How can capitalism be stopped when there are people who willingly

>>3111861
Mike Rowe is privileged though

He is an upper class entertainer in a first world developed country, he has every reason to support capitalist hierarchy

>>3111861
Communism is an academic fetish, a tweed that only grow in the minds of rich professors, and the common man hasn't the capacity to understand it.
You need the the intelligentsia to act against its own best interest to force it on the people it would be helpful for, even as they try to fight back.

>>3111888
>a tweed

Weed* of course.
Ant my post assumes we need communism right now, since thats the question, even though I don't agree.

Mike Rowe must be pretty rich. I can see how he'd say something like this.

All of those sound fine to me
Mike Rowe is a good guy.

>>3111893
He is pretty much a con man posing as a working class to screw over the actual working class.

>>3111893
He got rich as a singer and telemarketer.
Its after he got rich that he started doing Dirty Jobs and those craftsmen programmes in the USA>

>>3111911
He's a host and narrator on television. He's a fucking entertainer not a working class man in the least. What a hack.

>>3111861
This is the kind of American cuckoldry that offends even a Yuro SocDem like me. 'Liberty' without social guarantees, the biggest American meme out there.

>>3111923
If he doesn't make his money renting other people's labor, he is working class according to Marx.
Leonel Messi is working class, yet a filthy rich man.
His agent, a poorer man, isn't working class, because his wealth is the result of Messi's labor.

Class =/= money, its about labor.

>Hes not blue collar so he cant support the working class

>>3111936
Well Marx was a shithead. Don't get me wrong I agree with most of the S.W.E.A.T. pledge but Rowe is being a bit deceitful here since he's probably never done much real work in his life.

>>3111945
>real work

Work is work.
If you are doing it yourself, its real work.
If you are renting other people's work, and thats your "work"...

>>3111936
If he invests his money for interest, he is technically buying part of the ownership of the means of production and extracting surplus value from the laborers.
Most means of production are not directly owned nowadays.
Hiding behind a bank or an investment broker doesn't mean that you're not profiting off other people's labor.

>>3111954
Yes but he's specifically speaking for blue collar workers when he obviously fucking isn't one.

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>>3111954
Hard work. When he says 'real' work, he means work that fits the proper defintion, aka work that takes effort and tires one.

A teacher does a lot more work than her student, although the student is the one who produces.

>>3111861
>pic related
>Capitalism
More like how do we stop neo-liberalism ?

We must debunk the neo-liberal discourse and spread the message through education
Memes debunked so far:
>"trickle down economics": wealth flows from the top to the bottom of the society
>we all have the same opportunities in life
>"genetics" or "race" are valid categories
>you can get through anything by pure focus, hard work and power of will
>inequalities are natural, not politically instated and historically situated
>...

We read Pierre Bourdieu, again. Then Foucault, then Bourdieu again...

>>3111861
Capitalist countries feed socialist countries.

Why do you want everyone to starve to death?

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>>3111861
But socialism is inevitable comrade :^)

>>3111861
/leftypol/ bait aside, that's should sound like bullshit even if you support capitalism.
Some of what he says is good but some of them are insane.

>I am a product of my choices - not my circumstances
Your choices do matter but only up to a point. It's not your choice to be born in a shit country or shit region of a country. He even says he's lucky to live in America.
>never whine and complain; everything bad is YOUR fault
Yeah, man, never try to chance something bad in others or the system, just take it or try to be "happy".
>all people are created equal
Tell that to people with birth defects.

I think this type of American bullshit is the result of how polarized things are there. You seems to have a whinny "Left" does indeed have the "gibsmedat" philosophy and as a reaction you get these "libertarians" going "lol dude, just work and be confident you lazy faggot and never complain".

>>3112151
If your only arguments are nitpicking you have no arguments
How stupid do you have to be to believe that Mike Rowe is addressing people with birth defects or victims of real tragedies? You are simply saying things to be mad, to stay mad. Why do you not acknowledge that such a poster is for people who are capable and with desire to work and fulfill themselves? Instead you propose asinine arguments, as if Mike Rowe is flying to a village with no electricity in Tibet and telling the local cripple to get a job.
It seems the mere fact that someone suggested that there are things you can control and there are circumstances in your life you can change if you are willing to sacrifices e and work has struck a nerve. You should be more worried about that than anything Mike Rowe has to say.

