>ruins her reputation as a historian by defending retarded

>>3203662
>female academics
>reputation

>>3203662

She's a patsy.

>>3203662
>>>/pol/

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>multicultural

What is the "redpilled" thing to advocate, monoculturalism?

>>3203662

She probably went from 10 twitter followers to 1000 because of this shit

>>3203675

the actual historical truth. Revisionism for the goal of a modern political goal is cancer and should be called out. I shut down denier fags and I will continue to mock and shut down left wingers who do similar shit

>>3203675
Otherwise known as just culture.

>>>/pol/

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>>3203674
>>>/leftypol/

>>3203662
>roastbeef person
>having academic value
Pick one and only one.

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>>3203662
Cannot unsee this desu

>>3203674
>>3203683

why is calling out people who lie about history /pol/? Do you think its okay to lie about history as long as it serves left wing ideas?

>>3203675
you can keep posting that cancer just make sure not to post the only good female character

>>3203662
how will she ever recover now that racists people that think women are inferior anyway dislike her

>>3203705

how is not believing in lies about history racist anon?

Okay, so basically what happened here:

1)The BBC overrepresented black people. The Roman one while a tad dark, wasn't too bad (compared to Ironage/Norman ones)
2)/pol/ goes 'EVERYONE IN THE EMPIRE WAS 100% WHITE AND NOT MULTICULTURAL'
3)Historians see the verbal minority in 2, have a '...huh? The Empire was a mix of cultures, the hell are you on about?' and write off the complainers as racists
4)/pol/ thinks this is the same as the historians agreeing that 'THEY WUZ KANGS', writes them off as libtards

It's two sides arguing different topics ('BLACKS' V 'The Roman Empire was all white') and getting angry that the other side doesn't seem to be listening.

If the initial complainer had chosen to rant about the celtic/ironage/norman blacks? He'd have a point. Alas, he picked the one one that actually had a shread of possibility to it.

So instead of it coming across as 'that's a lot more black people in celtic britain than there should be', it's coming off as 'racists don't grasp that the roman empire was more than one ethnic group'

She will die as a lonely hippie boomer piece of shit.

Generation Z incoming.

>>3203717
TRUTH IS RACIST GOY!

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>>3203720

No, BBC lied and produced propaganda for children and was called out on their lies. Then a few left wingers who agreed with the propaganda message tried to defend it while having nothing to back up their claims. Now all you are doing is calling everyone who called you out on your lie racist.

revisonist history lies are a cancer that will always be called out by this board

you are at the point where Paul Joseph Watson is making you and anyone who agrees with your use of lies look like an idiot

>>3203734
>you

You realise I look down on both sides, yes?

The 'ROMANS WERE 100% WHITE' side are morons.

The 'THERE WERE BLACK CELTICS' is moronic.

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>>3203720
>it's coming off as 'racists don't grasp that the roman empire was more than one ethnic group'

this is literally a strawman you are using since your lie was called out and even you know you cant defend it. Its disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself

>>3203662
>>3203673
>>3203691
Such is the state of this board

>>3203720
>not being white means you're a nigger
This is what (((Anglos))) actually believe.

>>3203739
>You realise I look down on both sides, yes?

No, you realize you cant defend this lie and are trying to save face for that side. They lied about history. They are scum. Stop shilling for them please. You wouldnt give concessions like this to holocaust deniers, so you shouldnt give it to left wing propagandist either.

>>3203741
?
The guy in the twitter post used the roman bit as his 'rewritting history' arguement, which came off 'reee how dare there be black romans', which could have happened (personally, it should be a lighter brown for Moor)

The black celts, nobles, ironsmiths and normans is lies though. If he'd used any of those, then his arguement wouldn't get classed as 'just a racist'

>children indoctrinated into believing hateful propaganda

Yes /pol/ is a terrible blight.

>>3203751
>repeatedly point out that they were dishonest, but the person calling it out used the wrong example
>point out why their arguement is being misunderstood
>this is shilling for the bbc
???

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>>3203662

>There were no black ro.......

>>3203767
that's not black.

There were -unlikely- to have been any subsaharan ones in any large numbers.

Moors? Yeah, some.
Persians? Yeah.
Black as ash? No

>>3203770

It's the exact same skin tone as the man in the cartoon.

>>3203741
It is possible you could find a black blacksmith and soldier, but it would be extremely rare case.

>>3203734
Why is this such a problem? Why does it threaten your life? It's just one character in each video that is black. I understand as historians we strive for the facts as much as possible, but I fee like /pol/ and some people,are way to but blasted about this. There were some Black African in Rome the same way there were some jews, North Africans, central asians, and germananics. Were they all nobles? Likely not, but they could have been at least one rich Black African if a former slave to a rich man.
black cells is dumb but not something to gwt butt blasted over.

Wasn't there three Roman emperor from Africa.

>>3203777
Your eyes are broken, sir

>>3203790
North african, not south.

>>3203787
See, the african is fine.

It's the black celts, normans and english barons that are 'this makes no sense'.

I don't get why /pol/ is focused on the roman bit of it

>Implying emperor DeAndre aka "Hadrian" wasn't black
Why are whites so insecure and supremacist at the same time?

>>3203787
>Why is this such a problem?

because its a lie in the name of promoting multiculturalism, specifically to children. Stop playing dumb and pretending theirs no motive to this or that any other group of people would be unjustified in being angry if someone lied about their history like that.

> There were some Black African in Rome
the video said it was a typical roman family. Again, stop playing stupid anon.

>>3203739
This isn't about saying the Romans were 100% white, it's about the Britons being almost 100% white bar some legionaries that may have been Middle Eastern or Berber. Nobody's denying that.

What people are denying is the claim that a black family is somehow representative of a typical family in Roman Britain.

>>3203790

yyeah, in the sense that charlize theron is from Africa

>>3203684
Is leftypol an actual board is or is it just a name for circlejerk left-leaning threads on pol?

>>3203779
>but it would be extremely rare case.

exactly, so dont show them.

its pretty bad when fucking paul joseph watson is smarter than these fucks. Seriously, why are people here unironcially defending we wuzian shit? trolling?

>>3203824
Even if it is an extremely rare case. What is wrong with showing one scene of an extremely rare case happening for entertainment.

I'm not supporting black Roman Britons or anything, I'm just asking what is wrong with showing a black blacksmith even if it was rare?

>>3203830
>What is wrong with showing one scene of an extremely rare case happening for entertainment.

its not entertainment, it was an educational show for children. And it serves we wuzian shit in the form of forced diversity quotas enacted by the BBC. I dont understand why since its european history, we have to let this stupid shit slide.

