Why does America's culture reinvent itself every decade

America is where culture goes to die.

accelerating capital processes, all that's solid has melted into air, etc.

How do you define "culture" specifically?

>>3167657
Hi Nigel

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Hi Ivan

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>>3167659
This.

The US is pretty big, there's a boatload of regional cultures, traditions and even dialects to take into account

Style in America reinvents itself every decade. Culture has largely remained the same since probably the end of WWII in a macro sense.

But I actually believe that style has more or less stopped changing since the mid 2000s. Probably due to 9/11 and the Iraq war.

>>3167652
>america
>culture
Pick one.

>>3167698
Why can't I have thighs like that? Yes I am a tranny.

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>>3167657
This isn't wrong nowadays. America used to have their own distinct culture 100 years ago but ever since the establishment of Hollywood and the spread of TVs it evaporated into thin air and got replaced by cheap, easily digestible corporate crap. American culture is to culture like TV dinner is to food.

>>3167781
just eat some krabby patties

>>3167788
good post

I can tell you're a European

>>3167788
More like everyone else adopted so much of America's culture that nothing Americans do seems unique anymore.

>>3167652
The 50s onwards is all testing for the new millenium. The culture was changed every decade so that America's establishment could establish a culture permanently in the 2000s. Their current state is a combination of all decades after the 40s.

>>3167652
Diversity/multiculturalism mixed with capitalism sees the death in all cultures as everyone is willing to sell their traditions for a buck.

See any major city anywhere these days. All the culture is a shell of itself while buried beneath mega corporations.

What the fuck are we actually talking about ITT?

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>>3167652
>Why does America's culture reinvent itself every decade or so?

Multiple reasons, one is money. With a new "culture" comes new styles, books, music, etc. which everyone has to buy. Secondly is the intent of populace pacification- nations with cemented cultures tend to desire to preserve them and base their identity around them. If you keep cultures continuously changing then no national identity can form and the people become disenfranchised and emasculated. It also allows whomever is in control of the media and intellectual thought to mold fresh generations. Thirdly and related to the prior two points it creates a rift between between generations which is also related to the point regarding thought control and influence.

I'll see if I can find it, but I have a quote from a Greek historian about the measures a Persia king took to subjugate the Lydians- essentially he recommended that in order to reduce the Lydians warlike tendencies to rebel to encourage soft clothes, music, and retail jobs among the male populace.
>>3167657
Organic, real culture yes.

>>3167795
No, American still got dumbed down and monetarized to an absurd degree. You can tell when Americans went from reading Mark Twain and Edgar Allan Poe to reading Superman and Captain America within a single generation. Who even are the most recognizable American authors since the beatniks? Fucking Stephen King and George R. R. Martin which is exactly the type of easily digestible shit for plebeians I'm talking about.

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>>3167652
American culture is black American culture. It has evolved unbroken since before the establishment of the country, and has practically no foreign influence.

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>>3168060
Stop being fucking retarded

You know how any group of people ever don't even realize they have a "culture" because that's just how life is and always has been for them? That's the case here. Either A) you're all l Americans and what I just described is happenng to you, or B) due to our great country's global influence the entire first world has some level of American culture intertwined with their own and thus does not recognize it

You fucking shitbag Europeans would still be living under literal inbred retards (no offense charlie) were it not for us

American culture
>guns
>strong family ties
>consumerism
>sports viewing parties
>alcohol
I can go on. Ignoring big cities of course, only to make it fair, every big city in the world suffers from being bland and void of culture for the most part

>>3167806
yuro paranoia

>>3167819

the average american didn't read mark twain lmfao, a lot of americans before the world wars were iirc couldn't read books.

i don't think hollywood is the cause of it, i think it has to do with how america lacks a religion or concept behind it now anymore. the original concept was a land that anyone (if they were white/caucaus) could come to and avoid persecution and try to make something of themselves, but now that all the land is settled, americans are left without a concept, if that makes sense. people in america seem to even dislike things like freedom of religion now. so i'm not sure what america's culture is supposed to be.

