Why didn't Poland-Lithuania invade HRE? Did they fear

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>>3171750
Why did Japan re-open their ports for trade? Did they fear the yankee warrior?

WHOSE FUCKING DUMBASS MOTHERFUCKING IDEA WAS IT TO MAKE BOHEMIA AND HUNGARY THE SAME COLORS IN THAT MAP
WHAT DENSE PIECE OF SHIT CARTOGRAPHER DOESN'T MAKE TWO ADJOINED NATIONS SEPARATE COLORS
>b-b-b-but the pink line around the HRE
MAN FUCK YOUR PINK LINE BULLSHIT THAT'S NO EXCUSE
THAT'S SOME CARTOGRAPHIC HORSESHIT RIGHT THERE
FUCK THIS SHITTY FUCKING MAP FUCK YOU OP FUCK YOUUUUUUU

>>3171822
This.
Also its similarly colored to Brandenberg which makes it worse.

>>3171822
They were in a personal union, numbnuts.

>>3171861
Then explain Norway and Sweden.

>>3171913
Also Castile and Aragon

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>>3171822
>What is this guy sperging about
>CANNOT UNSEE
YOU RUINED IT FOR ME, ANON
FUCK YOU

>>3171750
>We have Kebabs in the South
>we have barbarians in the East
>we have Snowniggers in the North
>Let's make another enemy in the West!

>>3172233
le barbarians russians

>>3171750
>why didnt X declare war on Y

Because its not a video game, you retard. War is shit. Its terrible. Its not worthwhile.

>>3171822
it's a videogame relax

>>3173751
>War is shit. Its terrible. Its not worthwhile.
if it's so bad then why did X declare war on Y. checkmate pacificsts

>>3173731
Proto-Russians weren't the only ones on their eastern border friendo

>>3173760
Because X is retarded.

>"I may have waged too much war."
t. Napoleon on his lonely island, contemplating what the fuck he did wrong.

>>3171750
If you want to know the answer i heard lately Lithuania had a small population and Polish people emigrated into the Ruthenian lands So there was a few Lithuanians in the Cortland area who took a load of land from The Mongols and the Russians but both countries were basically populated by just Poland

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>>3173772

>>3173798
What I was talking about was at the start of the PLC.

Also this map is 22 years before it got ganked to fuck by Austria prussia and russia

>>3173798
>modern day Istanbul has more population than the Ottoman Empire at its height

wew lad

>>3173762
To be fair nobody would have left France alone even if they had no delusions of grandeur

>>3173870
Well most of his wars were either defensive, or preemptive strikes (which I can still argue to be defensive).
However he clearly also had offensive wars, like in Egypt (this would be a war against the Ottomans, no?), or his plans to invade India, or his fiasco in Haiti. And I would call his Russian campaign also offensive, I can't say Russia not embargoing Britain was cause to strike.

OP got a point. Alot of people never tried to mess with the HRE. Like why didn`t Portugal try to annex the entire the HRE? Did they fear the neither Holy nor Roman Warrior?

>>3173899
The HRE had a larger population than any state-like organization on the planet at the time, and manpower meant everything back then.

Not sure if you are joking or not, just posting in case you are a common retard, and not a rare good poster.

>>3173731
>first things he thinks when he reads "barbarians" are "Russians"
I like you

>>3171750
Year of map? Also, funny to see German scraps and MUH MONOLITE France and England.

>>3173986
1500 would be the safest best since PLC isn't connected yet and hungary and bohemia are in PU

>>3173986
After 1473, because Hapsburg Burgundy.
Before 1569, because independent Lithuania.
Bohemia-Hungary personal union must be the 1490 one, so that drops a couple of decades.
Granada seems to no longer be an independent sultanate, thats 1492.
Maybe look at Portuguese ports in Morocco to shave more years.

>>3173989
You play too much EU4

>>3171750
Who lived in the gray zones around the golden horde? Were they depopulated?

>>3174046
People who paid tax to the Golden Horde. It should be colored yellow, it was GH land.

>>3174029
Mazovia was incorporated into Poland in 1526.

>>3174108
Then the map is between 1492 (no Granada) and 1526 (yes Mazovia)
This is an interesting puzzle, I wish more people contribute.

>>3174114
French occupation of Duchy of Milan is 1513-1516.

>>3174126
My mistake, its one of:
>1499-1512
>1515-1522
>1524-1525

The 1513-1516 period is when Milan actually fought France.

>>3174114
Kalmar union ended in 1523, so it's before that.

>>3174127
>>3174129
So its either 1499-1512 or 1515-1522.

It's 1500

http://brilliantmaps.com/europe-1500-ad/

>>3174136
>i am become faggot, ruiner of fun

>>3174127
it's before 1517, the mamluks still exist.

>>3173986
Exactly 1500, iirc.
From Reddit, the colours are from EU4.

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>>3173772

The commonwealth was as complex as the HRE and mustering support from local nobles to create an army was difficult without a political impetus.b further w thrwatra from Russia, Sweden, Brandenburg, and the ottomans, it was safer to ally states pike Austria and Saxons rather than attack them

>>3171750
WHERE DID YOU GET THAT MAP IS THERE A BASEMAP?????

>>3173810
Actually, by 1750 PLC wasn't that bad economically. It bounced back from the wars in 17th century and Great Northern War. Polish wiki claims it was at an all-time population height back then.

>>3173819
That map may count only European parts of Ottoman Empire.

>>3174520
Nobody lived in the rest.

>>3174520
>Actually, by 1750 PLC wasn't that bad economically.

Americas trade ruined East Europe, and Poland selling salt and grain to Scandinavians could only help so much.

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The people that did the most damage to PLC were: Saxon kings, Peter the Great, Friedrich the Great, Catherine the Great. + Genocidal Swedish king.

Honorary mention: Polish-Lithuanian nobles.

>>3174528
still if not for partitions Poland would probably be doing pretty well considering they managed to industrialize in some lands under partitions (polish clay that went to russia became one of their richest provinces)

>>3174538
the people that did the most damage to poland were rich poles who were content with living in decentralized playground for oligarch and could oppose any reform

>>3174540
only if they centralized

>>3174546
decentralization is actually good when it comes to economy but when country is dysfunctional to the point where its unable to defend itself it indeed becomes a problem

>>3171802
They feared their big guns

>>3175795
So, Yankee ingenuity?

>>3171750
Because they were strong and long lasting allies and the Polish king (who was sometimes a German himself) recognized the Emperor, if not as his immediate suzerain, at least as his superior in majesty?

>>3174538
>the only parallel would be Canada

Leafs BTFO

Why didn't Ottomans invade Pontic Mountains?
Did they fear the Pontic warrior?

>>3174455
This, they had a semi elective system.
Most countries abused this to get their people on the throne.

It was pretty much a russian vassal around the time it was carved up, afaik.