>>3203808
I didn't watch the whole video. I thought they meant in terms of practices for ordinary romans not nobility or in terms of race. Did they imply that black Africa character was patrician or even well to do?
I will watch the whole thing later.

>>3203828
People don't care about the truth. They care about whatever narrative advances their interests. They will lie through their teeth. This is the true redpilled.

>>3203905
red pill*

>>3203896

yes. the video was about a typical roman family living in british roman territory. It was pure we wuzians dogshit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtPZhDH4QU8

>>3203770
shut up. you don't understand the argument at hand. there were black Romans. They just weren't typical and they would all be ex slaves obviously.

>>3203918
A typical Roman family was not well to do or patrician so you failed to answer my question but ok. I will watch.

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>>3203675
anti-culturalism

>>3203921
>all ex-slaves

Says who?

>>3203921

>they would all be ex slaves obviously

A pretty substantial portion of the Roman population, by which I mean >50% of it, would have been either ex-slaves or the decendents of ex-slaves. If you don't accept this as true immediately, you're supremely ignorant of the sheer number people who were brought into the city as slaves. It's not even questionable. It is a mathematical certainty considering the number of slaves brought into the city per month.

She's British what do you expect they've been brainwashed into completely revisiting what their history has been so as to fit the current PC narrative. It's all garbage of course and it's going to end up where the only historians worth listening to are ones from countries not infected with this filth like former eastern bloc countries and russia.

>>3203998
British historians are a fucking joke.

>>3203823
It's a board on 8gag

>>3203779
In Iron Age Britain? Come on now. That's just ridiculous. Where are the remains of these African men that seem to be present at every stage of early British history? Where are they in the records ? We found tombs and remains of every other kind of people that ever set foot on Great Britain, but as far as I know the only pre-modern non-European ones were 4 skeletons dated to Roman time, in York, of North African or possibly Arabic relatively wealthy people, presumably merchants. One study then uses this to claim that Britain was very ethnically diverse at the time, and that study has been parroted and blown out of proportion by progressive media.

Now, regarding that particular Black guy in that BBC Roman Britain cartoon: just consider the amount of suspension of disbelief needed to imagine that maybe, possibly, one Nubian guy somehow went from Aegyptus to Brittania either as an auxiliary, despite the fact that auxiliary troops in Britain were traditionally Germanic, as a soldier, which means he would have had to enlist in the legion despite not being a Roman citizen, and somehow managed to not only become an officer wealthy enough to have a large house and multiple slaves, but also take a native wife. This is something straight out of a fan fiction and shouldn't be in an state-sponsored educational show for children. And certainly not something that should be endorsed in any way by any self-respecting historian, especially not for political reasons.

>>3203662
Only barely heard of her before this whole thing, but I'm not from an anglophone country and didn't pursue classical history more than the required, so I guess it makes sense. I doubt any prominent historian will call her out on her obvious bullshit, at least if British academia is anything like academia here. Either too mild-mannered, or too leftist. Seems like she's already got a bit of a bad reputation, though.

>>3203823
It's a board on 8ch that's composed of about 5 people who do nothing but create shitty memes and circle-jerk on youtube. They're a bigger boogeyman than /pol/.

>>3203662
I really don't give a shit what lies and bullshit they broadcast as long as it helps the little fatherless niglets grow up with a role model that's not a rapper or a gangster.

It's important for the uneducated masses of mudskins to see that they can at least try to be something they are not.

>>3204076
>giving role models to niggers is more important than historical accuracy

>>3203662
>ruins her reputation
As if anyone knew who she was before you autists started sperging.

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>>3204076
>he thinks lil tyrones watch bbc teach

>>3203787
>>3203921
>Black Africans in Rome
>Central Asians

Where are the goddamn archeological proofs ? At least show me your sources, if you make that claim. If there was such a population, it should be more than easy to prove, right? Apparently Britain was home to Africans and Arabs and I've even seen claims of East Asians, but somehow I've never read about remains of such people in Rome itself.

>>3204120
Shut up you Nazi.

>>3204080
If someone wants accuracy they wouldn't be watching a cartoon.
>>3204096
There's enough of the propaganda everywhere that lil tyrones will soon have trouble not watching dindus doing.

>>3203779
>it is possible
No, no its not

>>3204084
Nah, she's the British media's token leftist academic. She's on panels and shows loads of time.

>>3203675
The continued existence of culture

>>3203850
>educational show for children
>Not entertainment
You what mate? Besides one extremely rare case of a black blacksmith being show isn't the end of the world.

Celtic and Roman Britons was stupid.

>>3204144
Who the fuck said its the end of the world? Its historically inaccurate and should be changed.

>>3203767
That fresco is from Pompeii and he is the same ethnicity as his wife next to him

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>>3204127
>this shilledittor awkwardly trying to fit in while defending bbc

>>3203662
I'm in the middle of her SPQR book. Should I stop or is it still good?

>>3204163
it's good for light reading, don't take it too seriously. I recall it being basically the Labor Party version of history

>>3204127
It's not "someone", it's kids. 8 yo kids slightly interested in History. Are you proposing that they should go read Tacitus, and in Latin to avoid translation errors? There's no way accurate vulgarisation is possible, right?

>>3204178
Yeah, she's a really big socialist. Doesn't mean everything she says is wrong though

>>3204163
the book is fine

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>>3204162

>>3204125
I should have used that trick when my doctoral advisor was busting my balls about sources.

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>>3204205

>>3204218
Big missed opportunity anon, you could have made your career by exposing that fascist.

>>3204188
I'm a slav and we got a ton of uneducated gypsies, I wouldn't give a single shit if they started broadcasting propaganda showing how able gypsies were in history or how they contributed to society and were a part of everything.

Why? Because it's better for them to see fiction and maybe motivate them tiny little bit to stop being them and be more like us.

Showing non-whites in historically white-only roles is an amazing tool for assimilation.

>>3204144
>Besides one extremely rare case of a black blacksmith

that isnt all it was and you know it. You know this shit is stupid which is why you have to reduce it to that strawman in the first place.

>>3204120
wow you are very ignorant of the expansion of the Roman empire if you deny the existing of any Black Africans in the empire. Rome had slaves from almost everywhere touching the European continent .
abut here my proof: there was a passage by Juvenal, a famous Roman misanthrope and satirist, basically complaining about the possibliities of Roman women being "blacked" by African slaves of their household. I will look for it later. It was in a book called As the Romans Did by Shelton though.

>>3203675
>monoculturalism
You mean... culture?

>>3204347
I was almost certain this was your source. A passage from a satirist. Nice proof. There's no way this guy could have taken a single incident and used it to make a point about perceived Roman moral decay, right? Are Suetonius or Procopius' Secret History good sources for you?

