Why does /pol/ deny the fact that Black People/Sub-Saharan Africans

>>3127530
They did.
They were also very rare (a few in Southern Egypt and traders from Ethiopia) peasants and had very little impact on the empire as a whole.
Basically only Greeks, Italians (including Latins living in colonies) and Germans (later on when the army was barbarized) were able to occupy positions of power within the imperial structure.
There were Basques, Illyrians and Celtobarians in the empire too, but they didn't do shit so no one cares about them either.

>>3127530
They legit fear the black man.

>>3127530
>Black People/Sub-Saharan Africans lived in the Roman Empire

what a fascinating assertion
if you know that at least one Black People lived in the Roman Empire specifically, you certainly then should be able to give a basic estimate for the total.

>>3127530
It's weird to that people deny them but Romans mention black populations in Carthage and Libya as well as "white Black people" who in my mind infer assimilated populations that are a part of mostly blacker groups.

Anyways Saint Maurice's oldest depiction is black and they existed and folks should calm down.

>>3127539
>Who is Scipio Africanus

Quit talking out your ass.

>>3127618
>Maurice was an Egyptian, born in AD 250
>portrayed as black ever since the 12th century

ok
>when Maximian ordered them to harass some local Christians, they refused. Ordering the unit to be punished, Maximian had every tenth soldier killed, a military punishment known as decimation. More orders followed, the men refused as encouraged by Maurice, and a second decimation was ordered. In response to the Theban Christians' refusal to attack fellow Christians, Maximian ordered all the remaining members of the 6,600 unit to be executed. The place in Switzerland where this occurred, known as Agaunum, is now named Saint Maurice-en-Valais, site of the Abbey of Saint Maurice-en-Valais.

>>3127632
>Scipio gained the name Africanus because of his succesful invasion campaign in Africa, not because he was born in Africa.
>As a matter of fact before Scipio Africanus, there where no roman parts of Africa.
But no because the guy was named Africanus he must have been black.

>>3127539
Hadrian, Marcus Aurelis and Trajan were Hispanic m8. Lots of senators too like the Senecas.

>>3127705
And later one, specially in the ERE, illirians/balkanites, Armenians etc got into power, after the Germans ruined the west.

>>3127632
holy shit what a faggot

>>3127530
I don't know, why don't you go over to /pol/ and ask them?

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>>3127530
Both /pol/turds and niggercentrists are equally annoying.

How about asking /pol/ and hatefuck each other, OP. You dense faggot.

>>3127618
The thing is that "Black" (and "White") are 18th century Euro-American inventions. The Romans most certainly did not use these racial terms in the same way we do. Whatever source you're claiming to draw from, you are certainly adding your own modern bias to it.

Romans didn't give a shit about Germanics, Brythonic/Celts or Armenians supposed levels of "whiteness". They were all NOT Roman, that's all that mattered. Obviously they could distinguish the main differences between an Ethiopian/Nubian, a Pict and a Judaean, but there was no modern racial theory behind it.

>>3127960
You clearly haven't read any of the documents I have they use descriptors of blacks and white or rather Melano and Lyco on certain North Africans.
Please read them before posting and making yourself seem quite foolish.

>>3127530
Why do afrocentrists and salty left wingers keep trying to inject black people into parts of history where, if there were any, they were few.

Black Americans in particular have a huge chip on their shoulder about it.

>>3127539
>Basically only Greeks, Italians (including Latins living in colonies) and Germans (later on when the army was barbarized) were able to occupy positions of power within the imperial structure.
>who is Septimus Severus
>who is Caracalla
>who is Philippus
>who is Elagabalus

>>3127972
Post these mysterious unnamed documents or STFU. Again, they could obviously distinguish between physical differences, they had eyes. That doesn't mean the terms equate with modern racial conceptions in the way you're imagining.

>>3127978
Same reason why white americans identifie with the roman empire even tho they are anglo, it's because USA is a souless nation with no history so they steal the past of other people.

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>>3127978
Cause obviously they feel history-less. Being cotton-pickin' slaves and massa's cumdumpster isn't exactly a noble history. Nevermind that most were just mud-hut naked yam farmers in Africa when they were stolen.

There are a lot of pretty stupid humans, don't underestimate that.

Hannibal Barca was descended from phonecian nobles, not spear chuckers

he was tan like middle easterners

>>3127998
Except white americans don't say "we were romans". The western world, including america can legitimately identify with ancient rome to an extent.

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>>3128022
>Leventine with probably some berber admixture
>tan

Why are AA prone to flights of fancy when it comes to discourse concerning African history? I've actually been reading stuff written by actual scholars, and while Africans were far from shaping the modern world, there was some interesting occurrences in my opinion. There's zero need to claim responsibility for the achievements of other races.

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>>3127530
When will black people stop being racist?

>>3128041
Nevertheless he's not a black sub-saharan african like what libercuck revisionist depict on history channel.

