The Anti-Fascism movement was born in Italy in the 1920s. Since

oh boy here we go

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>When Fascism comes to America, it will be called anti-Fascism!

>>3213966
>What's your opinion on it?
Irrelevant organisation

>Is Antifa necessary
no

>a force for good?
a force against evil at best

>>3213983
Except America has totally been fascist ever since the end of WWII.

>>3213990
>Evil

>>3213966
At this point you aren't even strawmanning, you're entirely making things up to be upset about

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>>3214000
>implying

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>>3213966
Anti-Fascism=diversity

>>3214020
>an american is free to make a choice about how they live
THE WORLD IS FUCKING RUINED, THE AMERICANS WERE NEVER FREE, WHAT IS THIS

>>3214020
I don't see what this has to do with anything. It's just some arbitrarily placed pictures with some wildly autistic words plastered onto it by someone who has no idea what the United States was like when those middle three pictures were taken (the original author doesn't even specify when this 'change' begins to occur).

shit thread not even humanities or historical

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>>3214049
>AMERIKKKA IS A FASCIST WHITE SUPREMACIST TOTALITARIAN STATE WHERE HELPLESS POCS ARE MERCILESSLY GUNNED DOWN WHILE WALKING TO COLLEGE BY HETEROSEXUAL CAUCASIAN CHRISTIAN POLICEMEN!1!1

>>3214073
Yes, this is a known fact. What about it?

Maybe not necessary as such, and definitely not a force for good (as political violence very rarely is). However their existence should come as no surprise to anyone, if one side of the spectrum employs violent tactics as a means of furthering their goals and aspirations it would be suicidal for the others not to respond in kind. Everyone can't be Ghandi all the time.

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>>3213990
This.

>>3214073
>United States
>Christian
You take that back right now young man.

>>3213966
>Is Antifa necessary and a force for good?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*breathes in*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>3214104
Not an argument.

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>>3214079
>AY MANE IT HORD OUTCHEA FO A BLAQQ MAN JUST STRUGGLIN TA SURVIVE KNAMEAN WHITEY BEEN KEEPIN THA BROTHAZ DOWN SINCE FOREVA WE STILL SLAVES DAWG

>>3213966
>a force for good
Fuck yeah, imagine all the trash bins we would have today without them.

>>3214109
Still not an argument.

>>3214081
When you call everyone you disagree with a fascist, then violent antifascists become a problem.

>>3214108
there's no need for one, because to say that a bunch of junkie anarchists are a "force of good" when all they've proven is to be the lowest and the most violent scum of society. It's a miracle how they've yet to be declared as a terrorist organisation at this point.

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>>3214127
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txCC8sUh0jI

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>>3214133
>all they've proven is to be the lowest and the most violent scum of society.

I'll bite. Why is this? Because they personally trigger you?

Last I checked more people have died as a result of Fascism/Nazism than Antifascism.

>>3214185
No, CLEARLY it's because of the secret jewish white genocide plot to kill all white babies with abortion and race mixing and fluoride and pop music

>>3214185
>Hamburg
they didnu nuffin

>Last I checked more people have died as a result of Fascism/Nazism than Antifascism.
By Antifascism you are including Communism which is very wrong

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>>3214185
>more people have died as a result of Fascism/Nazism than Antifascism.

You know there are more than those two options right? Just because more people have died from AIDS it doesn't make herpes any better.

>>3213983
Pftttt hahaha even then antifascistes looked like absolute lard brain retards.

>>3214205
Are you seriously gonna argue the USSR and PRC weren't fascist as fuck?

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>>3214201
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbEoRnaOIbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU0TdksrLvo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd6PEDuROb0

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>>3214218
>muh not real communism

>>3214223
Pas un argument

>>3213966
Groups like antifa and neonazis are loved by the police because they attract violent assholes, making themselves identifiable.

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>>3214218
>>3214206
>>3214205
>>3214128
>>3214104
Capitalism/fascism is genocide

>>3214218
It's a "leftie retard thinks fascism is a generic synonym for authoritarianism" episode.

>>3214223
>KEYWORDS DETECTED
>ACTIVATE /POL/BOT

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>>3214234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWM4bJNpch0

>>3214244
>muh not real fascism

>>3214242
>inperialism=capitalism
What?

>>3213966
Completely unnecessary, Fascists of today use Mosley's model of Democratic Fascism. Antifa are a bunch of anarchist who Desire no state which means no democracy.

>>3214242
>Japanese imperialism
the fuck
>Albanian genocide
LMAO

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>>3213966

Antifags need to be rounded up and put in actual death camps.

>>3214263
Triggered, snowflake? ;)

>>3214256
you have to be a brain-dead leninist to believe that imperialism is in any way related to capitalism

>>3214020

if the 50's were so good the culture wouldn't have become the complete opposite 5 years after they ended

>>3214252
>muh only anarcho-marxist definition of fascism is legitimate

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>>3214268

If you've ever had to deal with these subhumans on a day-to-day basis as much as I do, you'd understand.