Where are the remains of these slaves? Where is the archeological proof? African remains can be easily identified, and there has been numerous studies of everything from tombs to mass graves, surely all these Black slaves would have been identified, right?

I'm not arguing that there has never been a single African slave in Rome. However, Black slavery certainly wasn't a staple of Roman society. We wouldn't have to rely on a questionable source to prove that it existed if it had been a staple.

>>3204609
Mary Beard also viewed remains of a Black African with another Archeologist in Pompeii. Watch her documentary Meet the Romans.

Why would Juvenal make up seeing black African slaves in Rome? Like I can understand you being skeptical of the idea Roman women were cheating on their husbands with then(that's likely just his inner /pol/tard and troll channeling) but what reason would he have to make up a story that their were black slaves in Rome considering Rome had a large institution of slavery with slaves imported from all over?
Why are you so against the idea that black Africans could be imported to the empire as slaves? Rome did not limit themselves to only North Africa as the Empire continued to expand. Is it that hard to believe? Rome conquered far and at least some black Africans did migrate to different parts of Africa. FOR GOODNESS SAKES, there were still Nubians and blacks being used as servants and body guard in Egypt.
How is it hard to believe that black Africans could be anywhere besides subsaharan Africa? Your case is as highly improbable as a black Celt.
Mind you, I'm not talking about these videos where supposedly blacks are taking on roles as nobles(it is highly unlikely that woul happened) but still your argument is pretty silly and as I probable.

>>3205007
>>3204609
Improbable*

Also to make this clearer, no one is arguing it was a staple! BBC, maybe(tough they seem to also be arguing they were commonly nobles too).
They weren't numerous, but there was some. More than just a single case every 10 years is what I'm saying. It wasn't common but it's not like a black African in Rome was as rare as a shiny Pokemon or anything. You're being ridiculous was my point and missed the debate hand while doing so.

>>3204609

>However, Black slavery certainly wasn't a staple of Roman society

Romans weren't picky about who they enslaved, dude.

>>3203662
Her books suck.

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>>3203720
This is the truth.
BBC did over present black. But Rome was super fucking diverse. That was how they were able to keep all of these different cultures under their yolk.

>INB4 libtard

>>3203958
Were you agreeing with me or disagreeing? I really can't tell what you're arguing or if you're just saying exactly what I said and explain shit to me that I already know.
You can't be a "Roman"[citizen] unless you're a a freedman/woman.
If the latter, are you retarded?
Blacks wouldn't be the only ex slaves obviously. They wouldn't even make the 4th highest percentage. I'm just saying to claim that they were exceedingly rare, or worst, didn't exist is pure retardation.

>>3204127
If you want to give them role models then write comic books with fictional nigger superheroes, stop distorting history and teaching people lies for ideological purposes you evil fucking cunt.

>>3203936
Uhm... Roman law?
You fool, slaves aren't Roman. You can't be a Roman[citizen] as a slave. Only ex-slaves could become Romans, otherwise, they would just be slaves living in Rome. Actually learn about Roman law and culture before you splerg all over a thread about historical inaccuracies.

>>3203830
>I have a small amount of time to teach about several centuries of history
>I will waste it on irrelevant anecdotical shit

>>3205047

You've yet to demonstrate the "lie" yet. Yes, there were in fact black Africans in the Roman empire. It would be a lie to say otherwise.

>>3205047
Seriously though, why can't there be more black heroes like Static Shock? He was so based and original. Instead we get Spiderman remakes with an African American or James bond remakes.
I'm hopeful for this new Black Panther capeshit movie though.

>>3205061
Nigger Celts never existed.

>>3205074

That's probably true, but this thread is about Romans.

>>3203830
They claimed it is a typical Roman family in the video.

>>3204144
It's people like you, who promotes the relativization of what is an obvious disregard for accuracy, who causes the black celt warrior. If you defend the black legionary and the black blacksmith you're defending the black celt. It's not about what you think but about what you do.

>>3203918
Give me the actual video, you shit. Not a review or rant on it. I can't find it on you tube. It's all just alt right autists bitching about it.

>>3205081
There is no evidence of nigger Romans ever being in Britain.

>>3205036
>super diverse
>posts a regular mediterranean man

If you want to see how "diverse" Rome was check past-century photos of Italy, Greece or Spain. They are indeed diverse, but a black is basically a fairy. They're not diverse like the anglosphere archetype were you're either a blue eyed pasty white or a coal colored black/indian/abbo.

>>3203674
kys

historical revisionism is never acceptable

>>3205089

It's entirely plausible that a Nubian could have been brought into Rome as a slave, and then later gained his freedom by some mechanism (Rome was very unique among classical societies in that slavery was rarely a life sentence, and upon being declared "free" a slave was immediately granted Roman citizenship) and then he, or possibly one of his descendants, later decided to join the Roman legions, and then was stationed in Britain at some point in his career.

>>3205149

There is nothing wrong with historical revisionism so long as it is based in sound evidence.

>>3205161
I agree they are perfectly in their rights to depicting a black Roman family. I disagree that they should say it was typical though. It really isn't. Then again, I haven't been able to find the actual video. All I see is alt right fags ranting about it as well as liberals crying about hate speech. Can someone help me out?

>>3205161
There were no black Celts and Africans were over represented in a video about the history of Roman Britain

>>3203720
this

>>3205153
I swear one day someone discovers there was a singular black Viking somewhere and suddenly every Viking movie will feature Will Smith, Denzel Washington and Idris Elba playing Olaf, Erik and Ragnar. Niggers are such a gigantically overbloated meme in the media it's not even funny.

>>3205153
He asked for evidence of a black roman men in Britain, not a made up story of a single random dude.

>>3205175
It really is unfortunate, the worst part is that I can't figure out why it even happens. In the US African Americans only make up around 14% of the pop. and yet are grossly over represented in our media. What for? Wouldn't it make more sense to cater to the Majority pop. instead? It gets even more ridiculous when history is involved, like the new Call of Duty game (I know I know) having Black German Women in it. I really do hope its restricted only to the multiplayer and not the single player part of the game.

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>>3205170
>>3205172

Look, I've never tried defending the Celt thing so you win I guess?

>>3205175

All those actors are people who are consistently "bankable" which is ultimately what the movie studies care about. It's not like they're not longer producing movies with white male protagonists, that's still very much the norm.

>>3203681
this

>>3205036
>But Rome was super fucking diverse
Right, but Britain was not. It was almost completely white, with some troops from North Africa or other places and a Berber Governor.

