Watching this made me rethink my position on Adolf Hitler. W

>>3209794
then take a look at what he did

I don't doubt Hitler wanted the best for Germans, but he just had to make life shit for the rest of Europe

>>3209811
Explain?

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>>3209821
Well you see Anon, there was this whole World War thing that happened..

>>3209829
Which he did not want.

>>>/pol/

>>3209842
>Which he did not want
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

>>3209842
in what sense?

cause he stressed the need for Lebensraum, and you weren't gonna get that (in the way he wanted) without taking Eastern Europe by force (not like it was gonna be handed to them, even though appeasement went further than he expected)

>>3209882
When was this stated? In his book?

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>>3209794
Oh look you've made this thread again

>>3209842
Then why did he participate in brinksmanship? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

>>3209842
Well he shouldn't have invaded Poland after two world powers said they'd back up Poland if it ever got invaded and ally himself with an aggressive Empire with a penchant for sadism and torture

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>>3209842
It's almost like Germany had repeatedly violated the neutrality of other countries after being told not to, and had been explicitly told that invading Poland would result in war

>sure, we'll look the other way while you re-arm
>sure, we'll look the other way while you re-militarize the rhineland
>sure, we'll look the other way while you annex austria
>sure, we'll look the other way while you dismember our ally

Clearly, ((((((((((Britain)))))))))) was hell-bent on war with Germany.
I really feel so bad for Chamberlain, he worked with Hitler in good faith, all logic and good sense was with him, who could want another war just 20 years after the war? Everyone knew how horrible war is but (((Hitler))) couldn't be reasoned with and he had to destroy Europe, costing millions of lives and ruining nationalism for all future generations.

>>3209887
He was convinced that Germany needed a fuckload of "living space" to be successful, he mentions this in Mein Kampf, shit I think there was a whole chapter dedicated to the topic, Its been a while and I didn't read the entire book.

>>3209896
Wasn't German land given to Poland? It seems like that treaty was a trap to wage another war on Germany.

Britain's war leader Winston Churchill is quoted during the First World War as saying: "Perhaps the next time round the way to do it will be to kill women, children and the civilian population."

>>3209913
Mein Kampf was written while Hitler served time in prison in 1925. What makes you think he still held to his beliefs 14+ years later? Not to mention the book was also cowritten by somebody else as well.

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>>3209794
There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn't he just the most redpilled guy around?! Oh my God. I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your room, giggling like a like girl as you once again type your little Hitler thread up and fill in the captcha. Or maybe you don't even fill in the captcha. Maybe you're such a disgusting /pol/ack that you actually paid for a 4chan pass, so you just past in the link to the video. Oh, and we all know the vid. The "epic" TGSNT video, isn't it? I imagine you little shit laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your Doritos on the floor, but it's ok, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh, that's right. Did I fail to mention? You live with your mother. You are a fat fucking fuckup, she's probably so sick of you already. So sick of having to do everything for you all goddamn day, every day, for a grown man who spends all his time on /his/ posting about fucking Adolf Hitler. Just imagine this. She had you, and then she thought you were gonna be a scientist or an astronaut or something grand, and then you became a stormfag. A pathetic stormfag nigger. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes she could just disappear. She can't even try to talk with you because all you say is "HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG." You've become a parody of your own self. And that's all you are. A sad little man laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he's done a million times now. And that's all you'll ever be.

>>3209914
The majority of the population was Polish, New York City was more German than fucking Poznan

Sad the only counter "arguments" you basement dwelling sovietboos cannprovide is stale pasta that has nothing to do with what is being discussed and infographs as if you stole /pol/'s identity. The irony.

>>3209944
So that puts the German minority in a tougher position, does it not?

>>3209949
off to your safe space then

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>>3209914
>It's okay to invade and genocide the population of a neutral country because some of your people live there
Hmm

>>3209842
Wew.

>>3209958
>Genocide

Ah, it was only a matter of time

>>3209954
>muh PAUL

>>3209914
There was a German Minority living in areas that were lost but I hardly think the solution is to invade a Sovereign nation and then proceed to oppress and murder the Majority pop.

>>3209923
>what is Generalplan Ost?
>what is Blut und Boden that stormniggers like to sperg about?

>>3209923
>What makes you think he still held to his beliefs 14+ years later?
That he pursued an aggressive eastern expansion agenda and suppressed independence movements in places like Ukraine?
>>3209953
Not really, they had special rights guaranteed and could appeal to the League of Nations, they lost the right to appeal because Hitler cared so much about their welfare he left the League

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>>3209968
>There was a German Minority living in areas that were lost but I hardly think the solution is to invade a Sovereign nation and then proceed to oppress and murder the Majority pop.

I'm sure Hitler tried to reason with the leaders of Poland before making that move.

>>3209914
Yeah that tends to happen when a country regains independence. Same thing happened to a dozen of other countries.They got their land back. Germany gets no sympathy points in this situation.

>>3209976
If by reason you mean GIBMEDATS, yes

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>>3209976
>Give up part of your country to us for free or else we'll invade and begin the genocide and enslavement of your entire population, mkay?
Sounds reasonable

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>>3209971
>That he pursued an aggressive eastern expansion agenda and suppressed independence movements in places like Ukraine?

What exactly did they suppress? You do realize it was the Germans who liberated the Ukrainian genocide and famine that was taking place in Holodomor right? And if they were "independent" as you say, then why was the Holodomor incident a result of Soviet intervention?

>>3209988
That's not what happened though. Good job misconstruing what actually happened.

>>3209976
What's theree to negotiate? Every country has foreign minority.
Hitler wanted Poland to be his ally for some time so that he would have a secured eastern border while he deals with France. The Polish government was also the one who first proposed that highway to East Prussia but I don't know what happened to that. But few people knew how to deal with such an autistic fucker causing mess in Europe.

>>3209992
The Holodmor happened almost 10 years before Barbarossa you disingenuous little shit, Ukraine originally welcomed the Germans as liberators until they started shooting them and confiscating their grain, which seems very similar to the Holodmor

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>>3209992
>Liberated
Ah yes they really liberated them by starving and enslaving them

>And if they were "independent" as you say, then why was the Holodomor incident a result of Soviet intervention?
He never claimed they were independent. He said they had independence movements, which is true. They didn't want to be dominated by Nazis or Soviets.

