Is Islamic scripture inherently more restrictive on women than

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>>3123661
It is less restrictive as islam gives to women rights of succession, the right to refuse a pretendant and the right to divorce under certain conditions.

>b-but muh stoning
Stoning is a semitic tradition that arabs already practiced before islam, and it is not even in the quran. It also target men as well as women so it is not even sexist.

>>3123661

Significantly more restrictive, modern treatment of women in Arab countries is actually far milder than the Koran requires.

>>3123678
>right to divorce under certain conditions.

Those conditions being, when her husband allows her to. WOW SO LIBERATE!

>>3123661

I would be curious to compare women's rights in Islamc to those in Orthodox christianity, anyone know anything about that? Google gives me shit.

>>3123697
No, she can divorce freely if she gives back the endowment, and she can divorce while keeping the endowment if her husband has wronged her

>>3123723
So...The men pay the dowry?

This looks a lot like Roman divorce law with genders swapped.

>>3123661
>Is Islamic scripture inherently more restrictive on women than the other Abrahamic faiths
No. Stoning people to death, underage marriage, and forbidding people to eat Pork are all in the Bible. Muslims are just not hypocrites and still actually follow what their holy book says. Hell, even Sharia law isn't something that is unique to Islam. Jewish Halakha law is just as restrictive if not even more than Sharia law. Everything that exists in Islam is standard Abrahamic tradition and values. The only difference is that Christians and Jews have stopped following what their holy book says, while Muslims.

>>3124046
Didn't.*

Depends.

Orthodox Jewish law contains a section called tzinua (modesty). In general, the laws are:

>women must not expose her forearms or legs (i.e. long dresses with long sleeves)
>women should not wear anything that shows curves (i.e. no pants or tight shirts)
>women need to cover their hairy (but there's a caveat, in Ashkenazi communities it's only once the woman marries and in Sephardi/Mizrahi communities, it's for her entire adult life)
>head coverings for women in Ashkenazi communities can include wigs
>in Sephardi and Mizrahi homes, this means mitpachat (scarf), rhedeed (hijab), or some veil

In Muslim communities, it's generally seen that a woman should not be unaccompanied. This was the norm in Jewish practice for a good while, but there are many practical instances where this is obviously not the case. These exceptions defined the norm for a woman's place in public. A Jewish woman can, as a pious person, be out in public without a chaperone.

So eh, pick your poison.

>>3124046
You do realize that no one actually agrees 100% on what Sharia Law is?

>>3123661
Islam is not necessarily more restricting than other Abrahamic faiths, more-so, it is the way it can be interpreted and understood, especially with the hadiths and the more ideological and legalistic nature of Islam's rise in comparison to the rise of Christianity, making it more literalistic and leading to more oppressive appearances in modern society.

>>3124046
I'd like to see the Bible extract that allows child marriage.

>>3124529
The Muslims can't agree 100% on anything, hence the reason why there will always be wars and violence in the middle east. As for the religion itself, I don't like it as much as Judaism , they both suck

>>3123661
Why do muslims worship a word?

>>3124559

Abject rubbish. The Koran is explicit in the low status of women, such as the fact that they are "half a man" for legal reasons, and the fact that muslim men are OBLIGED to beat their wives, and the fact that muslim women are not permitted to be seen in public without a male chaperone. While it's true that all Jew religions are anti-female, Islam takes this to an extreme not seen in Kikeanity or Judaism.

>>3124572
Mary was 14 when she married Joseph.

>>3124591
The Koran, in totality is not to any significant extent worse than others, you could even simply state that it was pulled from local Arabian culture, further, as if this is quantifiable.
But, in the end, am i going to take the opinion of someone who uses a term like "Kikeanity" without enough salt to recreate the Dead Sea, no, probably not.

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ya sure

>>3124636

You've obviously never read the Koran, and probably never even read the Bible. You're mouthing propaganda and you don't even realize it.

>>3124615
Thanks, some even seem to say age 12! Religion comes at you fast!

>>3123661
More restricitve than in Christianity but less restrictive than in Judaism

>>3124650
Your proof of this? Whose propaganda? AND I don't realise it, oh how convenient, take your baseless platitudes somewhere else please.

>>3124645
Holy shit. Those two dudes in the back look stylish as fuck.

>>3124651
What's your point? The typical age of marriage at the time was 12-14.

>>3124673
Just that, it generally never occurs to you the age of Mary since she's always portrayed as a woman, i guess nativity plays at primary school are more accurate than they seem. =]

>>3124672
The guy on the right is pissed at something ahha

>>3124667

Proof that you haven't read the Koran? Your posts make it obvious.

>>3124572
There are extracts that allow sexual enslavement of children. There are also no extracts that say that marriageable age should exist, which means that neither the Old nor the New Testaments prohibit child marriage.

>>3124690
In what way?

>>3124591
>muslim men are OBLIGED to beat their wives

Top kek. I support ISIS, but that's simply not true.

>>3124691
This desu
Islam don't give a number but it forbid sex with prepubecent childs

>>3124704
Not gonna lie, former Trump voter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Trump crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes.

>>3124704
>ar-rijālu qawwamūna ʿala -n-nisāʾi bimā faḍḍala - llāhu baʿḏahum ʿala baʿḍin wa bimā ʾanfaqū min ʾamwālihim fa-ṣ-ṣāliḥātu qānitātun ḥāfiẓātun l-il-ghaybi bimā ḥafiẓa -llāhu wa-l-lātī takhāfūna nushūzahunna fa-ʿiẓūhunna w-ahjurūhunna fi-l-maḍājiʿ w-aḍribūhunna fa ʾin ʾaṭaʿnakum falā tabghū ʿalayhinna sabīlan ʾinna -llāha kāna ʿalīyyan kabīran

Straight from the Holy Koran. I await your rebuttal.