That's no more diverse than the British Raj was, and nobody says that was anything other than almost completely Indian, and rightly so.

>>3205214
Aren't there like 200 different varieties of Indian/Paki?

>>3205218
Yep, and there were many different tribes in Roman Britain too. They still had more in common with one another than the occupiers.

>>3205188
It's catastrophic. You've got the Mafia series created by a Czech studio and it's indeed about playing an Italian-American mobster, then with the third game an American studio takes over the developnent and the main character is suddenly a black dude in New Orleans and Italians are just goofy antagonists alongside KKK and racist cops.

Cant speak for or against Beard because I never saw exactly what she said in the last thread on this, but...
Taleb was a prick about it. Instead of using some scholarly decency and preparing an argument he starts shouting insults like a child. Not to mention the whole "I dont recognize phds in history" thing.
Whole thing kinda ticked me off more than Beard's beliefs.

>>3205301
He only went berserk after the cunt mockingly mentioned he just writes pop crap nobody should take seriously even though he has more academic credentials than her.

>>3203751
> shilling
Argument dropped.

>>3205149
It is not revisionist you dumb /pol/ virgin. There were black Romans, deal with it.

>>3203675
The fact that a multiplicity of cultures have no more inherent value than a single one.
Culture has no inherent value, so adding up cultures does not result in something of greater value.

>>3205335
>There were black Romans, deal with it.
Not him. Prove it.

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>>3205335
But what evidence is there that there were any in Britannia?

>>3203787
You're moving the goalposts and projecting hard. If you don't see the harm in revisionism then you don't need to be in this thread.

>>3203720
>over represented

You're full of shit.

With that rhetoric they could have included a Martian and you would say "they over represented extraterrestrials"

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>>3205335
There were also black slave owners who fought for the confederacy. Stop calling people names it just makes you childish.

>>3203662
>retarded multicultural revisionist propaganda

>>>/pol/

>>3205268
Atleast the story was good.
That was the only thing holding that game together. Repetitive as shit.

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>>3203662
>Supposed to be an academic
>Cites north african people being in britain as justification for whatever shitheap britain is today
lmao @ this boomer
1. North Africans in Britain (government positions) would have been of Greek/Semitic descent. They would have looked like Lebanese or Syrian.
2. Sub-saharan africans don't have a massive presence in North Africa now let alone then. The presence of Africans anywhere in that region is mostly a legacy of Arab slave trading/recent migration.
3. The only significant black african presence in the ancient world was Abyssinia.

tl;dr this bitch takes anecdotal evidence and stretches it to make broad assumptions. DNA evidence not to mention a disturbingly rudimentary knowledge of the ancient world proves her wrong. I wouldn't deny that people/things from n.Africa/Asia made it to Britain of course it did. There may have even been sub-Saharans. But again the real issue is she took anecdotal evidence and bullshitted about it. Some "academic"

>>3205198
If you defend the black roman, you indirectly defend the rest. See >>3205084 If the black celt really bothered you, you would see that the cause from him being there is people defending the roman.

>>3205036
"Diverse"

Sub-saharans and Chinese were not represented in Rome. Persians, Arabs, and Egyptians were.

You see, the thing about the ancient world is that moving across long distances used to take a lot of time. You needed money and motive to go. That meant that, by and large, people stayed where they were born. Most of them stayed in the village or town that they were born in. What little "multi-culturalism" they had was nothing compared to today when you can fly across the world in less than a day.

This isn't a moral issue. Its not a good or bad thing. It's just history.

>>3205445
>>>reddit

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>>3203720
Sounds like people on both sides need a healthy dose of chill-the-fuck-out.

>>3203675
>thing to advocate
Historians, and scientists in general, shouldn't advocate anything, plain and simple. They should simply figure out the truth and tell it without passing judgement on it.

>>3203684
What's up with all the aspie shoes?

>>3205432
There were also a whole bunch of people who didn't own slaves who fought for the confederacy, and there were a whole bunch of slave owners in the north as well.

>>3203720
>2)/pol/ goes 'EVERYONE IN THE EMPIRE WAS 100% WHITE AND NOT MULTICULTURAL'
This never happened you fucktard mongoloid. You're just making shit up. Black celts were called out in like the second thread on the subject. Jesus, it's like nobody on this board cares even an ounce about history, but instead just wants to attack and bitch at /pol/.

>>3204049

Its dead as a board but the "leftypol" community exists in a subreddit, and it's mostly concerned with opposing /pol/ in reddit itself, since most of them are vastly less unhinged and belligerent than their counterparts and thus can't stomach 4chan for long.

>>3203720
You're wrong

>>3205028
>>3205007

For a black, honest to god 100% west african black to even GET to the mediterranean it would have been a monumental odyssey, there was an impenetrable desert and nothing like a trade route or common transport to take you by chance.

A Numidian or even an Ethiopian that would join the legion is more feasible though still hardly likely for reasons of culture, but ask yourself, why the fuck would Rome take in a guy from the Nile and transport him to the ass-end of the known world to make him serve there? And if they were slaves or ex-slaves, who the fuck would buy a guy from all the way over there and transport them to do petty jobs when there were slaves from literally everywhere much closer you could pick? And why would a freed black man go to a cold shithole instead of staying in comfy, warm and safe mediterranean lands?

Finding only a single black person in all of Britain in hundreds of years would be as realistic as you could hope to get, why are we seeing several, and why does the narrative just happens to feature these fucking freak occurrences while claiming to be a general view of events?

That's what's weird and suspicious.

>>3206000
>why the fuck would Rome take in a guy from the Nile and transport him to the ass-end of the known world to make him serve there?
Because it's easier to get your soldiers to supress rebellions when their cousins, uncles, and brothers aren't part of them.

>>3203662
Isn't the whole idea of these retarded cartoons that it's modern people LARPing as Romans and Celts to explain it to the audience?

>>3203823
Was a thing a couple of years ago made up of mabye 50 or so ultra-sectarian lefts arguing over their autistic snowflake versions of socialism.

Better than /pol/ but it seemed like it was beginning to burn out/be taken over by normies/liberals. Not sure if it's still a thing.

>>3203662
Literally only /pol/tards believe this.

Please, leave this board, and don't come back.

>>3203662
All memes aside, a couple of Sarmatian detachments at Hadrian's Wall and a few Syrian and Berber merchants does not, a multicultural, empire make. Most people prior to the last century didn't mass-migrate anywhere. Britain was still 99% Briton, Gaul was still mostly Gallic and Italy was still mostly Italians.

>>3204084
>As if anyone knew who she was before you autists started sperging.

She's one of the most famous Classicists in our country, and probably the only one that a normie would ever have heard of. She does a lot of Big Black Cock documentaries.