>>3214278
Not to mention things like unemployment, teen pregnancy and violent crime were through the roof in the 50s.

>But muh Andy Griffith Show fantasy that I didn't actually live in.

>>3214275
Imperialism was related to the protectionist measures utilized by every damn European country at the time, which required the expansion of markets by force rather than trade.

>>3214284
>i'm annoyed
>therefore we should kill a bunch of people
how is this not "feels>reals?"

>>3214284
Do you guys actually have them in the USA? They used to be all over the place here in Europe but skinheads usually put them in their place.

>>3214268
Why have leftists or whatever started using snowflake as an insult all of a sudden. 2 or 3 years ago it was used to describe them and the other kin bullshit people/ feminists or whatever.

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>>3214288
>teen pregnancy and violent crime were through the roof in the 50s

wut

>>3214275
british imperialsm was more about markets than land

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>>3214282
>>3214275
>>3214262
>>3214256
Stay mad classcucks

>>3214297
Bewcause the left can't meme so they steal memes.

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>>3214297
What's more ironic is they started asking us if we want a safe space, even though they came up with the idea of safe spaces to start with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe-space

>What's your opinion on it?
Antifa is a typical self-righteous organization that thinks it has the right to violently shut down fascism, while at the same they are the ones who define who fascists are. They are just an extreme left organization that violently lashes out against any right wing opinions. They aren't healthy for society. They normalize political violence and make it easier for other political extremist to justify their own violence. Nothing good will come out of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H27Ul9ZsHk

>>3214303
Porky = jew

>>3214297
Leftism has pretty much stagnated intellectually, Gyorgy Lukacs was the last good intellectual they had, after him they have to resort to stealing memes from make-believe fascists and facetious crusaders.

>>3214242
>Everything that happens under not communism is capitalism and the fault of capitalism
>*Collectivizes resources*
>People still starve
>Except now there is even more war
Lmao

>>3214313
People ITT are calling for the death of Antifa because they want a safe space though.

>>3214294
If you're from Poland you're pretty much the only ones who took care of them, meanwhile antifa is strong in most countries because they are covered by the governments.

>>3214294

They've practically been holding my hometown hostage since the election. Four major riots, dozens injured, and millions of dollars in damaged property in 10 months. And the police won't do a fucking thing about it because the city government is headed by an Antifa sympathizer.

>>3214326
Hungary.

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>>3213966
>>3213966
>>3213966
>>3213966
>>3213966
Back to leftypol or /r/socialism. The only reason you autists even have any space on the internet is because you hand out perma bans to anyone who disagrees with you even slightly

>>3214329
On behalf of everyone here, I'd like to remind you that that's what you get for being a filthy traitor.

>>3214321
>domestic terrorists are disliked
who'd thought

I don't understand. You all spent years lusting for the death of political correctness. You succeeded and got it.

You don't get to cry now that you're getting punched in the face instead of being shunned and berated.

>>3214335
So is the Schengen still working as intended or not? Do you only let Europeans through your borders?

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>>3214313
>>3214284
Liberals get the wall too

>>3214338
Oh fuck off Yankee

I live in a city packed full of liberals and it's mostly them that Antifa spend their time terrorizing.

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>>3214350

>>3214350
Both liberals and "nazis" outnumber you utterly.

>>3214352
Is it Austin? Atlanta?

>>3214361
Problem is that the media doesn't make a big fuss about them unlike with right-wingers.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXRbIdaLD4Q

>>3214350
Why go against liberals? You don't want to bite the hand that feeds you, do you?

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>>3214358
>>3214263
>>3214206
>>3214320
>>3214317

>>3214363

Nope, think West Coast.

>>3214383
>communism won against Nazism in WW2!
>but Stalinism wasn't real communism!
You can't have your cake and eat it.

>>3214383
Circlejerking over the Confederacy and Nazi Germany is basically like celebrating over a participation trophy.

Meanwhile the winners (leftists) are laughing at you cucks to this day lmao

>>3214388
Why have a southern trip and LARP as a Confederate then?

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>>3214383

Victims of Communism

>>3214352
I'm not a Yankee.

>>3214321
>not liking something means I want a safe space
I support Antifa's right to be as vocal and autistic as they want. I also reserve the right to call them autistic when they do so. I live in Portland and I've had people show up at my door trying to teach me about racism and xenophobia. I told them to consider this their warning and next time they showed up I would call the cops for trespassing.

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>>3214383

Victims of Communism

>>3214394

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okie

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Stalinism is true communism wageslave and all those greedy kulaks and nazis deserved

>>3214404
>Oklahoma
>south
It's the midwest.
t. east Texas

I don't think "antifa" actually exists in the US as an independent group. I think it's an arm of the Democratic party. If they were independent, you'd expect these groups to be protesting people like Senator Dianne Feinstein, a corporatist neocon who voted to invade Iraq, supports "the security state," etc., and lives in San Francisco itself.

