>In 1923, it read: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag

>>309785
>implying anyone actually says the pledge other than indoctrinated jingoists
"Thou shall not worship graven images"

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>>309785
>Was it to teach those godless Marxists a lesson?
Yes.
>Did it work?
In the sense that it helped brainwash entire swaths of generations of Americans, yes.

Luckily that shit didn't work on me though.

It might have hurt patriotism. I remember I knew a lot of kids that thought the phrase made the pledge meaningless. On the other hand I doubt it seriously made people more religious or give second thoughts to Communism. I think overall that means it's a net lose.

in god we trust :^)

Do kids still say the Pledge? I remember when I was in school we did for the first couple of years and then we stopped suddenly in the middle of one year. And this was a rural school in the Bible Belt.

I finished high school four years ago and at least until then i can say that the pledge is alive and well

>>309957
Same exact thing happened in my experience in high school, and I went to high school in Massachusetts.

Until that point though I remember saying it every day in school. It stopped somewhere around 10th grade if I remember right.

>>309957
Bible belt school here, no we never did stop.

Of course I was in Oklahoma, the reddest of red states so I don't know how prevalent it was in other states

>>310013
That's the thing, I was in Oklahoma too.

>>310020
Weird. What part? I was in northeastern Oklahoma, which is more liberal I think and it didn't stop the school board.

>>310030
Near Tulsa, so the same region thereabouts.

>federation founded by violent semi-anarchist terrorists
>turns into a semi-fascist supranation of universal pro-government indoctrination

>>310033
tulsa is far more liberal than the rest of OK.
t. guy not from the US

>>309785
>Did it work?

We beat those godless Marxists, so yes, I'd say it did.

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>>309785
Its pretty fucking scary that the way we dealt with the Hitler salute thing was we decided to simply LOOK less like fascists, instead of act less like fascists.

>>310218
whats fascist about pledging allegiance to your homeland?

>>310239
You think there isn't fascism in America today? There is, it just doesn't look like it, is my point.

>>310247
No, not really.

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>>309785
>What did that really accomplish?
It allowed various legislators and officials to make a show of their allegiance to old monied nationalist groups like Sons and Daughters of the Revolution and powerful fraternal organizations like the Knights of Columbus.

>Was it to teach those godless Marxists a lesson?
No

>Did it work?
Not clear. Charles Oakman, who introduced the bill, did not get reelected.

>>310247
>fascism maaaan

Tyranny you fuckwit, it comes from both sides of the aisle though each side would have you believe otherwise. One side is convinced there's communism and the other convinces there's fascism. Really there's tyranny seething from them both.

>>310271
provide proofs that actual fascism exists in America.

>>310286
>le golden mean fallacy

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>>310286
>Tyranny you fuckwit, it comes from both sides of the aisle though each side would have you believe otherwise.

I never denied this, and frankly it doesn't have much to do with the question of fascism in America.

>>310288
Most Americans are taught in school that fascism is a ruthless one party dictatorship, the most popular example being Nazi Germany. This is first off a misconception.

Fascism is a political economy, not merely a political system that existed in one moment of history. Fascism is the complete control of the state by monopoly capital. Fascism is corporate government. Fascism is the last stage of capitalism where the relationship between the state and corporation becomes indiscernible. The supreme god of a fascist, to which his ends are directed, may be money or power; may be a race or a class; may be a military, clique or an economic group; or may be a culture, religion, or a political party. From a conservative perspective they identify this as crony capitalism, from a left wing perspective we call it fascism.

And in case you think I am a liberal, just know that I hate the American left, probably more than you do, for different reasons. That the US indeed is a fascist society receives little attention from the US left. They are as clueless as the conservatives...until of course the paradox of fascism which sustains and grows in the midst of deteriorating conditions for the majority of the population becomes no longer sustainable. Shits going to hit the fan when we reach that tipping point.

>>309957
When I was in high school we stopped actually saying the pledge, but we would still all stand and face the flag while a lady recited the pledge over the intercom for us.

>>310286
Also I forgot to mention in this post >>310416

>fascism maaaan
Really? Don't assume shit. Ironically what you describe with
>both sides of the aisle though each side would have you believe otherwise
Is in agreement with my arguments. What you're describing IS fascism you fuckwit. You would know that if your definition of fascism was any more sophisticated than "LOL HITLER". Also "fascism" has never been a popular insult from the American left. They are just as retarded as the right.

