I'll try to answer your questions about muh country's

Why is your countries history full of killing others?

>>3118797
Why didn't the Ottoman empire conquer the rest of Europe? Did they fear the christian warrior?

>>3118825
The Turks were pretty much a warrior people, and it was combined with jihad culture after 10th century.
>>3118831
Well actually they didn't have the resources for that but Mehmed II tried to conquer Italy then he suddenly died in his tent.

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>>3118797
Why do people feel the need to LARP as Turks either here, /int/ or /pol/ and shitpost just to give you guys a even worse rep than you already have?

>>3118847
>LARP
i'm sorry but whoever uses that word is always an underage.
you have to be over 18 to post here.

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>>3118797
Tell me about based maghrebi pirates

İttihad mı Abdulhamid mi?

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>>3118857
>he doesn't LARP
r/History

>>3118863
Basically marine version of Turks. They raided a lot of ports, coastal cities and christian ships. Instead of killing them, Ottomans kept them as vassals.
>>3118867
yaşasın hürriyet kahrolsun istibdat

Why do you play yourselves off as le poor, brown victims when you were the conquerors of white peoples for centuries?

>>3118797
Why were the köçekler so popular, far more so than actual women dancing/stripping?

>>3118870
balkan savaşı niye kaybedildi?

>>3118879
Osmanlı ordusunun kalitesizliği
>>3118873
It's a part of our Iranian culture, see Bacha Bazi. It was also common among Central Asians till Russians told them to stop. Afghans still love Bacha Bazı.

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>>3118797
Had the weather been better, the Ottomans take Vienna. What would be most likely the next objective?

>>3118885
3-5 tane götüboklu balkan zencilerine savaş kaybetmedeki neden farklı

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>>3118797
Give me a quick rundown on Köksal Baba, why does Erdogan bow before him?

>Be Ottoman Empire
>state system is so messed up you have a Albanian ruling over Egypt

Why was the way you ruled your empire so autistic and never modernized.

>>3118894
O balkan zencilerinin ordusu bizim 2 katımızdı bu arada.
>>3118890
Siege of Vienna was not related to weather. Kara İbrahim was a retarded albonigger. Ottoman Army failed to take Vienna because of him.
Also this is alternative history, if the Ottomans actually managed to take Vienna, there would either be a huge crusade against Ottomans or Ottomans would go for Austria.

>>3118885
Since when are Turks Iranians?

>>3118908
We are culturally more related to Iran than to Greeks or Europeans or Arabs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turko-Persian_tradition

>>3118899
What do you mean? Are you talking about multiculturalism of Ottoman Empire or something else?
Also there are many reasons, Uleman, Islam, incompetent sultans, anti reformist janissaries and so on so forth

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>>3118797
Here in America whenever someone sees a crescent and star, the usual thought is "Islamic symbol", and some conspiracy theorists even use it to justify their theory that Islam is some kind of secret moon cult, but I've heard somewhere that it was originally a national symbol of Constantinople, or something like that, that only became associated with Islam over time due to the Ottoman empire. Is this true, and what's the average thoughts in Turkey about the crescent and star? Do most Turks think of it as a symbol of Islam or a symbol of Turkey?

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>>3118976
Crescent and Star predates Islam or Byzantines. Persian Shahs themselves also used star and crescent (pic related)
>Here in America whenever someone sees a crescent and star, the usual thought is "Islamic symbol", and some conspiracy theorists even use it to justify their theory that Islam is some kind of secret moon cult

Islam is not about moon or something like that. Original Islamic flags were either plain black or green. With some Arabic script on them.
When the Ottoman Empire adopted star and crescent as their flag, other muslim countries, including muslim colonies under ottoman rule also adopted it and it became a muslim symbol.

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>>3118984
notice the stars and crescents

>>3118984
>>3119071
Thank you. To clarify, I don't think that Islam is any kind of moon religion. Some Americans may think that, but not the majority. Conspiracy theorists think all sorts of crazy things that aren't actually true.

Also, why are images of wolves commonly used by Turkish nationalism?

>>3119093
>Also, why are images of wolves commonly used by Turkish nationalism?

Legend of Ashina
i'll tl;dr it for you

>Chinks or some Mongol tribe win against Turks and start to genocide them
>Only one boy with no arms and legs survive
>One she-wolf called Ashina saves him
>Takes him to a cave and feeds him there
>Years later, the boy impregnates the she wolf
>The wolf gives birth to 9 men and they rebuild their empire
that's all

>>3119110
Oh and in the epic of Oghuz Khagan, a gray wolf leaded Oghuz Khagan. The gray wolf was actually Tengri Himself in a wolf's body.

