their management and all bad ones to some exogeneity or unforseen variable. For the USA read "Leviathan and its Enemies". If you really want to see what dictatorship is like, don't read 1984, just watch the film Brazil instead...
>>3219025
NO.
ALSO, TAKING POSTWAR STATEMENTS BY FORMER " N S D A P " OFFICIALS WITH EARNESTNESS, IS IDIOTIC, AND PRESENTING THEM AS ENTIRELY TRUTHFUL IS FLAGRANT MISINFORMATION.
>>3219130
After reading that story of the soviet commander who let his unit drown rather than disobey orders, I'm starting to think that was indeed the case.
Here's the thing, people can stick to their morals and disobey orders when only their own life is on the line. But if the regime threatens to murder their loved ones for their mistake, the tune changes quick.
>>3219025
Pretty much. Most Germans didn't vote for the Nazi's in 1933. People played along because the alternative was a visit by the gestapo.