But this never happens. She holds Bay area fundraisers all the time, and "antifa" never does anything. I presume this is the case because antifa's financiers have put nominal Democrats off-limits to them.

>>3214402
Wow it's almost like you want a sanctuary where you don't have to deal with people you don't agree with.

>>3214412
You mean my fucking house? Ya I guess if you consider private property a safe space.

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>>3214395

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>>3214383

Victim of Communism

>>3214393

Leftists deserve utter and complete annihilation.

I'm really hoping one of you idiots jumps the gun and wastes President Trump so we have the long-needed excuse to start rounding the of you up for execution.

>>3214406

My family has lived in the South for over 300 years. Oklahoma branch exists because one of my ancestors was a Partisan Ranger who fled his home state following the Civil War.

>>3214405
you do realize that a kulak was defined as a peasant family with two or three cows and up to ten hectares of sowing area for a family with the average size of seven, right?

This is in direct opposition to the original definition of "kulak" which was a village moneylender.

but no, you're a fucking tankie LARPer from /leftypol/, so expecting you to even know how to read is too much to ask, much less knowing anything about the history of the soviet union

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>>3213966

>claim to be anti-fascist
>engage politically like a brown shirt

really gets the melon swellin'

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>>3214383

Victims of Communism

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>>3214383

Victims of Communists who went so over the line that fellow Communists had to put them down.

>>3213966
>be against authority and the state
>call police every time "nazis" engage you
>be against capitalism
>get literally funded by global capital
>be pro-worker
>attack white working class people who are trying to organize and support open borders policies spearheaded by capitalist megacorps
What did antifa mean by this?

>>3213966
Embarrassing sperglords. Their tantrums in the street over this election year have been very entertaining however.

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>>3214430

A portion of the Brownshirts were ex-Rotfront members so it makes sense

>>3214242
>cigarette related deaths
>capitalism
OK I'm out.

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Wew the /pol/ ass devastation in here is off the charts.

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>>3214436
>>3214426
Not a single tear need to be wasted in traitors and anti revolutionaries

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>>3214422

>literally made my point for me

Thanks, now get on the helicopter

>>3214457
all totalitarian groups tend to attract the same types of people

>>3214443
/Pol/pot was a CIA puppet bucko

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Lol the leftypol ass pain ITT is tremendous

>>3214462
I'm sorry your pathetic group of misfits isn't well liked on here.

>>3214471
>CIA isn't communist
(You)

>>3214391
>But Stalinism wasn't real communism

It was when it fits their narrative

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>>3214466
>helicopter memes

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>>3214490
>>3214487
>>3214478
Why does /leftypol/ have to ban anyone who disagrees with them to maintain their movement? /pol/ doesn't need to do shit to maintain itself, it's almost like the more dialogical a board becomes the more right wing it becomes.

>>3214471

He was after 1979, but not before.

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>>3214478
>gobarment is gommunism

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>>3214412
>expecting peace and privacy in your own home

>safe space

>>3214393
Much like the USSR except it didn't even need a war to collapse.

>>3214478
>>3214487
>>3214490
In fact its almost like the actual ideas of socialism don't stand up to debate which is why leftists need to censor everything ...

>>3214494
Glad we're in agreement that Antifa is cool, good and deserves to exist.

We need to be the bigger men and not try to silence people who dissent against us.

>>3214494
Do you know how /leftypol/ started? It was a general thread for commies on /pol/ but /pol/acks kept invading it and making fun of them. This caused them to leave /pol/ in tears and launch their safe space on Cripplechan where their time is spent talking up their homosexual experiences, banning anyone even remotely racist, sucking up to the tranny board owner and redrawing /pol/ memes since they cannot create anything original themselves.

>>3214497
>what is dictatorship of the judeotariat

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>>3214494
>>3214502
>>3214514
>>3214495
>>3214473

The future is red bucko, you can't escape.

>>3214470
Hardly surprising, considering that all such ideologies require same traits from their followers.
>cuck that is willing to believe what he is told from above
>slavish personality that desires to be ordered by higher authority
>unwilling to question his beliefs, will react violently if feels like his beliefs are challenged
>easily self-identifies with a group and once done so will make that identify the cornerstone of his self-perception
>below average intelligence is preferable but not necessary
>insecure about himself, feels need to be on the "right side" of history

All of those are traits that will make a person vulnerable against things like communism, fascism, monarchism, religious and areligious extremism, hardcore identify politics, modern western anarchism, etc.

>>3214521
Please stop posting communism memes and scaring the /pol/lacks.

This thread is a safe space.

>>3214521
Not an answer bitch boi.