>>3168154
t. idiot redneck from a nowhere state

>>3168154


>guns

guns are a tool, not culture

>strong family ties

fuck no, the divorce rate in america is high and a lot of the families that do stay together only do it for financial and/or moral reasons

>consumerism

shit

>sports viewing parties

shit

>alcohol

shit

>>3168172
Mark Twain was the most popular children's author by a country mile.

>>3168174
I'm an iranian living in north florida, neck yourself
>>3168181
Okay, then, gun culture is a big part of our culture. A focus on freedom, the right to bear arms, anti-government sentiment (from both sides), it's all wrapped up in there when I said guns
>divorce rate
Divorced people aren't family, now are they dumbfuck?
>shit shit shit
what you said literally means nothing at all

>>3168154
>guns
>strong family ties
>consumerism
>sports viewing parties
>alcohol
dude what
Please explain what you mean by this, and how on earth you'd go about to claim these are part of the US culture.

>>3167652
The idea of progress and a desire for novelty are part of American culture.

>>3168201
No fuck off, I gave examples now either counter them or ignore my post don't ask me to justify. Not an argument, good night it's 3AM

>>3168154
>alcohol
Really nigger? America is basically muslim tier comparing to Europe when it comes to alcohol. Have to reach 21 to be even able to legally drink and several counties literally still have prohibition enacted.

>>3168197
>I'm an Iranian
That explains it lmao. Just because we drink more than a literal mohammedan doesn't mean it's a staple of our culture.

>>3167766

no, the style has changed quite a bit from the 2000's. there's several things that have happened

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>>3167652
There's no such thing as a unified culture in a multicultural industrial urbanized country. Just subcultures formed by smaller communities. Others defined by the popular media and music.

>>3168208
I see anti-intellectualism and overall hostile behavior towards civil discussion is a cornerstone of whatever culture you're part of.

>>3168231
>alcohol and consumerism
how is this not German or English culture?

>>3168201
There's also:
>BBQ
>Shit-tons of other foods
>Potlucks
>Rummage/Yard sales
>Every popular music genre developed after ~1920
>Cinema
>Blue Jeans

Yuromemes probably are just jealous we've so completely eclipsed them.

>>3167652
>What is american culture

It doesn't exist

the culture of consuming and getting fat

>>3167798
just watching the film Blast from The Past which like many films portrays the 50w,60s, 70s and 80s as very distinct time periods with regards to music, fashion and culture.

What I want to ask is, how exaggerated is the distinctiveness of these eras? and how and why did it happen?

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>>3168270
>getting fat
Greatest civilization

>it's another thread of butthurt Europeans unable to cope with irrelevance and dilution and lashing out at their superiors
All Europeans do is eat cheeseburgers and import sandniggers to be more like the multicultural American sitcoms they watch.

>>3167652
It's closely related to British culture, while being effected by Republicanism, Puritanism, the fact that we're on a huge continent, as well as having dashes of other cultures, like native ones, and ones from non-British people who came here.
America does have a culture, and it's not Hollywood.

>>3167788
That's probably largely attributable to the growth of industrialism and consumerism. Plenty of East Asian foods available in microwaveable format and there's there's stuff like K-pop, and tv and film and such. If Africa industrialized they'd just commercialize their culture also. Look at the growth of Bollywood in India. There's also a Wakaliwood in Uganda.

Primitivism or some degree of ludditism might be the solution for the preservation of non commercialist/industrialist culture.

>>3168350
t. hillbilly stuck in the 2000s

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>>3167652
>American culture

>>3168213
I guess. We largely dress and speak the same way we did in 2005. Just nowadays there is a slight variation in dress in college kid circles. Although I am not sure if getting an undercut and dying it pink while continuing to dress in a T shirt and jeans like every other college student really counts as a significant stylistic change.

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>American culture

>All these butthurt Eurofags wanting to make fun of America
Maybe if you had something of value, you wouldn't feel the need to invalidate the center of culture in the modern world

>>3168211
I'm a Protestant though
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Fuck you cunt

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>>3167652
>american
>culture
Pick one

>>3168197
>I'm an iranian living in north florida, neck yourself
There is nothing more cancerous in this world than an Ir*nian diaspora. Can't wait for the day you get BTFO'd by Israel and Saudi Arabia.