>>3210001
>Every country has foreign minority.

Yep, due to treaties that were designed to be broken.

>>3209992
It's literally the reason Hitler lost in the east.
Germans were treated like liberators by Ukrainians but then they decided to genocied the fuck out of them like idiots.

>>3209882
t. didn't read it in the original German version

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>>3210005
>They didn't want to be dominated by Nazis

"Dominated" is a loose word. You sure about that? They did not want anything to do with Nazis?

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>>3210015
This. They completely failed to capitalize on anti-soviet sentiments in Ukraine and treated them like shit. Even going so far as to steal their food and enslave much of the population for their war machine.

Hitler wanted to genocide 100% of Latgale people in the Baltics.
What for? What was his problem? That's harsher than his stance on other nations.

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>>3210034
Nice propaganda image. I'm sure every propaganda the Soviets pushed were 100% accurate.

>>3210054
You're criticizing propaganda when you supposedly just sat through a 6 hour long fellating of daddy Adolph?

>>3210060
Ah yes, the documentary was produced by Joseph Goebbels himself.

Oh, care to direct me when that documentary was mentioned by me in this thread?

>>3210066
Well maybe you didn't, you're still using a fucking Hitler speech compilation with emotional music as if it's not propaganda in your OP

>>3210054
Nazis and Commies have so much in common.
You can have a great discussion with them about war crimes of the opposite side all acurate and all.

>>3210104
Both want a kind of socialism. Hell, even Lenin said that Mussolini was the "chosen one" who could bring socialism to Italy.

>>3210133
Mussolini was a Marxist who rejected it until he advocated Fascism.

>>3210144
The term Marxist doesn't refer to the political project a politician has. Mussolini had socialist ideas, that Lenin admired; the main conflict between socialism and fascism is that Lenin used an international socialism, but Fascism was based on a national socialism model.

>>3210155

Mussolini was an odd case. He started out as an anti-war socialist, and he ran an anti-war newspaper dedicated to keeping Italy out of the war. But gradually he seem to be won over to the viewpoint that it wasn't acceptable for socialists to just sit back and watch while Republican France "the Birthplace of the Revolution" was being demolished by the Kaiser's Germany. At some point, he became completely turned over and became passionately pro-war, and he started a new publication dedicated to rallying support for entering the war against the Central Powers.

Eventually, he even started saying that victory over the Central Powers would bring about the global revolution and workers paradise. When this obviously failed to occur, Mussolini became jaded with democracy in general and embraced fascism as an alternative.

>>3210225
>He started out as an anti-war socialist
This was a common problem and why the 2nd Internationale died, all the socialist parties became incredibly jingoistic when WW1 kicked off

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OK WHICH ONE OF YOU WAS IT?

hitler said lots of stuff. talk is cheap.

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Thank fuck i grew out of my /pol/ phase two years ago, only now i realize how cringy i was.

>>3210315
>contributing nothing to the thread by saying "PAUL xD"

>>3210493
There's nothing to contribute.

>>3210543
But somehow you felt the need to shitpost. Plebbit is that way >>>

why did he have to destroy (weimar) germany? it was already fixing itself.

>>3210000
Germany was just re-enacting the partition of Poland without Austria this time. It's almost like Germany has a history of attacking Poland for 0 reason. Hell Prussia was made out of land stolen from the Poles by the Teutonic Order.

Destroy all Prussia or Hapsburg descended states.

>>3209794
>"Durr Hitler said it on tape so it must be true!!!1"

>>3212026
it's the touching music that makes it true

>>3209842
Yeah, the frkn Jews made him re-arm and invade all those countries and do all those genocides. The Jews never stop!

>>3209794

>"""""Accurate"""""""

Oh boy, another britboo Churchill dindu nuffin thread.

>if Hitler didn't invade Poland!

LOL
O
L

MEIN

SIDES

What if Russia invaded Poland and crept up on Germanys border? Do you imbeciles not comprehend Britain and Russia were going to attack Germany whether they invaded or not?

>>3212069
Oh boy, another naziboo Hitler dindu nuffin post.

>Germany was defending herself!

LOL
O
L

MY

SIDES

What about Germany creeping up and invading the rest of Czechoslovakia despite the Munich agreement? Do you imbeciles not comprehend that Hitler was an expansionist and he was going to attack Poland regardless of any hypothetical future war with a Soviet aggressor?

>>3212069

>Oh no Germany might have a border with Russia at some vague point in the future
>This is why we need to invade Poland alongside Russia and put our borders next to each other, without any kind of buffer in the way

What did they mean by this?

>>3209794
I genuinely wonder if stormfags are really this stupid or are they pretending. I know they never studied history but isn't it obvious that a public speech isn't exactly a great historical source?

For them speeches are more important than war plans, memoirs, diaries, orders, memos and even events.
Great, if Hitler wanted peace then why he annexed Austria, Sudetenland, Memel and later invaded Czechoslovakia?

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>>3212086
This

>>3212069
>Do you imbeciles not comprehend Britain and Russia were going to attack Germany whether they invaded or not?
No they weren't. Chamberlain had absolutely no interest in war with Germany.
Churchill also planned to go to war with Russia but the Battle of France put a stop to those plans
See: Operation Pike

>>3209794
>President Hacha arrived and talked first with the Reich Foreign Minister. At night he came to see the Fuehrer; we greeted him coldly. First he conversed with the Fuehrer alone; then we were called in. Then I talked to him in the presence of his ambassador and urged him to meet as quickly as possible the Fuehrer's demand that troops be kept back when the Germans marched in, in order that there might be no bloodshed.
>I told him that nothing could be done about it; the Fuehrer had made his decision and considered it necessary, and there would be only unnecessary bloodshed as resistance for any length of time was quite impossible. And in that connection I made the statement that I should be sorry if I had to bomb beautiful Prague.
Truly the most peaceful country in history.

>>3209842
It doesn't matter what he wanted. nobody wants war you fucking imbecile. he wanted everything to just go his way, and the world fought back.