>>3214427
The definition of kulak under the council of peoples commissars

peasant farmers who:
used hired labor
owned any type of complex machinery
rented out equipment or facilities
involvment in trade

The last one is interesting because any peasant farmer can be labeled as a kulak if they sold any surplus on the open market

>>3214534
Any peasant could be labeled a kulak, because communism is an anti-peasant movement cooked up by parasitical urban subhumans. People who live in the cities are not even human.

>>3214537
t. Cletus

>>3214531
Lol you guys are like those fedora wearing autismos who think they look really cool and everyone else is just angry and jealous.

>>3214547
Please tell me more about how not angry you are, friend.

>>3214534
depends on the timeline of the definition, really.

Although if you take Milyutin's proclamations seriously (he was the first commissar of agriculture), he admitted in 1925 that nobody actually had a working definition of a kulak, so it was up to anyone's best guess as to who they were

>>3214242

>hurrican Katrina

lol this is my favorite one

>>3214542
t. Jamal Abulrahman el-Gonzalez

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>>3214550
Annoyed =/= angry

>>3214554
Hurricane Katrina casualties were caused by niggers being too stupid to leave when the government told them to.

>>3214556
>When you call your internal police force an "anti-revolutionary control squad" so that means it isn't a government

>>3213966
Anti-fascism is the standard worldview of modern civilisation, like being opposed to slavery and pedophilia.

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>this thread

>>3214566
>modern
>civilization

>>3214554
I like how it labels the famine of 1932-33. Because it didn't have anything to do with forced collectivization and dekulakization

>>3214566
>Anti fascism
*This also implies anti-capitalism because fascism is just an expression of capitalism according to the same people who are anti-fascist

Because no one actually understands what fascism is.

It's a force of idiocy that gives the labor and unionist left a bad name by being in the same overton window.

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>>3214524
>>3214530
>>3214536
>>3214556
>>3214558
Nice memeballs /pol/tards

>>3214576
Kulaks had it coming comrade, they were being undialectical.

>>3214577
>fascism is just an expression of capitalism according to the same people who are anti-fascist
False statement.

>>3214542
Tbh he is right, the ideal society would be 100% agrarian or pastoral nomadic subsistence economy where goods are only traded between people via bartering.

>>3214550
I don't think it's possible for anyone to get legitimately angry at you people.

>>3214577
>yep, cartelization of industry under direct government control (removing the freedom to do what you want to do with your own property, i.e. the fucking Aristotelian definition of wealth) sounds exactly like the functioning of free markets to me, guys

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>>3214263
>Antifags need to be rounded up and put in actual death camps.
How did that work out the last time? Or in Greece? Or Vietnam?

>>3214587
We already had that. Turns out it sucked.

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>>3214582
Why does /leftypol/ steal it's memes from /pol/ just like how communism steals it's accomplishment from non-communists?

>>3214582
>posting memes about communists being retarded is proof that you're afraid of a bunch of fat, underage larpers

>>3214584
True statement
>>3214591
Nazis privatized more than they nationalized , by a lot. The really spergy natsocs claim to be producer capitalists themselves.

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>>3214600
>>3214599
>Praise kek :^)

>>3214594
>Vietnam
>Antifascists

wew...

>>3214603
they gave private ownership of capital stock, but claimed usufruct for the state

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>>3214615

why do you post stuff like this when its not even an arugment and you look exactly the same?

>>3214615
>o-one meelion years gulag, gombrade!

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>>3214594

how did that whole cold war thing work out? ;)

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Fascism is capitalism in decay

>>3213966
Corporate bitches, hilariously funny tho.

>>3214622
see this bucko >>3214350

>>3214615
>>3214622
I think this has more to do with being American than with ideology. A fat country full of spergs will only put fat spergs on the streets.

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>>3214629

Fascism is literally based off of socalism. Giovanne Gentile was influenced by Marx. Good job proving yourself to be an underage retard just parroting talking points like the brianless cuck you are.

If I had Alekseev, Vrangel, and Lenin in from of me and only two bullets, I'd shoot Lenin twice

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>>3214639
>>Cuck
Keep sucking your boss dick then.

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>>3214635

>I-I totally hate them to! Which is why I agree with them on everything and youre a racist nazi if you dont think ancient romans were all black!

leftypols mascot is a trap furry who the board went into a civil war over because half thought it was sexist to jerk off to a fucking faggot cartoon character. You guys dont make memes, you are one.

>>3214617
>of capital stock
No of actual property itself. The government held the right to seize the property should the industry not meet it's standards and begin to run it, but it privitazed a lot of shit. Not only that but the Nazis disbanded all the unions.

Producer capitalism is still capitalism even with a strong central state.
>Inb4 ancap not true capitalism

>>3214635
Shut up kulak that's 80 gorillion years in the goolog for u

>>3214648

Yeah, good job just ignoring the fact that you have no fucking clue what you are talking about retard. Have fun playing revolutionary from mommys basement. Maybe she will let you use her credit card to buy that friggin epic East Germany flag!