>>3118797
What was going on during the 1700 and 1800's when countries like Spain and France were colonizing the new world.

>>3119121
Ottoman Empire was declining hard. and Nader Shah was being a pain in the ass.

pump

>>3118871
We don't

>>3118870
Any good books on them? Or really coastal maritime Arabs in general?

>>3118797
why did you shoah muh people.

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>>3118797
Say the plague in the 14th century had wiped out 90% (instead of the estimated 40-50%) of the European population, would it be realistic for the Ottoman Empire to conquer and colonize the entire area between the Rhine and the Carpathian Mountains?

Also, why recruit white Christians as your elite force?

>>3120196
Sorry don't know any books about them
>>3120201
Which one?

>>3120218
>Say the plague in the 14th century had wiped out 90% (instead of the estimated 40-50%) of the European population, would it be realistic for the Ottoman Empire to conquer and colonize the entire area between the Rhine and the Carpathian Mountains?

Yes.

>Also, why recruit white Christians as your elite force?

It's a Turkish tradition. Our ancestors Seljuks also used to kidnap/train Persians and train them as Ghulams (similar to Janissaries but they're cavalry), Viziers and bureucrats.

>>3120218
Not OP, but the Janissaries, like the Ghulams in Iran, were created because the central governments of that region in those time often relied on Turkmen tribes to supply troops. These Turkmen tribes often had their own motives and fucked things up because of their infighting, so the central government rectified this by creating a new class of soldiers loyal only to the state.

>>3120230
>>3120233
Thanks for the answers.

What are some typical examples of "great" inventions in the Turkish empire between the 1400's and 1700's?

Something which played a role in changing the course of history.

>>3120249
>What are some typical examples of "great" inventions in the Turkish empire between the 1400's and 1700's?
404

>>3118797
>questions about muh country's history from 1071
turkey ddt exist in 1071

>>3120261
It technically did after battle of manzikert.

Say the Ottoman Empire would still exist and would have maintained its dominant superpower position it had back in the day, would it have been as suspectible to different cultures and religions as the Western world is today?

Considering, even while the massive slave trade was happening, people from non-Turkish heritage could very easily climb the social ladder?

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Why do Turks follow the most laid back interpretation of Islam?

I have Turkish friends (not from the coastal cities, in-land or northern hicks, hardcore Erdogan supporters) and you often get the feeling its more of a cultural than a religious thing with these guys.

>>3120270
>Say the Ottoman Empire would still exist and would have maintained its dominant superpower position it had back in the day, would it have been as suspectible to different cultures and religions as the Western world is today?
Ottoman Empire was pretty tolerant to other cultures and religions as long as you paid your jizya/taxes whatever
>Considering, even while the massive slave trade was happening, people from non-Turkish heritage could very easily climb the social ladder?

Ottoman Empire was barely a Turkish empire after 1453.

>>3120282
2 reasons, Turkish Islam and Ataturk's reforms. Turkish Islam was different from Arab Islam because Turks couldn't read and they made up shit, and most Turks were nomadic till 15th century. Turks didn't even know how to pray (i read some books about situation of Anatolia in 1920s) and most of them didn't go to mosques

>>3120286
>Ottoman Empire was barely a Turkish empire after 1453

Yet there was rarely a revolt in the non-Turkish majority lands. How did they do it?

>>3120293
Oh and some Turks unironically thought their prophet was Enver Pasha and he lived in Istanbul lol

>>3120303
pretty sure you just got memed, enver pasa is a huge meme over here

>>3120310
it's literally written in the book
>Bizim dinimiz nedir
>Hepsinin bir ağızdan, ‘Elhamdü-l-illâh Müslümanız’ diye cevap vereceklerini sanıyordum. Fakat öyle olmadı, cevaplar karıştı. Kimisi ‘İmamı âzam dinindeniz’, kimisi ‘Hazreti Ali dinindeniz’ dedi. Kimisi de hiçbir din tayin edemedi. Arada, ‘İslâmız’ diyenler de çıktı ama ‘Peygamberimiz kimdir?’ deyince, onlar da pusulayı şaşırdı. Akla gelmez peygamber isimleri ortaya atıldı. Hatta birisi, ‘Peygamberimiz Enver Paşa’dır’ bile dedi.