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HE HAS A FUCKING CHI RHO ON HIS HELMET

WHAT THE FUCK

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>>3128179
oh my fuck

>>3128179
WE WUZ CHRISTIAN 200 YEARS BEFORE JESUS WAS EVEN BORN

>>3128179
Lol, dirt cheap production.

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>>3128179
This prop is such a bizarre construction

The shape of it is generally based on the Greco-Roman Attic helmet that Roman officers are usually portrayed with

But it's got a metal crest and a Chi Rho like a Late Roman helmet

Also it looks like it's made out if plastic. Did they buy it at a party store?

>>3128199
They must have
That armour looks like a leather construct of the roman lorica hagmata

>>3127632
Weak b8, someone that dumb could not use a computer.

>>3127530
The probability of finding a free Ethiopian or Nubian african would have been very small anywhere outside of Egypt.

The probability of finding a free western subsaharan african anywhere outside of present day Morocco or in garamantian desert tribes would have been infinitesimal.

Why people would want to push those as a common occurence in history is beyond me, what advantage is there to "diversify" history in such a manner? It just takes accuracy away from any depiction of a certain period. I wouldn't want a white chinese general in an historical chinese movie on the Han just because there have been occurences of roman traders in China, it would make no sense.

>>3128235
>someone that dumb could not use a computer.
ignorant thing to say
about as ignorant as thinking Africanus had to be from Africa

actually, I wonder why Caesar never got to be called Gallicus, or Britanicus

>>3127530
Because they have to make everything about contemporary American racial politics.

>>3127998
Most White Americans aren't Anglo and the area which would become England and Wales was under Roman rule a long time. Meanwhile romans only conquered the very north of Africa and the part of the Nile that's in Egypt.

>>3128288
I would first think that the practice of granting names like that came out of practice but Germanicus is there to debunk that, so I don't know.
Intersting question really

>>3127530
The New Testament explicitly references Ethiopians in Roman Israel. It's unclear if they lived there, were traders or diplomats or what.

>>3128330
North africa was in the roman empire longer than western europe, and a bunch of roman emperors were from north africa, yet you don't see maghrebis going "we were romans and such".

We wuzzing is just an ameritard hobby.

>>3127530
Go ask them. This is not /pol/.

>>3128089
When /his/ stops thinking that "Barca" was Hannibal's last name.

>>3128190
Somebody pulled wardrobe outta the warehouse, did they?

>>3128288
Perhaps "Dictator" was good enough for him.

>>3128288
"In 46 Caesar celebrated in Rome four triumphs for his victorious campaigns and received the following additional names Gallicus, Ponticus, Alexandrinus and Africanus."

Says this guy: https://www.romeartlover.it/Storia5.html

First I ever heard of it, if true presumably he did not make much use of them.

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>my thread about capitalism got deleted and I was issued a warning
>this shit still remains

>>3128939
damn, thanks for letting me know

>>3127530
The Aksumites (Ethiopians) traded with and had an overall comfy relationship with the Byzantine Empire.

>>3128893
Bull fucking shit it's an exclusive Ameritard hobby
There are countless Germans and Bongs who legit think they are heirs and descendants of the Roman Empire which is magically white or nonwhite depending on the period being discussed
And let's not forget this obsession in European fitness circles as seen on /fit/ of we wuz vikangz and sheit

>>3128955
Come on man we wuz berserkers and shit and fought with two axes against 50 enemies at once on the battlefield and definitely weren't marauders pillaging curches and fishing villages and running away at the first sign of a real fight

>>3128955
>There are countless Germans and Bongs who legit think they are heirs and descendants of the Roman Empire
you forgot French
and yeah, Italians, wonder where that might have come from
and they are you faggot
all of them

WE

>>3128940
Was it one of those commie threads or a "name one thing the free market can't do"?

>>3127618
>folks should calm down.
not as long as you talk like a fucking faggot
Kill yourself and stop fawning over everything "other"

>>3128955
Never heard of an european we wuzzer. The few that may exist have been inspirated by muh white race wuzzers from burgerland anyways.

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>>3127530
>>3127592
>>3128041
>>3128089
>>3128179
>>3128199
>>3128940
Reminder that Romans were whiter than modern Italians

>>3128041
Did Egyptians have sleeve tats?
>Fucking degenerate hipsters. I guess DEY WUZ after all.

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>>3129042
Plenty of modern Italians are blonde. Also, blonde hair dyeing was all the rage in Roman times. Darker hair and olive skin tone was however the norm.

>>3129081
No one says they were Nordic, you imbecile

>0.1% were subsaharran at a stretch
>therefore 20% of romans should be black

>>3127618
>folks
Basketballer detected

>>3127632
People who quote this deserve to die.

>>3127711
>Germans ruined the west.
I think you meant Nero. Anyway, Rome was a Vampire, remove grain from Carthage = withering away.

