So who discovered America first? It was Columb, AMERIGO VESPUCCI,

Native Americans :^)

>>3185329
Define "discover"

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>>3185338
>discover

>>3185338
person who reached America

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>>3185343
>person who reached America

>>3185338
"person who gave America its first reacharound"

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>>3185346
>person who gave America its first reacharound

>>3185329
The first euopeans were probably the Norse. The first known people who discovered it were siberians who became the Amerindians. And there's some speculation that homo erectus like people did it too.

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>>3185362
>The first euopeans were probably the Norse

>>3185329
Bering Strait > Pineapples > VIKANGZ > Christi Colombo, telescope inspector

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>>3185386
>Pineapples

>>3185386
do you i think i understand you?

>>3185400
ProtoAmerindians crossing the Bering Straight, then Polynesians, then Vikings, Christopher Colombus, then Vespucci.

>>3185386
You seem to have forgotten about the jews and crusaders that came to america.

>>3185343
native americans.

>>3185424
Did they really reach America? I mean, they got to Hawaii but the US shores are still a very far way away with fewer big islands.

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>>3185487
They probably reached South America from Rapa Nui before it went to shit.
I think most of the proof is DNA from crops and Chickens that were exchanged and shouldn't be on their respective sides of the ocean otherwise.

>>3185543
Actually it was probably the other way round.

>>3185561
So South Americans reached there and then Polynesian people met them there? Polynesia is interesting. I don't really think I would ever get a bunch of dudes on some canoes send go sailing the ocean for fun. I guess population pressure?

>>3185570
The Inca colonization of Rapa Nui and Mangareva, implies that pre-inca cultures knew about those islands. They didn't sail on canoes. They used rafts that chimu used to trade with mesoamerican cultures.

>>3185424
>Vespucci
>Ves Pucci
>Boi Pucci
>boy pussy

>>3185585
>>>3185570
The Inca colonization of Rapa Nui and Mangareva

Fiction

>>3185329
Native Americans, obviously.

>>3185329
Who cares, historically speaking only one of them is relevant.
For all we care Vikings could have got to the moon and we forgot about it, that's how relevant their "discovery" was.

>>3185329
Outside of the Natives themselves, the Vikings

>>3185329
The first was the Siberian tribes 14 k years ago

>>3185882
Wrong. Literally the legends of both sides of the Ocean confirms it. The Moais are dated approximately from the Tupac Yupanqui era, the legend even says that those small travelers knew these things and later they killed them, for enslaving them. Mangareva Island has even commom names and the Inca Tupa on several substantives. The travel from South America to those islands were pretty much possible knowing that part of the DNA https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267125/ from certain individuals which ancestry isn't known, can be traced to ancient prehistoric mixing. The coastal South american cultures had rafts that used to trade with mesoamericans. Different chronicles said that those cultures knew about some islands on the pacific Ocean, that's how Tupac Yupanqui decided to sail and colonize those places.

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>>3186505
Also, if you still think it was impossible to sail to the Polynesian islands...
Literally Thor Heyerdahl succeded in reaching Polynesia from SA

>>3186505
>>3186544
>The legends say its true

Oh geez... Now I'm convinced

People have been reproducing a distorted version of history they mistakenly believe for a long time now but the truth will come out
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ9ud6bjd4k
#StayWoke

>>3185329
It depends on what you mean. It was Colombus who made the existence of America public knowledge in Europe, but the first humans there were the Eskimos from Siberia. Or maybe the Polynesians.

>>3186609
Wrong. Archaelogical similarities and cultural ones alongside crops and species, and don't forget the link (DNA), all of this confirms it.

Incas colonized Polynesia. History demonstrates it. Get over it, chimp.

>>3186649
False, those retards couldn't get to Mexico let alone Polynesia

Carthage discovered the New world
/thread

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>>3186614
How do they keep getting away with this?

>>3186649
>Incas colonized Polynesia.
With what naval science? The other way around is much more plausible.
They probably just have landed in SA few times and that's it. You don't colonize a continent in such a short time with a dozen guys on a canoe.

>>3186760
Don't try and argue with the Incatard, he'll just repeat his "history demonstrates this Eurangutan" mantra

>>3186614
You've forgotten about DA WAWSHITAW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPpl5DlqlqU

The Blacks

>>3186795
Jesus. Those comments.

