Why didn't Portugal expand inland? Did they fear the

>>3105797
>posts map of the portuguese lands in the interior of Angola
>still makes a shitty meme joke

You have to go back.

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>>3105797
>Did they fear the black warrior?

Doesn't seem like it

>>3105820
Le Black Warriors eternally BTFO

>>3105797
-thry couldn't, the interior of Africa was only conquerable after the industrial revolution
-there was nothing of value for them to get from the interior.

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>>3105797
They feared the Asian ones, alright.

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>>3105841
>They feared the Asian ones,
Ummm, sweety..

>>3105861
Wow that's pathetic. Didn't Indians have cannons?

>>3105861
We're talking American definition of Asian, not British.

>>3105861
What the fuck, how?

>>3105797
inb4 that portuguese sperg post the image with all the massive wars portugal won

>>3106073
>We're talking about the American definition not the actual definition

>>3105871
>>3106303
They feared the Portuguese warrior.

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England and Portugal were the best Sea power nations until Netherlands came around and whooped both their asses.

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>>3106356
Anglo betrayal

Why would they want to when the important bits they want are on the coast? Real life isn't Total War where the only objective is to expand and expand and expand for no other reason than to expand.

>>3106356
Netherlands was usurped by England as the major naval power, not the other way around.

>>3105820
kek

>>3105797
It was too costly and burdensome to expand the the Portuguese had very little presence in the inner parts in several of their African colonies. Only until much later were they able to actually Maintain a strong presence pretty late in the 1920's in inner Angola

>>3105820
>shows map of Africans colonizing the new world

Remember that Portugal isn't a very populated country, they probably weren't more than 1 or 1.5 million at the time. Makes it a bit hard to gain influence considering their empire was so far-reaching.

>>3107684
Pretty poor and behind otherp owers too.

>>3105797
The English and Portugeus beefed over that area of land because they both wanted contiguous land in Africa to facilitate trade

>>3105797
They feared the bad air

>>3105841
The portuguese lost a battle, this is news for me.

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>>3108359
They lost two battles against the Chinese, and were massacred in Moluccas when the Sultans there complained to their Chinese allies that the Portuguese were assholes.

Portugal was really a piratical nigger in Southeast Asia/East Asia that nobody liked. They sold Japanese girls as slaves and raided communities over there. So China booted them out and the local Indonesian entities were more than happy to support the Dutch against Portunegroes.

Macau was really only acquired by the Portuguese when they did community service in the mid 1500s and China thought they rehabilitated enough for them to trade with them, handing them the island of Macau as a trade post. But then a few decades after they lost Formosa and Indonesian possessions and were driven out of Japan.

>>3108519
m8 i don´t know what kind of buthurt you have against the portugese, but that's self evident on your ridiculous post.

I know that portuguese empire was huge, in face of Portugal's itself pop. Besides that portugese are white, cause they look white and
tend to be classy and honorable.
I never heard stories about them doing piracy stuff but they probbaly after the british, the french, and the spanish, the portuguese empire was the biggest.

>>3108575
nah the other dude is very biased but the Portuguese did sperg out a lot in East Asia, the 1st people to ever catch yellow fever

>>3105797
It was more important for them to take control of trading and colonial outposts, what with their low population and all. Their naval supremacy helped with trade in the Indian Ocean and until industrial revolution, it wasn't difficult and not worth it to breach into mainland Africa so much.
>>3108519
> the Dutch
Reminds me of a funny story I read some time ago about a bunch of trained and armed dutch soldiers being held off and defeated by portuguese slaves

>>3108575
>Pires de Andrade's negotiations with Ming officials were thwarted when his brother Simão de Andrade arrived in August 1519. His brother immediately made a bad impression upon the locals of Tunmen, which has previously been open to all foreigners. Upon arriving with three ships, Simão executed a Portuguese and built a fort on Tunmen, barring other foreigners from conducting trade. When a Ming official arrived to inquire as to the situation, Simão became aggressive and knocked off his hat. Following this, Simão began purchasing as well as kidnapping child slaves along the Chinese coast to sell in Portuguese Malacca.[2] Even children from well off families were stolen and found years later at Diu in western India. Rumors that Simao and other Portuguese were cannibalizing children for food spread across China.[1][3] Simao's pirating activities greatly angered both the Chinese people and the court, which led Ming officials to order the eviction of the Tunmen Portuguese.[4]

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Japan#Portuguese_trade_in_Japanese_slaves

Try reading up on SEA/East Asian history sometime. European niggers.

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>>3108628
This cannibal thing is pretty interesting because I remember reading how african slaves feared the portuguese because they thought the slaves getting sent into the slave boats were eaten. Is there any truth in these?

>>3108628
The portuguese were nothing compared to what the spnish did in the amercan continent. Also the english were much worse to the natives than the portuguese. The indians were mass killed by spaniards and by the english.