>>3111888
*tips revisionism*
>>3112062
>a neoliberal capitalist country imports most of its food
>*crickets*
>a country that calls itself socialist imports food
>HURRRR SOCIALISM DOESNT WORK DURRR

>>3111861
I know this picture always pisses people off but let's be honest here it's good practical advice for low iq people whose only other alternative in life is mainlining heroin and ending up in prison for five years at a time.

>>3112102
what is the fundamental difference between slaver society and serfdom?

>>3111861
Capitalism is in the long term interest of most people on the planet.

>>3112918
It sorta is. But if you don't consider WHY it is so, your answer is a shitty straw, and you should be ashamed for posting such a weak statement.

And to even make the argument, you need to understand basics that you don't even need to use Capitalism as a argument, but "modern versus pre modern", where there is a core defining feature of Modern Capitalism that doesn't exist before it.
Its really simple: Modern times has serfs, and low labors engage in economic activity with fiat.

But since you made a shitty phoneposting oneliner: You need to defend why economic activity is "a long term interests to most people"

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>>3112918
>mfw this post is made in the era of global warming, rising consumerism and global population

>>3112962
I would say that the question asked by op is just as stupid, but fine.

Captialism rather than allowing a bunch of robber barons to rape the ignorant poor, as actually constantly raised standards of living were it has been introduced.

That isn't to say its perfect or one size fits all, but on the whole its more helpful than not.

>>3112988
gees sorry for the typos there

>>3112970
Communists never offer any solution to global warming or overpopulation. Half of their reason for existing is elevating the truly impoverished of the third world to a first World level standard which would by default increase everyone's carbon foot print even more.

>>3111861
>implying communism is ANYONES best interest

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>>3112988
>3 lines
>No arguments or even a attack angle
>That spacing

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>>3113002
>whatabouting this hard
Feel free to make any arguments anytime

>>3111861

>How can capitalism be stopped

stop exchanging stuff.

>all system is capitalist, even socialism.

>>3113021
so where is your essay on the evils of capitalism and do you know what an argument is?

>>3111861
It won't. Capitalism is the future and Marx was just a delusional retard autist.

>>3113032
It's not a what about ism.

Communists have no solution to looming ecological collapse and they should really stop making pretend it's a problem unique to capitalism.

I don't understand the question. Capitalism is the system that's designed to take advantage of how common it is for people to act solely in their own interest.

>>3111861
What would you replace capitalism with?

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>>3113077
>I don't know what is whataboutism and yet I will make no argument: the post
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

>>3111877
I think his point is that there is social mobility for those willing to do hard work.

>>3112852
There is a social contract behind serfdom.

>>3113081
The problem is that people acting in their own interest tend to only care about the short term, and are very willing to "cheat the system".

>>3113676
Right, and capitalism is the system that's hardest to cheat.

>marxists pretending to know others interests

>>3113683
Real capitalism (which has never been tried btw) is the system that's hardest to cheat.

>>3113704
Even imperfect capitalism is harder to cheat than pretty much anything else. It's entire design is built around people looking out for their own best interest.

>>3113716
Yeah but capitalism only works if people look out for their own best interest AND agree to follow certain rules, like avoiding collusion and maintaining low barriers for entry. That's where the difficulty of implementing real capitalism lies.

>>3111861
>willingly act against their own best interests
But capitalism is everyone acting in their own best interests.

>>3113760
As long as no force is involved, that's usually less of an issue than it's made out to be. Barriers for entry are more likely to be regulatory in nature than consequences of capitalism, and collusion is hard to maintain in a competitive marketplace. Even the quintessential example of a monopoly, Standard Oil, was starting to crumble by the time it was broken up, because it's just not possible to be that large and nimble enough to keep up with new competitors at the same time.

>>3113779
>Barriers for entry are more likely to be regulatory in nature than consequences of capitalism
Because current implementations are highly regulated. Obviously, they wouldn't be so common in unregulated capitalism.

>collusion is hard to maintain in a competitive marketplace.
The whole issue of collusion is that it makes the marketplace uncompetitive in the first place.

>>3113806
I'm curious as to what kind of barriers you think would pop up in the place of regulations. And my point on collusion is that all it takes for the collusion to break down is for either one of the members to realize they can make significantly more money by breaking it, or a new competitor to show up and take advantage of the colluders' lack of efficiency.

>>3111861
>willingly act against their own best interests
By forming an intellectual vanguard to force the unenlightened proletariat to act for their best interests.