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>>3129088
They weren't any "whiter" modern Italians

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>>3127824
Brhuu

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>>3129042
>>3129088

>>3129160
this will be very unrelated to thread topic but why couldn't people of any culture in antiquity draw/paint for shit?
drawing theory doesn't really rely on available technology all that much and the sculptures of the period had superb lifelike proportions but most paintings and mosaics were just sad
why is this?

>>3127632
>His name is Africanus
>He must be black!
hurrrrr

>>3129208
It's easier to translate 3D objects onto a 3D space (sculpture) than onto a 2D space (paintings, mosaics)

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>>3128022
>>3128089

Sometime around 814 BC Phoenicians migrated from Phoenicia (which is modern day Israel/Lebanon) to North Africa by use the mediterranean sea. So they were semites. Yeah sure.

Hannibal Barca was born in 247 BC. Unless Phoenicians fucked each other for 600 years, then there is a possibility that Hannibal Barca looked like a Jew, but we know that this isn't true. Here is why...

The people of Carthage formed a relationship with the Berbers/Numidians. Hannibal's brother-in-law was a Numidian king and we also know that Berbers were already diverse group. The Maghreb Berbers traveled to South of the Sahara with the use of Camels and would trade with West African kings all the time.

Numidians and Carthaginians got Gold, African Bush Elephants, Ivory/Elephant Tusk, Lions, Leopard Skin and West African Slaves from kingdoms like Mali/Ghana/Songhai. (Shit you only could have gotten from West Africa at the time)

Mauritania, Mali and Niger are "Sub-Saharan" countries, but today we know that Arab-Afro admixture people live there (Tuaregs) and they still speak a form of Berber language.

Also during the Punic Wars. Livy described the Numidians as "darker than normal". Which would be weird seeing as how Romans knew what Semites and Arabs looked like. Also North Africa and Southern Europe share the same mediterranean climate, unless the North Africans used Bronzer back then.

Hannibal probably wasn't even black, but there were people living in Carthage/Numidia that were black/sub-saharan and When Rome took over Carthage they worked as Soldiers for the Roman Army and stole their gold and exotic pets, which they later ending up using for the "Damnatio ad bestias" in the Colosseum. Unless there were Sub-Saharan Jungles in Europe at that time in which Leopards/African Lions are native to.

>>3129241
>Unless Phoenicians fucked each other for 600 years
what exactly is wrong with this?
it's not like there was dozen of them

>>3129241
You have no idea what you're talking about.
>kingdoms like Mali/Ghana/Songhai
These places wouldn't exist for over 1000 years after Carthage had been destroyed.

I'm inclined to guess you don't know anything about African history and you're just jumbling up a bunch of factoids you've read somewhere without really understanding them.

And it frustrates me to no end that someone will read the nonsense you just wrote and respond to it seriously.

>>3127530
How the hell this shitpost can get so many replies....fucking pathetic....

>>3129241
>Mali/Ghana/Songhai
>contemporary to Carthage and the Numidians
The absolute fucking state of /his/

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>>3129241
> Sometime around 814 BC Phoenicians migrated from Phoenicia (which is modern day Israel/Lebanon) to North Africa by use the mediterranean sea. So they were semites. Yeah sure.

> Hannibal Barca was born in 247 BC. Unless Phoenicians fucked each other for 600 years, then there is a possibility that Hannibal Barca looked like a Jew, but we know that this isn't true. Here is why...

> The people of Carthage formed a relationship with the Berbers/Numidians. Hannibal's brother-in-law was a Numidian king and we also know that Berbers were already diverse group. The Maghreb Berbers traveled to South of the Sahara with the use of Camels and would trade with West African kings all the time.

> Numidians and Carthaginians got Gold, African Bush Elephants, Ivory/Elephant Tusk, Lions, Leopard Skin and West African Slaves from kingdoms like Mali/Ghana/Songhai. (Shit you only could have gotten from West Africa at the time)

> Mauritania, Mali and Niger are "Sub-Saharan" countries, but today we know that Arab-Afro admixture people live there (Tuaregs) and they still speak a form of Berber language.

> Also during the Punic Wars. Livy described the Numidians as "darker than normal". Which would be weird seeing as how Romans knew what Semites and Arabs looked like. Also North Africa and Southern Europe share the same mediterranean climate, unless the North Africans used Bronzer back then.

> Hannibal probably wasn't even black, but there were people living in Carthage/Numidia that were black/sub-saharan and When Rome took over Carthage they worked as Soldiers for the Roman Army and stole their gold and exotic pets, which they later ending up using for the "Damnatio ad bestias" in the Colosseum. Unless there were Sub-Saharan Jungles in Europe at that time in which Leopards/African Lions are native to.

>>3129241
>Numidians and Carthaginians got Gold, African Bush Elephants, Ivory/Elephant Tusk, Lions, Leopard Skin and West African Slaves from kingdoms like Mali/Ghana/Songhai.
Holy shit you're fucking retarded

Yeah dude, Carthage got ivory from Mali. That's the equivalent of saying the ancient Britons got gold from the Ottoman Empire.