translation:
"What's our religion"
"I expected them to say 'alhamdulillah we're muslim' but they all said different things like 'we belong to religion of Imam-ı Azam' some said 'we follow Ali' and others said nothing. Some said 'we're islam' but when i asked 'who's our prophet', they couldn't say anything. One of them even said our prophet is Enver Pasha"

>>3120298
there was no reason to do so. and ottoman empire was strong.
however, Turkish revolts did happen and it turned Anatolia into a war zone mostly caused by "muh taxes" and nomadic turks refusing to pay taxes/settling down

>>3120293
>Turks couldn't read and they made up shit, and most Turks were nomadic till 15th century
this is just flat-out wrong and i would love to see you try to back it up with sources and shame yourself

>>3120270
>people from non-Turkish heritage could very easily climb the social ladder?

>No distinction is attached to birth among the Turks; the deference to be paid to a man is measured by the position he holds in the public service. There is no fighting for precedence; a man's place is marked out by the duties he discharges. In making his appointments the Sultan pays no regard to any pretensions on the score of wealth or rank, nor does he take into consideration recommendations or popularity, he considers each case on its own merits, and examines carefully into the character, ability, and disposition of the man whose promotion is in question. It is by merit that men rise in the service, a system which ensures that posts should only be assigned to the competent.

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>>3120336
>Each man in Turkey carries in his own hand his ancestry and his position in life, which he may make or mar as he will. Those who receive the highest offices from the Sultan are for the most part the sons of shepherds or herdsmen, and so far from being ashamed of their parentage, they actually glory in it, and consider it a matter of boasting that they owe nothing to the accident of birth; for they do not believe that high qualities are either natural or hereditary, nor do they think that they can be handed down from father to son, but that they are partly the gift of' God, and partly the result of good training, great industry, and unwearied zeal; arguing that high qualities do not descend from a father to his son or heir, any more than a talent for music, mathematics, or the like; and that the mind does not derive its origin from the father, so that the son should necessarily be like the father in character, our emanates from heaven, and is thence infused into the human body. Among the Turks, therefore, honours, high posts, and judgeships are the rewards of great ability and good service. If a man be dishonest, or lazy, or careless, he remains at the bottom of the ladder, an object of contempt; for such qualities there are no honours in Turkey!

>Busbecq, a Fleming, was the ambassador of the Holy Roman Emperor at the Sublime Porte (the Turkish Sultan's court in Constantinople) from 1555-62.

>>3120336
>flat-out wrong
most Turks were ignorant as fuck.
read şevket süreyya.

>>3120336
>>3120341
That sounds like a perfect meritocracy.

But did it actually work like that in practice? No one buying their way into a special position?

>>3120343
>şevket süreyya
using late 19th-early 20th century examples for the formation of turkish sects in 10th-14th centuries is again flat out wrong and retarded

>>3120352
>No one buying their way into a special position?
It got fucked later but it worked pretty good for a while. It was far from perfect though as it was vulnerable to corruption.

>>3120352
that was the situation from 13th-16th century, the golden age of the empire
the meritocracy quickly turned into nepotism after that unfortunately

>No one buying their way into a special position?
obviously there were always corrupt officials in any kind of system, but overall the system was quite meritocratic

How would the army deal with an uprising?

Also what were slaves mainly used for, and how were they treated?

>>3120360
what was the difference between a Turk in 19/20th century and 10-14th century Turk? Were Turks back then more educated?

>>3120376
>How would the army deal with an uprising?
What kind of an uprising are we talking about here? A civil uprising or a military uprising?
>Also what were slaves mainly used for, and how were they treated?
Devshirmes were either trained to become soldiers or bureucrats.

>>3120379
You have better working system in place back in the 10-14th centuries since it was the glory days of the empire compared to the 19-20th century where it was rotting away. The sufis comes to mind as they were numerous and popular with the peasants.

>>3120386
Civil, a village or city in the Empire's perimeter.

the busbecq turkish letter if anyone wants to read

http://desuarchive.org/his/thread/2689765/

>>3120379
the seljuks used persian as the official language of commerce and education. actual ethnic turks were tribal migrants to anatolia which maintained a nomadic lifestyle until the ottomans forced them to settle down permanently which resulted in the shahkulu rebellion.

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What was ultimately the biggest reason for the downfall of the Turkish Empire?

>>3120396
Usually the rebels and the army met in a battlefield and they fought each other. Ottomans usually won

However, when Turkmens chimped out for too long (Jalali revolts), a Croatian Pasha was assigned to deal with Turkmens and he murdered like more than 100.000 Turkmens in Eastern Anatolia including children, babies, women and so on.