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>>3214639

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>the only war that soviets ever won against foreign power was the one where they were propped up by western capitalist states

Really makes you think.

>>3213966
>What's your opinion on it?
They don't know actual fascism, they just call things fascism.
>Is Antifa necessary
If real fascism showed up sure, but we haven't had that for over half a century in the US.
>and a force for good?
lolno

>>3214663
They really are the most powerful race.

>>3214657
yes, because a complete lack of private property rights and a state powerful enough to expropriate at will is exactly what capitalists all want

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>>3214659
That's the spirit comrade

>>3214663
>actually read the theory they practice
This is actually the one thing I know for sure they don't do.

>>3214678
It's still capitalism even if it isn't your brand of libertarian capitalism

>>3214657
>what was the German Labor Front
they disbanded trade unions to replace them with their own, dum-dum

>>3214691
gee, almost as if the term "capitalism" was invented by a French socialist to slur his opponents

>>3214663

>won ww2

lol

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>>3214654
nice projection

>>3214692
No, they disbanded the trade unions and gave people back the Nazi form of 1 large nationalized union while they privatized industry.

Seems like they essentially reduced the bargaining power of the unions to near nothing to me

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daily reminder that hitler was a socialist

>>3214718
wow that really made me think...

What about the people who in reality don't have any political affiliation and just bomb shit for its own sake? You know, people like Dr. Ch@os who just want to cause havoc.

>>3214717
>trade unions with monopoly control over the price of all forms of labor are less effective
you don't even understand your own theory, do you?

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>>3214718
>>3214721

Nope

>>3214096
Kurds are the jihadists you stupid western fuck

>>3214723

There's always an underlying reason. Even George Metesky, the man given the title Mad Bomber for indiscriminately bombing 22 places in the 40s and 50s with no connection between the locations, had a reason. It was an incredibly petty reason disproportionate to his crime (he was denied worker's comp because he forgot to file the paperwork in time), but it was a reason.

>>3214698
Too bad the Nazis still used a lot of concepts from economic liberalism in their planning...

Points from the Nazis' 1920 "unalterable" plan for the country:

7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.

11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.

13. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

yet still we hear the retarded, mouth-breathing allegations that fascism and capitalism are the same thing

>>3214759
That's nice, dear. Now how many of those things were actually delivered on?

>>3214754
such as?

>>3214766
Are you fucking retarded? This establishes, beyond a shred of doubt, that the NSDAP was in its essence a socialist party. How effective they were in instituting all of this is another question entirely.

>>3214737
>trade unions with monopoly control over the price of all forms of labor are less effective
Except that's not true, the state had the power not the unions, they had relatively no power but were given high wages by the state. They did not negotiate wages, the state did, and the state negotiated with the industrialists directly.

This is retarded. All those "socialist leftists" fighting jihadism are Kurds. You can't find a single upper-class white socialist who has actually decided to go and actively fight jihadism in places like Iraq.

>>3214766
See>>3214739
this is why

>>3214767
Privatization of industry? Already stated as much

>>3214718
Hitler said whatever he thought sounded good to the people he was talking to. When he was around German socialists he talked like a socialist.

>>3214776
Umm, no sweetie.

All the socialists realized Hitler was full of shit and left by the end of the 20s leaving behind nationalist wingnut retards like yourself if you weren't a fat NEET failure.

Maybe if you read books you would know this :)

>>3214778
wow, it's almost as if it was a socialist state that took on the functions of a labor union

>>3214779
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/american-anarchists-ypg-kurdish-militia-syria-isis-islamic-state-w466069

>>3214779
Meant for>>3214096

>>3214786
all the smileys in the world won't change the fact that you're not making any arguments

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>>3214096

>>3214787
Except a socialist state doesn't have the state negotiate with the owners of capital, the workers take the ownership of capital...

>>3214783
that's not economic liberalism, as has already been abundantly demonstrated. Every form of capitalism is not economically liberal.

>>3214785
>it doesn't matter what he said, it just matters what I assume

>>3214798
>the only type of socialism that counts is the one I arbitrarily decide, based on argumentative utility

>>3214799
>Capitalism doesn't value the individual or hierarchy
Ha

>>3214096
Most righties just join the military or pmc's which are far more effective. Most Westerners who join the peshmerga or ypg aren't even lefty hipster spergs anyways.

>>3213966
It;s just one of those alt-right boogiemen like jews, blacks, and women.

>>3214803
"capitalism" is the private ownership of the means of production and distribution. There are authoritarian and liberal capitalist systems. What about this is so hard for you to understand?

>>3214790
kek

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>>3214096
Nigga please

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Why does every /pol/lack seem to be an internet tough guy?

Small penis? Not enough love from Daddy? Cucked by Jamal?

>>3214801
Socialism is the workers owning the means of production, it has never meant the state negotiating with industrialists. Ever.

Not even a socialist and I can tell you that much

You guys are all a bunch of pathetic fags who ragejerk to your favorite internet boogeymen.

