Has transsexuality been documented in different cultures throughout

>>3182346
Transgenderism is new, gender variance as in identifying other than how you were sending at birth is ancient.

It's semantics but there is a difference, in my community and else where globally.

>>3182346
No, it's a mental illness that existed since the antiquity at least.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus
>The Augustan History claims that he also married a man named Zoticus, an athlete from Smyrna, in a public ceremony at Rome.
>Cassius Dio reported that Elagabalus would paint his eyes, epilate his body hair and wear wigs before prostituting himself in taverns, brothels, and even in the imperial palace
>He was described as having been "delighted to be called the mistress, the wife, the queen of Hierocles" and was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia

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>>3182364
>trusting any sources whatsoever on Elagabalus personal life

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevalier_d%27Éon

Does chevalier d'eon count?

>>3182403
>le every Roman account was just slander and propaganda maymay

>>3182421
>Le "'le every roman source was false!!' meme" meme

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>>3182415
Wew

>>3182346
There is some ancient arabic name to call men acting like women.

>>3182346
People have been mentally ill before, yes. It's nothing to aspire to or recommend or applaud.

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It's something that has always existed, there are a bunch of recorded cases. The difference is that today they can actually change their bodies instead of simply acting like a man or a woman.

>>3182446
Al-fagut

>>3182460
damn (s)he's a cutie

>>3182460
wtf

>>3182460
420 friendly really just means "too jewish to pay for their own weed"

>>3182485
>>>/oven/

>>3182487
I'm

>>3182446
Mukhannath

>>3182460
I'd tap that
>>3182501
Back to your room 17 year old virgin.

>>3182346
I read something here a while back about a transvestite prostitute in like 16th/17th century London. Vhe was supposedly very popular

>>3182698
>desperate tranny fucker calling someone a virgin

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>legionary, escort me to my chambers
Would you do it?

>>3182415
Pretending to be a man/woman and getting surgery is not the same as being born with some rare genetic condition where you have both parts.

>>3182452
Schizophrenia is natural, say that sanityists

>>3182783
>HA YOU GET LAID
You sound like a MGTOW

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>>3182357
>identifying other than how you were sending at birth is ancient
Every shade of nope, if your mentioned context. People screwed the same sex then and now, but purple haired she-twinks are the result of Cultural Marxism and artificial Leftist thought.

>>3182798
holy shit i never noticed that mustache
he looks totally different now

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>>3182889
Marriage in general is not a human right you autist. And assistance programs are fucking stupid.


Marriage is literally a social contract. It doesn't exist in nature, therefore, it is unnatural. While natural doesn't = good, it also doesn't = bad. Also what is wrong with cannibalism?

Stagnant societies do so well though! I take it you really want to live in the dark ages.

Doesn't marriage lead to gay-marriage, so shouldn't marriage be banned too?

>Posting something this autistic as an argument

>>3182930
>what is wrong with cannibalism

Mostly prion diseases

>>3182346
Every single type of fetish and degeneracy under the sun has been with us since antiquity. You can bet your ass there were Greek hentai fetishists spinning around amphoraes, jacking it to fireblasted, oxidized paintings of Artemis giving jerk off instructions to a callow Corinthia youth.

>>3182930
>Doesn't marriage lead to gay-marriage
I don't even know what's bait anymore.
But did you mean this seriously?

>>3182950
Yes, the picture in question states that gay-marriage leads to polygamy, incest, and pedophilia, but naturally that would mean marriage leads to gay-marriage. I'm just using the same autistic logic as the OP

>>3182798
Stab him

>>3182889
Good image. I would like to add that the tax concessions exist because marriages are expected to have to support children. Gays cannot reproduce and should be legally barred from adopting children lest they rape them or brainwash them into becoming homosexuals

>>3182958
Marriage is mankind keeping women in line. Its the basic function to civilization.
Homosexuality is a sign of sociological decay in any social structure, as it is the refusal to procreate along the lines of natural law.
>False dichotomy

>>3182971
Appreciated. Sure homosexuality has always existed, though it never demanded that people totally stopped reproducing with the opposite sex. Any man will admit that its easier to get along with another man, apply pressure in the right direction?
>However
It wasn't until the creation of the unnatural thing called ALL the waves of Feminism, that we saw attacks on the natural order of things.

