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What is the difference between Buddhist or Jain nirvana/moksha, and the modern conception of atheistic death?
I've been researching this all day, and I literaly cannot see the difference. In Jainism nirvana is understood as being liberated from samsara (the endless cycle of birth and rebirth), into a timeless realm of peace, completely undisturbed. It's the same with Buddhism.
So what's the difference? That's basically atheistic death. You cease to be after this life, you do not suffer any more, there is no more existence, you are eternally at peace.
I ask all of this because my research into buddhism has led me to believe it's utterly pointless if you do not believe in 'samsara'. The goal of buddhism basicaly seems to be to eternally murder yourself. But if you don't believe i samsara, then you can just literally kill yourself, and cease suffering.
Buddhism is basically a suicidal death cult, bent on ceasing themselves for eternity, but are so caught up in these stupid religious unprovable ancient beliefs about karma and samsara, that they can't just kill themselves to reach nirvana.
I think that if the original buddha were born in todays scientifc atheist culture, he would just have 2 noble truths
1. life is suffering
2. you can cease suffering by kill yourself
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nirvana is nothing like atheistic death, it's like an eternal realm of bliss, much like Christain heaven...
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The average "atheist death" is a view where once "you" die, you somehow cease to exist. This is to assume that there exist a "you" that exist and a "you" that perishes. On a more physical side of things, the "atheist death" involves the rotting of the body and becoming either natural fertilizer or cremation.
The Buddhist Nirvana is the final rest where after many lifetimes of purifying the mind, it reaches a still point where it does not create delusions due to understanding of the forces of nature at work. The Buddhist belief is ignorance of the causes of the nature of the world creates delusions of grandeur like the idea of self, the idea of permanence, and the effects so such. With Nirvana, the final death is merely the death of those misunderstandings. Sorta like how you'd say that "this is the end of my life as we know it" when you embark on a new country to start a new life but except in this case, its not really a new identity or a new life, but rather the final death of the idea of self and all the delusions. The physical death of the body is simply the last remaining factor in this part that has ties to the last remaining part of the this ignorance.
The Jains Moskha is a state of omniscience. The difference between Moksha and Nirvana is one of agency. In the Jain Moksha(and hindu moksha) there is an agency at play, a soul. The Jain Moksha is the state of the soul that's been purified of all karma. Its a gradual phase that Jain try to reach via small steps. Once you understand the nature of reality in Jainism, which is the ignorance of the soul, the suffering of all beings, karma and so on, if you follow the path of nonviolence, your soul becomes pure slowly. Eventually the soul of the Jain is purified enough that inaction is the preferred option for the omniscient Jain soul.
>buddha would advocate suicide today
Wrong, Buddha objected to materialistic view.
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because they're not the same retard
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