Why is it that throughout its history the Ottomans did well at adapting to European tech so as not let themselves fall behind until around the 1800s where industrialisation was in full swing for Europe meanwhile most of the Ottoman empire was formed of agrarian socities?

Surely at some point then Ottoman leaders knew that an econony that revolved around war was not sustainable and ideal for development.

>>3120409
Lead poisoning

>>3120409
Ulema, Islam and degeneracy>>3120409
>>3120409
>>3120406
>the seljuks used persian as the official language of commerce and education. actual ethnic turks were tribal migrants to anatolia which maintained a nomadic lifestyle until the ottomans forced them to settle down permanently which resulted in the shahkulu rebellion.
that's right. Persian was also the language of the court in Seljuks
it's pretty amazing how Persianized were Seljuks, they also named their kids after mythological Persian heroes like Kaykubat, Keyhüsrev etc.

>>3120419
Also if you can, recommend some books on the Ottoman economy pls

>>3120419
>Why is it that throughout its history the Ottomans did well at adapting to European tech
what?
>1800s where industrialisation was in full swing for Europe meanwhile most of the Ottoman empire was formed of agrarian socities?
Again, Ottomans were pretty much a backwards country.
>Surely at some point then Ottoman leaders knew that an econony that revolved around war was not sustainable and ideal for development.
I doubt. Most of our sultans were retarded.
Selim III realized that shit was going down then the Janissaries took him down lmao

>>3120409
Bad leadership and corruption.

Why is that the British and French threatened Mohammed Ali Pasha when he rebelled against the Ottomans and conquered Syria? It wasn't for them nothing was standing in the way of Pasha and Istanbul

>>3120439
>Why is that the British and French threatened Mohammed Ali Pasha when he rebelled against the Ottomans and conquered Syria? It wasn't for them nothing was standing in the way of Pasha and Istanbul
stability of ottoman empire was important. Or else Russia would get much more powerful in Balkans, Anatolia and eventually middle east.

>>3120439
Why let a lucrative market that you have exclusive rights to collapse. Also they didn't want russia to get too powerful same with the crimean crisis.

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Austria and Poland stopped the Ottoman expansion in the west, Muscovy and later Russia stopped it in the north.

What stopped their expansion to the south and east?

>>3120432
>what
From it's inception to about the 1700s the ottomans was on par with the major european powers

>>3120454
>What stopped their expansion to the south and east?

>south
there was nothing there and administrating deserts was hard. Ottomans retreated Yemen for a reason.
>east
Azeri Turks and Turkmens fought against Ottomans pretty well.

>>3120457
But Ottomans didn't get their technology from Europe. East was just more advanced than West back in the day. And Ottomans technologically started to decline in the beginning of 17th century.

>>3120454
>east
Persia
>south
To where the fucking sahara? The worthless arabian peninsula? The extremely mountainous and arid lands of ethiopia which is again worthless.

>>3120454
>>3120459
there was the zagros mountain in the east and beyond that the savafids which even invaded the ottoman lands sometimes

Why do Western countries still pay their dues to this day for the part they played in slave trading, while Turkey's incredible large (2 million Slavs from Crimean raids, at least 700.000 Southern Europeans and 5-8 million Africans from the Arab and Barbary areas) part is rarely even mentioned today?

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>>3120379
anatolia wasn't as backwards as it had become in 19/20th century
back then it was bustling up with trade and cultural advancements. more turks knew how to read/write and the whole period is essential in turkish culture&identity

>>3120409
everything that was listed before+minorities

>>3120454
>east
iranians(back when they were lead by turkic leadership&army)
>south
there wasn't anything of worth down there
>west
death of mehmet the conqueror canceled the plans of capturing italy

>>3120476
>Persia
Azerbaijan*
>>3120480
Mountains were not the primary reason. Ottomans had no problem annexing Azerbaijan and large parts of Iran when Safavids fell. Then Nader Shah came and wrecked shit.

>>3120481
>(2 million Slavs from Crimean raids, at least 700.000 Southern Europeans and 5-8 million Africans from the Arab and Barbary areas
source for these numbers?

>>3120481
Because you see my man first of all western countries are extremely euro centric and don't care about the rest of the world and further more the ottomans didn't work their slaves to death in plantations in squalid conditions.They were turned into servants, whores, soldiers or administrators.