>>3212086
>Hitler was an expansionist for peacefully annexing neighboring providences
>meanwhile the soviets are militarily storming their rouge vassalstates, preparing to invade finland and buffering up their western border while rubbing hands with Churchill
>only matters when da ebil nazzys do it

Way to completely miss the point of that post moiche.

>>3212122
>Britain had intent of invading Germany
>declares war on Germany for preparing to invade the country they secretly wish to invade

Really makes one think.

>>3212093
Poland was going to be invaded by Russia whether Germany joined or not. Why give them room to surround your natural border? Are you that dense?

>>3212150

>Britain had intent of invading Germany

<citation needed>

>>3212150
>Poland was going to be invaded by Russia whether Germany joined or not.
Source? Because it was Germans who first proposed to partition Poland.

I somewhat admire Hitler for his resolve but don't understand this need to whitewash him. He himself would dismiss any such attempt as a sign of weakness. He did what he felt was needed. He believed it was the right thing to do. What's the point of trying to justify it 70+ years later when Hitler himself didn't do it.

>>3212150

Because you can dig in on your natural border, which you know well and is significantly closer to your supply lines, rather than losing a ton of men and equipment to make sure you fight in an unfamiliar location, far from your supplies.

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>>3212122
>Churchill also planned to go to war with Russia

Churchill planned for everyone to go to war.

>>3212150

Wait, you think Churchill was in charge before the war?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oET1WaG5sFk
Listen closely to Hitlers voice.

The guy was charismatic as fuck and was a nice dude to the people closes to him.
This does not excuse his completly crazy plans nor the monstrous things he ordered.

He was so full of delousions yet he always knew the facts that were presented to him throughout the war.

I'm actually terryfied that I might know a chill guy that just secretly wants to exterminate Jews and slavs.

>>3212174
Too many people mention Hitler's outbursts. He wasn't always that calm and nice.

>>3212161
Honestly Stalin needed Hitler more than Hitler needed Stalin. Of course Stalin wanted to spread the revolution but when he was ready. In 1939 he wasn't.

>>3212167
>unfamiliar location
>apart of which was of former Germany

Digging in on your natural border doesn't sound like a good idea when the Russians are expanding around it north and have x10 the amount of troops you do.

>>3212161
>the russians didn't want poland
Okay then

>>3212173
Churchill was pulling the strings.

>>3212208

>former Germany
>decades ago

>>3212174
All Hitler had to do was listen to his generals.

Of course when 20+ assassination attempts are done you lose trust of those around you.

>>3212208

I'm sure you have fantastic evidence that shows Churchill was secretly controlling the government. Ignoring that he seems to have done a poor job of it given how long it took for Britain to declare war.

Can't we just agree that nothing excuses Germany and USSR conspiring together to attack another country and have plans for actual conquest of Europe?

>>3212208
>the russians didn't want poland
What does this mean? I'm asking you for sources. I don't care about your dumb opinion.

>>3209794
>thought provoking question about a 1200's dynasty in hungary amidst the rising tensions of mongols
>3 replies

>shitpost about nazis and/or muslims
>bump limit reached

fuck you /pol/ for turning something once beautiful into a pile of shit.

>>3212204
He had a custom of going into long boring monologues even when meeting with foreign dignitaries.

>>3212208
>Churchill was pulling the strings.
False.

>>3212226
Yes

>>3212241

It's almost like the most destructive event in human history is more interesting than the politics of a minor Kingdom

>>3212212
Ah yes, the 20 year difference in farmland would confuse and be the defeat of the Germans. ¯\_(ツ)_/ ¯ then again you people believe the Germans somehow snuck thousands of soldiers past heavily patrolled borders and military lines in western Poland and killed 56,000 Germans living in Poland without a peep as a falseflag, crept back across the border without being caught and went home. Totally believable and not propaganda.

>>3212231
>Russia didn't want Poland
>invades Poland
>s-show me a paper that says Russia wanted to invade Poland

In truth neither Germany or Russia wanted Poland for Poland, they wanted it as an advantage over the other empire.

>>3212216
Perhaps it has something to do with churchill rolling in Focus bankers money who conviently had a large influence in Russia.

>>3212261

Plan a car journey with a 20 year old map and see how well you do. It's not like militaries gave entire branches dedicated to providing them with the most up to date information on the ground or anything.

>Germans somehow snuck thousands of soldiers past heavily patrolled borders and military lines in western Poland and killed 56,000 Germans living in Poland without a peep as a falseflag, crept back across the border without being caught and went home

Lolwut?

>>3212226
What I've been trying to get these guys to admit is if attacking Poland was the final line of aggression and if Britain REALLY wanted to go after Russia why didn't they side with the Germans to avoid any poles, Frenchman and millions of Jews and slavs from dying?

I don't care for Hitlers idiocy but to insist the Germans caused ww2 is supreme mental gymnastics. Britain wanted war in hopes both threats would destroy themselves because their own empire was crumbling.

>>3212261

And what does having bankers money have to do with him secretly controlling the rest of the government?

>>3212261
It's 58,000 and this number is literally made up.

>Russia didn't want Poland
>invades Poland
17 days after Germany and in accordance with their pact with Germany.

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>>3212289
>but to insist the Germans caused ww2 is supreme mental gymnastics.
Yes, they fucking did you absolute retard.

>>3212289
You don't understand anything. You don't even know history. Why Britain did not attack Germany in 1935 or 1936? You know, before they annexed Austria and Sudetenland and became too powerful to easily defeat them.

>>3212048
>Le music makes it innacurate

This is what the Anglo Sovietboo believes

>>3212299

No, it being biased as fuck makes it inaccurate

>>3212295
>nuh-uh. They did do that.

Not an argument

>>3212300
>a compilation of speeches makes it bias

But history as it's taught has no bias at all

>>3212304

No, it being biased makes it biased

>>3212290
Churchill was tied into the governments corruption.

>>3212278
They would've found maps and been familiar to the main roads. Like I sad within the zone behind the military border was mostly farmland.

>>3212291
Because Russia wasn't prepared to invade it themselves yet as >>3212207
mentioned. Most of their focus att was killing slavs of countries already invaded.

>>3212295
(you)

>>3212296
because britain would've been exposed as the aggressors. Hitler wanted nothing to do with Britain and those anglo spergs kept butting in.