>>3214826
really? There are quite a few socialists who would disagree with you. The method of ownership of the means of production is often presented as the task of a state-controlled, nationalized industry under democratic control.

I'm not a socialist either, but I have at least studied their theories.

>Please make the scary antifa people go away, daddy

>>3214814
>There are authoritarian forms of liberalism
I believe you, but it's still a liberal economic system even if it has a central state

>>3214223
>literal cuckolds triggered
lol i knew it

>>3213966
>Is Antifa necessary and a force for good?
No and no. Their stupidity is only polarising people. The world would be a better place having them rounded up and blown into space.

>>3213966 (OP)
Most modern antifas appear to be communist retards who are ok with attacking people just for expressing their opinions. I do not support those people in any way, shape, or form.
However, if fascists ever ACTUALLY tried to take over the government, I would be fine with using violence to stop them. Even if they used democratic means to take over the government, I would be fine with using violence to stop them. Why? Because fascism is inherently anti-democratic. Fascists only use the tools of democracy in order to gain power, and after that they do away with democracy. That's their admitted modus operandi, not some big secret. Therefore, even if they tried to get voted into power, I would be fine with assassinating them or whatever in order to stop them. I believe in democracy, but I do not believe that my fellow citizens have a right to vote away my own ability to vote in the future.
Everything I wrote about fascists also applies to totalitarian communists.

>>3214845
Democracy is a myth

>>3214841
what? No, there are authoritarian forms of capitalism, you fucking mouth-breather. In that case, it's fundamentally not a liberal system.

Jesus, I knew socialists were dumb, but I had no idea how fucking deep it went.

>>3214839
>I'm not a socialist either, but I have at least studied their theories.
Not in greater detail, state control of the means of ownership is the dictatorship of the proletariat where the state negotiated with workers, and which abolishes the concept of industrial owners. National Socialists isn't actually socialism , although it is a collectivist to a degree.

>>3214855
>Their stupidity is only polarising people

Yes, Antifa is the reason everyone is polarized.

Moron.

>>3214859
Not a socialist, and it is a liberal economic system even if the the free market and private ownership is enforced by a state.

Liberalism is not the opposite of authoritarian

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>>3214849
>>3214109
>>3214223
Black genocide is real

>>3214825
But they're not the ones fantasizing about throwing people in gulags for wrongthink.

>>3214879
No, but /pol/tards often fantasize about literally gassing their political opponents to death. What's the difference?

>>3214864
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9f1_1479125404

Oh yeah totally, state support for a group that burns down people's homes. Not polarising at all.

>>3214879
So what's this? >>3214263

>>3214859
Capitalism does not necessitate liberalism you twat

>>3214876
Well miscegenation is miscegenation so black genocide is also happening , it's just that their replacement rate far exceeds whites

>>3214879
>/pol/ never fantasizes about killing those who they hate

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>>3214799
>>it doesn't matter what he said, it just matters what I assume
YOu probably belive drumpf's lies
go back to your safe space /pol/ (/r/the_donald) and leave this board for us based commies

>>3214894
dey dindu nuffin

>>3214875
>liberal and authoritarian are not opposites
o im laffin
>>3214862
>state control of the means of ownership
means of ownership? Jesus, you haven't read anything, have you?

I'm fucking done, guys. But I'll try to be back next time you raid. Do some reading first, ok?

>>3214895
>and leave this board for us based commies
Oh fuck off. You're either trolling or an idiot. Commies and fascists are BOTH scum and should reconsider their politics.

>>3214883
Nathan Bedford Forrest is a proud southern gentleman and not a polack.

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>>3214904
>I'm a radical centrist

>>3214898
>I see you made a typo
Lmao
>Oh am I laffin
Pinochet was a liberal and so are you :D


Quick question, why are /pol/tards so self assured?

>>3214911
>If you aren't a batshit insane gommie or Jew gassing gnadsi u r a centrist xD
At least change the leftyturd filenames.

>>3214911
I'm a classical liberal. I think that the current politico-economic system of the United States is much better than either communism or fascism. And if thinking that both communism and fascism suck makes me a "radical centrist" than fine, I'm a radical centrist, although the only places where I would really be considered radical for such a view are places like 4chan.

>>3214898
>>3214898
>>3214898
>>3214898
Anyone? I can't be the only one who sees the false dichotomy made by this Anon between liberalism and authoritarianism. Is this just an ancap who doesn't understand the origins of his own thought?

>>3214881
So then you see the irony of one calling the other an internet tough guy.

>>3213966
>>3213966
If we are to get into semantics, it's a bit stupid to form a group solely to counter another group. What will be the reason for existence of anti-fascist movement once there are no fascist, I don't think its in human nature just to dissolve.