>>3186681
West Mexic did have contacts with Andeans. The port of Zacatula where Tarascans or Colima controlled (depending what year since they fought a war losing this territory) is where they came to trade.

>>3186819
THE BLACK PIT OF DESPAIR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM6XdbYqX00

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>>3186760
Records from spaniards literally say that the Ecuadorian and northern Peruvian locals were experts at navigation. Rafts like pic were the technology from then.
>>3186781
Why are eurangutans so butthurt about a simple fact?

This record from Western Mexico talking about SouthAmerican maritime trade route. Both continents' chroniclers confirm the same hehehe

>"Letter from the royal accountant Rodrigo de Albornoz to His Majesty, reporting on the latest events in New Spain . . . [Mexico], 15 December, 1525."
>The two ships that were under construction in Zacatula and one brigantine are completed and could soon sail on [a voyage] of discovery for the Spice Islands, which, the pilots here say, according to reckoning and theirmaps, are no more than 600 to 700 leagues away; and there are reports from the Indians who say that on the way there are islands rich in pearls and precious stones, and being toward the south, there is reason to suppose that there is gold in abundance; and on being questioned how they know that thereshould be islands in that direction, the Indians of the Zacatula coast say that often they heard their fathers and grandfathers relate that from time to time Indians from certain islands toward the south, which they point to, would come to
this coast in large canoes, and they brought there exquisite things which they would trade for local products; and sometimes when the sea grew rough, for there were much larger waves there than at any other part of the south [coast], those that had come would stay for five or six months until good weather occurred and the sea became calm, and then they would depart; and thus it is certain that there are islands near, and there is reason [to think] that they are rich ones..."

Do I need to say the obvious? Incas were superior to europeans, and you cannot literally not prove your superior wrong, euchimpean in denial hehehe
Incas also colonized Polynesia by the way.

>>3187026
Like fucking clockwork

>>3187026
>Incas were superior to europeans
They didn't even have written language.

>>3187026
>Incas also colonized Polynesia by the way.
DNA shows otherwise. Polynesians have very little admixture with South American DNA, even in Rapa Nui.

>>3187127
The legend literally says that they were different and enslaved the natives. That's why they killed them.

>>3187127
That doesn't disprove the colonization and the amount of culture and structures that were built and share in the same time period as the Inca Tupac Yupanqui existed.

>>3187146
wtf? Who enslaved who? And who killed who?

>>3187161
>That doesn't disprove the colonization
They were gentle enough to colonize the place and then leave without leaving a trace?

>>3187170
The "smaller people" came from the Sea and made the natives work and build structures, the natives rebelled after certain events and killed them. They built the Moai as a warning to those outsiders.

Also there are two types of Moai the ones with elongated ears (Incas literally elongated their ears with metal accessories) and short ears.
>>3187185
>trace
Oral tradition, architecture, culture and some crops aren't vestiges of their colonization? The Inca legend said that they came back after leaving several artisans and militars, if the eurangutan wants to know more, its momma monkey should have taught this chimp to behave better.
>>3187079
Hehehe Gail silverman already found correlations of quechua vocables and the tocapu textile art of the Incas hehehe

It's a matter of time they find more suffixes and substantives.hehe

Incas were superior to europeans. Get over it, euchimpean in denial.

>>3187198
>It's a matter of time they find more suffixes and substantives.hehe
They would've found it already, even the Mayan script was largely decoded decades ago and the epi-olmec script, while not deciphered, is still acknowledged as being a proper script. Quipu is probably the best you're going to see.

>>3187243
Well, that's what Gail silverman said, the Inca symbols resemble the archaic chinese method of scripture, and her method is the most successful at the moment, when she confirmed a suffix and other probable words, keep in mind that the phases of the empire and the killing of most people who knew how to interpret them, changed the symbols till they stopped making sense. Quipus are mostly a lost cause due to spanish burning most of the ones on the capital on the empire(where the priests and elites learnt about their use). Also the tocapus has just been studied since the middle of the XXth century, even though most findings have happened the last 60 years. Meanwhile Mayan writting has been studied consolidately since 1860.