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Hitler, in his speeches, spent time and time again reminding his German subjects that it is not he, but international racketeers that brought this war upon Germany: He kept saying it was Britain and France that emboldened Poland with the confidence to go to war with Germany, he claimed it was the bankers and war industrialists of America who could make money off this war because unlike him they had stocks in the armament industry, and therefore war was forced on the German people.

Carefully selected segments of his speeches with English subtitles are accompanied by colorized high resolution footage stolen from WW2 documentaries with their respective audios muted, then underscored with stolen movie soundtracks like the ones composed by Hans Zimmer, and then presented by today's neo-nazis on Youtube as "documentaries" that "tell the true story" which "THEY don't want YOU to know" and "expose the lies we've all been told about Hitler". One example is a video called "Adolf Hitler's Struggle For Peace": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW-pw4rRvUI

If you have trouble opening the video, just type the given video title in youtube and usually some other neo-nazi will have re-uploaded it with comparatively few views, and therefore it isnt blocked yet. In any case, they garner tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of views and many people get swayed by Hitler the same way the German people did 70 years ago. Part of that fault lies with our own media and education system that ever portray Hitler in fits of rage rather than a cunning and clever orator.

Cont.

>>3212309
>Most of their focus att was killing slavs of countries already invaded.
Such as? Which Slavic countries they invaded before 1939?

>>3212296
Because Germany hadn't become an economic threat to churchills investors, y'know the ones who propped him up after his bankruptcy?

>>3209976
The same way he reasoned with Czechoslovkia and that worked out great.

Czechoslovaks saw the light and gave Germany the Sudetenland and everything worked out just fine for Czecho-uh I mean-the Protectorate of Bohem and Mahren.

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>>3212313
The same people who keep saying "you are a sheep if you trust the government" are here trusting the Hitler government's official speeches, because it plays well into their pre-conceived notion that the Allies are the bad guys because in the Cold War that ensued, the "good guys", especially the US, went on waging a ton of proxy wars to stop the enemy's ideology (communism) from spreading, from the Vietnam war in the 60s over Central- and South America in the 70s, Afghanistan and the Middle East in the 90s to the Global War on Terror today. This makes them believe Hitler when he said he does not have stocks in the armament industry to be a profiteer of war, but the enemy.

Let's examine this "Hitler was a man of peace" meme, shall we?

The first thing this "man of peace" did after the Machtergreifung in 1933 was to ban all other political parties. He confirms it himself in his 10.11.1933 Montagenhalle Berlin speech:

"Vielleicht wird mancher unter Ihnen sein, der es mir nicht verzeihen kann, dass ich die marxistischen Parteien vernichtete. Aber mein Freund: ich hab die anderen genauso vernichtet!"

which translates to:

"Perhaps there's one of you here are who is unable to forgive me because I eradicated the Marxist party. But my friend: I have eradicated all other parties likewise!"

Earlier on 10th February 1933, he had also said:

"Deutsches Volk, gib uns vier Jahre, und ich schwöre dir: So wie wir, und so wie ich in dieses Amt eintrat, so will ich dann gehen."

which translates to:

"German people, give us four years, and I swear: Just as we, and just as I came into office, so will I then leave it."

Cont.

>>3212309

>Churchill was tied into the governments corruption

<citation needed>

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>>3212321
Indeed, what became of Hitler's promise 4 years later? By 1937 he was dictator for life, and anyone publicly criticizing the Nazi party would be put in a camp, if not executed for treason to the German people, because the NSDAP had been deemed the one and only representative of the German people, as Adolf Hitler attested during the Parteitag in early September 1934:

"Denn als unsere Partei gerade sieben Mann hoch war, sprach sie schon zwei Grundsätze aus: Erstens, sie wollte eine wahrhaftige Weltanschauungspartei sein, und zweitens, sie wollte daher kompromisslos die einzige Macht und alleinige Macht in Deutschland."

which translates to:

"Because back when our party numbered just seven men, she made two basic principles: First, she wanted to be a party with a real world-view, and second, she therefore wanted without compromise the sole power and only power in Germany."

and we have Rudolf Hess who made clear in 1934:

"Die Partei ist Hitler! Hitler aber ist Deutschland, wie Deutschland Hitler ist!"

i.e.: "The Party is Hitler. But Hitler is Germany, as Germany is Hitler!"

Cont.

>>3212317
Oh really? But Hitler came to power in 1933. By 1936 Germany was already again quite a powerful country and they were rearming breaking every former treaty.

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>>3212323
This "man of peace" was also orchestrator of the Night of the Long Knives, also known as Operation Hummingbird or the Röhm-Putsch, where from June 30th, to July 2nd 1934 Hitler and his wing murdered the wing of the Nazi party he could no longer work well with: At least 85 people, possibly more than a hundred were killed when Hitler carried out a series of political extra-judicial executions intended to consolidate his and his cabinet's absolute hold on power in Germany. Many of those killed were leaders of the Sturmabteilung (SA), the best-known victim was Ernst Röhm, the SA's leader and one of Hitler's longtime supporters and allies. Leading members of the left-wing Strasserist faction of the NSDAP, along with its figurehead, Gregor Strasser, were also killed, as were prominent conservative anti-Nazis such as former Chancellor Kurt von Schleicher and Gustav Ritter von Kahr, who had suppressed Adolf Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. Does this look like a peaceful way of conflict-solving to you?
Adolf Hitler has had a long trail of blood covered by telling lies to the public. From re-militarizing the entire nation, over claiming German Volksgenossen residing in north-western Czechia (Sudetenland) were being systematically mistreated to the point that annexation or war were the ONLY options; to getting Austria "Heim ins Reich" (and erasing the entire nation's 900 year identity by calling it Ostmark henceforth including even renaming two of its states, Oberösterreich and Niederösterreich to Oberdonau and Niederdonau), historians can list you a long list of demagoguery that would be too long for this post. Encouraged by the passivity of Britain and France (Hitler-Appeasement policy), he wiped yet another nation off the map, namely Czechia, and eventually set his eyes on reclaiming East Prussian territories lost after WW1, including the city of Danzig and the corridor bearing the same name.

