Am I a Christian if I have faith in God and believe that Jesus

>>3210783
why exactly do you believe the overall narrative of the Bible if you wholey reject the text itself?

>>3210783
If you disregard the Bible as an authority on anything then there's no reason to raise jesus above any other heresiarch who was executed in the roman empire.

>>3210783
>Not believing in the Bible
>Protestant

If anything you're a Catholic on steroids

>>3210783
How could you even believe in Christ and God without the Bible? I understand your point about trying to control the masses, and there are arguments among historians about the validity, revision, dates, etc. However, the whole belief in Jesus and that he died for your sins is directly from the bible. Do you just pick and choose what to believe?

>>3210799
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>>3210810
If I say I believe in the chair I'm sitting in, then I go and write a novel on the chair, I can still worship the chair without believing in the stuff I wrote about it

Just as I can still believe in Jesus Christ without requiring some sort of book, it's not like he wrote the Bible

>>3210783
I used to think similarly but realised that the central tenets of theology which I was basing my beliefs on (heaven and hell, redemption, Jesus is God), all came from the Bible, which I was reluctant to accept whole heartedly as the literal Word of God. In the end I think you have to decide between accepting Christianity fully (both faith and the Bible), or rejecting it outright. The middle ground is confusing, leads nowhere and is ultimately only self serving.

>>3210799
Cause he wants to emulate Jordan Peterson

>>3210783
No, you're a Peterson suckoff, heretic, and general disgusting humanist.
>muh certainty
You aren't Christian
> I know that scripture and stuff has always been needed to keep people in line but humans have progressed enough to where I'm capable of being good on my own.
You absolutely are not Christian.

>>3210818
>Do you just pick and choose what to believe?
Essentially yes. As long as I'm acting morally. The problem is there's no way to gauge morality without the Bible so I'm sort of in a pickle. I might pick up some form of protestantism, idk, I'd have to read the Bible first. Might just create my own.

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>>3210826
Never watched that dude before, couldn't stand his voice and clicked off five minutes in. Does he actually say something similar?

>>3210828
>Doesn't believe in the bible
>Hasn't read the bible

>>3210820
Thank you. This makes sense. I'm going to accept it fully.

>>3210819
Christ is more significant than a chair you fucking retard, The Bible lays out Hell, heavan, and the fucking baseline for Christianity, to deny the bible is to deny christianity, because as i'm aware the Bible and a few roman documents are the only proof Jesus even existed.

>>3210828
>I don't believe in the bible
>I haven't read it tho
What the fuck is wrong with you

>>3210838
It's called a metaphor dummy
>>3210846
I'm going to

>>3210838
Don't mistake only a few sources as not being enough evidence. There is plenty of evidence from multiple unbiased sources that confirm the existence of a populist Rabbi named Yeshua who was crucified by the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilot. The historicity of Jesus is almost universally accepted among reputable historians.

>>3210819
I'm sorry, did you ever meet Jesus Christ? Did you see him perform his miracles? Did you have visions where he came to you and affirmed his existence?
No? Then what fucking reason do you have for believing he was the son of God if you don't believe in the Bible?

>>3210887
That's why it's a belief silly, there's no rhyme or reason to it but it's what I believe. I don't have to give you an explanation.

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>>3210810
Stop bullying us pls. We believe the bible.

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>>3210783
>claims to know Jesus
>doesn't trust the most reliable information we have about His ministry

This is textbook gnostic doublethink.

>>3210855
Yeah, but then that would mean that if OP discredits the bible as a valid source, then jesus was just that, a populist rabbi who was executed.

>>3210783
Fucking die

>>3210830
not really. if you really pushed him on the question he'd say he's an atheist without using that word.

>>3210898
you're the one who made a thread to discuss your beliefs.

>>3210898
Shoot yourself. I'm not going to explain why you should do it but please do it, don't think just do it.

I too came to a similar revelation.
I think the Old testament and most of the new testament with the exclusion of the Gospel is NOT divinely inspired and was written by (perhaps wise) sages.
All that matters is that you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, according to the big man himself.

>>3210943
Explain the promise (and fulfilment) of the messiah then

>>3210963
Jesus didn't even fulfill most of those promises which is partly why he was killed.

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>>3210968
http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/prophecy/353prophecies.html

>>3210968
Kill yourself

>>3210898
>>3210926
I have to admit this exchange made me lol.