>>310493
>Also "fascism" has never been a popular insult from the American left.

American left reporting in, 'fascism' is second only to 'oppression' in insult popularity

>>310499
That is bullshit and you know it.
And if the word fascism is thrown around, since I don't claim to know everything being discussed in American media, it sure as hell would still be a call to the single instance of fascism like Nazi Germany, and not the actual political economy which fascism entails. This type of bs is another reason why the American left is cancerous. That conversation, about political economy, is way over the head of public discourse in our country.

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>>310416
>>310286
>>310288
No rebuttals? Or did I just happen to convince you both that fascism is hiding in America?

Oh wait, the idea is so ridiculous at first that you expected a FASCISSM MAAAAAAN PASS THE BONG BROOO type reply. But then again you shouldn't have been picturing fascism as just goose-step marching soldiers passing by the White House and nothing else.

>>310635
dumb frogposter

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>>310673
Thats right.

>>310218
>scary
Why do leftkeks throw this word around so much?

>>310239
Doing it everyday in school is pretty hardcore indoctrination even if you're not forced to do it. The only time I ever had to do the pledge to my country was during my compulsory military service. Then again I live in an ethnic nation state which the USA is not. Our loyalty to the country is completely natural and expected by default.

Starting every morning by praying to a flag is kind of odd.

>>310695
Because Leftism is rooted in appeals to emotion from monied interests and fear is the most powerful emotion.

>>310790
We were never forced to do it. In Elementary school we did it because we were kids and it was fun. In Junior High we didn't do it because we were edgy kids, then in High School we did it due to a combination of habit, growing out of our edgy phase, and to mock the edgy autists who were adamant Communism could work if only they were the glorious dictator this time.

If your first class was a foreign language class you said the pledge in that language. My German teacher was adamant this was helpful to the language learning process.

>>311473
Did he bring out the German flag for you too?

>>311490
Nah. Although the German Foreign Exchange girl who helped in the class would face the German flag on the wall during the pledge instead, replacing America with Deutschland when she said the pledge. She said she wanted to do that as much as possible because she'd be looked at as odd if she did it back home.

>>309957
Northeast Ohio, in my high school we weren't required to say it, but it was always broadcasted

Always found the pledge really weird from a foreigners perspective. Honestly I had a hard time believing it was a thing for a while, it just seems so... Out dated? Indoctrinating? idk

>>309957
California here and I graduated high school last year. We said the pledge every school day until the day we graduated.

>>310416
https://counterinformation.wordpress.com/2015/03/14/is-the-u-s-a-fascist-society-fascism-is-a-political-economic-structure-which-serves-corporate-interests/

>literally copied and pasted without source as an attempt of sounding original
pathetic

>>312197

Nationalism is strength in the fact of foreign threats

>>312309
I guess. Nationalism is definitely present where I grew up, but it's more just 'Fuck England' than anything else. It just seems really foreign to me, the most nationalist thing we did was singing songs in our language about a saucepan.

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>>309785
>mfw every morning I had to stand at attention at the school's parade square with all the other students at start of school
>then sing the national anthem
>then recite the national pledge
>then sing the school anthem
>and if the principal didn't like it he'd make us to do it all again
>do this from age 7 - 17

Not America though, but I legit hated both the national anthem and the pledge by the time I was an adult.

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>>312335
>the school's parade square


holy fuck, what?

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>>312349
Better believe it comrade.

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>>312356
Singapore really is just a totalitarian hole with good PR

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>>312372
A true outer heaven

>>312372

It is, sadly.

Turns out that the US and the West in general will give you a pass on this sort of thing if you're a international tax haven.

>>310635
I believe Fascism is in fact hidden in America; it just doesn't appear that way due to life-long indoctrination from public education.

The majority of people now (I think it's ~60%) go to a University of some kind after high school; back then this would encourage more outside thinking, and it still can, but you see a lot of indoctrination here as well. (In both humanities and STEM).

In the humanities sector indoctrination is quite obvious, due to the fact you're going to meet SJWs as professors quite frequently unless you're in Classical Studies or Foreign languages. But it's quite prevalent in the STEM fields too, perhaps even more so; by manipulating your interest for a certain subject, STEM education brings you to work in the benefit of the government or a corporation somehow.

