>tfw your brother goes on vacation to murder Saracens for

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>>3152477
England's greatest King is Alfred though, and it's not even close.

>>3152487
this, who the fuck thinks richard is england's greatest king

>>3152477
england has only ever had one king called "great" and that's >>3152487
richard I was the one to persecute robin hood btw, also he died like a cuck.
he's remembered because he at least tried to crusade.
john is only hated because he signed the (((magna carta)))

edward I was everything richard I was but better, yet he's constantly slandered.

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>>3152487
nope

>>3152477
Just another example of the old Anglo-British tradition of hating fucking stupid taxes.

>>3152477
>and then your brother gets kidnapped by the French

Btw, said brother was French too, and so was this guy

>>3152940

>born in Oxford
>French

>>3152966
>Born to French parents
>Could only ever speak French
>Not French

>>3152477
To be fair John wasn't the worst king his son was. But John was a traitor and a cunt. Richard goes and joins the crusade, leaves a regent in control since he knows John is a fucking retard. Even gets John to swear he won't go to England for 3 years. goes before the end of the first year. Tries to take power and eventually does but during all of this he builds a reputation as a traitor. Richard finishes his crusade on the way home he gets captured by the Holy Roman emperor. John is so arse blasted about Richard not giving him power he conspires with the French king into causing rebellions in Normandy. Richard finally gets home, can't spend any time in England because John has fucked up Normandy so he has to go crush the rebellions. Does this for a while before he is killed.

John becomes king and does everything wrong and ruins the Monarchy, he even goes as far as having a terrible son who makes it even worse.

>>3152756
Wasn't Cnut known as the great as well? I might be wrong but I thought Henry V was known as the great lion?

>>3152487
I don't know Alfred was indeed great, he was very smart and started the old British Propaganda machine, fought of the Vikings and left a legacy for his sons to follow.

But there are a lot of kings that I think deserve credit:

Edward the confessor (Minus being a retard about his heir)
William the conqueror
Henry I
Herny II
Richard I
Edward I
Edward III
Henry IV
Henry V
Henry VII
Elisabeth I
Victoria I
George V

>>3153049
Edward II was way worse than Henry III

>>3153053
can Cnut really be considered king of england?

>>3152477
John was a retarded bitch.
>>3152487
Was a pretty cool dude. I mean fuck the Danes, right?
>>3152756
The Robin Hood stories aren't set during the third crusade til the 1600s. In the early stories they call the king Edward.

>>3152966
Why didn't William the Conqueror fully frenchalize the Anglos?

George III

>>3153167
I think so, or atleast when he was in England. From what I've read about Cnut is that when he was in England he was English to a degree.

>>3152477
Fucking thank you.

Everyone says John is a bad king but he spent his entire reign trying to fix Richard colossal fuck ups, while everyone loves Richard despite the fact that he spent his entire reign thousands of miles away wasting money and then got held ransom forcing every Englishman to pay 1/4 of his year income.

Fuck Richard, John was cool, Henry II best king ever.

>>3153305
Fuck off, there wouldn't be shit all to fix if John didn't conspire with the French king in courses shit all over Henry II's empire. John was a traitor and ruined the monarchy.

I also love Henry the second he was a fucking lad, peaceful England while gaining all them sweet lands. Poor lad had his friend choose the church over him and caused him all sort of troubles after Henry pulled him from the dirt.

>>3153305
Richard was a bad son, bad husband, and a bad king, but a great and terrible warlord. While he was alive the French were kept out, and the barons kept in line.

John spent his entire reign fucking up all his father's hard work. England would have been better off with Arthur of Brittany and Marshall as regent, or dare I say it Prince Louis.

>>3153349
I've been thinking if John was never born how much better it would have been.

Don't have to give John land, Henry, Richard and Geoffrey don't rebel. Henry and Geoffrey die and Richard succeeds to the throne without having to rebel. Richard crusades, comes back to England after being kidnapped but doesn't die to rebels because John hasn't been stirring shit all over his kingdom. Hopefully lives a full life and has an heir.

No King John Reign no Henry III reign. Unfortunately this would mean we wouldn't get Edward I or III but we also wouldn't get II

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>>3153365
The sons of Henry II not rebelling and fighting each other would probably never happen. They were a raucous bunch. However without John's shit stirring the realm would have proved stronger. The french king, though good, doesn't have a chance against Richard, and Richard would squash any baron's revolt pretty quick.
However upon his death the realm would end up divided in a succession war.

Who would win? Arthur of Brittany vs Philip of Cognac!
It would be the blockbuster of 1200ad!
Who will win the bastard or the 13 year old?

>>3153453
It's hard not to be an idealist when you look back. I know the main reason of the fighting of the sons was because Henry II gave John land from Richard and Henry which pissed them both off and John too. So they fought if John weren't a factor maybe they wouldn't have fought themselves but others. Richard was always war hungry I'm sure he would have found something to fight for.

>>3153453
Vote on your phones now!

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>>3153478
Henry II was controlling, he didn't give Henry the Young any real power for fear of usurpation. Which ended up causing the Young to rebel. All of the sons wanted their inheritance before Henry II was ever dead. If the Young King had lived to see a real crown, Richard would have fought him and Philip both for a free Aquitaine. While Geoffrey would have tried for Anjou and Normandy. Meanwhile Ireland will quickly rebel under the rule of John.

>>3153489
Nah you've got to vote through indulgence purchases, and crusading vows.

>>3153059
>Henry IV

Most underrated desu

>>3153059
Why no edward iv..?

>>3153004
You realize french was spoken in england by the elite abd their dependents and many english writers wrote in french for their masters? Its not like we call all Hungarians "roman" because their language of choice was latin in speech, writing and governance until the 1840s

>>3152940
>TFW France is so historically shit that Pierre needs to come into every thread about England and shitpost about how all of England's kings were french

Sad

>>3154402
>because their language of choice was latin in speech

Yeah language of "choice"
Meanwhile, Richard was a member of a French house, born recently after said house took over England
And French wasnt his "language of choice" but the only one he knew

>>3154473
Well, of course it isnt a choice if your social stratum speaks a language different from the rest of the population. Howevers its not wrong to say that the norman ruling class chose to speak french and perpetuate the language among their class rather than adopt the language of the natives. Over time this resistance against the native language became softer and by henry viiis reign we see a shift to english as the administrative language and viii spoke english mostly (despite his dad having been raised french in the french court of brittany).