It's a "stormcunt who doesn't know the basic chronology of the Second World War" episode

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>>3212327
Let's not forget Hitler's involvement in the Spanish Civil War, especially the bombing of Guernica (a Basque civilian town) under the code name Operation Rügen on April 26, 1937, during which German Luftwaffe planes (part of the Condor Legion) violated the Kriegsvölkerrecht, international laws of armed conflict. Indeed, what were Germans doing in Spain in the 1930s aiding Franco? Perhaps this "peaceful nation" was rehearsing for war?

By this point it was clear that German promises to the rest of Europe were worthless. The annexation of Czechia had already proved that despite assurances in Munich that this would be the last (another lie), Hitler intended to continue taking territory he deemed "should be German", having expanded his army around tenfold and his navy in contravention of treaty obligation.

Hitler got away with re-militarizing the Rhineland despite this being forbidden according to treaties. He got away with annexing Austria "democratically", despite this being forbidden according to treaties. He got away with annexing the Sudetenland despite this territory belonging to a sovereign nation. He got away with swallowing whole the rest of this sovereign nation next. And now he was trying the same thing with the territory of another sovereign nation - the Danzig corridor in Poland.

>>3212261
>you people believe the Germans somehow snuck thousands of soldiers past heavily patrolled borders and military lines in western Poland and killed 56,000 Germans living in Poland without a peep as a falseflag
Not the guy you're talking to and I don't know who "you people" refers to but I haven't seen historical evidence to suggest that number is real in the first place.

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>>3212329
So this allegation of Hitler "proposing peace solutions to the Poles who rejected them" were in reality very much like a street thug offering to leave me alone if I would just give him $100, and then my wallet, and then my bank account. He was not offering peace solutions because there already was peace. He was making demands to keep the peace, backed by threats.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, a non-aggression treaty between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, was signed on August 23, 1939, 9 days before the invasion of Poland. Hitler invaded Poland on September 1st, 1939, having already given the order to do so on August 26th. Early in the afternoon of August 31st, Hitler gave the go-ahead order for pre-planned overt operation that faked an attack around 8pm that evening on the German border radio station Gleiwitz to create a false flag excuse for the invasion that began at 4:45 the next morning, September 1st.

The next day, September 2nd, France and England notified Germany that the invasion of Poland had triggered a mutual defense treaty between the 3 countries. That didn't change Hitler's mind. Something revisionists won't tell you.

On September 3rd, the Nazi government received an ultimatum by the British ambassador demanding a response by eleven o'clock concerning the assurance to withdraw from Polish territory. Even that was ignored. Again, something revisionists will not tell you.

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>>3212332
Only as a result of all this was Germany declared war by Britain and France. Indeed, this "man of peace" then proceeded to invade a whole host of other nations like Denmark, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium, Norway, Yugoslavia, and Greece within the next 2 years. Again, something revisionists conveniently decide to "overlook", or try justifying by saying a war between two big powers turns smaller countries around them into something akin to "pawns on a chessboard ripe for the taking, only to prevent the opposing power from claiming them".

Let's also not forget the fact that Hitler allied himself with the Empire of Japan on September 27, 1940 through the Tripartite Act. Why? They're on the other end of the world, a beyond useless trade partner especially during wartime, so what practical use could an alliance such as this have after the war had started, given that Hitler had already defeated France and sent the British Army across Dunkirk by June 1940? The only logic is if Hitler were following an expansionist geopolitical strategy, specifically in trying to open an eastern front in the Soviet Union (whose western flank he was to invade without warning in summer 1941). The alliance with Japan after WW2 had started is also a slap in the face to any revisionist who insists Germany did not have any international interests, and was only seeking to secure a future for her own people.

>>3212314
Ukraine and Romania were considered territories of the soviet union despite never accepting it in the first place. Albiet it was apart of Russia many of the people resisted the military presence which caused thousands to be murdered. The last stops were Poland and Finland.

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>>3212333
And speaking of Dunkirk, another revisionist fairy tale is that Hitler halted the Wehrmacht's advance to spare the lives of the British trapped on the beach, as a show of compassion with which he hoped Britain would see reason and accept peace terms. In reality, it was Von Rundstedt and Kluge who ordered the advance halted, primarily because the advancing tanks had overextended themselves, the terrain was marshy, the armor was valuable and still needed for the final assault on France, and Göring had assured Hitler that his Luftwaffe could deal with the stragglers on the beach.

Hitler might have been an admirer of the British people due to their anglo-saxon ancestry. But his "many peace offers" revisionists like to remind us were not worth the paper they were written on given this track record, and Winston Churchill, unlike Joseph Stalin, did not fall for them. Stalin did, and how did history reward him for trusting Hitler? Operation Barbarossa, the largest motorized land invasion in the history of mankind that ended up costing over 20 million Soviet lives, and two poorly sourced novels trying to make a quick buck off people 50 years later claiming Hitler's goal of destroying "Judeo-Bolshevism" was but a pre-emptive strike to an invasion of Europe planned by Stalin. Keep in mind the guy had trouble gaining ground in Finland.

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>>3212336
Finally, let's address the question revisionists ask regarding the hypocrisy of Britain and France, given that they did not declare war on the Soviet Union when she invaded Poland two weeks after Hitler did. Let me begin by saying the Soviet Union was not part of the Allied powers until Operation Barbarossa, so "letting an allied power get away with something" is not the answer. Rather, given that Britain and France had already committed themselves to war with a European superpower and Poland was all but overrun, it would have made little sense to declare war on the largest nation on the planet on top of that as well. A bit like committing to challenging a 6 foot bully to a fist-fight but realizing there's an 8 foot bully nearby beating someone else up as well. In the end, when that bully got attacked by this bully, he was considered a friend until the first bully was brought down. Then a cold war ensued with the surviving bully.

The only legitimate question then, is how Britain and France would have acted, had the opposite been the case: the Soviet Union invading Poland first, and Nazi Germany two weeks later. Would their defense treaty have included guaranteeing Poland's safety from a Soviet attack? The answer is no: there was a legal loop-hole that meant the treaty was mostly tailored to respond to German aggression. The idea of the Soviet Union invading Poland, and nothing happening as a result, and then Hitler invading to take back Danzig, and having Britain and France declare war on him wouldn't have sat well with post-war morality. Good thing for the victors then, that Hitler turned out to be an ideological warmonger after all, and Stalin the cold opportunist, rather than the other way round.