>>3109008
>falling for the Anglo's lies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legend

They feared malaria and yellow fever.

>>3108575

>tend to be classy and honorable.

Lol no Portugal was complete shit with it being the worst West Euro nation through a lot of European history asides Ireland, they never had that classy and honorable thing about them. You don't know how much of a joke Portuguese were until recent years.

>>3109104
>t with it being the worst West Euro nation through a lot of European history


You must be out of you mind. They were the first europeans to mass explore the world, the first to reach india by sea, the first to reach Japan, Maggelean, Vasco de Gama, Henry the Navigator.
They won battles and war's against all other power's with much more population, like Spain or France and even Netherlands.
How such a small country did all that? how do you call that worst?

>>3105820

They bought those from black warriors though.

>>3105820
fucking worst decision ever.

>>3105797
It's harder to move things through the African inland so they just called it a day after taking the lucrative coastline

>>3109283
Because back home it was a den of extreme poverty and degeneracy from said poverty (lowest literacy rates in west Europe by far because of it's shitty rulers).

Lol for example so many Portuguese migrated from Portugal to the African colonies when they became provinces because the government actually invested in the now official parts of Portugal compared to back home (as well as favoring Portuguese first and foremost). The number of mixed race Portuguese and Portuguese pre-mass immigration got dwarfed hard by the massive influx of poor Portuguese seeking a new chance at success and jobs despite many of them being poor and illiterate.

That's why when people migrated back into Portugal it got fucked hard because it had to take a massive intake of refugees from the colonies

>>3105797
No one ever feared the blacks. Maybe the way you fear plague carrying rats.

>>3109104
>worst West Euro nation through a lot of European history
40 years isn't that much

>>3105871
Italians gave them cannons and cannonners for the following battles, no joke

>>3108628
Alpha as fuck

>>3108732
Uma delícia

>>3108575
It is true though
One of the reasons why Christianity was booted out from Japan was because of Portugal sperging out and selling Jap girls

>>3105797
They feared getting lost because the black warriors were too primitive to make maps

>>3107607
kek'd

>>3108575
Dude please. Portuguese weren't le noble seafarers bringing civilization. They were (very sophisticated) pirates. Their diplomacy game in Asia and Africa was off the charts, that's what I find fascinating about their empire: they built it on shrewdness and cunning, and they made first contact with a lot of these cultures so it's amazing they engaged them diplomatically at all with no basis to work with on the languages and customs of the peoples they found.

>>3108602
The Dutch feared the domesticated black warrior.
This took place in Macao, I believe the Dutch were trying to occupy it at the time they were rekting Portuguese holdings in Asia.

>>3106384
>war for some shitty colonies that lasted 60 years
Why would a country throw its self into such a mess

>>3106348

Tectonically speaking, the "subcontinent" really is a continent. Including it with Asia is really an archaic practice that descends from the greeks calling everything to the east of them "Asia" naming it after a mythological figure.

>>3112175
no it was in Brazil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrique_Dias

Are Portuboos a thing now?

>>3109104
Nigger it's the exact opposite, Portugal was a highly regarded European nation from when the discoveries started until the start of their decline with the death of their heirless king in 1560, which made their crown go to the Spaniards, who neglected the Portuguese colonies in favor of the Spanish ones. Even then Portugal only became a low tier Euro country in the XIX century

>>3106303
Wikipedia has quite a full article on it, entertaining reading. Basically their commander was a tactical god, they used their firepower perfectly, and they made full use of the fact that all the locals spoke the language of their opponents while no one could speak Portuguese; they knew everything that went on in the enemy camp, but no one knew what they were planning. Also it was a defensive battle where all they had to do was prevent the Malabari from fording, so they could use their ships and all of those ships' excellent cannons to full effect against both the enemy navy and ground forces, while the enemy navy had to come at them packed tightly across a narrow front.

Honestly, even with all the Portuguese technological superiority, it was still an incredible victory. Hell, it would be an incredible victory if the 120 dudes had had modern weaponry.

Didn't have the population density in Europe to push immigrants overseas to form communities like Anglos did which created successful functioning colonies. Africans didnt get their society shattered by disease like the Natives in the Americas so they didn't have a weak and subservient population they could breed with to create a second-class citizen group like the Spanish. Their empire consisted of trade stations manned by traders and sailors and the locals who relied upon it, and wealthy aristocrats that ran plantations in Brazil along with the natives that they could assimilate as well as the blacks they sent over as slaves. They benefited some from having access to foreign markets, but they didn't have the port infrastructure to do high volume global trade.