Also, 80% of mayan symbols are decodifyed IIRC.

last 40-30 years*

>>3187282
Also, pre Inca people already made similar scriptures. Archaic chinese writting phase consisted on curves and drawings resembling the object represented. The glyphs were stilyzed over time. The same happened with precolumbian ones. The pre-Inca (Paracas) who made those tocapus had more animal-like symbols and complex curves, over time the Inca had those symbols but they changed it with more simple and stylized ones, for example geometrical and points instead of rivers and mountains. The colors may represent different vocables. I just listened to some of her conferences and the descriptions/texts quotes from the book. If I buy it, I may dump it over here. The book is in Spanish, two years ago it was published.

>>3187282
Resembling and actually being are two different things. Even the cascajal block is more defined with more features of proper writing as opposed to inca rope or textiles, which is an unorthodox and inferior way to communicate anyways.

>>3187320
Wrong, some vocables are already confirmed.

>features of writting
>"Writing is a medium of human communication that represents language and emotion with signs and symbols."Wikipedia
>Represent the words of ideas with letters or other signs drawn on paper or other surface. RAE

Try again, chimp.

how can you decipher a written language if no one knows it anymore?

>>3187366
Written languages resembles spoken languages. Quechua language is almost the same as it was in the Inca period, anyway Spanish records explain a lot of Precolumbian Quechua vocabulary.
You can study Tocapus if you know Quechua language and the changes and variations that were commom with the Aymara (Incas came from the Titicaca).

>>3187338
Right, and get back to me when you actually find a proper writing system and not just pictograms or possible vague elements of primitive syllabograms.

>>3187379
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>>3185329
Saint Brendan

>>3187381
>possible
Already confirmed. Try again chimp.

>>3187198
>Oral tradition, architecture, culture and some crops aren't vestiges of their colonization?
I was talking about DNA. If they were the first to colonize the place we should find traces of it in the population's DNA (unless the later settlers totally wiped them, which would be unique in human's history). But the analysis show that Polynesia was colonized by the west.
Besides, that's what says the legend you mention: the Incas travelled one or two times to Rapa Nui which was already inhabited. Talk about a colonization...

>>3187198
This delirious autistic Peruvian must be stopped

>>3187146
>the legends


AHHHHHHAHAHAHJAJAJJJAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAJAHAHHAHH

>>3187490
So where are these findings being published? And who is Gail Silverman? All I can find is that she holds a PhD from sorbonne but nothing about her linguistic credentials. The main source right now seems to be only two books.

>>3187598
Well, the book isn't translated. The chimp should behave better if it wants a banana.
>>3187560
>>3187573
>Dna
>were killed before mixing
Nope. The remains are there. Natives of rapa Nui were on the Island for a long time before Inca presence.
>>3187565
Try again with some facts, chimp.

Incas were superior to europeans. History demonstrates it. Get over it, monkeys.

>>3187762
The Peruautist reached a new low this time

>>3187768
This is the last cookie/post you get from me, monkey. Behave better and give me some facts, then maybe you can get another one.

Incas were superior to europeans. History demonstrates it. Get over it, chimp.

>>3187762
You should at least post a reputable, peer reviewed academic study or paper if you want to be taken seriously. There are lots of books written by cranks that propose unlikely theories especially in the field of linguistics, just look at all the insane shit written by people like Clyde winters, polat kaya, and that guy who claimed to have deciphered the vinca inscriptions.

it's kinda funny how this board always attracts delusional nationalists.

>muh people is the most superior
>n-no my people i, you are just niggers

>>3187815
You want me to translate the book?

Scepticism is obviously a premise.

Archaeological findings over here are registered on spanish books. If you are lucky and the findings are well interesting enough, the english academia will translate it and corroborate it. Meanwhile the spanish groups of experts just recognized her work some weeks ago even though her last book was 2 years ago. Want me to translate some parts?

>>3187851
So basically your only source is a fringe book written presumably by a non-linguist with no major backing, got it. want some polat kaya and the Turkish origins of the Incas?

>>3187762
>Natives of rapa Nui were on the Island for a long time before Inca presence.
So we agree that Incas never colonized Rapa Nui nor Polynesia?