>Overall among most tweeters and commenters there was far too great a desire for certainty in the face of the diversity of the past (and when people suggested that certainty was unattainable, that was turned into a ‘you historians don’t know anything then’).

>One thing is for sure, the Roman empire — Britain included — was cultural and ethnically diverse, from the Syrians in Bath, to Quintus Lollius Urbicus, the Ethiopian who met Septimius Severus on Hadrian’s Wall and the wonderful couple from South Shields, Barates and Queenie (‘Regina’), he from Palmyra, she an Essex girl. There is no doubt about that. The trouble is that pinning this down in specific cases to precise ethnicities is much harder than many would like and it requires an array of historical and scientific techniques.

>Even in the case of Septimius Severus, the first Roman emperor from Africa (Libya), we don’t actually know the colour of his skin, how far he was ‘native’, how far the descendent of Italian settler. The same goes for Quintus Lollius Urbicus, often claimed to be Berber, which he may well have been, but it isn’t certain, and anyway it isn’t actually a simple question of either/or, as the marriages of Barates and Queenie shows.

>When it comes to human remains, which are not all that numerous, there are an array of techniques than can point you in the right direction, but aren’t the magic bullet. There is the relatively old-fashioned cranial observation; there are also more techy scientific techniques such as isotope analysis on the teeth. This cant tell you exactly where someone was born, but it gives a clue to the climatic conditions in which they lived while they grew up; so you can identify those who were children in warmer or colder climes. It was on the basis of a combination of such techniques that the Chinese in London were identified. None of this contradicts the general diversity claim, but overall supports it.

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>>3203662
>Dunno what this is about.
>OK it's basically internet screeching about some shit cartoon.
>"ruins her reputation as a historian by defending retarded multicultural revisionist propaganda."

Is /pol/ just making up news all the time?

>>3203767

Wat. The guy in the cartoon is black, I could find native people in any country in Europe with darker skin then the guy in the fresco. He looks quintessentially Italian or greek

>>3206155
It's in normie news. Some dumb cartoon showed black celts and romans and claims it was the norm. Beard defends it, people lose their shit.

Not /pol/ but it is pretty dumb.

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>People are defending the use of a publicly funded education channel to teach factually and intellectually dishonest history in order to push a modern political and ideological agenda

How are Brits not aware of the insanely Orwellian society they live in? Jesus lord save me how did it come to this

>>3203787

Lol you think there were the same amount of black Romans as Germanic and Jewish romans? There were loads of Germanic people in rome at one point. By the sacking of time the roman military was like 100% german . Not as many Jews in rome as germanics because njews are/were a smaller group, but there were still alot

>>3203662
>ruins her reputation
Among basement dwelling nazis? I don't really think their opinions count for much.

>>3206165
I agree it is, but someone with her credentials doesn't lose that shit overnight via Pop History Faggotry.

This silly bint obviously doesn't realise that the only point of contact between the Roman Empire and sub-saharan Africa was an impenetrable marshland so hard to get through it is literally called "the barrier" in Arabic today.

>>3206169
It's ok because at the end of the day you get to pat yourself on the back for being nice to brown people

>>3206193
You joke about it but people unironically think like that

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>>3203669
>female
>academics

>>3203812
But, like, nobody is actually saying that...

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>Check her twitter
>Pages and pages of her saying "I wont engage with those dirty dang trolls anymore"
>Countless nobodies with blue ticks next to their names replying to her, saying she's such a "brave woman" and "Roman Britain was full of blacks."

>>3206432
The BBC was.

Meanwhile Cambridge faculty double down:

http://www.classics.cam.ac.uk/roman-britain

>Roman Britain has long been an important part of the teaching and research in the Faculty of Classics. The question of ethnic diversity in the province has been getting unusual amounts of attention recently. Professor Mary Beard has been at the centre of some of this attention. In the Faculty we welcome and encourage public interest in, and reasoned debate about, the ancient world, such as Professor Beard has always sought to encourage. The evidence is in fact overwhelming that Roman Britain was indeed a multi-ethnic society. This was not, of course, evenly spread through the province, and it would have been infinitely more noticeable — it can be assumed — in an urban or military context than in a rural one. There are, however, still significant gaps in our understanding. New scientific evidence (including but not limited to genetic data) offers exciting ways forward, but it needs to be interpreted carefully.

>>3203662
>ruins her reputation
[citation needed]

>>3206169

I think its that whole frog in the hot water thing, where as the heat is slowly increased, they have no idea its happening.

>that post the other night from one londoner saying its not a big deal at all and moving the goal post AGAIN to now say it was done to get black kids into history

>>3203767
>a guy with a tan is black
This is what burgers actually believe.

>>3206000
Numidians were not black, ethiopians were never part of the empire.

Romans did move soldiers from one part of the empire to the other quite a lot. It's just that they barely had any blacks inside their borders, just a couple of nubians in present day north Sudan. It wasn't heavily populated or stable (they even abandoned it under Diocletian) so not the best place to recruit soldiers from or put attention to it in any other way.

>>3206000
>A Numidian
Numidians, AKA Berbers untainted by Arabs or Black Africans, were as pale as Europeans.

Same for the Mauri, aka Moors

I hate this idea that AFRICA = BLACK

>>3206139
>Quintus Lollius Urbicus was a Berber[1] governor of Roman Britain between the years 139 and 142, during the reign of the Roman Emperor Antoninus Pius.
>impliying he was a burn-faced ethiopian

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>>3203767
not black tanned from working outside in the hot sun his wife is pale as she stayed at home as was the custom.

>>3207351
I think a lot of people confuse Nubian and Numidian

>>3206432

except for the BBC, which is why this whole bullshit is happening in the first place. They LITERALLY described the video as a day in the life of a typical roman family

There's literally nothing wrong with more representation of minorities on TV you shitlords.

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>>3206139
>cultural and ethnically diverse
>culturally diverse
it would appear somebody doesn't understand how conquest works

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>>3207427

The Roman Empire was multiracial, its just that the left thinks that Gauls/Celts/Germanics/Greeks/North Africans/Italians/Semites/Anatolians meant that blacks were common since a few from southern Egypt inhabited administrative positions and auxiliary roles in Africa.

>>3207471
pretty much and that north African means west African.

>>3207452
Can you really argue with a straight face that the culture in Hispania and the culture in Constantinople were the same

>>3207471
Even the academic in OP isn't arguing that it was "common".

>>3207598
can you argue with a straight face that the Celtic Iberians culture still existed at the end of the western roman empire?