>>3212334
What are you talking about? When the Soviet Union invaded Ukraine and Romania?

>>3212334

Romania was part of the Axis...

>>3212324
Hjalmar Schachts economic policies weren't compatible with a war economy the Nazis had taken up in 1940. You're confusing the two.

>>3212331
"You people" as in anti-hitler boos

>>3212348
Those territories were untouched after the Russia government collasped during ww1

>>3212355

Where? Where do "anti-hitler boos" claim that the Germans secretly killed 50 gorrilion Germans as a false flag?

>>3212364
wasn't quoting anyone in this thread. But I figured it would be mentioned eventually.

preemptive (you)

>>3212355
>Those territories were untouched after the Russia government collasped during ww1
I want dates. And how they are relevant to what happened in 1939.

>Hjalmar Schachts economic policies weren't compatible with a war economy the Nazis had taken up in 1940
They already stopped listening to him in 1936.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Year_Plan

And what does this have to do with anything? I'm talking about rearmanent and remilitarization of Rhineland. Both were against the Treaty of Versailles.

>>3212353
He probably means post-liberation.

>>3212379

So you were making shit up?

>>3212353
>>3212348
He probably means the soviets attempts to invade Romania in the 30s. Stalin didn't control Romania until '44

>>3212379
What "anti-Hitler boo" makes such a claim? Not talking about this thread specifically, could you name one historian?

>>3212390

So then he's even more confused/moronic than previously thought

>>3212393
What attempts?

>>3212395
>>3212392
Look up the danzig massacre, it's claimed the Germans stormed the border, killed their own people and ran back before being caught. Lol

>>3212381
>Both were against the Treaty of Versailles
So was France threatening to take the Rhineland because Germany couldn't dig enough coal and print enough marks to pay their debnts.

As for the economics, my point was the Germans had an economy untouched by usury the "Focus" bankers who funded Churchill head of Britain's war propaganda and internal corruption.

>>3212428
>Danzig massacre
You mean the one where the Germans attacked first?

>>3212428
Danzig Massacre isn't real and never was. It's not even part of official Nazi propaganda. You don't know anything about this period.
>So was France threatening to take the Rhineland because Germany couldn't dig enough coal and print enough marks to pay their debnts.
Occupation of Rhineland happened more than 10 years before remilitarization of Rhineland. Again, it has nothing to do with Hitler and his policy.
Why am I even wasting time on you?

>>3212437
I didn't claim it was real. It said it as an (inb4) because it's been mentioned here before.

>Occupation of Rhineland happened more than 10 years before remilitarization of Rhineland

You were the one who brought up the treaty of Versailles, that's why Germany rearmed themselves.

>>3212437
>>3212435
>>3212447
Danzig was real you retards.

Hitler ordered ethnic Germans to be killed so he could invade poland

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>tfw you will never die for the jews

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>autistic jerryboo ignores the comprehensive historically accurate and fair-minded BTFO of his bullshit in favour of shitposting
They're a fucking plague these stormshitters. All that after having the nerve to start a thread suggesting he hadn't already made up his mind about what is right and wrong in this situation.

go back to /pol/ please

>>3212447
>You were the one who brought up the treaty of Versailles, that's why Germany rearmed themselves.
I don't follow you.

>>3212454
Danzig wasn't real.

>>3212464
>comprehensive historically accurate
>4 year old copypasta

>>3212469
Germany violated a treaty france had already violated a dozen times. I don't get the point of discussing it. They would've rearmed had it existed or not.

>>3209794
lol no
This monkey is nothing compared to the Incas. Face your extinction, subhumans.

>>3212479
>Germany violated a treaty france had already violated a dozen times
Examples? Because occupation of Rhineland was not a violation of Versailles treaty.

>>3212469
>Danzig wasn't real

You're as bad as Holocaust deniers. There are literally fucking papers proving it happened.

>>3212488

Cite them

>>3210275
Fucking wisdom!

He was just a populist ahead of his time.

>>3212488
Such as?

>>3212428
I can't take /pol/ seriously. They link to obvious nazi-friendly websites that use quotes that have been proven to be false (like the infamous Daily Mail interview). I could count at least three instances.
How is that for thinking outside of the box? If so much of your material has been debunked. The idea was to make people believe that Poland attacked first (Gleiwitz provocation is supposed to be real in this scenario).Or to protect persecuted German minority (no data). They say the same about the Czech

Reality:

1. Hitler wants to destroy the Stalinist government for the famous "lebensraum." Germany was experiencing baby boom at the time. He also had plans to settle the score with France (Hossbach Memorandum, 1937). Make Germany a competetive empire again.

2. Stalin still has plans for spreading the revolution (only I guess you'll agree the communist state became a bit more nationalistic under his rule). His spy in the Polish ministry of foreign affairs named Tadeusz Kobylański made sure that minister Beck didn't know about the reality of the Soviet threat.

3. Hitler needs Poland to deal with the Soviets or to protect his border while he deals with France. Polish marshal Piłsudski was one of the few men in that part of Europe respected by Hitler but he declined his offer to join formal alliance in 1934 (year earlier he proposed police action against Germany but UK and France declined).

4. Piłsudski dies in 1935. Relationship with Poland worsens. Beck meets with Ribbentrop a couple times sometimes close to actual alliance, at one point, just like Piłsudski, proposed attack on Hitler. Basically he desn't know what to do having such shitty geopolitical location.

5. April 1939, Canaris tells Hitler that Poland allied with Britain. He decides to attack Poland instead. Allies with Stalin. Both need each other temporarily. Polish governent knowing what's gonna happen sends three of their four battleships to London before the war.

>>3212469
>Danzig wasn't real.

You're right. It's called Gdansk.

>>3212503
What about the free city and road to East Prussia? Not that important. In fact the Polish governent at one point proposed the road themselves. But it was mostly about alliances.

>>3212503
Your explanation stinks of Wieczorkiewicz.