Is it true that many of the more repressive strictures on women come from the Hadith or other texts written by Muhammad's companions, rather than the Koran?

>>3125113

Not really. Women being half a man is straight from the Koran, as is the tolerance of wife-beating and the many legal restrictions on women. OTOH, the Koran merely commands that women (and men) dress "modestly", the wearing of sacks by women is purely cultural and from the hadiths.

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>>3125113
By the way if you are gonna reference Hadith please have it be the Bukhari and Muslim Hadith, a lot are unreliable and a lot of the time early Muslims just making shit up

>>3124705
>Islam don't give a number but it forbid sex with prepubecent childs
Where? I have not seen anything clearly saying that. And assuming the Aisha story is true, that would contradict.

>>3123678
>as islam gives to women rights of succession, the right to refuse a pretendant and the right to divorce under certain conditions.
None of this is exclusive to Islam.

>>33125425
The hadiths saying that Aisha was 9 or 10 or 16 when her marriage was consumed also says that she was pubescent, the marriage took place three years sooner when she was 6 or 7 or 13.

>>3125147

All hadith are unreliable, typically they are fifth, sixth or even seventh hand.

>>3124756
Wrong thread? That's a little off topic

>>3125425
>>3124705

This is simply a lie, there is NO age of consent in Islam, the only thing that comes close is that if your wife is too young to be able to take your cock without harm, then you have to satisfy yourself by fucking her in the ass or jerking yourself off "between her thighs".

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>>3125547
Nice memes brainlet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_sexual_jurisprudence#Puberty

>>3125540
It's a meme you dip

>>3125556
>For example, in issues pertaining to marriage, baligh is related to the Arabic legal expression, hatta tutiqa'l-rijal, which means that a wedding may not take place until the girl is physically fit to engage in sexual intercourse. In comparison, baligh or balaghat concerns the reaching of sexual maturity which becomes manifest by the menses.

Did you even read your own source you stupid faggot? Literally BTFO by your own citation, what a dope!

>>3125568
What the fuck are you talking about you retard?

>>3125586
>physically fit to engage in sexual intercourse

NOT "puberty", but rather EXACTLY what I said here >>3125547

>>3125630
>american reading skills
Fuck off my board brainlet

>>3125540
are you retarded of we have to explain you the irony?

>>3125547
>trusting abu dawud thighting hadith
>not even sahih
>The same guy who said There is no prescribed punishment for one who has sexual intercourse with an animal.
Sunan Abu Dawud 38:4450
>the he goes "If anyone has sexual intercourse with an animal, kill him and kill it along with him"

>there is no age of consent

Unless you buy into memri tv memes,all scholars agree that the age of consent for girls and boys is puberty

>in the case of those of your wives past the age of menstruation, if you have any doubt, their waiting period should be three months, and that also applies to those who never menstruate. The time for women who are pregnant is when they give birth. Whoever has fear of Allah - He will make matters easy for him." (Qur'an 65:4)

>believing anal is halal

Dey good boys dey gettin dere dogma on track

>>3123678
Ur imag fuked

>>3124685
>the age of Mary
She'd be older than 12 when she gave birth to Jesus.

>>3124046
those things are indeed in the bible yes, but the bible has the new testament which undoes that. Jesus actively went against such laws.

>>3126963
Love how some scholars have had to pull the "pubescence comes earlier in warm climates" excuse to justify Aisha's age at the time of her first sexual encounter (rape?) because of this.

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>>3127967
There is nothing to justifie, 10 years old is a normal age to be pubescent.

>>3123711
It's definitely worse in Islam.

>>3124615
And still got cucked by "an angel". That must suck, her never even got to pop her cherry.

>>3124787
>Ibn 'Abbas, a companion of the Prophet, is recorded in the Tafsir of al-Tabari for verse 4:34 as saying that beating without severity is using a siwak (toothbrush) or some such thing.

The root used in this verse is 'daraba,' as in "adribuhunna," refers to the practice of Muslims and early Arabs tapping their spouses lightly thrice to signify that divorce is the next step should all else fail to maintain the marriage.

>The book "Woman in the Shade of Islam by Saudi scholar Abdul Rahman al-Sheha stated that a man may "beat" his wife only if it occurs without "hurting, breaking a bone, leaving blue or black marks on the body and avoiding hitting the face, at any cost."

>>3125128
Woman being "half a man" is only in two situations Quranically: testimony regarding a financial contract and inheritance.

On the former, scholarly consensus states that women with experience in finance would outweigh/be equal to the testimony of a man doing the same without experience or with. Otherwise, in criminal proceedings, her testimony is equal to a man's.

On the latter, inheritance goes more to the (firstborn) son as he is meant to be the caretaker of the entire family, and the woman is generally married to someone who is required by Islamic law to care for her financially, emotionally, etc.

An interesting side note: Islamically, all of a man's earnings belong to his family, whereas the wife has full rights to her own earnings to do with as she pleases.

>>3127967
There's an argument to be had regarding Aisha's age being warped in the traditions.

There's a discrepancy between her age and her sisters age. Her sister, Asma, died 73 years after the hijra at age 100 yrs., and she was 10 years older than Aisha, who consummated her marriage after hijra.

With all this we can speculate that she was 15-16 when she married. Plus, bear in mind she was engaged for a bit to another man (but never consummated), was accused of adultery by the Shia, etc. It's certainly enough to raise a question.

But, if it was after her puberty, her father and herself were fine with it, and it was the cultural norm, it doesn't really matter. Not even the most fervent of critics criticized Muhammad for this until recent times.