By making us think we need a degree, we become further indoctrinated. In all honesty, though, the only work you need a degree in is mostly for academia; degrees should be earned out of pure interest for the subject.

By manipulating us even further we become good, hard-working, productive citizens so we can reach arbitrary goals in order to sedate ourselves.

The only way out is to cut yourself out of society. Once I earn my degree, earned out of interest for a subject, not because I feel forced to (though, subconsciously, I wouldn't be surprised if that's a reason), I shall live out indawoods and fulfill my studies there.

>>312372
Sounds about right. I remember some story a while ago about a 17 year old Singaporean kid who got arrested for criticizing one of the founders of the country and a bunch of celebrities spoke out in opposition of him, saying he should be more gracious and thankful and shit.

>>312659
You seem to be confusing Fascism with totalitarianism.

>>310416
Stop calling these social fenomena 'fascism'. Fascism is an ideological political movement from the XX century thst blended elements from socialist/marxist movements and ancien regime movements that could be classified as revolutionary pseudo-reactionary militarist populists.
The strengting of multinational corporations together with the state over personal liberties is something different. It doesnt have that populist character and pseudo reaction

Non-american here, looks pretty 1984 to me. Here you pledge allegiance to the country on joining the military, and from this moment you can be held responsible for disobeying the orders, not following the military laws and such, it's a pretty serious thing and you do it once in your life.

Like, how can a child pledge allegiance? His actions has no judicial power, he can't be held responsible for breaking the pledge.
Why pledge every day? Isn't one time should be enough? Does your pledge null itself at midnight or what?
And why pledge allegiance to the Flag? Flag can't even talk, how do you suppose to obey it? Stupid murricans.

All in all, looks like quasi-religious indoctrination ritual, pretty retard thing to do in 2015.

>>312393
...or if you hand them your oil.

>>310416

>nationalism and jingoism
>racism
>defining an evil enemy of the nation that must be destroyed and is the main cause of all problems
>curtailing of liberties because security against the evil enemy
>militarism and worshipping of martial values
>controlled mass-media
>big capitalism, especially financial and industrial corporations, in cahoots with the State
>protectionism and state subsidies/control of economic sectors deemed strategic
>public indoctrination of 'good values' vs 'bad values'
>in practice, one-party/ideology system, even if other political views are allowed representation but ofc, well keked and impotent.

Does your country fulfill this? If so, it's a fascist one.

>>313040
You're right, its neoliberalism. Neoliberalism is just fascism lite, with a main difference on who is on top in the state-corporation relationship.

>>312659
>due to the fact you're going to meet SJWs as professors


that's not fascism, quit baptising everything that isn't outright in favour of capitalism "fascist". What you said holds truth because of the nature of the lessons and classes, like they 're teaching you that coca-cola destroys a certain bacterium in your intestine. They may or may not say about all the other hazardous qualities, but they 'll let that one sink in for a minute.

Research is privately funded, get it through you fucking switcharoo.

>>313285
See>>313291

>>313291
>Neoliberalism is just fascism

ftfy genosse.

>>311473
>Because Leftism is rooted in appeals to emotion from monied interests and fear is the most powerful emotion.
Funny, that's my perception of the right's rhetoric as well

>>310288
There's elements of fascism in America in the same way there's elements of capitalism, socialism, corporatism, environmentalism, etc.

>>313314
Maybe that because you're both retards with hands over your ears

>>313927
>as well
I'm saying both of them are
Calm down

>>313296
Shit man.
I'm sorry I said anything.
Geez

It's just a cute little Romanticism.

It's not like they make you pray. Get over yourself.

>>315534
This desu
In Canada we had to sing the national anthem every Friday. I guess patriotism might just be a North American thing.

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>>309785

>>309785
USA recognized religion as an effective form of brain-washing

>>309957
I remember in highschool some teachers wouldn't say 'under God' while saying the pledge. I also remember that offical policy stated that a student didn't have to say the pledge but most teachers still sent kids to the office and called the students parents if you didn't say it. There was always that one guy who would yell "you are free to do as we tell you!" When ever people started doing the thread. Understand that no matter how someone feels about the pledge or religion making kids say the 'under god' part is unconstitutional.

>>315642
In French and English, or was it a "choose whichever one" kind of deal?

>>309859
>using the Bellamy salute when Bellamy was a disgraced failure and an anti-Catholic racist

wew lad