>>3113050
>>3113049
>>3113050
Stop pretending to be retarded.
Ay lmao

>>3113821
>I'm curious as to what kind of barriers you think would pop up in the place of regulations
The main one is when all the resources needed to run a certain type of business are already claimed by someone else - if someone does get into a position where they own all the coal mines in an area, it's for anyone else to compete with them for the same markets. And in the modern technology industry there's a major compatibility issue as well - you pretty much need to buy Windows if you want to run Windows software, even if you consider another operating system to be better. It's like if the brand of bread you could buy was limited by the brand of your toaster, or vice-versa.

Compatibility is less of an issue with open standards, but AFAIK there is nothing in a free market that would prevent a company from using non-open standards, meaning no one could make a compatible competing product without reverse engineering (which opens you up to lawsuits).

>>3113938
I could see issues popping up with extremely limited resources, but I think those same issues tend to happen in pretty much any system you design. The recent downfall of OPEC, though, strikes me as evidence that even legally mandated collusion in the field most ripe for it can be overcome by technological progress.

Non-open standards seem to me like another area where we have evidence of how capitalism works to find ways around the problems. You bring up Windows, which faces serious competition from both Google and Apple in the OS market, even ignoring the open-source standards like Linux. I'm not saying that capitalism will always be 100% efficient, and it can take more time than we might like for new solutions to these problems to be found, but overall it seems to be more efficient and less prone to the problems of power abuse than any other system I can find.

>>3113990
>You bring up Windows, which faces serious competition from both Google and Apple in the OS market
For the most part the competition seems to focus on the mobile market, which is basically Microsoft's weak suit. It's not that Windows is the only OS out there, but as far as PCs are concerned, and especially PC gaming, it is pretty dominant, and that's not likely to change unless someone can come out with a Windows-compatible alternative, since even with the recent push for cross-platform games, leaving Windows will mean you lose access to a lot of old and established software. Not really sure what the solution would be, but there might be more choice for the consumer if the PC gaming market was better divided, rather than Microsoft having close to a de facto monopoly.

>>3114086
That's an interesting and more specific question. I guess we'd need to start by asking what Microsoft does that adds inefficiency to the PC gaming market. The failure of things like the Ouya suggests that it just might not be enough to take advantage of.

>>3113170
This. Too many people are going for bullshit degrees in fields that aren't growing.

There's nothing wrong with learning a vocation.

He is absolutely right you morons. Stop pretending real life is fantasy were you can just implement a system that gives everyone free money.

>>3112052
neoliberalism aka liberalism is the ideology of capitalism if there ever was one.

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>>3113990
>>3113938
I think your argument is flawed here.
Its not "legal collusion", its more like "accidental tech monopoly by medium parties".

At first look, the argument presented can be rephased to
>due lack of knowledge, its not possible to go for a reasonable solution
>Hence bigger corporations can get entry to unrelated startups by existing
>i.e considering rent of CNC machines where parts is manually made, is not considered in favor of CAD software + CNC and hire 2-3 more people, or buying parts
I would argue that Windows + Intel as bundled mandatory costs are a result of defacto standards combined with excessive marked effectivity(actually quite high). Which also means the breakout of US Oil to OPEC, or the migaration away from OPEC, means: Somebody is sitting down, considering the cost of using a standard, and realizes there is a HUGE COST involved.

>>3114086
Also please kill yourself. Anything you mention, don't even go near any sort of markedshare in terms of profit or computer marked.
Windows is sorta like a cat in a lions garden. Still a huge cat, but small next to it is dumb hardware /w software(routers, electronics), server stuff(10-200x bigger marked), and phones.
The Desktop as Windows + Intel platform, is by itself completely irrelevant, and might even die to a consumer shrink.
Sure Microsoft as a corporation will live for another century, at the least: But the Desktop marked IS SMALL, and you don't showcase a understanding of how little its real marked impact is.

>>3111861
>their own best interests
your a dorable

>>3114190
Even that is no longer a guarantee of a job
Simple fact is that jobs are disappearing and even having vocational training is no safeguard against declining wages and fewer job opportunities.

>>3113170
>willing to do hard work.
Rowe isn't exactly the kind of person who exemplifies that value. In interviews about his life, he's always pretty flippant about things he's done, and usually says that he chose auditions to meet girls and stuck with easy jobs. He even had a reputation for complaining about his job at QVC live on air.