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>>3129241
>The people of Carthage formed a relationship with the Berbers/Numidians. Hannibal's brother-in-law was a Numidian king and we also know that Berbers were already diverse group. The Maghreb Berbers traveled to South of the Sahara with the use of Camels and would trade with West African kings all the time.
Litteraly every antic representation of the berbers, be it by the roman or the egyptians or the arabs show them as caucasians/whites.

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>>3129241
Darker than normal could mean they looked more like tuareg. If they had had west african facial features, someone would have mentionned it.
The Berber on the other hand haven't changed too much throughout the ages to my knowledge. If anything they were arabized by the muslim conquest, but they never had a particularly dark complexion.

>>3129070
the egyptians are the ones in the right, the 2 whites are the Levantines and Berbers (dunno the order)

>>3129304
*is the one on the right

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>>3129304
The berber is the one with the tats

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>>3127632
>yo he's called africanus
>he a woke negro

>not knowing 'africa' originally applied solely to a region inhabited by folk who looked like [pic related]

>>3129326
that's cool, the iberians shouldn't have stopped the Reconquista at Andalusia

>>3129356
Indeed. Nobody would notice the difference.

>>3129297
It also implies a direct contact with West Africa that didn't really exist. Goods from West Africa existing in the Mediterranean does not mean West African traders were operating in the Mediterranean (or vice versa).

>>3127530
>Chirho on his helmet
kekeroo

>>3129364
lel. It's funny because it's true. I've been to Andulusia a couple times, and it is quite a beautiful area. But a lot of people do look like they could be Arabs, dark tanned skin, thick unibrows, hairy arms, etc.

The pale fat British sun-baked manatees in the retirement/golf resorts make large parts of the coasts pretty avoidable, but inland is pretty deserted away from Granada, Cordoba or Seville (which nonetheless are beautiful and fun cities). Great hiking territory, if you just avoid high summer.

>>3129345
Ironically this was drawn by Egyptians, but I thought that's how Egyptians were supposed to look. How did Egyptians get a "tan" but those people didn't?

>>3129527
the Berbers were completely isolated from the Subsaharans because of the Sahara desert, meanwhile the Nile reaches Kenya

>>3129356
They did try to invade the maghreb but they were stoped by the berber warrior and his buddy the turkish warrior.

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>>3129527
>brown skin means you're a negro
Pic related is a t*scanian (central Italy) and he's brown due to his etruscan blood.

>>3129551
the Berbers gave up fighting the eternal arab, sad!

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>>3129557
His wife btw

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>>3129557
>Italians
>white

And by that standard pale skin=/=germanoid
Pic related is an "African-American".

>>3129562
No need to fight a force you can join habibi

>>3129142
Yes, they were.
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>>3129226
Why are you posting pictures of common shitty folk after Romans already mixed with swarthy trash of Europe?

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>>3129557
>and he's brown due to his etruscan blood.
Exactly.
Latin Indo-European elite was white, before they've mixed with natives of Italy.

Augustus would look like a Central European tourist if he was in Italy right now.

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>>3129617
>he believes le ancient romans were nordic icelandic hyperboreans meme
Yeah dude. Ancient americans were 2.50m tall thulean hyperboreans as well

>>3129625
The fuck is your problem, you butthurt autist?
Read my posts again before you get another spastic atacks, you dumb cunt.

It has nothing to do with Nordics, but lighter pigmentation of the Romans compared to Etruscans.

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>>3129621
WE

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>>3129634
Do you have ants in your ass, nigga? Because you seem anxious

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>>3129638
WUZ

>>3129621
>>3129638
I swear, the people trying to pull this "Rome was white" bullshit isn't snowniggers but """""""""snowniggers""""""""""", the kind of Americans whose grandfathers uncles grandmother once had a sister who got fucked by a guy called Jens or Sven so now they're 100% pure Danish viking.

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Debate is over

>>3127530
> /pol/
No
> why
Because modern liberal narrative blacking history on obvious purpose thus can't be trusted.

>>3129638
>>3129654
>>3129666
What do we understand by white in this context, really?
these pictures contain what I would call derogatory depictions of Germans/Nordics, which every fucking body knows Romans were neither of, since they were Latins, a completely different branch of Caucasoids. Blonde hair and blue eyes were almost unheard of, but they were still by sweeping definition more than white enough to not be confused with subsaharan africans or something.
But who is really wewuzing who here now?

>>3129557
I can't believe how much he's posted. HE'S GOT AN ARTIFICIAL TAN YOU RETARDS,,,,,

>>3129621
Except that's not true because Augustus was a proud black man of color of KEMETian extraction

Augustus means "black man like the universe" because the ancient (black) emperors of Rome (KEMET) were syncronised in harmony with the universe which is also black

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>>3129707
No, he's even niggerer when tanned.

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>>3129703
One drop rule= not white.

>>3129718
ok

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>>3129718
Like all americans?

>>3129718
fuck off amerifat

>>3127530
>Black guy playing Hannibal
>Roman symbols on Helmet
>Leather armor

Can someone please nuke USA?

