Why can't communists and socialists just go be communist

>>3133916
Communism and Socialism is at it's core an idea of reform, through the replacement of a system, smaller countries with tiny economic bases can easily be shut off from global trade, and it would only be economically sensible to cut off trade to a small nation upon which you rely little upon, strangling the monster in the crib, as it stands, Countries under totalitarian rule such as China and Saudi Arabia are accepted as valid trade partners, because not to do so means you sacrifice the benefits of trade you get with those nations.

>>3133916

Cause CIA goes to such places and starts killing them.

In already established 1worldnationwithpowerfulindustrycapitalisticvaluesandwhatnot they can save their lifes.

>>3133932
But wouldn't deliberate distribution according to need mostly remove the need for international trade?

>>3133945
So the cia will kill foreign communists but not domestic ones? And it'll kill all foreign communists regardless of anything?

>>3133946
No why would that be the case?

>>3133946
Not really, the vast majority of countries on the Planet require some trade, and a country that refuses to do so will naturally see it's standard of living decrease, as the things a populace can have is limited by the resources of the nation, countries with smaller industrial bases are less able to create things even if they have an abundance of natural resources, and having bad living conditions under a universally despised system is a sure fire way to be "liberated".

>>3133954
Most nations should have more than enough for their population's basic needs if their product is evenly distributed

>>3133970
Most undeveloped nations? Known for having collosal populations and undeveloped means of production?

>>3133950

The FBI harasses local ones but have "rights".
The foreign ones are tortured and killed by CIA and friends without a hesitation.

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>>3133916
because communism and socialism are natural stages of human civilization
They can only happen after capitalism, which is, despite all the misery and exploitation, a necessary stage

>>3133916
The same reason "class conscious" proletariat can't just save their money and buy their own machinery to go into business for themselves.

That would require work.

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>>3133916
Oh ya guys I so want to end like Allende.

[spoiler] Plus socialism can only come after capitalism so of coz 1st world has to transform first [/spoiler]

>>3133916
The idea is, destroy the ruling class, let the merchants build up society and finally redistribute their earnings.

>>3133945
>Muh overpower ninja CIA porkys destroy my worker paradise.

>>3134024
>redistribution of wealth
>But such jests are irrelevant as well as flippant. What we want is not a redistribution of overcoats, although it must be said that even in such a case, the shivering folk would see advantage in it. Nor do we want to divide up the wealth of the Rothschilds. What we do want is so to arrange things that every human being born into the world shall be ensured the opportunity in the first instance of learning some useful occupation, and of becoming skilled in it; next, that he shall be free to work at his trade without asking leave of master or owner, and without handing over to landlord or capitalist the lion’s share of what he produces. As to the wealth held by the Rothschilds or the Vanderbilts, it will serve us to organize our system of communal production.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

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>>3134053

No, they just kill people.

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>>3133916
Because all the commies want global revolution.

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>>3133995
So, communism is inevitable?

>>3134019
>Cold war
>Cuba is Socialist now.
>Chile declare allegiance with URSS
>nationalized US business in the territory.
>Surprised when USA and NATO goes against you to protect their own interest.
>How could this be? Those imperialistic fascist.

>>3134161

>Somewhat you think that you have a point.
That´s what really worries me.

>>3133916
Although it's not a socialist country, the ruling power of Bolivia is already socialist.

>>3134169
>I don't understand realpolitik
>Ethics over politics

why don't you try see the world how really is it?

>>3133995
>>3134137
I hate Hegelian philosophy.

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>>3133916
>implying communism didn't form its own independent movement in a 3rd world international punching bag with virtually no industrial base and see it become the dominant manufacturing power on the globe

>>3134185

Why don´t you try to see the thread how really is it?

>>3134185
>implying it wasn't realpolitk and ideological

>>3134137
Pretty much. The further we progress the more Capitalism needs to rely on artificial barriers and scarcity to keep things running. You can bet as 3D printers advance, there's going to be a lot of effort to keep people from doing 'illegal' things with them.

At the same time, we're heading towards a huge rush of automation, that's going to pretty well make obsolete the loads of education the first world has invested in it's own workforce. And rather then just saying 'neat, I guess a bunch of people don't have to work for their money' anymore, there's going to be every effort to ensure the wealth goes up to the top, even when it makes an economy that makes no sense.

>>3133916
>Somalia or Bolivia are equatable
Nother right cuck who knows fuck all about the world let alone governance.
And promoting progressive policies to prevent the country from becoming a den of snake eaters doesn't mean you want a Stalinist dictatorship. It actually means you want to keep your country from becoming an exploited banana republic.

>>3134241
This. FALC or cyberpunk

>>3134208
But I thought China wasn't real communism. Also didn't all of the industrialization and improvements in standard of living take place after it stopped being communist?

>>3133945
>CIA caring about Communism in 2017

>>3133950
>foreign policy is distinct from domestic policy?????
cmon man

>And it'll kill all foreign communists regardless of anything?
uncle ho tried to reach out to the states before going to the soviet union

>>3134195
but in hegelian philosophy the end of history is the prussian state

>>3134527
Naw a good deal of chinese industrialization did happen under the mao years
this isn't something necessarily surprising or that can be attributed to mao, a centralized chinese state was a long time coming, and it was a centralized state that actually gave a shit about economic development. I to not get any development out of that you'd have to sabotage it on purpose, not merely Mao's accidental fuckups cuz incompetency.

>>3134024
But anon, merchants are the impromptu ruling class.
Why on earth would they destroy themselves and let you take their shit?
That makes no sense.

>>3133916
Somalia is already a communist country.
When the French left, the Somalis elected a socialist government to redistribute the resources left behind by the French and began recieving limited foreign aid from the Soviets.

The country immediately collapsed into warring tribes nominally ruled over by a hilariously corrupt government, and today lacks infrastructure, an economy, or even a feudal level of civilisation.

>>3133916
>why do they always want to take over an already established, 1st world nation with powerful industry and capitalistic values
But they don't?
The two major communist countries (USSR and China) were agrarian.