>>3114753
>Simple fact is that jobs are disappearing
I don't know why you believe this when American unemployment is so low right now

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If communism is superior to capitalism, why do people always migrate from communist countries to capitalist ones, instead of the opposite?

People went from East Germany to West Germany, from North Vietnam to South Vietnam, from Cuba to the United States, from China to Hong Kong, from Venezuela to Brazil etc

Only intellectuals, ideologues and wanted criminals ever migrated willing to communist countries.

It was so bad that they had to build walls and prevent people from living.

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>>3114753
Trade school isn't a guarantee against unemployment. Its a guarantee against the bottom of the marked.
So once you see it: A "helper" at any company do not compete in any way/shape/form against a certified professional. That said, if the local legislation is complete shit, its possible to acquire trade certification without half a years industry experience, or more.

Nevermind that the only guarantee against unemployment is cash & knowledge reserve combined with founding/entrepreneurship, everything else is a gamble on the local economy.

>>3114805
>reddit spacing
Noice.
Nevermind that living inside the sphere of Amerikan propaganda means you see more Amerikan propaganda. But that by itself means little, when USA wins the Cold War, meaning there is no more Soviet Union to spread propaganda.
And if you search, you will find people fleeing from anything. Be it neighbors, politiks, or the local police stares.

>>3113170
Depends entirely on the field. If you are born poor yet are exceptionally driven and talented, you certainly may attain social mobility. However, this is really unlikely because our economic system cannot support every single grocery store bagger becoming a stock broker.

>>3114814
>propaganda

The word commies always use when they don't have an argument.

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>>3114873
If its Communist to admit that you need information to have a opinion about information, then Propaganda is the most Communist there is.
Or Capitalist if you are on the other side of the wall.

>>3114805
Communism isn't "the policies of socialist states", it's a completely different mode of production in which the working class controls the economy and wage labor is abolished.

This mode of production has never existed.

20to century socialist states were very good at developing their economies and lifting people out of extreme poverty, but they could never come close to matching the living standards of the First World, because the First World had access to a far broader market of resources. People didn't migrate to from West to East Germany because it had a lower standard of living. For the exact same reason, nobody migrated from West Germany to capitalist Panama. The standard of living was lower, even though the economic system was the same.

>>3114889
But people migrate from socialist Venezuela to capitalist Panama nowadays!

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>>3114889
Gobbunism beat most of "The West" by a good margin, because it turns out there is a lot of shitty Banan republics outside of the central colonial states.
Its sorta what made Communism even be a thing to strive for, and what ever gave them propaganda even if they failed.

And while it was a success, the downsides where also horrible, because it turns out Stalin was insane, Revolutions are awful to life, and flat economies lead to disregard/hate for collective property.

>>3114908
It's unfair to compare communist Russia with capitalist Congo, though. Even if Russia was held back by an unproductive system, it was still more advanced than the Congo and it was hard to change that.

It's more fair to compare countries with similar economic developments, so instead of comparing Russia with "banana republics", compare it with Finland, which was part of the same state before the revolution and without communism ended up becoming one of the richest countries in the world.

By the same standards, capitalist banana republics should be compared with communist banana republics, and while I have to admit that some communist countries in the Third World achieved decent results compared to its neighbors, such as Cuba, others have been disasters, such as Ethiopia under the Derg.

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>>3114940
And, of course, Cuba was more advanced than its neighbors to begin with, so it's hard to credit everything to communism anyway.

>>3114940
Hell, compare Chile to the rest of South America. Even in the worst situations, capitalism turns out a better end result than socialism.

>>3114900
Venezuela isn't socialist, just run by a lefty government

Their economy is plain ol' capitalism with certain companies run by the state

>>3114985
Not that they aren't trying to build True Communism™. It just failed like every other attempt.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/12/30/venezuelas-communal-movement/

https://nacla.org/article/communal-state-communal-councils-communes-and-workplace-democracy

>>3114985
That's not what the left was saying a couple of years ago

>>3114985
I must be old because I remember when American socialists and progressives applauded Venezuela as a model for the world

>>3112001
well workers have credit cards so they're technically using other worker's labor so...

>>3113002
North Korea's record of environmentalism is insanely better than any capitalist country. Even Western sources admit this.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/20/north-korea-unlikely-champion-fight-against-climate-change

Capitalism will never be able to regulate carbon emissions by itself. If one capitalist decides to cut down on their emissions, that would put him at a competetive disadvantage - he will go bankrupt and lose his job. Only in a centrally planned economy can carbon emissions be cut substantially.