Madoc

>>3187951
Wrong. Iberians populated the Iberian peninsula yet the phoenicians colonized them.

Incas colonized Polynesia. Get over it, chimp.
>>3187931
>Gail Silverman holds a PhD from the Universite de Paris V, Sorbonne and has taught anthropology at the Universidad Nacional de San Antonio Abad del Cusco and Pontificia Universidad Catolica del Peru, Lima. She speaks Quechua and Spanish and is the author of six additional books on the Cuzco textile tradition
>"Gail Silverman has become for Cuzco textiles what Vernica Cereceda is for the study of the textiles of Jalca and Tarabuco, Bolivia, and Isluga, Chile: a lifetime of dedication."--Carmen Arellano Hoffman
>Carmen Arellano Hoffman: Ph.D.1987.University of Bonn, Germany. Major: Americanística Antigua (Cultural Anthropology, Ethnohistory, Ethnology and Quechua linguistics), Minor: Hispanism. Disertación Magna cum laude: “Apuntes históricos sobre la provincia de Tarma en la sierra central del Perú. El kuraka y los ayllus bajo la dominación colonial española, siglos XVI-XVIII”

>non-linguist with no major backing
"List of people who decodifyed the maya writing" hehehe


Incas were superior to europeans. History demonstrates it. Your inferior race can't even come near them hehe

You cannot literally not prove your superior wrong, eurangutan in denial. hehehe

>>3188160
So I was right then, a fringe book written by a non-linguist with no real backing.

>>3188168
>fringe people decodifyed the Maya writing
hehehe
Try again, monkey.

>>3188160
>Incas colonized Polynesia
Because they landed one time or two on Rapa Nui?

>>3188203
>the action or process of settling among and establishing control over the indigenous people of an area
>Colonization (or colonisation) is a process by which a central system of power dominates the surrounding land and its components.
Try again, chimp.

Incas colonized Polynesia. Get over it.

>>3186819
>I just read somewhere that Africa was called Afretta, something like that. After a tribe there like how America was named after an American tribe. Not those Africanus and Americanus dudes.
Lmao

>>3186819
>ignorant?we can let you mutants,tell us who we are. you may not even be from this planet. the sun hates you people, I need not to say more.

>>3186819
>How can you say the map of the lands were this way when they are currently under water? How can the shape of the continents be the same before and after the flood. Mu, Lumeria and Atlantis were 3 other separate continents. There were actually two devastations of the earth, The Deluge and the release of the first nuclear weapon. This is where the sandy deserts come from. The Aeta people (black headed people) arrived in the Philippines 20,000 to 30,000 years ago. We are not all related for there are some of us that were advanced scientifically by other beings and then their are those of us who are actual descendants of the Iggigi and the Annunaki God who we refer to as God. Cain, Noah, and Thoth were descendants of God. The Washutaw are descendants of Adam (the ones who we know as the shepherds in the Bible. Egypt and America was set up by the heirs of the Gods. The twelve tribes of Israel are the descendants of God. This is why we cannot come together as one for we are all black but unconsciously we, know we are different. White supremacy knows this and has used us against one another. Unfortunately we all want to be on top instead of playing our parts, and dismissing our egos we will be the destruction of each other and the world. After the melanin is removed every other race will be destroyed as well. Either we all pull together set our egos aside or this realm/universe as we know it will cease to exist.

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>>3185329
>Newfoundland is separated into 2 words
>Label isn't even on Newfoundland

rustled/10

>>3188190
coe's backing it now?

>>3188286
Can this eurangutan explain itself so superior beings can get the context that its brainlet refuses to express?

>>3188223
But you told me that according to the legend they were kicked out by the indigenous...
Also you're aware that Rapa Nui is one island over thousands, right?

>>3188302
>But you told me that according to the legend they were kicked out by the indigenous...
After giving them the architecture, crops, culture and some oral tradition.

Have your brainlet reached its limit or something, chimpie? hehehe

god I wish we had mods to ban the autistic incatard and everyone who replies to him

>>3188331
Why don't mods ban the autistic peruvian, the people who respond to him and pol falseflagging?

>>3185329
It was Jesus

>>3188316
But there is no architecture on Rapa Nui, and their crops and culture are radically different from Inca's. (I don't know why we talk about Incas btw, their empire appeared later)
And you don't explain how they colonized Polynesia while they barely put foot on a single island?