>>3210907
Too bad your pedophile druggie overlords don't

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>>3210907
>>3210990
ROASTED

You guys are misunderstanding OP. Since he is a retard and really bad at explaining himself, I'll do it for him in order to dispel all the confusion. OP is not saying he doesn't BELIEVE in the Bible, he is saying it is IRRELEVANT to his life. It's a source of information on Jesus and his ministry. He doesn't need to be acquainted with the text personally in order to follow Jesus' example since that kind of info is generally well known and can be gleaned from quotes and other sources like media. He doesn't need to study the Bible, he just needs to believe and be as Christ-like as possible. Just like I can believe the information in a phonebook is accurate without trying out every phone number to make sure. He gets the general idea wrt Christianity and what Jesus is about, so he feels that he does not need to personally study the Bible.

>>3211004
I'll just add the OP kind of has a valid point. Since for certain periods in history there was a greater degree of illiteracy than today, so many people who were religious tried to have faith and be Christ-like without reading the Bible, instead depending on what people told them Christ did and what he taught. They had a sense for what Christianity was about without breaking their head over the actual text

>>3211004
If he loved Jesus with all his heart he would want to know everything about his ministry, and the "lore", for a lack of a better word, of the stuff that led up to his death and resurrection.

>>3211016
He can just ask people about it. He doesn't need to read it himself.

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>>3210783
>Am I a Christian if I have faith in God and believe that Jesus died for our sins and try to follow in the Lord's footsteps every day BUT I think the Bible is irrelevant human propaganda

No. In fact, the question makes no sense in the first place because there is no "God" or "Jesus" in any Christian sense that hasn't been revealed in Scripture. What or who is God and/or Jesus? You don't know outside of revelation. You're just taking the expressions of people who have paid attention to revelation and picking and choosing which parts you want to believe. It's like saying that you believe that the United States has laws, but the First Amendment isn't one of them. That's not really something you get to decide. It exists outside of you.

>Am I like a Protestant on crack or steroids?
Literally the opposite. The whole watchword of Protestantism is "sola scriptura." Without that "scriptura part," and without any sacred Tradition, really you're just saying "I'm makin' all this shit up because it's what I'd like to be true." That's just college freshmen's attempts at postmodernism.

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>>3211004
If one wants to be Christ-like it is necessary to study the Bible in order to learn what Christ-likeness is.

>>3210819
But the word of Christ is in the book...Are you baiting by any chance?

>>3211027
No you can just ask people who have read it, or have studied it deeply. You can also familiarize yourself with some prominent quotes.

>>3211023
>there is no "God" or "Jesus" in any Christian sense that hasn't been revealed in Scripture
God was revealed in the flesh and the Spirit not in the letter.

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>>3211037
A sincere believer thirsts for the source of God's word.

>>3211053
God's Word is a person not a book. You have to get to know him in the flesh and Spirit.

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>>3211059
If you loved that person you would study His words.

>>3211071
Some people have trouble with studies, it would only lead to further confusion.

>>3210855
>unbiased
>sources
Pick one, STEMsperg.

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>>3211107
A perfect opportunity to ask the help of a more mature brother or sister and then the Counselor will handle it from there.

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>>3210990
Shut it hairtick

>>3211133
That's might point, just depend on the knowledge and wisdom of superiors.

>>3211138
my point*

>>3211042
Bullshit. You just gave me a letter. Where'd you get it from?

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>>3211138
>>3211140
Yes faith and humility are Christian qualities.

>>3210783
>non-denominational
https://youtu.be/kZuTjnU5C-s

>Boston University religion scholar Stephen Prothero argues that nondenominationalism hides the fundamental theological and spiritual issues that initially drove the division of Christianity into denominations behind a veneer of "Christian unity". He argues that nondenominationalism encourages a descent of Christianity—and indeed, all religions—into comfortable "general moralism" rather than being a focus for facing the complexities of churchgoers' culture and spirituality. Prothero further argues that it also encourages ignorance of the Scriptures, lowering the overall religious literacy while increasing the potential for inter-religious misunderstandings and conflict.

>Jonathan A. Mitchican, a traditionalist Anglican priest, has also argued that the term non-denominational is essentially misleading: "If an American church calls itself 'non-denominational,' nine times out of ten what that means is Baptist. Altar calls and appeals to personal conversion replace the sacraments as the means of grace. Baptism is a symbol of one's personal conversion, nothing more, and it is only appropriate for adults."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondenominational_Christianity

>>3211004
>kind of info is generally well known and can be gleaned from quotes and other sources like media.
Not in secular society it isn't. The common view of Jesus is that he was either some freedom-loving hippie who just wanted people to be nice to each other, or that he some sort of freedom-loving rugged individualist who'd be right at home in 18th century America.

>He doesn't need to study the Bible
He needs to read the Bible and join the Catholic Church. He's currently headed straight for damnation.