>>3115283
It's easy to have a small carbon footprint when you can't afford the natural resources to power your country

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>>3113170
>implying

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>>3115283
>North Korea's record of environmentalism is insanely better than any capitalist country.

How North korea can even contaminate when it's literally a ghost country?

>>3112052
>you can get through anything by pure focus, hard work and power of will
This is literally true. Most people are extremely lazy, if you're halfway smart and a very hard worker, you can do anything.

>>3115283
But that's not thanks to communism, you dolt. It's due to a severe lack of industry.
That's like saying medieval Europe had a minute carbon footprint so maybe feudalism is the solution to climate change.
The Soviet Union and China were/are the only communist countries whose level of industrial development compares to that of capitalist countries and they polluted just as much.

>>3115283
Are you crazy? NorthHkorea has a better environmental record because they are almost entirely farmland; the same as they've been for a thousand years. You're lucky to own a radio there.

That's like saying indigenous tribes offer the best course going forward to combat global warming because they produce so little pollution

>>3111861
1-10-11-12 contradict one another.

>>3115362
>>3115386
>>3115459
Fake news. Even Western media admits North Korea under Kim Jong Un is booming.

http://theduran.com/truth-north-korea-booming/

The South Korean Hyundai Research Institute estimates North Korea's annual growth to be 9%, making it the fastest growing economy in the world.

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>>3111861
>that entire pic

>>3115501
>http://theduran.com
>not biased source

Hahahaha never change tankie.

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>>3115534
>leftypol memes

Nice porkie pinko

>>3111861
Fucking Mike Rowe is the reason I signed up for an apprenticeship with the Operating Engineers. It's been months since becoming an accepted applicant, and I'm still waiting.

>>3115639
Haven't you learned anything? You can't sit on your ass and wait for people to hand you out things, more so a job. You need to be a self starter and rob that fucking office. Strip everyone of their valuables and stash those dollars in your wallet.

If you have internet access and still cannot educate yourself and find a way to earn an honest living then you deserve to be poor

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>When a thread about criticizing capitalism becomes about Marx-Leninist countries
>mfw right wingers are using the most favored propaganda tactic of the Soviet Union to criticize it and its client states

do people seriously agree with this cuck?

"I promise to take my jew overlords cock all day every fucking day and be happy about having the opportunity to proudly serve my kike masters, my holes are there for the fucking and my mind and soul is there for the taking, I am nothing but a pathetic cuckslave who lives for nothing but service and use"

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>>3116262
Follow your leader and shoot each other for communism.

>>3111861
>act against his own interests
this argument pisses me off so much. And the weird thing is that only leftists use it as an argument, despite the fact that it's entirely fascist and authoritarian to its core.

Let's just take democracy away shall we, after all, the dumb plebs don't know what's best for them, right ?

>>3111861
Why would you want to stop capitalism if you only care about economic matters?
Your lifestyle is much, much better in economic terms under capitalism than under a hypothetical "socialist" society.

>>3112052
>"genetics" or "race" are valid categories
Hello Trofim, how's it going?

>>3111898
>T. Mike Rowe.

>>3116262
Yeah it's ironic as hell

Chomsky joked that the American right are the biggest propagandists of the Soviet Union, because they insist that any criticism of capitalism is Soviet communism

>>3115501
The fastest growing economies are always impoverished nations catching up, not "booming" nations.

Other "fast growing" economies:
Ethiopia
Uzbekistan
Nepal
India
Cambodia
Myanmar

>>3114768
Sure he is. He worked a series of manual labor jobs before going into showbiz, and then spent years at the Baltimore Opera doing bit parts. Later, he cultivated this public image working on his Dirty Jobs program which was wildly successful and aired for 8 years. Now he's trying to stick up for the people who were his loyal fans for years. What's wrong with that?

>>3114838
So wait, you're saying there is social mobility? Sounds like you like it.

>>3119523
Social mobility definitely exists in capitalism, it's just incredibly difficult and sometimes impossible to attain. Factors of circumstance override the importance of skill or motivation.

>>3119571
Those "factors of circumstance" are just serendipity. Continue to work hard and apply yourself, and by odds you'll have the correct circumstances eventually.

>>3115534
>>3115550
I love that these are literally just happy merchants.