Having said that fascists and nazis and anyone who supports that shit are the biggest idiots I've ever come across. From experience they're easily manipulated, gullible and just happy to be a part of a mass of shouty, violent, manipulated stupid people like themselves who get off on being feared of,

>>3214924
>I'm a classical liberal
>I believe in social darwinism
>Fuck the poor
No you're not , you're just a regular liberal

>>3214934
Post by someone equating lefties with the people you're describing in 3..2..1..

>>3214278
There are people trying to destroy capitalism and replace it with a vastly inferior system. They're retarded and brainwashed.

>>3214937
"classical liberal" isn't the same thing as "batshit fundamentalist libertarian". Classical liberals do not oppose social safety nets.

>>3214739
>working your way to the top is bad
Isn't the idea of workers owning their means of production the centre of socialist thought

>>3214937
That's not what he said.

>>3214924
The current system has the majority of the country indebted, impoverished and barely getting by.

People are so desperate they voted Trump.

Clearly it's not working so hot.

>>3214931
Yeah, although in gommies' defense, at least most of them legitimately think they're doing the right thing - they're just really fucking stupid. On the other hand, /pol/tards often adopt the "hehe I know it's kind of evil but being a sociopath is ok" attitude - which I find more annoying because then I'm like "Man, you're not even trying to pretend that you're not a sociopath? What the fuck..."

>>3214223
None of them are telling you to race-mix

>>3214291
>domestic terrorists and communist traitors
>y-you just ha-hate them because your triggered haha

>>3214966
>The current system has the majority of the country indebted, impoverished and barely getting by.
Is there any reason to believe that either communism or fascism would make things better?

>>3214923
Nice eye comrade. one of us.

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>>3214973
Well if we're rounding up and murdering domestic terrorists, why don't we start with the white nationalists?

>>3214940
Well if that is their opinion, then they're welcome to it. I can't stop them, nor do I want to, they're free to put their brainwashed world view on display.

Anti-fascist movement is a wrong way to fight off the radicalization of the stupid, unloved people who seek attention and validation. Shouting "Bash the Fash" at them only strengthens their views

>>3214953
>Classical liberals do not oppose social safety nets.
Kek
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_Law_Amendment_Act_1834
>Adopting Thomas Malthus's population theory, they saw poor urban conditions as inevitable, they believed population growth would outstrip food production and they regarded that consequence desirable, because starvation would help limit population growth. They opposed any income or wealth redistribution, which they believed would be dissipated by the lowest orders.[13]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Do you just not understand how central the concept of the Malthusian catastrophe was to classics liberalism?

>>3214297
They don't understand why they became insults to begin with. A leftist calling someone a snowflake is the equivalent of a black man calling a white man a nigger.

>>3214981
Wow, I've read a lot of bad analogies in my life but that one is something special.

>>3214980
I'm referring to modern classical liberalism, not what people 180 years ago thought. Next thing you'll be asking why people who identify as Democrats support slavery.

>>3214451
>leftists are almost painfully retarded, naive and hypocritical
Woah, what a shock.

>>3214975
All 8ch filenames look like that. But since you're a leftard it's pretty obvious where you're from. Try to make your "raids" less obvious if you want to be taken seriously.

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>>3214953
>social safety nets.

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>>3214988
>Modern
>Classical

>>3214997
History has shown that in practice, capitalism + social safety nets works much better than either communism or robber baron uncontrolled capitalism.

>>3214980
To be fair to him, Malthusian population/resource projections are not accurate cause the whole agricultural revolution thing so being a classical liberal in modern context is a bit different.

>>3214648
>your boss
You mean the guy that actually knows how to run things?
If not starving to death or being arbitrarily shot for being a counter-revolutionary means 'sucking my boss's dick' (in reality, getting paid a mutually ageed upon wage) then fuck it, sign me up.

>>3215000
>He thinks robber baron capitalism ever went away

My sweet summer child

>>3214998
Sigh. Modern classical liberals call themselves that, even though it sounds weird, to differentiate themselves from leftist "liberals", not because they only believe in 200 year old ideas. Yes, I know it's strange phrasing.

>>3214976
Hurt feelings are not terrorism.

>>3214881
This isn't /pol/

>>3214988
>Modern classical liberalism
Nigger this is like saying "Modern Communist manifesto Marxism"

>>3215010
Funny, I remember sitting on unemployment a few years ago after I lost my job. I also seem to keep reading about these things called "regulations" that prevent businesses from dumping poison in the water and the air. Also wasn't there a big anti-trust lawsuit a few years ago against this company called Microsoft? And I keep hearing about this thing called "welfare".

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>>3215004
Capitalism is just feudalism with extra steps

>>3215015
Read the whole comment chain.
>>3215017
Call it whatever you want, the name is not the point.

>>3215013
Pretty sure the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nation and many other WN groups are classified as domestic terrorist groups by the government, friendo.

It's rather strange* you're not keen on executing them but advocate for Antifa, which is not a domestic terrorist group, to be given special preference.