>>3120490
>back then it was bustling up with trade and cultural advancements. more turks knew how to read/write and the whole period is essential in turkish culture&identity
maybe. i'm not sure about literacy rate of turks though. literally all of them were nomads back in the day.
>iranians
turks*

>>3120494
>literally all of them were nomads back in the day.
>>iranians
Not literally all of them, the sultan was trying to settle them down and he managed it with a success.

>>3120505
I thought we were talking about Seljuk era Turks.

What was the position of women in the Ottoman Empire?

I only know that being able to keep your wife inside (Harems etc.) was seen as a very positive thing.

>>3120511
Well 14th century is kinda ottomans? But yeah when talking about seljuks they still had some settled turks around isfahan.

>>3120514
>What was the position of women in the Ottoman Empire?
same as in every islamic country.
women in Ottoman palace also had some political powers. they had connections to viziers, janissaries and mothers of padishahs were influential (like Safiye Sultan for example)

>>3120514
>harems
>keeping your wife in an harem
Nigga what? Only the sultan had a harem and they were in principle all married to the sultan. I never heard of married women getting in to the harem, I'd like some source if you have them.

>>3120514
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Women
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrem_Sultan

>>3120517
14th century was a massive clusterfuck actually. Ottomans started to control Anatolia in late 1400s

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>>3120491
source is Emett Scott, a historian(!) that has absolutely no qualifications or original research
he is one of those (((christian))) authors who make up shit as they go along using blog posts by 70 iq (((christian))) preachers&wikipedia pages who are then used as sources(!) by zionist retards like spencer

>>3120494
>i'm not sure about literacy rate of turks though
not all turks during this period(or any period really) were nomadic
actually quite a lot of them were settled people. in anatolia there were a large number of civil organizations(even one for females) as well as military brotherhoods(ghazis)

this era is bustling with turkic islamic philosophers, doctors, scientists etc
any turk should read on the seljuks of rum and the anatolian beyliks desu

>>iranians
>turks*
iranian is not an ethnicity. can mean anything from a azerbaijani turkmen to kurd

>>3120514
terribly low for city/town folks
better in the higher echelons of society
and people in the country-side or nomads didn't really have to time or manpower to oppress women

>>3118825
As opposed to the Europe where no one was killed ever.

>>3120409
>>3120435
Meme answers.

It was because Europe discovered the Americas and gained a huge economic advantage over the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans collapsed economically way before they collapsed militarily. They considered themselves invincible in the 17th century and turned lazy while Europeans were conquering America and all that gold.

>>3120481
Because European slavery and Ottoman "slavery" is not the same thing.

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>>3118797
How multicultural would the 16th century Ottoman Military.
I know tons of Islamic circassians and Albanians served in the military, and how the jannisaries were primarily Balkanites, but how diverse was the military really? Like in comparison to ethnic turks?

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>>3122280
>How multicultural would the 16th century Ottoman Military.
Well... Turks made up most of the army.
>I know tons of Islamic circassians and Albanians served in the military, and how the jannisaries were primarily Balkanites, but how diverse was the military really? Like in comparison to ethnic turks?

Islamic Circassians? When? Circassians only came to Turkey after they were genocided by Russians in 19th century

Turks made up most of the army. Only Turks/Turcomans could be sipahi and akıncı. Janissaries were not that numerous contrary to what many people think. Then there were Turkish peasants hired by Sultans (i forgot their names)...

>>3122319
let me explain what those names mean

>Yaya and Musellem
basically very light infantry and cavalry. Most of them were Turks. Yaya means Infantry and Musellem means cavalry
>Azab
Irregular infantry. Initially they were only Turks, then any muslim could become Azab.
>Akıncı
Most of them were Turkmen tribal horsemen, however, there were Turks, Nogais, Tatars and other Turkics who where Akıncıs.
>Tımarlı sipahi
Turkish horsemen with fief.
>Cebelu
'soldiers' of Sipahis that they trained. half of them were Turkish i assume because half of fiefs of Sipahis were in Anatolia and Thrace.
>Janissary
i don't even have to explain this
>Kapikulu Sipahi
elite Turkish cavalry
>Other kapikulu
Devshirme soldiers similar to janissaries but they're elite
>Fortress guards, Martalos and Navy
Fortress guards were just muslims, Martalos were Greeks and Christians who were either spies or served garnison soldiers in fortresses, and Ottoman marines were mostly Greeks, Italians, Berbers and Turks.

>>3122369
First Janissaries were also similar to knights in terms of intelligence, they were not mere soldiers, they could write and read and speak 4 languages (persian, turkish, their own language and arabic). Then after 1402 they just became dumber.