>>3212503
Naziboo pls go

>>3212531
Shit you got me.
I don't have to agree with everything he writes about to appreciate the research. He was the best expert about the subject by far. It's true he liked to talk about some wild theories but mostly to give you all possibilities. Some of his fans later expanded on that and added some bullshit like for example that Great Britain allied with Poland to bait Hitler into attacking it first before France.

>>3212503
>let's blame everything on Stalin and the Communists
>Hitler dindu nuffin

t. Zychowicz

>>3212538
Or perhaps you disagree about Kobylański? I think the basic point can be summed up using Piłsudski's quote "you can't sit at two stools at the same time". Not that I advocate for Ribbentrop-Beck. Poland was fucked right fro the start unless Stalin was somehow removed.

>>3212535
What the actual fuck now? At least fucking nazis never call me a commie when I argue with them. Why doesn't it work both ways?

>>3212544
What part of "Hitler planned an aggressive war against his neighbors on both side" did you not understand?

Wieczorkiewicz > Zychowicz >>>>>>>>>> Ziemkiewicz


Still at least the first one should be known to Anglophones. Would answer a lot of their questions. I'm thinking about translating some of his books.

Also both "realists" and "patriots" make some good points. No need to accuse anyone of being a total hack from top to bottom.

>>3212546
You're defending Hitler, what else would a naziboo do? is babby gonna crie? ;((

>>3212567
Both Hitler and Stalin started WWII. You're not gonna whitewash the Soviets. It's up to you if you deal with it.

>>3212503
>Stalin still has plans for spreading the revolution (only I guess you'll agree the communist state became a bit more nationalistic under his rule). His spy in the Polish ministry of foreign affairs named Tadeusz Kobylański made sure that minister Beck didn't know about the reality of the Soviet threat.
And what was the reality of Soviet threat? There were no plans, no orders, nothing. Between 1926 and 1939 Stalin did nothing to expand his empire.

>>3212570
Stalin did nothing to start WWII

Russia was peaceful and prosperous prior to German invasion.

>>3212570
I see Stalin as an opportunist. I don't believe he would have started a war without Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact.

>>3212578
Didn't Germany intercept massages that Russia would invade?

>>3212582
No use speculating what he would do without that but Hitler proved useful to Stalin. He seized the chance and got half of Europe because of it. Probably more than he hoped for before 1939.

>>3212586
Now we're getting into the icebreaker theory that I'd rather not discuss. I don't know what to think about it.
Also what that about Stalin suppressing the communist party in Germany to "help" Hitler?

>>3212586
I don't know anything about it.

>>3212596
In 1933?

>>3212596
I doubt it. Commies were vicious in Germany during the first election.

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>>3209842
Read this

>>3212580
>Russia was peaceful and prosperous

The soviet shilling here needs to stop

>>3212600
The integral part of the Icebreaker theory is not that Stalin wanted to attack Hitler before Barbarossa but that he wanted Hitler to rise to power.

>>3212596
>theory

There goes that word again

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He was a great man. Unfortunately our youth has been brainwashed by the good goys the kike have employed in schools. And so the result is what you see in this thread - a bunch of uneducated kids that don't know what they're talking about aside from "Hitler wuz bad, he personally gassed 6 trillion jews". Let's hope Gen Z is smarter than us and sees through the lies of the kikes.

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>>3212748
You have to go back

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>>3212748

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>>3212779
Funny how you are the personification of what you claim to hate

>>3212748
Hopefully this bait makes the thread more lively.

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>>3212784
Except I'm not

>>3212794
Nice MS Paint skills

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>>3212804
It's not mine

>>3212820
This is missing 'Waffen SS were just soldiers" and something about this new Danzig massacre the kids are going on about these days

>>3212823
GSNT claims that SS was the most multicultural military unit in history and that Einsatzgruppen was just anti-terrorist organisation.

As far as I know the only war crimes commited by the axis that isn't denied in this documentary was the one commited by the Ustasha. There's an entire episode dedicated to Dresden.

>>3212832
Well, I guess the SS was multicultural if you count every single "division" as fully manned and not stuffed full of ethnic Germans from those regions

>>3209794
>watching carefully constructed propaganda from the propaganda ministry makes me think positively about a thing

>>3209907
>cause a world war over a so called """""ally""""""
>when it's all said and done let said """""ally"""""" be occupied for another 45 years

The eternal Anglo, everyone.

>>3212886

>what is the Cold War?

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>>3212886
>when it's all said and done let said """""ally"""""" be occupied for another 45 years
Didn't have a choice. Had they gone to war with the Soviets after the German surrender as Churchill wished, millions more people would die. It wouldn't be worth it.

>>3212886
I've read an article in which the author claims that most Poles consider British heroes. Why are they this delusional?

>>3212897
Probably because they tried the hardest during the airlift to Poland during Warsaw and cripple cunt FDR was scared of Stalin

>>3212896
Just don't make excuses for the phony war. Or the treatment of soldiers, officers and politicians during and after the war. People in the east actually hoped for another WWIII. I wonder what would've happened if FDR ignored Stalin's wishes. It's not like Stalin was in position to make a deal with Hitler at that point.

>>3212912
The nicest things I've heard a Pole saying about the British in WWII comes from the book by the already mentioned Wieczorkiewicz who wrote that Churchill "fought like a lion" for a different outcome of the post-WWII political map of Europe. At least to some extent because later he became Chamberlain only for Stalin.

Personally I also think it's nice that the British didn't throw out the Polish government in-exile.

>>3212919
>People in the east actually hoped for another WWIII
Only in your dreams

>>3212941
Interviewed any veterans or people who took refuge in other countries? Officers and members of the government? Members of the anti-Soviet resistance after 1945? They all wanted it. Why the fuck wouldn't they want their country to be free?

>>3212948
None of these were a majority, otherwise the East German revolt, Prague and Budapest would have spread like wildfire and the Soviets would be unable to put them down

>>3212948
>Interviewed any veterans or people who took refuge in other countries...
So a very small fraction of "people"

>Why the fuck wouldn't they want their country to be free?
Most people would prefer Russians over living in radioactive wasteland.