>>3119571
Social mobility under notcapitalism is even more difficult. Unless you are lucky enough to be appointed politically, there is no way to achieve success through merit. Even if you went straight from a 4.0 GPA to a top uni and into a blemishless career someone might decide "nah I don't like the look of him". Of course if someone's life didn't go perfectly from day 1 they will never even get to that point, they are not allowed to privately own the means of production, they can't get permission from "the people" to manage a part of it or they will be severely repressed in their ability to do so. They have to go back to work in the state factory like a good meek "proletariat". That is the kind of life you want for people.

>>3111861
https://www.dangerandplay.com/2015/11/15/how-to-live-a-great-life-even-if-you-have-money-problems/

I like the guy in OP pic related, seems like he has a good attitude on life.

>>3114838
your mindset is entirely narrow. We live in an age of endless opportunity. Look at 4chan. You can communicate with millions of other people daily on the /his/ board and talk about your favorite ideologies, historical periods, or whatever.

What's stopping you from finding a topic here that you find really interesting, exploring it, and starting a website, podcast or youtube channel to share your knowledge with other people? You already know your market exists.

>>3119919
Delusional bullshit from an ignorant retard. Most of the Soviet scientists who launched Sputnik came from peasant families. Under capitalism, they would never reach that position, because nobody would profit from giving education to the children of penniless peasants

>>3120131
>Most of the Soviet scientists who launched Sputnik came from peasant families. Under capitalism, they would never reach that position, because nobody would profit from giving education to the children of penniless peasants

Most of the Soviet scientists were members of the party, social mobility in URSS was a combination of political cronism, favor exchanges and party contacts.

>>3111861
>I believe that all people created equal
Kek. Others are pretty good argument though.

>>3119584
Okay, go tell that to hookers in Bangalore

>People who think that the thing that makes democracy/capitalism the best is making your way through hard work
>Not finding an easy way to get money by any means necessary and convince people less smart than you that the only way is hard work

Mike Rowe is a brilliant capitalist. Not only that, but he ensures further labor by making people proud of being cogs in machines that never complain, even though he did. I guess more than just Communists need useful idiots.

>>3120639
Both of you are fucking stupid, the only way a modern economy can operate is by being mixed, there are certain goods which the free market is awful at providing, and there are many times the free market has simply failed (see the irish potato famine) to provide goods, there must be public provision/ subsidy to encourage supply of goods business's undersupply and taxation levied against goods that hurt the population.

>>3122509
>and taxation levied against goods that hurt the population.

Kill yourself.

>>3111861
How the fuck is this shit /his/? This is literally contemporary politics, and it isn't some kind of analysis at it or something that could be considered part of economic history, political science, sociology or w/e field you could discuss something similar to this within.

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>>3111861
>it's a "/leftypol/ makes yet another communist political propaganda thread on /his/" episode
Give this place a rest- at least for a week.

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>>3111861
When will the reddit leftypol raids stop?

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>>3122799 (checked)
Why must the left be so smug about everything? I know this isn't the board to say this but I'm tired of politics being inserted into everything. I am annoyed by /pol/'s demanor slightly less in that they are somewhat in the spirit of the draconian nature of image boards and I regurgitate lefty arguments sometimes to annoy them but I just wanna push these niggers down the stairs or some other high school bullying tier shit. It sucks that every board has to be /leftypol/ or /pol/ now.

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>>3122816
I agree, I am largely apathetic about politics since I think the only actual solution to humanity's problems is antinatalism but lefties are so goddamn obnoxious, arrogant and self-righteous it puts me off their ideologies, /pol/lacks are just lovable retards I can't hate them

the real question though is why is there no /his/ mod to delete these threads

>>3122833
Because humanities covers a lot of topics and vols could turn a blind eye, I see a lot of Anglos BTFO and other obvious troll threads deleted though, and /pol/ content sometimes gets pruned, too.

>>3111898
>guy
goy*

>>3122799

how the FUCK did you get those pics of me wtf

If your ideology is worth murdering people over, start with yourself please..

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>>3122509
>there are many times the free market has simply failed (see the irish potato famine) to provide goods
That wasnt a free market, the famine was the result of Ireland being subject to regulation of the English governments protectionist policies and interventionist legislation.
https://mises.org/library/what-caused-irish-potato-famine

>show up early, stay late
>other bullshit

Works on upper tier jobs. Other ones, managment does not give a fuck and will fire for any reason no matter how much you volunteer to work.