>>3188301
Come on shitskin, who's backing it?

>>3188340

Cause most our traffic is based on falseflagging.

>>3188394
Momma chimp should have taught this monkey to behave better. Try again.

>>3188391
Wrong. There are commom crops and then different ones, the oral tradition coincides to the Inca oral tradition of that event.
>appeared later
Mixing crop dates, and trivializing all of them as one. Try again.
>Mangareva and RapaNui
The architectural and the oral tradition of the Inca colonization remains are there. Try again hehehe.

>100 attempts of goalshifting
hehehe All failures. Eurangutans can't do anything right. These chimps are hilarious! hehehe

Incas were superior to europeans. History demonstrates it. Get over it, monkeys.

>>3188447
So no one? Ok, I guess your johnny-come-lately flash in the pan civilisation will forever remain in the bronze age instead of the early iron age.

>>3188463
Chimp, you won't get more cookie-replies if your brainlet doesn't make the effort to express what your babbling is about.

Incas were superior to europeans. History demonstrates it. Deal with it, monkey.

>>3188476
If you can't even defend your theory properly then don't even bother trying to promote it.

>>3188502
>Maya writing was decodifyed by fringe people
A monkey claimed this.

Are you that monkey?

>>3188447
You must confuse something, because IF the native Americans managed to reach Rapa Nui (and only Rapa Nui) it was before the Inca Empire, as stated by the DNA analysis.
And what you say about architecture and crops is unclear, could you elaborate?

>>3188513
No, the decipherment of the Maya script was the product of decades of work by many experts and there is an abundance of literature on the subject demonstrating this. The total opposite of your fringe theory.

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>>3188522
>DNA
>oral tradition literally affirmed that they killed the long-eared small people
And it doesn't disprove the Inca colonization.
>Architecture
Literally the first image on google.
>crops
Oops plants.
>Schoenoplectus californicus is a rhizomed water plant found in marshy areas. It is native to the southern and western United States as well as Mexico, Central America, South America, Easter Island, and the Falkland Islands. It is naturalized on some Pacific islands including New Zealand, Hawaii and the Cook Islands.[1][3] [4][5] It has tall, thin, dark green stems which are usually triangular in cross-section and woolly, bristly tan or brown flowers in panicle inflorescences.
>moche in 100AC started using these plants for ancient surfing and fishing
>>3188542
>many experts
Gail Silverman is an expert.>>3188160
>without a major on linguistics it's fringe
>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_Samuel_Rafinesque
>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lloyd_Stephens
>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_%C3%89tienne_Brasseur_de_Bourbourg
>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_Thomas
>https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Schellhas
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glover_Morrill_Allen
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Maudslay
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._Teeple
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Eric_S._Thompson
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvanus_Morley
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Spinden
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_T._Goodman
>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Berlin
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H._Kelley
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Graham
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Coe
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Schele
>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Stuart
Not linguist majors

Literally no reasons left.

Incas were superior to europeans. Incas colonized Polynesia. Incas had writing. That's the conclusion you poor eurangutans, can't even prove wrong. Deal with it, monkeys.

>>3185329
Black people

>>3188784
Maybe in textiles but I've never seen her name mentioned in any journals or studies relating to this. I don't know why you're spamming wiki links now, if you're trying to say that a persons lack of linguistic credentials has no bearing on the quality of their linguistic research, then that's not a very good argument. People like Michael Coe, David Stuart and Linda Schele were expert epigraphers and their work is widely published. If you can find evidence of a complete written language then great, but at this point it's pretty unlikely you're going to find much more than this.