>>3129733
America sets the race policy for the whole world.

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Reminder ANGLOS consider white's to be pale blue eyes and blonde hair is not important.
"Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind." -Ben Franklin
Fuck brits and fuck dumb americucks.

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>>3129266
>>3129273
>>3129285
I'm not insinuating that this is what these kingdoms were called, I'm just giving a basis of the geographic location and Obviously there would be no written history of BC West Africa and It was just seen labelled as "Nok Culture" later on by Arcaeologist.

I guess the Carthaginians, who were known for their Merchant behaviour marched down past the Sahara, tamed wild elephants, wild lions, leopards by themselves, mined for gold and other metals in the West/Central Africa while Sub-Saharan Africans stayed in their huts doing nothing sounds more comforting as a racist.

>>3129297
Ahh yes, Artist don't make their art to look more resembling to them.

>>3129303
Tuaregs are Berbers mixed with Sub-Saharan african you dipshit.

>>3129411
Unfortunatly Trans-Saharan Trade did happen.

If Berbers/Cathargians could travel all the way to the Ivory Coast and the center of the Congo why didn't they just Conquer it?

>>3129735
I remember watching a discovery kids tier show for children in the 90s that represented Pasteur's life and his discovery and the guy playing him was an asian (or at least very chinese looking)

Weird because the other actors were white

>>3129764
Phoenicians never mined shit in West or Central Africa, their westernmost colonies were in modern day morocco

>>3129764
>Unfortunatly Trans-Saharan Trade did happen
It did, but that doesn't imply that it was only the ends of the routes that did the trading. It's much more likely that goods changed hands several times over the course of their journey along the trade routes. You find Indian goods in 9th Century Northern Europe but that doesn't mean there were Indian merchants in Hedeby

>>3127705
>Hispanic
Be careful with that word, Ameritards may think you mean Mexican

>>3127530
Because /pol/ refuses to accept the idea that countries were ever multi-ethnic unless they were abysmal failures.

>>3129775
Okay so if Phoenicians/Carthaginians never the mined the gold. Where did they get it from? They had to come in contact from Sub-Saharan Africans?

Where did Hannibal get his Elephants from as well? Elephants aren't native to Europe. Where did Romans get the exotic animals used for the Colosseum?

>>3129833
West Africans their sold own as slaves. The blacks that lived in Carthage were slaves, they weren't Merchants. They worked for Rome as soldiers after they Carthage was destroyed and was given partial citizenship.

>>3129913
>Where did Hannibal get his Elephants from as well?
He got them from ancient chinese (black) merchants who were black (KEMET) as well

>>3129913
>Where did Hannibal get his Elephants from as well? Elephants aren't native to Europe. Where did Romans get the exotic animals used for the Colosseum?
North Africa, you utter dipshit.

The elephants the Carthaginians used were probably Asian elephants. North African forest elephants are too small and Bush elephants are too big and aggressive.

>>3129916
>being this jealous of black people.

>>3129764
There were elephants, lions and leopards in north Africa in those days. Heck, there were lions in Europe.

>>3129934
>black people
Ancient blacks were actually black (KEMET). They were black until the african (black) man came and destroyed the evidence of ancient KEMETian blacks. That's why Africa is black nowadays, despite being originally black (KEMET).

>>3129703
>Blonde hair and blue eyes were almost unheard of
And yet >>3129042

Why do people with no comparative history have to constantly make threads appropriating other people's achievements? Do they think Copts, Tunisians and Moroccans sprang from the ground, taking their seat in some brief absence when they went to the bathroom? Probably.

More to the point, they must inject themselves, by some tenuous, imagined relation, into a culture and people that aren't their own, proving before everyone their and their culture's inferiority and lack of accomplishment.

>>3129916
>>3129923
The Elephants are described to have large ears and giant tusk. (African Bush Elephants). Asian Elephants have small tusk or no tusk at all, why would Hannibal travel all the way India/SouthEastAsia just to get Tuskless """War""" Elephants and then go back to North Africa to plan his attack on Rome through Iberian Peninsula, The French Alps and then to Italy?

>>3129943
North Africa is literally just a fucking Desert. Mammals need water, any mammals that live are lived in this area today aren't native from this environment, not even humans. Any Mammal living in this area has migrated there, including humans.

There is an abundance of wild lions, leopards and elephants currently living in Sub-Saharan africa scattered all over the African Savannah Grasslands today.

And those European Cave Lions went extinct way before the Colosseum was built. The lions in all ancient depictions have manes. Which means that they're Native African Lions.

>>3130157
>North Africa is literally just a fucking Desert.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>3130157
>North Africa is literally just a fucking Desert
you need to go back

>>3127669
>>3128235
>>3129122
>>3129222
>>3129345
None of you know who Scipio Africanus is I guess...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scipio_Africanus_(slave)

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>>3130157
>North Africa is literally just a fucking Desert
Fuck off brainlet

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>>3130134
>Copts, Tunisians and Moroccans
Did you forget about the Caliphates and Arabization of North Africa and even to the Iberian Peninsula? Did you think that these people living in North Africa today always spoke Arabic and followed a meme religion that just popped up in the 7th century like Islam?