>>3182415
Just a transvestite. And a gambling one at that.

>>3182958
Bonus reply:
Self mutilation particularly in the context of sexuality and everything which reinforces it, accepts, and teaches this, is an excellent example of mental and physical abuse, and the worsening of a person in mental duress.
KYS.

>>3182485
It's all in the filter and the camera angle. Without it he/she would look hideous

>>3182889
>that last section encouraging dishonest debate and calling it the "reverse Marxist approach" as if you can wipe out or justify your own irrationality by implying your enemies do the same
>the fact that this was obviously written before gay marriage was legalized, but you're still beating this dead horse and will probably continue to do so in vain for years, if not decades
lmaoing at your life.

>>3182930
Marriage is a contract between a man and a woman, and by proxy the families being joined in union. It confers upon both parties rights and duties, first and foremost that of children and property. Marriage doesn't exist so you can visit your gay faggot lover on his sickbed in a hospital. It exists to promote reproduction and everything else is a consequence of this objective. Why else does a widow inherit the property of her husband, if not to provide for their children?

>>3182892
>8ch
You have to go back

>>3183069
Who cares why it exists? That's not an argument for why allowing homosexual marriage is harmful. Summer vacation exists so that kids could spend the time working on their families' farms. Are you going to argue just because of that that schools in the city shouldn't have it?

>>3182889
>>3182930
my ideal solution to the gay marriage issue would've been
>all "marriages" formerly recognized by the state/states are now termed/classed as "domestic partnership" or some other neutral-language speak.
>homosexual couples are equally eligable for this "domestic partnership" as heterosexual couples.

>>3182346
Hijras, Two-Spirits, and in ancient Greece and Rome gender roles were a bit more loose, at least in the case of men.

Modern transgenderism I think is slightly different from ancient examples however, and has more to do with symbolic-individualism,
and the rise of specialization versus generalization which is a more dominant mode of thought in the West, though I must admit
I am largely ignorant as to what the case is in the East.
I think also that modern transgenderism seems more confusing to people in this age is due to how complex social reality is now
as compared to the more restricted geographical and cultural hierarchies of older and less complexly organized ethnic-cultural
nations.

>>3183108
It's not an expression of love. That was merely after modernist revision. At its very legal core, it is about duty, obligations, and the family. If homosexuals cannot have kids, why should they be allowed to get married? It is pointless to enfranchise them that right considering it will provide no tangible benefit to society or either families.

>>3183110
They already had that available to them. Wasn't good enough. They had to shit on the institution of marriage itself until marriage became one huge stinking bucket full of diarrhea.

And that's not good enough for them either.

>>3182871
>if you don't fuck trannies you're a virgin
Leftist logic

>>3183449
Nigger you are attempting to make the case that having sex is an insult. No shit I'm going to call you a virgin.

>>3183598
he was insulting you for wanting to have sex with a trannie.

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>>3182421
>I trust primary documents at face value and completely uncritically

>>3182889
Is there something like this for transgender?

>>3183598
>being an illiterate retard

>>3183598
You should really kill yourself you disgusting fuck.

>>3182889
but that's exactly what he said

>>3182871
Woah, that's quite a jump there Norton. You have a sex problem.

>Intermediate Types among Primitive Folk
http://www.sacred-texts.com/lgbt/itp/index.htm

Alexander the Great screwed a Persian tranny which pissed off his first wife.

>>3182930
>It doesn't exist in nature
what is mating for life
rofl

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>>3183069
>It exists to promote reproduction
Then concubinate is where is at ma nigga

>>3182460
chopping off your dick has been around for a long time

>>3182889
In my ethnic group we were traditionally a third gender separate from effeminate men and lived lives similar to women.

So no, it's not transgenderism but it is gender variance.

>>3182403
Yeah, but even if it isn't true, it demonstrates the Romans were familiar enough with the concept to use it as slander.

>>3182446
the ancient Indians called them Pandaka

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>>3182959
With the pork sword

>>3183441
do all heterosexuals provide tangible benefit to society?