Oh and Janissaries were Bektashi, not Sunni Hanafi muslims unlike most of Turks.

Why did you treat your brothers in Allah like shit?

>>3122582
hmm?

>>3118797
Do you know time point since which Turks became ethnical majority of Ottoman empire?

>>3122640
>Do you know time point since which Turks became ethnical majority of Ottoman empire?
Huh? Turkish migrations into Anatolia happened way before Ottomans friend.

>>3122651
Im about demographics of late Ottoman empire. Percentage of Turks (Ottomans, nvm) was less than of others (mostly Greeks and Armenians) even in 1600, but was growing and became major in 1930. Nice to know more detailed point of transition.

>>3122687
How do you know that percentage of Turks was lesser than other populations? There are literally no sources about that.

>>3122687
Turkey and all those countries had population exchange. We gave all the greeks to greece they gave all the turks to us. Also during WW1 bunch of armenians decided to take a trip to syria we never heard of them ever again.

>>3120317
ottomans get shit after 17. century. so you got all those people disconnected from cities etc. it was from a village in middle of asia minor where people have record of taking mountains as refuge and just surviving. its also about islamic image ottoman has that makes this anecdote so contrary and striking. ottoman wasnt a "all islam" kinda place. it was just a degenerated empire. you dont find normal believers in degenerated empires but cults and etc. even pre ottoman mevlana cult in 13. century represent the chaotic nature of asia minor at that time and their numbers of members increase during chaotic times etc.

>>3120376
>>3120396
house slaves were treated as part of the family but i doubt that it was common until 18th and 19th century.

devshirmes were first given to ottoman farmers to grow in ottoman culture and help farmers. there were no roman type slave ownership for agricultural purposes but most of the times you paid so much tax that you were essentially a slave anyway though not as bad as russian counterpart.

>>3120341
whos the one on the right, i know left is inonu but pretty sure that was a different person

>>3122687
[citation needed]

>>3118797
What is it like being a cancer to the civilized world?

>>3118899
They also had Greeks ruling Romania
And little to no Turks in administration

>>3118797
If the Battle of Sakarya went differently how do you think things would've changed?

>>3123579
Keep your butthurt contained, mr balkanrapebaby.
>>3123583
We would probably become a European colony.

>>3123583
greece internal struggles would make it impossible to hold asia minor for them. they would have izmir and everything west of it. we would be butthurt like armenians are atm.

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>>3118984
>Crescent and Star predates Islam or Byzantines
Of course it predates them since is a natural symbol. But in the case of adaption here is the thing:
During the late Hellenistic times the Star and Crescent symbol was the symbol of the city of Byzantio.
Byzantio renamed later to Constantinople which became the capital of the invader Ottomans 5-6 centuries ago).

>>3120426
there are two names to read.
first, Halil İnalcık. Second, Şevket Pamuk.
>>3122582
you mean Arabs? because they are THE shit.

>>3123852
so?
>we wuz turkz an shieeeeeet

>>3118797
Why do you think Bosniaks are your brothers?

>>3125874
We don't lol. It's just religious/historical friendship. By bro we don't mean genetic relationship or cultural relationship, Bosniaks are muslim and they used to be ottomans. Hence we're friendly towards them

Our bros are Azeris and Turkmens.

>>3125874
same religion, they were happy being under ottoman rule also. Turkey's still have power over bosnia due to this.

and there are a lot of bosniaks immigrants in Turkey, Hell, my cousin married one. they are really happy being here.

>>3125957
>Marrying balkanites
uhh
i don't approve this.

>>3125962
like I care. If I find a girl like that, I would get married also.

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>>3125974
I don't like whites/balkanites in general. bosniaks also marry kurds for some reasons idk why

>>3125997
turks also marry kurds? how is that a problem?

>>3126003
marrying kurds happens only in eastern parts of Turkey like Malatya, Maraş etc.

>>3126013
I can count countless of marriages from İstanbul, Ankara, İzmir, Denizli etc. that I witnessed alone.

What's with the kurds in Turkey ? Are they like the poor oppressed minority ? Do people like them ?

>>3126053
>What's with the kurds in Turkey
most of them have no problems. a small portion of them creates problems.
>Are they like the poor oppressed minority
according to lausanne treaty, they are not a minority, and I wouldn't call them oppressed when they had a prime minister and a president of Turkey amongst them.
>Do people like them ?
after that small portion's chimping that I talked about, most of the turks hate them. and after that Syria shit with ypg-pkk, expect bigger things.