>>3112409
You get so many instances of shit hitting the fan in Portuguese history it's nothing short of a miracle the damn country still exists

>become independent tiny kingdom
>former masters to the north and muslim hordes to the south
>castillians constantly invade while trying to consolidate territory
>later on a retarded king goes to war with no heir and gets killed, the crown goes to his uncle the Spanish king
>somehow regain independence and retake colonies that were meanwhile invaded by the Dutch and English
>massive earthquake levels their capital
>later on resist THREE Napoleonic invasions
>said invasions led the nobles to flee to Brazil and leave Portugal as a British colon- i mean protectorate
>manage to kick out the Brits

Should we fear the Moorish warrior?

If there are glorious countries in Europe and in the world, one of them is for sure Portugal.
Unbeliveble rich history. from they ancient origins in the celts and iberians to their reconquista, big empire, all thypes of war's, ruch culture, folk and heritage.
In the XX century they went in a fascist mode, so it was dubious

>>3106303

A matter of balls

http://www.arscives.com/bladesign/history.htm

>Vice-Roy of India, D. Afonso de Albuquerque, a military genius of the highest degree commanded a fleet of six ships manned by four hundred men, and entered Ormuz Bay, being surrounded by 250 warships and a 20.000 men army on land ready to dispatch the small Portuguese flotilla.

When the King of Ormuz sent aboard an emissary to question Albuquerque, the great Commander told the messenger one phrase: Surrender yourselves !!!

This must have provoked an inner laugh from the messenger who left.

When the battle begun, Albuquerque made his fleet circle like a carrousel and destroyed most of the ships. He then proceeded to conquer Ormuz with 400 men.

>>3108575

Piracy was true, read Fernão Mendes Pinto book "Pilgrimage".

tuga

>>3110119
>Because back home it was a den of extreme poverty and degeneracy from said poverty (lowest literacy rates in west Europe by far because of it's shitty rulers).

Degeneracy, that's something Portugal never was. In fact they were extremly conservative. And about poverty, all the countries saw it, time to time.....are you forgeting that today Portugal is one of the most developped countries in the world aren't you?

>>3108575
Portuguese were honoroble and classy in the Recoquista, they finished their first and then they went to help the spanish, that were always tyring to invade them. One of them was in the battle of rio Salado, when castillian king send emissars for help and only Portugal answered, and after the christian victory, the richess of the batlle won against the muslims were given to the portuguese and their king and nobles said:"We don´t came here fight for the gold,but for the holy cross and lands of iberia"

When you join, catholic fanaticism and nationalism you had - portuguese.

>>3113059
>>3112409
Afonso de Albuquerque is such an interesting figure, he was a tactical genius but he was ruthless af dealing with natives. Wish there was more material on his exploits in Portuguese India.

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>>3113159

Like Marco Polo book, gives account of the voyagees, allies, enemies and other kingdoms.
It also describes the moment firearms are introduced in Japan, since the author was among that crew.

>>3113159
The english and dutch corsaries were much worst

>>3113190

He was the leader of the incursion that conquered Malaca, the loot was so big that when the ship sunk "in midia res" it became the biggest sunken treasure in that seas

>>3106384
At that time Portugal was united with Spain you twat

>>3113236
>>Sir! It seems our closest ally's crown has defaulted to our enemies: the Spanish! Shall we aid them in restoring their independence?
>>Nah. Technically they'rr not our allies anymore right? Let's go fuck their colonies up.

Albion in a nutshell

>>3113211
IIRC it's still not been found right? Ironically that much treasure could probably pay Portugal's debts right now. They should get to work on that.

>>3113382

I think it was, by Indonisian authorities, portuguese gob just skipped it

>>3113362
To be fair, they tried to put a claimant on the portuguese throne a little after the Spanish Armada, but it was a total disaster.

>>3105818
Because their settlements were more trading posts than colonies, until a certain period in their Brazilian settlements. Then there were faced with the problem that Brazil was incredibly difficult to colonize and to tame the natives

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>>3105797
Portugal god tier

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>>3109008
Funnily, Spain was a good boy in Southeast Asia.

Even the way they conquered the Philippines was pretty humane: they literally just convinced Non-Muslim Flips that it was better to support them to help them fight Muslim pirates.

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>>3111360
>"Alpha as fuck."
>Driven out by an inferior navy.

Lmao, Ming China's cannon tech began to improve due to captured Portuguese guns during the Battles of Xicaowan and Tunmen.

Most notably, the breech loaders they got from the prize ships they captured.

>>3114546
Portugal controled the seas of china for a fucking century or more, on the other side of the world. A country with less than 1.5 million population, do you have any kind of notion of what that is?

>>3113169
>are you forgeting that today Portugal is one of the most developped countries in the world aren't you?

Only after the end of the revolution. Fucks sake it's literacy rates were horrible fora European country.

>And about poverty, all the countries saw it, time to time

Portugla was memetically poor. Hell lets not mention the massive Portuguese migration that people undertook to escape poverty.