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>>3188847
> I don't know why you're spamming wiki links now, if you're trying to say that a persons lack of linguistic credentials has no bearing on the quality of their linguistic research, then that's not a very good argument.
>>3188168
>So I was right then, a fringe book written by a non-linguist with no real backing.
That's the last post I responded.
>epigraphers
Literally people who studied glyphs on rocks. Gail has studied Textile symbols and it's actually giving results.
>textile Inca studies
Which ones you checked? https://bifea.revues.org/1690?lang=en
>Victoria de la Jara (1967, 1970) confirmed in her research about the Tocapu (Inca symbol on textilery art) that it was actually a logographic language. As she said each symbol represents a word and it was possible to be read by individuals from any language. Thomas Barthel (1970) compiled the symbol catalog and afirmed that it was actually a writing system based on words instead of letters or syllables, like Jara said.
>Recently the research of de Gail Silverman3 and Mary Frame seem to continue the path left by Victoria de la Jara but using an ethnographic perspective as textile artisans lived on the Inca empire. Gail Silverman, thanks to her prolongated work and colaboration on the Q´ero of Cusco, found the symbols to be a part of cosmologic vision and nature of such culture, such evident vestiges from the precolumbian culture.
Some years after this wikipedia editing with references, She published two tomes of her work in 2015. She has been studying Tocapus since 1975 IIRC. A lot of them were discovered recently (30 years ago).

>If you can find evidence of a complete written language then great, but at this point it's pretty unlikely you're going to find much more than this,
Unfortunately she expects us to completely understand the symbols 100 years after now.

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>>3185338
>bringing knowledge of an unknown continent to the old world doesn't qualify as 'discovery'
come on now

>>3188945
with that logic Amerigo discovered it

>>3188784
>And it doesn't disprove the Inca colonization.
But there's no proof about an actual contact, there's no need to disprove anything, let alone a "colonization"...

>Literally the first image on google.
The Wall of Vinapu? Although this style can be found in South America, it predates the Incas.

>>3188953
Wrong. It coincides with the lifetime of Tupac Yupanqui.

>proof of actual contact
And this chimp keeps denying the cultural, archeological structures and plants commom with the era and how they appeared in the same time the oral tradition says and date calculation confirms mostly.

>>3188913
>Literally people who studied glyphs on rocks
Epigraphy is the study of writing and inscriptions, which can includes studying etchings on rocks but you're probably confusing it with iconography.

>Victoria de la Jara (1967, 1970) confirmed in her research about the Tocapu (Inca symbol on textilery art) that it was actually a logographic language. As she said each symbol represents a word and it was possible to be read by individuals from any language. Thomas Barthel (1970) compiled

That seems interesting in particular the Barthel claims, however there seems to be dispute even amongst the proponents of this language theory as to what the symbols actually meant and what their role was. I also found this:
>An interesting claim was made in 1970 by the German scholar Thomas Barthel in the course of an International Congress of Americanists held in Lima. Barthel stated that in addition to quipus (knotted strings recording mainly numerical data). the Incas of Peru possessed a well developed form of iconographic writing consisting of geometerical designs, tocapus, found as decoration on wooden cups and textiles. Each individual sign is supposed to equal a particular character; Barthel made the further claim that he had already identified 400 different script signs and that with the help of notes made by Spanish missionaries, he had succeeded in deciphering 50 of them (Barthel, 1972). However, nothing has since been heard of this discovery. It is indeed unlikely that the tocapus constituted a specific, and now forgotten, iconographic form of writing, though they may well have been a mnemonic device.

-Signs, Symbols and Icons: Pre-history to the Computer Age

Upon further research it looks like this theory hasn't gained much acceptance either. Even on the Spanish wiki,
>Both Barthel's and Victoria de la Jara's proposals have not been accepted by the scientific community that looks with suspicion and skepticism at the existence of a "lost writing of the Incas."

>>3188998
>Upon further research it looks like this theory hasn't gained much acceptance either. Even on the Spanish wiki
There was lack of evidence. Gail silverman is one of the first if I'm not mistaken to confirm a suffix, as quechua language is similar to asiatic preffix system. Her tesis was based on chinese archaic studies which symbols were based on nature and the process of evolution of the language followed a simplification and estilyzed end. The Inca used past symbols (Paracas) but, over time, they simplifyed them, and changed them for more geometrical "glyphs", if it can be called that yet.

The textil pattern of the Inca Tocapus don't follow patterns either.

I just read parts of her book, maybe I can go into detail if I get a copy.

>pattern don't follow patterns
Good night.

>>3188969
It's not because you say "wrong" and invoque some legend that it makes a fact, you know. I can nowhere find any evidence of what you claim, but let's say it's true, according to your own narrative we talk about a maximum 0.2% of Polynesia, including Mangareva (I'm nice). And you dare call that a "colonization of Polynesia"?