There is actually evidence for the presence of a Gambian Legion during the construction of the Antonine Wall, and we know from archaeogical evidence that Cogidubnus, King of the Regenses, was half Trinidadian.

So could /pol/ please just fuck off about this subject.

>>3206432
>But, like,
Fuck off reddit

>>3207427
Then go find subjects where "minorities" can be represented.

>>3207652
do you have sources?

>>3207720
Nigger did you actually get baited by that shitpost? He said Trinidadian which is in the fucking Caribbean.

>>3207733
taking the piss and calling him out
sarcasm doesn't translate well by text

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>>3203767

>>3207742
>taking the piss and calling him out

Yeah right, both taking it seriously and not at the same time, how convenient.

>>3205083

Did they though

>>3206139
>Berbers
>Ethiopian

Is this bitch insane?

I wish people would just dispense with these cover arguments and bring up the elephant in the room.

Which is why the BBC put a black guy in there, why the alt-right cares, and why the liberals are defending it.

[spoiler]The answers are: Forced diversity; they're secretly racist; they're stupid[/spoiler]

I wish everyone involved would just fuck off and die, I fucking hate the post-2007 world

>>3203674
>Not supporting frauds makes you /pol/

>>3207779
>Which is why the BBC put a black guy in there
It's obvious to everyone why the guy was black and not Berber, Syrian, Greek or Gaul, the retards just pretend to be blind and act like BBC (nomen est omen) just randomly and not deliberately picked a black person out of all the ethnicities that existed in Rome. It's like emperor's new clothes.

>>3207779

everyone knows this, but none who are defending it will ever admit it because then they are basically just admitting its a lie to serve a modern political goal, meaning they are shilling revisionist history

>>3207760

yes. The description of the video was of a typical roman family

>>3206155
So if we don't agree with black celts we are "hurr slash poewll" now ?

>>3203675
That's literally just culture, and yes.

Think about it. A Nation is a bunch of people united by a common cultural and (usually) ethnic grouping. A nation-state, is a government ruling over these people.

Why destroy the nation in favor of the state? That enforced disunity will cause nothing but problems for very little upside. It's not like you have to live under the same government to exchange ideas, trade, or share recipes for muh ethnic food. In fact, if you allow the cultures their own self determination and uniqueness, then you get a diversity if paths and ideas that others can see from a distance and adapt some of the better ones.

If you're a young man who needs an analogy, think of it like a videogame where different parties research different techs and explore different playstyles to see what works best for them.

Multiculturalism is always going cause friction or disaster (ethnic cleansings, balkanization, strongman oppression and ethnic favoritism like you see in every stable Middle Eastern government, etc) because different cultures will always have different ideas on what their ruling government should be doing on a fundamental level. The myth of modern liberal democracy being the only possible way to exist flies in the face of every culture that doesn't have strong humanistic traditions.

>>3203662
I mentioned this before on another board, she already made a programme shilling about how diverse rome was.

The issue isn't whether or not there were any blacks in the Roman Empire. There obviously were. The issue is whether they were common, and especially whether they were common in Britain. The answer is that, no, there there were not a lot in Britain. So why show any? It's just historical revisionism, which is never acceptable, being included for some political goal. And this isn't even touching upon stuff like the black Celts, who absolutely did not exist.
You don't need to hate niggers to see where the problem here is.

>>3207842
yes. britain has always been multicultural. if you have a problem with that, then fuck off nazi

>>3207757
if i seriously believed him id look it myself wouldn't i?
Gambian Legion really! we are dealing with people who actually believe this shite and try and pass it of as fact i cant fucking tell if people are taking the piss or not all i can do is mockingly ask for source

Mary Beard wrote an article reply to the twitter shit.
https://www.the-tls.co.uk/roman-britain-black-white/

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>tfw you live in an eastern european shithole and your life sucks but at least you get a front row seat of the cultural suicide conducted in the west making it almost worth going on because eventually it will all come crashing down and you'll be able to do what you were born to do
I will liberate you all

>>3208906
>Quintus Lollius Urbicus, the Ethiopian who met Septimius Severus on Hadrian’s Wall
>The same goes for Quintus Lollius Urbicus, often claimed to be Berber
hmm

This is borderline north african = subsaharran african wewuz.

>>3209349
plz hurry

>>3209452
This

I guess if they come from Africa it must mean they were Sub Saharan African to the BBC

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>VVE

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>>3209484
WUZ

>>3209494

ROMANS

How did she ruin her reputation? The majority of academia are liberals and agree with her.

>>3209687
She ruined her reputation among /pol/ memers.

PJW is an idiot but it's fucking pathetic that no historian can respond to him in good faith

>>3209484
Why did /pol/ get so upset about this, anyway? Was it just shitposting, or did they think this was the greatest upset to white culture that week?

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>>3203662
Has anyone here gotten through her book SPQR? I couldn't make it past the first couple chapters because her writing style was so shit.

>>3209768
They've moved onto child trafficking tunnels all over DC now

>>3203850
They just put in some black characters so the video would appeal to black kids. Stop being so triggered.

Isn't it better that they get interested in history that way and discover the bullshit of wewuzzing themselves, instead of mongloids like you shoving their /pol/ bullshit down peoples throat and only creating animosity

>>3209494

>that dislike bar

there is still hope for man

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>>3203674
>>3203683
>>3203720
>>3203759
>>3203787
>>3203800
>>3205335
>>3205445
>>3206129
>>3206155
>>3207652
>>3209718
>>3209768

>>3209891
It's probably all from /pol/. But I want to believe.

>>3203662
Virtue signalling and showing those EVIL ALT-RIGHTERS trumps all. Mike Duncan did the same thing sadly. It's really depressing because you know they know they're full of shit but their culture war shit is too ingrained to not allow them to call this shit out.

>>3209772
The book seemed fine to me

>>3209924
I thought she got off-track too often. She would go along with these different trains of thought so long that her original point was almost forgotten. At least that's my opinion. I much prefer authors who just get the damn point across.

>>3209863
>discover the bullshit of we wuzzing themselves
Except they won't, this is the official story put out by mainstream historical sources now. This wasn't just some independent history channel putting this shit in, this was paid for with British tax funds.

>>3205208
That.

>>3205748
This. Normatove theory should fuck off.

>>3205208
>>3205748
>>3210136
>>3210221
those

I'd like to see evidence of an "Ethiopian" Roman in britain or a skeleton with forensically black features from the Roman era. If Beard wanted to really BTFO racists she'd dig through her old books and records like a professional, I haven't seen any examples. Just north Africans. Maybe there was like a 1% chance they were black due to random black merchants and such going up and down the Nile and having children in the Roman Empire though.