>>3112361
apparently so

>>3114533
I think spain had a small presence there

>>3114879
>Portugla was memetically poor.

Don't exagerate, portugal was much more rich than all eastern europe, and even more thansome part of west, and nord, it changed a lot from the X to the XV, to the XIX
Like all europe was somehow poor, sweden just for example was poor till the beginning of the xx century.

> the massive Portuguese migration that people undertook to escape poverty.

Compared to the italian, the irish, polish, german diaspora, the portuguese one was absolutely none. You have to gain some context before.

>>3105861
POO

>>3108628
>knocked off his hat

UN
ACCEPTABLE

>>3114311
Checked

Portuguese were about trading, exploring, bringing resources back to Portugal.

>>3114533
With their Ten islands?

>>3114944
In the XVII they were so rich that they build cathedrals and monasteries, palaces, some made inside of gold, all around Portugal. Their king john V was a crazy guy, louis xv style?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_V_of_Portugal

>>3111362
SOPA

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>>3115001

Good days, there are also stories of embassies he made were he would trow gold in Rome or Paris to the commoners from his gold made car

>>3115001

And yes, the idea was to emulate the "sun king"

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>>3105797
>Did they fear the black warrior?
Is it a new meme I'm not aware of? I've seen like 4 threads of the "fear the black warrior".

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>>3115034
I think even before that, portuguese nobility and kings were somehow full of themselfs, not like they didn´t done to behave thay way but. Probably iniquisition legacy

>>3115087

The differance is that now the king was doing it, and activilly taking political power from it.

But there was a spanish joke that a portuguese noble would have 17 slaves
I can´t find it but it´s something like this
2 to hold the horse
1 to help him get down
and the rest each one would hold something

>>3114879
Portuguese migrated to escape the dictatorship

>>3106356
Daily reminder that the VOC whoops everyone's asses, makes the Jews and Venetians look like Franciscans, and put the puny east india company to shame.

>>3115271

Nah, they kept migrating, portuguese always kept migrating

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>>3115301
Portugese won against the dutch.

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>>3116400
portugal ha a rich history, tuff boys. Spreading westrn civilization
Was salazr their last glorious ruler?

>>3116447
Yet stormfags are so quick to disparage them. It's shameful, really.

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>To organize the expedition to Ceuta ships were rented while others were built in Portugal to carry the expeditionary forces that were formed by the King’s vassals and by men supplied by the nobles. The enthusiasm was so great and so great was the impatience to serve, that a nobleman aged 90 years old presented himself with his troops.

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>>3105820
Why did Portugal BLACK an entire continent

>>3116613
i think iberians and italians are granted top tier by stormf

>>3118106
It was many different people, from portuguese, to dutch, english, french, spanish, jewsw all of them had their guilt. it was a bussines (unforntntly)

>>3116400
And always in numeric inferiority, how da fuck? great tactics?

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>>3113169

That was Afonso IV, the brave. That episode came after a brief war between Portugal and Castile because the castilan king was abusing his daugther, to whom she was married

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>>3114779
>Portugal controled the seas of china for a fucking century or more
Explain all those Chinese pirates then that the Ming, Qing, and Spanish Authorities were putting down?

Portugal barely existed in the South China Sea after they were booted out of Formosa.

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>>3105861
>MFW You pick Portugal because you suck at Total War games!

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>>3114944
>I think spain had a small presence there
You really don't have any idea of Asian history, do you?

Not only did Spain acquire almost the entire Philippine archipelago, they were also the most trusted trading partners by the Chinks since they paid in silver.

Meanwhile Portugal just kept losing colonies in Asia left and right until only Macau and a few islands in the most worthless parts of Indonesia remained to them.

Portugal is the most worthless of the colonizing Europeans in the Asia Pacific. Lost all their colonies except those the Dutch allowed them to keep and that one island in China the Chinks gave them as a handout. Pathetic!

>>3120281
In matter of fact. Macao was granted to the portugese exactly because they destroyed the pirates in the sea of china.

>>3105797
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estado_Novo_(Portugal)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusotropicalism

> but Portugal had the longest Colonial held territories

Guess they were smart to stay out of the Jungle?

Portuguese are autistic they spam and reply to their own posts to validate their insignificant existence.On /sp/ they constantly spam shit porto pepe memes to hide their defeats and shame.

>>3120316
>Lost all their colonies except those the Dutch allowed them to keep

lel do you really believe the dutch could beat the portugese? those pt's kids won almost all their war's even when their were a tiny minority.

Or they were gods of tactics or i don't know.
Besides that they were the first to start the discoveries and the last of the european power's to lost their colonies (only in the 70's).

>>3105820
WORST SHIT EVER
WHY DID THEY DO IT

>>3118668
Name those Spanish african slave colonies I fucking dare you.

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>>3120361


REEEEE WTF IS /sp/?