What cause the radical change of Islam from Islamic Golden Age

>>3084559
>Islamic
>Golden
>Age

>>3084559
Al-Ghazali's Incoherence of the Philosophers.

>>3084559
Mongols
Colonization

>>3084565
When they were "colonizated", they already were relatively backward.

Easiest answer is Mongols obliterating the Middle East. It's to my understanding that Islamic society was already decaying at that point, but horse fuckers probably sealed the deal.

>>3084559
Islam has always been the same, the only difference is that during the early days of the Caliphates they stabilized a previously unstable area which created prosperity once trading and freedom of movement was once more guaranteed. They were also in the middle of a mountain of knowledge - Egyptian to the west, Greco-Roman to the north and Persian to the east. All they had to do (and mostly did) was translate the works of older, more advanced civilizations.

It gradually became worse and worse when more and more non-Muslims converted to Islam and became as backwards and simple-minded as the rest.

>>3084576
Still, what was the case in Egypt and Al-Andalus? Being overthrown by less civilized turks and Berbers?

>>3084577
But Muslim had some of their own achievements.
Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī or Ibn al-Haytham weren't just translators.

>>3084587
Arabs ruled through language and religion, they never made up any significant proportion of the regions they conquered so it would be a very simple task to oust them as long as they don't have an empire or caliphate backing them.

File: 1499371384044.png (146KB, 554x439px) Image search: [Google]

146KB, 554x439px

>>3084559
Unironically, enslaving subsaharan women.

>>3084593
Neither were Arab in origin, they were converts or the sons of recent converts who still retained elements of their non-Arab (Muslim) culture and way of thinking. As Arabic culture and Islam spread and became a bigger part of everyday life everything took a turn for the worse.

>>3084601
Still Muslim, idiot

>>3084614
Did you miss the fucking point or what? Islam kills innovation. It's possible for first generation converts to contribute because they still retain roots from their old culture, but as their society becomes increasingly centered around Islam they stagnate.

Why is it that it's only converts you hear about? Why is it just Persians, Greeks or people from the Levant? Where is the horde of Arab scholars who had all the wealth and power to be the spearhead of technological advancement?

>>3084624
So why Christians were able to absorb pagan achievements, and Muslims on log run weren't?

File: Asia_1200ad.jpg (731KB, 1968x1215px) Image search: [Google]

731KB, 1968x1215px

>>3084565
>>3084576
>ctrl+f "Mongols"
>Like clockwork.

The Golden Age of Islam has long ended two centuries or so before the Mongols even came. It came with the decline of the Abbasid Caliphate in the 900s, the various revolts of competing Caliphates (Fatimids, notably), Mamluk "Slave Dynasties," particularly the breakaway of Iran under a series of Turkic rulers, and finally the Great Seljuk "Invasion" of the entire middle east. Hell, let's throw in the Crusaders.

The empire of the Abbasids shrunk so much due to all of this that the Caliphate's writ didn't extend past Baghdad and roughly Iraq. In addition it wasnt the center of Islamic Learning anymore considering that moved to Anatolia, Egypt, and Muslim Spain.

Really, when the Mongols arrived and besieged Baghdad, all they did was put out a dying empire out of its misery.

>>3084631
The achievements didn't stop after conversion. Christianity doesn't hamper innovation the same way Islam does - Islam suffocates a society due to how prevalent it is in everyday life and how much energy is spent arguing over texts and being devout Muslims.
It isn't a coincidence that the most secular Islamic countries are the ones that are doing the best. Ataturk knew what was what.

>>3084624
Many major contributors had already been converted many centuries prior. Also, there were several important Arab scholars ; but the arabs were becoming a minority because the non-arabs were converting so rapidly so of course non-arabs would contribute more. Not to mention the fact that the arabs were not really into civilization so much pre Islam so of course they didn't have much of a foundation compared to the populations of the civilizations they conquered and would eventually convert.

>>3084660
>important Arab scholars
translators*

File: 1499975252751.jpg (7KB, 250x241px) Image search: [Google]

7KB, 250x241px

>>3084624
>empire who integrate dozens of tribes and ethny
>most muslims are not arabs
>most muslim scholars are not arabs
Really makes you think.

>>3084559

arab savages displaced persian, greek and egyptian intellectuals and ran the region to the ground

also inbreeding, massive inbreeding

>>3084674
>it's impossible for a small elite to contribute a disproportionate amount to innovation
what is a jew

>>3084675
Sassanids and Romans ran the region to the ground before Arabs ever did lmao.

>>3084601
>Neither were Arab in origin
Wrong. Ibn al-Haytham was born in Basra, a city founded by the Rashidun Caliphate and populated with Arabs.

>>3084683
That's irrelevent. The point is you don't blame 10% of the population for not doing 90% of the discoveries.

>>3084559
Very loose Ottoman rule.
The middle east especially areas with conflict are going through an identity crisis.

If the Ottomans focused more on the ME region it might have developed better. Also the failures of the Arab nationalist leaders paved the way for Islamist partisians to take helm and paint themselves as the successful option

Muslim theological and spiritual encompasses a much larger part of people lives
Praying 5 times,reciting the quran etc is a very intensive and people are dead set on this due to the promise of paradise,every action you take must be accounted for lest god take it into account during the day of judgement

>Islamic golden age
Do you mean the Persian golden age?

>>3084559
they ran out of persian intellectuals

>>3084577
THIS THIS THIS.

>>3084891
Salat is like 30 min a day habibi, and even disregarding how it benefits the soul, the serenity it provides is enough to pay the effort.

>>3084896
>who is ibn khaldun

>>3084891
5 times a day where 3 of it is in very critical and productive time of the day,not to mention friday prayers. Was a moslem for 17 years and never get this praying makes you more at peace

The effects of incest compound over time