>>3168223
This is the only good post in this thread.

>>3168197
>we have strong family ties
<your marriages suggest otherwise
>they cease to be families after they are broken up, you yuropoor!!

Your anti-government sentiment is also a cheap neocon knock off of what it used to be. Most of you cousin-fucking retards know nothing of the intellectual basis of your country. Get back to your Hannity, yahoo sheep

>"AMERICANS DON'T HAVE CULTURE"
>said the European as he hate a McDouble before being robbed by sandniggers and arrested by the police to pre-emptively prevent hate-thought

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>>3170323
We indeed hate mcdonalds

Racial tension, generational conflict (look at our obsession with different decades), good af music, a sentimental love of the endearing and the outrageous, godlike aesthetics that the whole globe doesn't even see as American anymore

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>>3170346
I should also add that it's kind of sad that whatever consumerist gimmick your corporations come up with is adopted as a part of your national heritage

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There is no American culture, due to it being an entirely multicultural and multiethnic state with a long history of sectionalism and being watered down by the rise of mass media

You have cultures for the varying regions, such as the South, Texas, New England, etc, and its influences from its varying ethnic groups, but any sort of unified meaningful culture died with international mass media. The only reasonable cultural tenets that could be considered 'American' would be something like tipping culture and our incessant need for clapping. Everything else is regionally-based, which is too dying out due to the rise of liberal yuppies gentrifying everything

>>3167652
Most cultures do that

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>>3168154

American culture is so ubiquitous and hegemonic worldwide that it isn't recognized as culture. America has exported their culture like no civilization in history ever has. America will be looked back on as being much more influential than Rome.

>>3167652
America is a culture of outcasts, Europe used to be the wellspring of culture, but the shitty ideas and the unsuccessful people behind them were forced to go to America where even the worst artist, architect, writer, composer could find wealth and fame. America is the trashbin of culture, whatever Europe discards seems to find itself flourishing in America.

>>3167652
Neoliberalism m8.
American "culture" is usually state culture

>>3171170
American culture will probably be to the world what Roman culture was to Europe

>>3169689
I totally agree. Watching arrested development for example, you would never know it's 12 years ago. Pick any 12 year span - 2000-1988, 82-70, 68-56, etc... and the style and culture is much more pronounced than the 12 years we are in now.

>>3167652
Because it's based on profit unlike a real culture

>>3168181
Gun love is part of American culture. Literally nowhere else will you see as much of a love for guns as Americans.

>>3167819

Stephen Kings comunicates some complex ideas, he just does it in a very mass appeal kind of way. That's not a bad thing, and the true measure of an artist's greatness is their ability to communicate complex emotions and ideas to a large audience. That's why Stephen King is popular when he writes essentially the same ideas as HP Lovecraft but Lovecraft couldn't communicate for shit due to being a sweaty housebound racist agoraphobic with no people skills

>>3167652
Because trends come and go all of the time

>>3171588
but being racist in lovecraft's days were hardly uncommon

>>3168154
B8 but...

>guns
It's just a tool

>strong family ties
AUDIBLE HEARTY KEK

> consumerism
That's not good

>sports viewing parties
So?

>alcohol
Not good either and besides Europe already has an alcohol culture

Also
>(sorry charlie)
Do you realize that e*gland is just a tiny part of Europe and doesn't represents the continent as a whole, right?

>>3168223

I actually don't mind that though. Alienated isolated fags like the people on 4chan may have an isssue with it but honestly thing have never been better from a cultural standpoint because more niche targeted cultural products are being made. I mean shit imagine being into like Noir in the 60's when none of that shit was being made, or being into fantasy in the 40's after the pulps died and you were shit out of luck until Tolkein resurrected the genre. Now you can access basically anything ever made for free

>>3171600

True but Lovecraft was a complete autist about it. Fuck even Robert E Howard thought he was weird about it and that guy never had a single black dude in Conan that wasn't evil

>>3171579
I don't know, have you ever seen a destabilised African nation? Most of them are exactly the same. Looking at U.S. racial demographics, I.q. score and music recently, it's clear the two continents have a lot in common.