>>3130235
>>3130238
>>3130292
Damn y'all white bois finna be mad as fuck. Most of Sahara Desert covers North Africa.

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>>3130157
(You)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_lion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_African_elephant

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>>3130304
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_North_Africa
Please be bait

>>3130280
we do, the guy who that nigra is named after for some fucked up reason

I'm Nero Claudius Drusus by the way.
Ceterum censeo germaniam esse delendam.

>>3130304
>finna
this isn't even English

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>>3130306
>Linking Wikipedia as a source
>Source has 5 citations
>Both animals look exactly like the Sub Saharan """counterparts"""
>Both animals become """Extinct""" in North Africa

Even in the Wikipedia Page they say that Barbary Lions are to share the same DNA as West and Central Lions. Meaning that's where they originally came from.

>>3130317
>Wikipedia as source
Please be bait

>>3130327
finna kys

>>3130338
Wow, so you list the Northern Maghreb Coast which had the Berber tribes such as (Maurecia, East/West Numidia and Carthage).

These same Berber Tribes that traveled south of the Sahara and traded with West Africans.

I don't even give a shit about this proxy debate about Lions and Elephants. I know for a fact that Gold doesn't come from the Maghreb and there were no gold mines in Europe during that time and even today West Africa/Central Africa is still the largest Gold producers today.

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>>3130419
>being this delusional

>>3130419
>americans

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>>3130430
>>3130440
>Using meme replies

Why did Gold come from during the time of Ancient Rome?

Also look at this %100 Asiatic Tuareg-Berbers with absolutely zero Sub-Saharan DNA in them. All North Africans, don't have any Sub-Saharan DNA in them haha and Nubians never lived in Egypt xD...

WEWUZKANGS XD

>>3130468
Here is your goldmine ameritard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Médulas

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>>3130419
>These same Berber Tribes that traveled south of the Sahara and traded with West Africans
Do you have any proof for that appart from your wrong supposition that there was no goldmines in the roman empire?

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>>3130481
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Médulas
>Wikipedia
>Large-scale production did not begin until the second half of the 1st century AD
>77 AD

Oh boy, I'm laughing. Carthage had access to gold dating back to at least 3 centuries prior to that.

Pick related is another %100 Arabized-Berber with absolutely ZERO Sub-Saharan DNA

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>>3130534
The point, you fucking autist is that contrary to what you said goldmines did exist in Europe, so you don't need to make up some imaginary trade route to west africa to explain how Carthage and Rome could have gold.

Yes berbers from Sahara have subsaharan admixture, but guess what : Sahara was never a part of the roman empire and there is no source about saharan berbers having any contact with mediteraneans duting antiquity.

>>3130534
Subsaharan is a very flawed and essentially racialized concept designed to divide Africans. While there are differences by regions, it is a gradient rather than an abrupt and stark contrast like what is implied by eurocentrists.

It is similar to if Europe was divided with a term like subalpine. Remember, these are the same people that use to classify Europe and Asia as two separate continents, because of their racial insecurities, so history has shown they are clearly not above allowing their insecurities to taint what they attempt to put forth as "objective".

>>3130534
Also pic related is probably descended from subsaharan slaves, not saharan berbers.

>>3130618
How would you know that?

>>3127705
Hadrian and Trajan were born in Italica, which is quite telling of their ancestry.
Marcus Aurelius I think descended from a gaulish family that married into roman nobility
But Spain had indeed many senatorial families

>>3130626
I do know that there is a large community of black descended from slaves in Morrocco, and he looks full west african.
What made you think he was berber? Oh yeah you made it up like every thing else.

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>>3130640
There was a massive slave trade of white people, particularly women for quite a while. So many of the lighter Moroccans could very well also be descendants of slaves.

>>3130606
>Subsaharan is a very flawed and essentially racialized concept designed to divide Africans.
Wrong. The Divisions always existed and speak for themselves.
>While there are differences by regions, it is a gradient rather than an abrupt and stark contrast like what is implied by eurocentrists.
It may as well be another world. Southern Europe has more in common with North Africa than North Africa has with Sub-Saharan Africa
>It is similar to if Europe was divided with a term like subalpine.
Europe is divided into multiple regions, including Southern European. It generally includes the Iberian Peninsula, Occitania, Italy, The Balkans and outlining islands. It is sub-alpine and Southern Apline
>Remember, these are the same people that use to classify Europe and Asia as two separate continents, because of their racial insecurities
It was Herodotus who first mentions the division of Europe and Asia in 500 BC, he claims it's old and doesn't even know why it's like that. Only that it's like that. It has nothing to do with race.
>so history has shown they are clearly not above allowing their insecurities to taint what they attempt to put forth as "objective".
The only people doing itt are Blacks.