>>3189056
>Oral tradition of both sides of the Ocean describes accurately the individual descriptions.
>that's not a fact
The remains of the Inca presence are what's backing up the oral tradition, chimp.
>mangareva
Mangareva is less polemic for the amount of influential culture they left.
>Colonization
>European colonization began in 1492, when a Spanish expedition headed by Christopher Columbus sailed west to find a new trade route to the Far East but inadvertently landed in what came to be known to Europeans as the "New World".
Incas colonized Polynesia. :)

>>3189029
>There was lack of evidence. Gail silverman is one of the first if I'm not mistaken to confirm a suffix, as quechua language is similar to asiatic preffix system. Her tesis was based on chinese archaic studies which symbols were based on nature and the process of evolution of the language followed a simplification and estilyzed end. The Inca used past symbols (Paracas) but, over time, they simplifyed them, and changed them for more geometrical "glyphs", if it can be called that yet.
That still looks to be the case. Even now most of the "groundbreaking" new research has been centred on quipu for which evidence is more abundant at this time. I'm not sure as to what extent Quechua or any new world language is to Chinese, I know people have attempted to draw parallels between Maya and Olmec script and Shang dynasty oracle bones but those theories haven't much acceptance, especially considering they're often used to support diffusionism. I see a somewhat similar pattern with Silverman's work which raises some red flags, since the focus seems to be on textiles for which supposed links between the Shang and the new world, in particular Peru and Central America have been proposed and subsequently shot down.

>>3189081
>looks to be the case
I'm waiting for the expert consensus of her findings.
>chinese
No, it actually resembles japanese suffixes, prefixes and construction of some words, yet the japanese kanjis exist, which they share several of them with chinese writing.

The premise of the work, is that the Tocapus are archaic chinese-like logographs.

>>3189072
Sorry but no, legends or anal tradition are not historical facts, thank god, or else we can talk about dragons and leprechauns. And once again there is not a single attested remain of the Inca presence.

>European colonization began in 1492
And never ended... Travelling for a week in London doesn't make you the queen of England.

>3189161
>Inca presence
Architectal, culture and plants remain there.
>denies definition
Hehehe
Chimps being chimps...

inca til i die, euchimpeans

>>3189186
Silly eurangutan. Hehehe

>>3189088
>I'm waiting for the expert consensus of her findings.
Indeed.

>No, it actually resembles japanese suffixes
That's somewhat strange, the Chinese angle would make more sense since it's older.

>>3189186
Incas lasted a century...

>>3189211
incas are the inheritors of andean culture and andean identity is eternal!

>>3189202
Quechua is more similar to turkic and japanese for the construction of words by suffix and agglutinative forms, than spanish.

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I want to fuck Pachamama

She a qt

>>3190292
Pachamama is the Earth Goddess. Don't profane her like that.

>>3186649
t. The "eurangutan" shitposter

>>3191015
Why do you bump this stupid thread? Go back to >>>/pol/

>>3185329

BRENDAN THE NAVIGATOR

>>3190986
>he's never dug a hole and fucked the earth

I find stuff like this fascinating.
>Leif Erikson had heard stories of a merchant called Bjarni Herjólfsson, who had got lost whilst sailing to Greenland
>Herjólfsson's crew sighted the continent, but he refused to land
>it's been suggested that Herjólfsson rescued two marooned Norse sailors who had been shipwrecked on the continent before sailing back to find Greenland again

If this is true, those two marooned sailors were the first Europeans in the Americas, and we don't even know their names.

>>3190986
Lol ur a fag

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>>3185329
>So who discovered America first?

The Solutrean people.

>>3185329
>So who discovered America first?

It was ME, James! Me! The author of all your pain.

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>>3185338
Define "define"

>>3185329
Some asian guys.

>>3185329
The vikings were probably near. But the real discovery was or by the portuguese, or by the spaniards.

>>3185329
well the vikings probably made it, some guys from Bristol in england probably managed it - not documented well enough to say definitely but quite likely- John Cabot definitely reached the mainland.

columbus found a few islands in the carribean and thought he had found asia.