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>>3207157
>New scientific evidence (including but not limited to genetic data) offers exciting ways forward, but it needs to be (((interpreted))) carefully.

>>3209863
If you allow this, there will be no discovery of any wewuzing. Is it that hard to grasp?

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>>3203767

>>3206000
>why the fuck would Rome take in a guy from the Nile and transport him to the ass-end of the known world to make him serve there?
So that the legions have no roots in the regions that they garrison, and are therefore less likely to revolt if you tell them to start "pacifying" the population?

>>3210690
>>3206095

but you'd just move them a couple provinces away at most, instead of going through a logistical nightmare of sailing/marching every single legionary as far the fuck away as possible. I don't think you understand just how far Britannia is from Nubia.

>>3206122
It still exist but it's fucking awful now. A bunch of Reddit refugees from the fem empire ruined it.

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>>3203767
>Jokes on y-

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>>3210719
>I don't think you understand just how far Britannia is from Nubia.
I don't think you understand just how competent Romans were when it came to marching soldiers up and down Europe

>>3210933
Foreigners being imported to subdue the natives is a very different narrative to the
>we have always been a nation of immigrants :)
I don't think anyone itt is saying its impossible people darker than eggshell white stepped foot in Britain prior to 1945. Its just this disingenuous interpretation of history is transparently political.

>>3210933

yeah but why move them so far? they made a legion for almost every province, if you were a man in say, Syria, you wouldn't end up in a ship going to Iberia, you'd get written in a lot and end up in Egypt at most, and likely you would be in an Auxiliary unit that would be specialized for warfare in the region it was raised, meaning you'd have a fat chance of being useful fighting some celt faggot.

>>3210978
>yeah but why move them so far?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintus_Lollius_Urbicus
the only real answer is "who the fuck knows?" Probably somehow related to its bloated, hopelessly corrupt central bureaucracy

>>3203681
But you won't shut down right wingers who does it?

>>3211024
Fairly sure that's what he meant by denier fags (holocaust deniers.)

>>3211030
Right wing Revisionism extends to more then just denying the holocaust, they will have you belive that Rome collapsed because of the welfare system, women's rights and immigrants who refused to assimilate.

>>3211041
Aside from women's rights (which something you included just because it's part of the cookie cutter yank liberal check list) those all are parts of the reason why the Rome fell. Never the sole reason, but a part of it yes.

>immigration
I mean, if you take the broad definition of immigration it is correct. Tribes migrating into the Empire caused instability. The Romans fucked up the handling of these tribes, and thus assimilation was never possible. Unassimilated tribes did lead to instability in the Empire.
>welfare system
The system unto itself didn't cause anything, but when in some situations it became impossible to continue the bread dole it caused political instability. This is undeniable.

>>3211127
But some people do blame women's right for the fall of Rome.
>The Romans fucked up the handling of these tribes, and thus assimilation was never possible.
Exactly but the right wingers will tell you that the fault lies entirely with the immigrants and not with Rome when the fault was all on Rome.

>>3211041
rome actually fell because of a lack of muslims and transgender bathrooms

>>3211008

That's no legionary isn it?

>>3211135

There is no one solely guilty part to the immigrant crisis caused by Rome, unless you count Attila being Attila.

Rome had a system in place, it had a process that worked, and a good deal of citizens and allied tribes who were content with the way things were going. You cannot blame the Romans for blundering through a situation nobody had faced before on such scale, and considering the huge internal strife they were managing at the time it was even a noble effort. Romans saw a colossal mass of barbarians moving and crashing against their border with no hope of tending all their needs and the certainty that they were all unruly and dangerous as Germanics had always fucking been. They did far more for them than a truly intolerant Rome would have by actually settling them instead of turning them the fuck around by force and brutality like they used to. Furthermore, they lived with this problem for a much longer time than anyone would have expected.

On the other hand the Germanics DID go on the offensive, pillaged and carved themselves kingdoms as soon as the Romans didnt give them everything.

>>3211420
>On the other hand the Germanics DID go on the offensive, pillaged and carved themselves kingdoms as soon as the Romans didnt give them everything.
That's a funny way of saying the Germanic had enough of Romes shit after Rome sold them grain for insane prices and then forced the Germanic to sell their children in exchange for dog meat.

>All this butthurt over a shitty made cartoon for kids.
>For kids who don't really learn history until middle school, highschool, and college.

>>3211420
All the Germanics did was abandon the pretense there was anything roman left in the constant civil wars that undermined the late western roman empire.

And even then the Ostrogoths kept LARPing right up until Belisarius stomped their shit in.

>>3211437

Yeah, and the actual Romans were eating banquets and living lavishly right? Not like there weren't grain shortages due to devastating war and plague, or a financial crisis with the first recorded hyper inflation that made people not put the needs and well being of some fucking foreigners that decided to come by themselves and park in Roman territory very highly on their priorities, foreigners that still carried swords and imposed their cultures where they saw fit.

>>3211462
They parked in Rome because they got permission to park there, they only had their swords because the Roman boarder control was sloopy and corrupt and didn't take the weapons like they where supposed to.

>>3209863
Cant they learn about history on their own? Or they just cant if theres only white guys? Do you need historical lies so you feel represented? Dude I am from an ex native town all the classes of history were about people that werent from my same race I still had no trouble neither I needed identification, imagine how stupid if my proffesor were to show us a video about the diaguitas and he put random white indians just because the minority of white kids in class wouldn't feel represented

>>3203823
Leftist /pol/.

Was good in 2015. Went into shitstorm in 2016.

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>>3203720
I'm very glad we live in a world where /pol/ exists. Aren't you all?

>>3203823
It has literally like 200 people on it total. 4chan has 100x that every hour, and that's just users who post.

Shipping blacks to Rome would have been a pretty expensive whim. Black people in Rome must have been a rarity just from a statistical point of view, and even more in Britain (if there were any).
Also xenophobia is a natural instinct, I don't think people back then were particularly nigger friendly...

>>3210978
>yeah but why move them so far?
why did the chicken cross the road?

seriously, one simple reason was "because we can!" It was quite easy for Romans to put Iberian troops on a ship and move them to the middle east or Egypt. Even after the empire fell medieval crusaders pulled the same trick.
Also troops from a different corner of the empire will show no mercy if they crush a rebellion. E.g. if the Jews are rebelling you send Germanic troops.

>>3203693
Fuugg

>>3212312
>They parked in Rome because they got permission to park there

"permission" under the pressure of widespread violence and even more destruction

this irks me about the whole thing, Rome really didn't have a choice or any hope of actually keeping all the Germans at the borders or fighting them all off. It was a slow invasion, not a migration.