>>3167788
>dat advertising
So americans were being brainwashed and culturally destroyed already in the post war?

I thought the "all the day watching a screen" was a modern phenomena

Scary desu

>>3168154
>from being bland and void of culture for the most part
I was with you until you said this. Cities have always been and will always be places where arts, commerce, science, philosophy, and capital production flourish the most. No amount of you disliking them will change this.

>>3171644
Every new generation of mass media has made it just a little bit worse.

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>>3167698
those hips are pretty big

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>>3171635
>have you ever seen a destabilised African nation? Most of them are exactly the same. Looking at U.S. racial demographics, I.q. score and music recently, it's clear the two continents have a lot in common.

>>3171712
There you go. Rest my case.

>>3171712

>Brutality glorified

Pretty rich coming from the continent that gassed millions of people because a one testicled manlet with a shitty mustache told them to

>>3171781
Whereas you nuked two cities full of civilians so that your soldiers could avoid any real fighting, purchased the data of human experiments from both Unit 731 and the concentration camps and used Nazi scientists to beat the Soviets to the moon. Stop pretending you are any different.

>>3171603
Ironic post there, Charlie. I reckon you mosey on over into my neck of the woods, central Wyoming, and stay for a week. Then go just a few miles south into the state right beneath it, Colorado, and you will notice a drastic change culture change, especially as you approach Denver. "American" culture encompasses a huge amount of subcultures spread throughout the countries diverse geography. It certainly doesn't help that all the macro elements of American culture have already been exported, leaving foreigners familiar enough with American culture to experience it as normal; however what most people seem to forget is that we are a union of many smaller states (in theory, anyway, the boundaries get messy, especially the later into American history you get) and each state, hands down, has their own culture and even regional subcultures. It is easy to identify smaller subcultures and peoples in smaller landmasses, but America is no different with how many different regions it encompasses. Also,
>guns are a tool not culture
Do you even understand what you're talking about? It's the culture which puts emphasis on the tool.

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>>3171644
1950s was exactly when it started.

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>>3171804

>Civillians

That implies those cockroaches were Human. Nanking, the Bataan death march, Every Jap POW camp, and thousands of other examples prove that incorrect brainlet. Next you are gonna teal me the allies were meanies to the poor widdle Nazis

>>3171836
>Nazis killed jews, OH NO NOT THE POOR INNOCENT JEWS !!!
>but killing Asians is okay because they're not human lmao
Get lost Schlomo.

>>3171839

Asians are human. Imperial Japanese citizens who were allowing their government to chimp out all over Asia aren't though

>>3171712
>Europe doesn't glorify brutality and violence
I thought Europeans were proud of their histories

>>3171848
Then what are you when you allowed your government to intervene in countless wars, losing thousands of American lives in the process with no real gain?

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56%

>>3171559
Im glad you see it that way. Ive had people argue with me over this, and while there is some slight nuance to the way we dress today than 10 years ago, it's really not that pronounced. Evolving style has come to a screeching halt, nowadays we either just sit around in postmodernity or we go back to the past and dress like our parents did.

>>3171559
I disagree, I can usually tell when something was made in the early to mid 2000s. I'm 20 though, so that's when I grew up, and subtle changes might be more obvious to me.

>>3167652
USA had culture once. First the natives, then the settlers, slaves and migrant workers. Present day USA barely has culture as most of it has been abolished by capitalism. Culture emerges from human activity, but capitalism is increasingly dictating that activity for capitalist, not human, purposes. As capitalism spreads and intensifies the human element is gradually extinguished until humans behave like machines and perform work for abstract purposes that have no relation to their needs.

>>3168267
Euros don't have yard sales? What the fuck?

>USA
>culture
lmao

In their whole 200+ years of history they have fielded two relevant music composers.
They're worse than fucking Britain in that regard.