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>>3212950

Because during every war most people don't fight. They're just trying to survive. No dubt many people just wanted to survive today and worry about the rest later.
The Soviet army was what was preventing nation-wide uprisings in Europe. Without it comunist governments in the eastern block would be immediately kicked out and that's what they were saying themselves.
There was still quite a big resistance after the war. And not without reason. NKVD and the Soviet army were a threat to ordinary people, people got murdered, raped, arrested. Soldiers who were still fighting after 1945 were preparing for a possible WWIII.

A symbol of the Polish hope for independence was "Anders on the white horse." General Anders was a prominent Polish officer and people in the country and in exile wanted him to go back to Poland with the allies to liberate them.

The pic comes from some communist newspaper ridiculing it.

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>>3212993
And today.

/pol/ is not containing anymore. how do we solve this problem?

>>3213005
Keep crying about it, that might work.

>>3209907
>Colonization and plunder for me but not for thee
>American and British logic

Good luck with your vaunted democracy as mongrels rot your countries from within.

>>3213030
rude

>>3213048
>Colonization and plunder against non-whites, not against whites

ftfy

>>3212832
The Einsatzgruppen was an anti terrorist organisation though.

>>3213051
Well, if you keep feeding them they'll only keep on with their shit.

>>3213048

>it's a "stormcunts pretend that Germany didn't have an overseas empire too" episode

>>3213064
The Irish aren't white? Britain gave them the same treatment the Germans gave the Polish.

>>3213083
They acquired territories late. Besides, what difference does it make? Germany never impeded on British territory they sought to make their own way under the same rules laid out by their 'moral betters'.

>>3213100

It's almost like Germany had already started one massively destructive war and was being prevented from expanding as punishment, or something...

>>3213087
If Brits gave them the same treatment as Germans did to Poles, there would be no Irish.

>>3213128
there are no irish people left.
There is only english people with a funny accent larping as celts

>>3213128
Just like there are no Poles right?
>>3213124
And Britain has the right to dish out that punishment right? I'm sure in the mind of the delusional and self-righteous Anglo they do. It doesn't really matter in the end. Their empire is gone, their island is failing politically, socially, and economically, and soon Germany will extract their fee for a pathetic chauvinistic display by Britain's disillusioned population.

>Danzig massacre
People who use this term should be banned.

>>3213124
They lost their oversea territories after ww1.
He's talking about Germany uniting late und getting to the party in the late nineteenhundreds

>>3213143
He's saying that Germans were worse to Poles than Brits to Irish people.

>>3213168
They were. A number of Irish people managed to become a part of the elite in the 19th century and there was no systematic state program of extermination.

>>3213168
>>3213174
Policy of extermination refers exclusively to the National Socialist policy during occupation (and extermination of the Polish nation, not necessarily Polish ethnic groups). Should I infer that Cromwell's policy towards the Irish should be painted broadly as British policy?

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>>3209811

Hey made life shit for Germans too.

I mean yes, you can want something really bad, but when you are drugged up on meth and all your cronies are drug addicts or nut cases too, and you won't listen to your generals about reality, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A BAD TIME.

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>>3209890

>>3213143

It's almost like Britain was on the winning side of the war and so was able to set the terms of surrender...

>>3213152
K. People who deny history should be banned

>>3213206
Right. Just as Germany is the dominant power in Europe now and will set the terms by which Britain forks over 70 billion Euros as punishment for their hollow display of nationalism.

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>>3213183

>Mein Fuhrer! We are surrounded! I will put forth a plan to break out!

>You will stay and goddamn fight to the last man!

>Without supplies?

>Um... Let me check... One sec... Goering says he can supply you with air drops?

>Wait what?!

>What?

Sometimes later...

>The whole army is eating horses! And we are out of bullets to fight with! We are down to 90,000 men out of 600,000. I'm going to surrender.

>Um. I'm promoting you to field marshal. Oh and no German field marshall has ever been taken alive... Hint. Hint.

>Fuck you.

>>3213207
Depends. The fact that when refering to WWII people call this city Danzig should tell the story. It was a neutral city-state. At the time Germans had the majority. Poland had one post office and one armory. If I remember the last mayor was even tried for war crimes and during the 30s there were many anti-Polish demonstrations and incidents. That's about it.

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>>3213216

>Mein Fuhrer! Our troops are surrounded at at Kustrin. We must break out!

>They will stay and goddamn fight to the last man!

>Not this shit again! Fuck it! I quit!

>No your fired! For the second time it seems...

>>3213249

>Guderian was dismissed twice, first on 26 December 1941 and again on 28 March 1945. The last dismissal followed a shouting match with Hitler over the loss of the German forces encircled at Küstrin.

Shouting match? Really Hitler?

>>3212896
Shouldn't have started a war in the first place then

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why is it that the stormfag only ever has these cheap appeals to emotion, made up as you go history, and hitler propaganda speeches to back up their claims against actual history? Are these faggots for real, or am I just being trolled?

>>3213270
If there are people who believe in paranormal shit, this seems fairly tame

>>3213282

Flat Earthers on /x/ are like the holocaust deniers on /his/. Same exact logic on how they got to their conclusion via materials they found on the interwebs.

Though I like the Flat Earthers better since they don't believe in Holocaust denial either. Shits too dumb for even them.

>>3212174
It is so much deeper than I expected, pretty soothing even.
Wtf..

>>3213290
>muh conspiracy theories are all categorized together

It's getting old

>>3212174
And imagine that this was during operation Reinhart, so he allready was pretty fu

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>>3213305

When you pretty much keep asking evidence for round earth or gas chambers, and people continually provide evidence, but you keep replying "That's shit is all made up!"

No. Its pretty much all the same.

>>3213305

I actually do seperate conspiracy theories into real and bullshit. As in, this theory, while crazy and having little to no proof, is at least possible. This would be something like "The Mayor of my town is involved in illegal money laundering scheme with a few local businesses"

Then theres the bullshit one, which of course have no proof and are extremly unlikely to have ever happend. This is flat earther, holocaust denial, alien abduction ect. stuff

>>3213305
But I agree they are very similar. Both would require insane number of people of different nationalities and background to dedicate their lives to keep a secret for nothing.

>>3212259
>was hitler right shitpost having any redeeming value.

ww2 is neat, moronic neonazi ideaology shoudlnt be given the time of day