>>3210978
>they made a legion for almost every province,

nigga you know fuck all about the roman army

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>>3205722
eh, i'd argue that there was indeed a significant amount of "moving around" in the empire, particularly during the pax romana, but you are correct in stating that it is nowhere near the amount or manner of our present day traveling.

merchants get around, and there were lots of them in the empire. there were also many slaves that were moved around the empire in droves.

i'd argue that the "born where you will die" situation was more found in the medieval ages of europe and near east when serfdom, latifundia, themes, manorial systems, etc. rooted the people to the land.

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>>3211041
>they will have you belive that Rome collapsed because of the welfare system, women's rights and immigrants who refused to assimilate.

nice strawman because your revisionist lies got called out faggot.

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>>3204609
Not that guy but I was recently reading a biography of Spetimus severvus were it mentions,quoting from the HA and another source, that at the end of
His rule he went to britan to see Hadrian's wall and there he encountered a detachment of black legionaries. It is mentioned that he punished one either, according to one source, for his pranks or was offences by dark skin. Given the well know promiscuity of legionaries......

>>3203720
This, pretty much

>>3209948
She takes a very centrist approach to writing history. There is no point to her findings, she's demonstrating there are a lot of different ways to look at a certain source.

>>3212773
>I don't think people back then were particularly nigger friendly...
Pretty sure they weren't. They used to hate each other from a valley to another.

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>>3203662
>ruins her reputation as a historian by defending retarded multicultural revisionist propaganda

I hate to break it to you, laddie, but the reputation of brilliant and award winning Classicist was never dependent on the opinion of a bunch of /pol/tards that got mad over a perfectly reasonable depiction of a nig nog in Roman Britain.

You lads are just going to have to suck it up and realise you are an irrelevance and, frankly, a little bit stupid and, to put it bluntly, wrong.

>>3214440
>wrong
Inaccurate. Any racial depiction of the Roman society is pure speculation. As far as we know they could have been 90% black.

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>>3214480
>Any racial depiction of the Roman society is pure speculation

>>3211420
>That's no legionary isn it?
Did you not read the article? He was a high ranking officer who worked his way up the ranks to governor of Roman Britain. There was no way to rise that high in Roman society without being part of the military. He was also the son of Berber Numidians, who were from north Africa.

The reason we don't have much information about African plebs or Auxiliaries is the same reason we don't have much information about Italian ones: the only literate ones in that society were members of the aristocracy, they were the only ones bothering to record their own history.

The Pax Romana was an unprecedented era of peace in Western Europe. People and information flowed like never before. One key advantage that Rome had over any other city-state was the strength of its engineering corps, who when not building siege equipment would have been building and maintaining roads, aqueducts, and harbors. And when legionaries weren't slaughtering forest apes on the frontiers of the known world they were policing those roads and the seas, cleansing them of highwaymen and pirates. This era was so peaceful that metropolitan areas didn't even have to build walls. The spread of Christianity was only possible because missionaries could go from town-to-town and not worry about the local religious status quo hunting them down and eating them. Military recruits could find themselves on a far-flung frontier hundreds of miles from home. Legionaries did a LOT of marching.

>>3214781
Numidians and modern berbers aren't black no matter how hard you force the meme that they are.

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>>3211420
You make a lot of assumptions here
>it had a process that worked, and a good deal of citizens and allied tribes who were content with the way things were going.
Rome was plagued with endemic unrest. The pax Romana was its most peaceful era. There's a story whose source escapes me of a Roman government official in the Republic era, when tasked between importing grain to feed starving Romans or importing sand to create racing fields, he chose the sand knowing that it was better to let a small number of very poor starve than take away a larger number of Romans' public entertainment and risk a city-wide riot which would need the army to quell. These were an ornery, superstitious people with a stifling shame culture.

By the late Republic, Optimates were feeding anti-immigration propaganda to voters in order to marginalize and confine the Populares to urban areas, and that's when the romanization process began to break down, from the social wars until the rise of Augustus. The whole point of being a citizen was getting a say in how your government was being managed, and by the time of the "first citizen" being a Roman citizen was a bunch of responsibilities and tax obligations in exchange for a horse-and-pony show. Their judicial system was a horrendously corrupt pay-to-play mess and would stay that way until Justinian

>Romans saw a colossal mass of barbarians moving and crashing against their border
Hardly the first time Rome was faced with a barbarian horde of gigantic size. It got sacked by one in 384 BC.

>carved themselves kingdoms as soon as the Romans didnt give them everything.
476 AD was not the first time that Rome had to be bailed out by one of its satellite people, but it was the first time that those satellite peoples had been second class citizens whom the Romans had been royally dicking over for years and had no real cultural incentive to preserve the central bureaucracy

>>3214820
No one suggested they were. But what it does suggest is two things

Romans were a pragmatic people who cared more about merit enough that even non-Italians could rise to positions of prestige.

A wide mixture of people from different cultures could flow easily across the empire, and that individuals could travel far and wide. St. Paul is another good example of a non-Italian (a Jew from the Levant who had his Roman citizenship) who got around a lot.

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>>3209452
I mean, just because he is dark doesn't mean he is negroid. There are Indians darker than some black people or as dark as some subsahran Africans. Ethiopians also have very curly hair anyway plus are dark. Pic related. Why does it even matter when race is so fluid anyway,once we start talking about boarders within continents.
You have to admit /pol/ and the alt right were exaggerating. The code never said it was a "typical family" just that they were a family.
I kept looking for that word to be found in the video, even in the description, but it just wasn't said.

>>3214519
Well, show facts...

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>>3215407
Conclusion, there was not enough blacks in Rome to leave a genetic trace, and even North Africans seem to have been very few.
Imagine in Britain...

>>3203741
>that image

King John, I'm Magna Carta!

>>3205808
>nobody on this board cares even an ounce about history, but instead just wants to attack and bitch at /pol/.
That is indeed the entire contribution of a certain segment of the board's population.

>>3203662

>conflates diverse races living in literally the biggest Empire in history with all of them being Roman citizens
>historian

Why are /pol/tards so obsessed with black people?

>>3218164
Should be asking why the BBC is, not /pol/.

>>3218182
/pol/ cant stop talking and thinking about black people 24/7
It's not healthy

>>3218182
>makes the nth "why is Africa undeveloped" thread.
Yeah sure, just the BBC...

>>3203759
Pol is right

>>3206122
>Better thank pol.

No way, there is literally nothing wrong with pol.

>>3206175
They seems to understand history better than some left cucks.

>>3218195
Rather sure it's just bait to get /pol/ and /leftypol/ to argue.

>>3203662
What exactly did the Beard do?