This guy is selling snake oil in the form that hard work equals success. A lot of the time it doesn't; a lot of it nowadays is who you know and nepotism.

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>>3122816
>>3122833
They do everything out of spite and if it turns out that their grand, hyperbolic gesture doesn't amount to anything, then they can't glean fragments of self-worth from ruining everything.

Ask yourself.. Do you think these people enjoy remakes of shit where everyone is brown and gay? Do you think they are actually happy to read cape comics where all the heroes do is sit around at coffee shops and whine about dating and THE PATRIARCHY?

Of course not. It's part of the reason why they are such miserable cunts. Instead, their entertainment comes from believing that they are pissing people off and stealing things away from their perceived enemies. Believing that they've participated in making the shitlords angry is the closest thing to entertainment they get.
>>3122863
There is literally no ideology without blood on it's hands

>>3111861
>the actor pledge
>1) Get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to cut off a pig's nutsack for 4 minutes
>2) Stop the program when you feel uncomfortable and tell the worker what to make you do
>3) Hold up sign pretending to be a worker and telling people to work harder after sipping on your martini

>>3122930
Lol basically

>>3122864
>Holodomor was because of capitalist revisionist elements here read this stalinists.org link that will prove my point

Retard

>>3120639
>Most of the Soviet scientists were members of the party, social mobility in URSS was a combination of political cronism, favor exchanges and party contacts.
CPSU / VKP(b) was a mass party, not an old boys club, political machine or whatever is that that you imagine.

>>3119584
False. Unless by "apply yourself" you mean also have the necessary characteristics that allow upward mobility, in addition to just the hard work itself.

Hard work on its own literally does nothing more than give you a better chance at keeping your job and getting a pay raise every now and then (that will eventually cap). If you want actual upward mobility, you NEED certain qualities beyond being a hard worker.

The issue is that people tend to conflate those qualities with "being a hard worker" when being a hard worker just means 'doing what you're told at a good pace, for as long as you're told to do it'. Initiative, ingenuity, and networking are not the basis of being a hard worker.

>>3123004
>CPSU / VKP(b) was a mass party, not an old boys club, political machine or whatever is that that you imagine.

Vanguardism is just a eufemism for elitism. be a memeber of the high party opened the door to numerous ‘privileges’, including the allocation of a superior standard of accommodation, access to special shops (containing domestically produced goods in short supply and imported luxury items from the West) and holidays in special health resorts. Also exist the danger of political persecution, if you not show doctrinaty purity then you are considered a sectarian (revisionist) you lost everything and go to the gulag to be reeducated. Communist party was just a mechanism of mass control.

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>>3112102
>cybernetic planned economy

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>>3123256
Soon

>>3111936
>>3111945
>>3115134
Marx said you're only in the working class if you couldn't afford not to work for wages. He is rich enough not to work for wages.

>>3114940
>It's unfair to compare communist Russia with capitalist Congo, though.
No, its not. Its one of the reasons why Communism has a large root in academic spread.
Congo can't be compared to THE GREAT SOVIET UNION, however, it can be compared to any of the lesser administrative areas within.

> capitalist banana republics should be compared with communist banana republics
They should, but those didn't exist until the late 50s. Meanwhile Banana Republics and United Fruit Company, alongside John Company made Banana Republics exist in the first place.


Then again
>spacing
ay lmao.

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What makes you think you know their interests better than they do?

>>3111893
Man 1: you can become rich through the efforts of your labors
Man 2: no you can't!
Man 1: yes you can let me show you I will work hard for years and become successful in my craft
>years later
Man 1: see? i made it!
Man 2: why should I believe you? You're rich!

>>3111861
>How can capitalism be stopped
Only by founding an economical basis for newer formation. Any other way is disasterous.

>>3112988
>Captialism rather than allowing a bunch of robber barons to rape the ignorant poor, as actually constantly raised standards of living were it has been introduced.
Except those robber barons, social inequality
no safety standards, and all that, flourished in the Gilded Age, where there was a big increase in wages and shit.

Capitalism is great, but going full retard with it, as in all domains, is retarded.

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>>3120131
>Most of the Soviet scientists who launched Sputnik came from peasant families. Under capitalism, they would never reach that position, because nobody would profit from giving education to the children of penniless peasants
Most of NASA is disproportionately filled with people from Ohio.