>>3171644
It started in the 50s. I had a great aunt, stay at home mom, and she spent every day of her life from the 50s onward, my mom tells me, in front of the television, chain smoking and eating jelly beans and ither candies and nuts in a bowl in the table beside the couch. I only saw her a handful of times as a kid but by that time she was smoking and talking out of a hole in her throat. This is your brain on capitalism kek

>>3176806
Oh to add her children turned out as scumbag brainlets

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>>3167689
10/10

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>>3168181
stay mad britard, bet that 1776 sting can still be felt

>>3168154
American culture
>guns
>strong family ties
>consumerism
>sports viewing parties
>alcohol
holy fuck and you think this is culture? this is pure degeneracy all of this.

>>3171712
>no shitskins
lololololol

>bidets
some houses in the US have them, but theyre fucking stupid. eurocucks can keep splashing water on their assholes if they want though

>diet has no garbage
france, spain, and nigels are exempt to this, EU has shitty food that is unhealthy

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>>3178659
no, its freedom

>>3174815
Yard sales are objectively the best thing ever. You can get some cool shit for super cheap or you can have your own and make some money from shit you would've thrown away. If yard sales are American then god bless America.

>>3178671
>using your hand to wipe your poo poo
I can never understand this

>>3178671
American here but bidets are objectively great.
>get your hands dirty - wash them
>get your face dirty - wash it
>get your feet dirty - wash them
>get your ass dirty - SCRAPE IT AWAY WITH A PIECE OF PAPER LMAO
I don't understand this. Why wouldn't you clean your ass with water, considering feces are a lot more unsanitary than some bacon grease on your fingers?

>>3167817
did you find the quote?

>>3178673
Freedom to drink shitty beer at 21?

So did we ever determine how we were defining culture?

>>3178711
No

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>>3178706
not if you get invited to parties and experience the culture
USA is the best country in the world

>>3178774
YOOOO DUUUDEEE DID YOU HEAR THE NEW !!!!EPIC!!!!! TRAP SONG? IT'S LIKE BALLIN MAAAN HERE TAKE YOUR PISSWATER BEER WHOA SON I'M SO DRUNK NOW I'VE HAD THREE BEERS ALREADY! DUDE MAN I FUKKEN LOVE BEER PONG LMAO!

>>3167819
I understand what you were trying to say and that you hate capeshit movies and quips and all that, but Superman and the themes and whole mythology that it birthed (not to mention the entire comic and superhero subculture it spawned) was and is an honest to God legitimate touchstone in American culture and an iconic expression of America's belief in itself in the 20th century. Again, I know what you were trying to say, and it sounds a bit silly to argue because it's been lumped in with everything else over the years, but Superman is, no joke, an important piece of American history. I know that sounds funny to hear.

>>3168319
It kind of blends and flows. That 50's style/aesthetic was probably the most distinct and longest lasting in itself. It pushed into the 60's pretty far actually. Meaning, if you went back in time to America in the early 60's, you'd probably have a bit of a difficult time figuring out if you were 50's or 60's. The "60's as you know it aestetically today began in New York sometime around '63 or '64 and quickly spread across the country. The 60's "ethos" had fully reached California by '67 where, by '69, it started to bounce back and expanded and bounced it back across the country to New York again in the later 70's.

>>3174865
>composers
lol. The Old World never fails to make me cringe.

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>>3179115
>Americans are so plebeian they cringe when composers are mentioned
Go back to your Beyonce videos.

Lol americans

>>3179118
>Euros heads are so far up their own smug assholes that they think we're cringing at the music and not at their retarded asses still sticking up their noses about some ancient wankfest bullshit and haven't moved on to that new hotness.
lol. Go back to sniffing your own farts.

>>3179124
>"new hotness"
Talk about cringe. Are you a nigger too?

>>3179128
Go to bed, Gramps.

>>3178774
>american party culture
red cuos, shit alcohol, shit music and in the case of EDM, trillions of bracelets and other technogoth cancer.

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