*It's actually predictable as fuck

>>3214987
Someone trying to use an insult that by definition can only be applied to themselves is funny to watch. Just like how nigger is only explicity an insult for black people, hence a black person calling a white person a nigger makes no sense in the same way a trigendered flitekin calling someone a snowflake is laughable.
Better?

>>3215013
likewise faggot

>>3214976
Sure. BLM too, seeing that they killed more people than the KKK in the last 30 years.

>>3215027
The Ku Klux Klan doesn't regularly viciously attack people

>>3215011
No, you're a guy who watched Dave Rubin a few times and thinks he isn't a pompous moron calling himself a classical liberal when it is a basic historical consensus that classical liberal believe in social darwinism and the theories of Malthus, especially the Malthusian catastrophe.

If you believe in social safety net but don't like SJW's you're just a normal liberal.

Whoa...so this is the power of /his/ moderation

>>3215035
The Ku Klux Klan doesn't officially exist anymore because the government had enough of them viciously attacking people (and also because they didn't pay their taxes lol)

>>3215039
We have mods?

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Better dead than red, better dead and red.
Only thing communists are entitled to is a bullet.

>>3215043
Is this one of those LARPERs I've heard so much about?

>>3215037
I've never watched Dave Rubin.
You know perfectly well that if I go around calling myself a "liberal", at least 5/10 people even on this board will completely misunderstand where I'm coming from.

>>3215044
catholics and jews have contributed more to america than most of those hicks

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>>3215039
>>3215042

>>3215027
The KKK sits around waving flags, they're a toothless tiger.
AN is nothing more than a prison gang.

>>3215039
You should be grateful. This thread is containing the /pol/lution.

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>>3215043
>bullet

>>3215050
Jews don't contribute to societies, they leech off of them

>>3215075
What have you contributed to society, friend?

>>3215075
>western civilization is da best. white pride. fuck shitskins
>duh Jooz control all of western civilization!!! wake up sheeple!!!
>Jooz dunt contibute to muh society
heh

>>3215027
When the kkk or Aryan Nations starts chimping out at the drop of a hat in every major city then you might have a point. Until then they're just a bunch of dead organizations comprised of old rednecks and FBI agents.

>>3215033
Nobody would care about antifa or blm if they'd stop chimping out and unconvincing people. The main reasons people still get butthurt about white niggers is because they have mean opinions.

In practice, there are only three differences between communists and fascists:
1) Fascists will keep the old wealthy elite in place, whereas communists will replace it with a new one.
2) Communists will pretend to want liberty and democracy, whereas fascists openly advocate replacing liberty and democracy with nightmarish totalitarianism.
3) Fascists will put a lot of stuff about national spirit in their propaganda, whereas communists will put a lot of stuff about class spirit in theirs.

>>3214000

You're an idiot

>>3215086
*Inconveniencing

>>3215086
Since when is antifa chimping out in every major city? BLM might be, but that's not antifa. And I haven't heard of BLM doing anything in months, anyway.

>>3215086
white nationalists have killed thouands of people
BLM has killed maybe a dozen, the only ones i can think of are those cop killings

>>3215075
Still waiting for an answer to >>3215079 by the way.

I'm really curious to know.

>>3215096
Shh, let him have his boogeymen.

>>3215079
I pay taxes and do actual work
>>3215085
>civilization=/=society
So much for that sociology degree, huh leftypol?

>>3215073
>if you don't like communism you are a Nazi
Lol

>>3215101
>Still waiting for an answer
>Still waiting
>After less than 4 minutes

>>3215104
Well obviously, disliking communism doesn't make you a Nazi. However, if you dislike communism to the point that you advocate death for all communists, you might not be a Nazi, but you're equally bad.

>>3215102
Wow, you pay taxes and work.

Proud of you.

>>3215096
Since the election at least in the US. Remember the Berkeley riots?

>>3215101
Ahh yes, boogeymen. Like the practically non existent kkk that triggers 100 million black bois to death every year with hurtful words.

>>3215102
>I pay taxes and do actual work
And what, Jews don't pay taxes according to you? Given how many of them are rich, the fact is that the average Jew probably pays way more taxes than you do. As for "actual work", not sure what you mean. Do you think society would actually be improved if there were no lawyers and bankers? I know that's a popular opinion around here, but that's because most people around here are teenagers with no understanding of economics.

>>3215122
>Ahh yes, boogeymen. Like the practically non existent antifa that triggers 100 million white bois to death every year with hurtful words.

>>3214856
> Fascists only use the tools of democracy in order to gain power, and after that they do away with democracy. That's their admitted modus operandi, not some big secret.

You act like commies are any different.

>>3215122
Berkeley is one fucking city, man. And it's one of the most leftist cities in the country. You said "in every major city".

>>3215125
Fucking this. There are probably like 1000 antifa total in the US, if that.

>>3215100
so have lots of other groups. white niggers today are less violent than the chicago mob, if you discount prison gangs which pretty much just sell drugs anymore.