>>3128041
If you were to ask ANYONE to group these four depictions in two groups, they would 100% of the times group the they Egyptian with the Nubian

>>3130674
There is a region between the most northern parts of Africa, and the jungle. It is called the Sahel. It is a transition zone and has always existed.

>>3129042
Nobody cares.

>>3129841
¡Órale fuimos Romanos y mierda ese!

>>3129042
>18 Romans were fair featured
>Therefore the entire race was lighter
You can find 18 fair Romans today, I guarantee.

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>>3129715
That, and he worshipped Grimace, god of death.

>>3130728
That's the case but it doesn't change anything. Northern Africa is Eurasian aligned.

>>3130668
no basis for your claim as usual.

>>3127530
lived there and being part of the roman people are two different things. DNA testing will tell us what part of Africa you came from. It wont tell us what part of Europe you came from because your not European.

>>3129070
That's a Berber

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>>3130600
>you said goldmines did exist in Europe

I said AT THAT TIME. Carthage was rising and selling shit since 814 BC until their demise at the end of the third Punic War ended tha was in 146 BC.

Carthage did not get their Gold resources from that tiny little place in Spain, nor did they ever Colonise that nothern part of Iberia. The entire European continent was/is still the lowest supplier of Gold in the world. Stop cherry picking. Europeans literally sailed across the Atlantic in hopes to get to Asia for Gold but came across two entire continents.

Literally just google "Early trans-Saharan trade" you fucking retard and cool it down with those fucking anime pictures.

>>3130618
I'm not even arguing that. I'm even agree with that. It's just that dumb /pol/ fucks think that Sub-Saharan africans never interacted with people North Africa despite the evidence.

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>>3131023
> Europeans literally sailed across the Atlantic in hopes to get to Asia for Gold but came across two entire continents.
>to get to Asia for Gold but
>for Gold

Do you have any idea why Spain and Portugal paid people to sail to the Indies? To subvert the Muslim empires of the Near East and get in-demand material at a fraction of the cost. They had absolutely no expectation that there would be mountains of gold mines in the Indies. They were after shorter trade routes that didn't have to go through the Muslim world.

The expectation for finding gold came AFTER they found the Americas and saw the ridiculously rich wealth of gold and silver there.

Also, for anyone wondering. Hannibal wasn't black. Don't believe what everyone says. Pic related.

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>>3131333
Listen here you dipshit, at the time of Columbus. The Ottoman Turks controlled a lot of shit, pic related.

At that time The Silk Road trade was going on between all the nations spanning all the way from China to the Middle East, To get to the middle east as a European you would have to get past The Ottoman Turks. The Ottomans were Muslim and if you were Christfags like Spain/Portugal they would *blocks your path*.

Spain/Portugal wanted to spread Christfaggotry through Asia so they could help combat the Ottomans, yes, but they had ulterior motives. They also wanted Gold, Spices and Land (through Colonization, which they eventually did) They didn't want to peacefully work with them and we saw what their true intentions were by what happened to the Native Americans.

>>3131488
Is this bad bait or are you tripping acid? he said that that Spanish and Portuguese were looking for shorter trade routes to India to bypass he Muslim shitpiers. Why'd you spend so much time explaining what he just said? He never mentioned anything about Christianity, which makes your statement
>Spain/Portugal wanted to spread Christfaggotry through Asia so they could help combat the Ottomans, yes, but they had ulterior motives.
Baffling. No one said that.
>They didn't want to peacefully work with them
Columbus and his crew were literal tough guy sailors taking a risk. Not diplomatic emissaries expecting to find primitive people.
>and we saw what their true intentions were by what happened to the Native Americans.
Disease killed 90% of them? Only God intended that, no one else could have prevented it.

>>3131518
Don't ever reply to me again.

>>3130745
>1 nigger was a slave in Rome
>therefore Hannibal was black

>>3127705
They were Romans from Roman colonies in Hispania, they were not HISPANICS.

>>3129741
No one follows the American race policy except for Americans.

>>3129562
They tried to rebel and resist, but they were goat farmers versus the Evil Empire. They had aggressive Bedouin settlers imported, whose job was to rove around and convert or kill the Berbers. It also had to effect of turning a productive long-time agricultural society into desert nomads (just like the Bedouin).

>>3127530
Because they are ignorant, btw I was a /pol/ak once not anymore.

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>>3127539
>Illyrians didn't do shit
>Forgetting about the man who saved the fucking Empire

Kill yourself my dude

>>3129666
yeah true, only americans are obsesed with this "x wuz white n shiet" or "y wuz black n shieet"

scandinavians and germans are usually historically literate not obsessed with american race retardations

there are exepctions obviously, like Varg Vikernes, but most of his admirers are americans anyway

>>3127539
literally the entire military command of the 3rd century through the Constantinian dynasty was entirely made up of Illyrian and Pannonian generals born and raised on the Danube.

>>3132237
All black people the world over get called African Americans.

>>3132834
Only by idiots.

>>3130419
You should have admitted you were wrong about the elephants, now you just look like a doofus grasping for straws.

>there were no gold mines in Europe during that time

You really, really, need to stop, not because this is irrelevant, but because such an incorrect assertion shows you don't have enough knowledge of the topic to act like the big fucking authority superior to wikipedia on the matter at hand.

>>3130468
Yes those are Tuareg, well done, your point? How many Tuareg live north of the Atlas?

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>>3132948
>>there were no gold mines in Europe during that time
>because this is irrelevant
Then where did Romans get their gold from you dipshit answer that fucking question? The point I'm trying to make here is that they had contact with Sub-Saharan Africa.

Here's a fucking Wikipedia link for you as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Sub-Saharan_Africa

>>3132965
Tuaregs/Afro-Berbers lived in Mauretania/Carthage/North Africa you dipshit, which is part of rome. I'm not even trying to say that they lived all the fucking way up in Sweden back then. I'm just saying that they were apart of the Roman Empire.

>>3133042
>Then where did Romans get their gold from you dipshit answer that fucking question?

The Celts would be one example of places they would get gold from, as they had dozens of mines in Gaul for example.

ex: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-94-015-1292-3_15


Later on they would open their huge mining complexes throughout Europe as an anon mentionned.

Of course they would have got some gold from subsaharan trade networks, where have you seen anyone denying that?

>Tuaregs/Afro-Berbers lived in Mauretania/Carthage/North Africa you dipshit, which is part of rome.

Mauretania/Carthage/North Africa is not a unified place. The people living north and south of the Atlas range are not that similar. Tuaregs live in the mid Atlas and South of it, unmixed Berbers and Kabyles would have lived in the northern ranges and on the plains, with the Phoenicians and later the Romans.

Once again, no one is denying there would have been Tuaregs and Afro-Berbers in the Carthaginian allied states or in the Roman Empire, just that they were a fringe group, and the probability of Hannibal being any darker than a modern day Kabyle or Levantine person would be very low.

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>>3133080
Of course they would have got some gold from sub saharan trade networks, where have you seen anyone denying that?

See >>3129411

>Once again, no one is denying there would have been Tuaregs and Afro-Berbers in the Carthaginian allied states or in the Roman Empire, just that they were a fringe group, and the probability of Hannibal being any darker than a modern day Kabyle or Levantine person would be very low.

I literally said that Hannibal probably didn't even have any Sub-Saharan in him and that the percentage of Sub-Saharans living in North Africa were probably small. I'm just saying that people that there were Sub-Saharans had lived in North Africa. We know that Carthage sold Gold, Iron, Ivory, Saharan Slaves at their ports and they had to cross the Sahara to get most of these Items. Even today North Africans have some percentage of Sub-Saharan in them and even today people living in the Countries between the Sahel such as Mauritania, Northern Mali, Northern Niger, Northern Chad, Fezzan Libya, Sudan are Mixed Race of Sub-Saharan/Arab-Berber.

The entire argument is that Black People/Sub-Saharan Africans lived in the Roman Empire. People are literally going out of their way to be racist and try to disprove that and end up

>>3129081
Why are /leftypol/ memes so embarrassing?

>>3134732
t. wir war Romans

>>3127539
>basques didn't do shit
Basque mercs did plenty, including guarding Hadrian's Wall...

>>3134732
damn whiteboi u mad AF

>>3134892
But we were.

>>3127705
>Im-fucking-plying
DIFFERENT ETHNICITY AT THAT TIME. Spain at that time spoke Aquitanian (related to Basque) and there was another Basque ethnic group known as the Vascones. There were Celtic groups in Spain. The emperors would probably look like a mix of Basque and Northern Italians.

Spain got moor admixture in the 760s.

>>3134732
just coz its not pro /pol/ does not mean its /eftypol/ mate

>>3136828
Germanic tribes killed and breeded out the Latins.

Why are /pol/tards so obsessed with black people?

>>3127705
>Hispanic
Be careful with that word, a butthurt Eurocuck might think that an American may think you mean Mexican

Why do /pol/ ignore the Trans-Saharan Trade?

>>3139892
Back to work El Trajo, walls ain't gonna build themselves

>>3140318
You first have to be knowledgable of something to ignore it.

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>>3139714
Jealous

>>3129879
*Ding* We have a winner.

>>3140791

Not even remotely. xD

>>3127824
His is Pol with dates and we own this site. Cry all you want libshit.

>>3127978
They have no history.

>>3127998
white american ancestors came from lands that were developed in the roman empire. They literally are descendants of Romans.

>>3127618
Most were slaves.

>>3129241
Phonecians migrated to Carthage constantly. So yes they did fuck each other.

There were not Negros north of the Sahara.

>Hannibal probably wasn't even black.

No shit he wasn't black. Only blacks in Carthage were most likley slaves or low class workers.

>>3129273
>>3129266
Lefty pol raid I guess. OR that "one drop rule" guy posting again.