Did the Spartan hoplites exist during the Roman conquest of Greece?

>>3078933
they had more trouble with the homoerotic Corinthian's than they did the Spartans , the Spartans didn't have any numbers

>>3078933
Sparta got BTFO by Thebes and their Sacred Band (an elite unit of 600 gays), and became a second tier power overnight.

By the times the Romans conquered Greece, Sparta was a small city. However, the city was rejuvenated by Romans who were interested in the history and mythos of old Sparta, and the natives basically wewuzzed themselves into something resembling prosperity by catering to the Romans.

>>3078933
no, the Spartan military system had already been destroyed by the time Rome took over Greece. It was only possible to have a class of full time warriors because they were supported by their helot slaves. But when Thebes defeated Sparta they forced them to free the helots which made their way of life no longer possible. Their numbers had also been so badly reduced that Sparta was little more than a village.

As the other anon said when Rome took over they had a huge interest in Sparta because of its history so paid for it to be rebuilt as something of a tourist site with Spartans making a living as what we might now consider to be historical reenactors. Later on they were even fully subsidized by Rome to rebuild their ancient traditions of the Spartan military system in return for fighting in the roman army. Caracalla even raised a unit solely of soldiers from Sparta and armed them with the traditional weapons and armor of Spartan Hoplites and put them in his vanguard against the Parthians. That might be the only time in history when military reenactors actually fought in war.

>>3078944
>>3078950
>>3078971

Really interesting, thanks! Why was Sparta's population reduced?

>>3078990
pedophile culture mixed with a large chunk of their population being helots "slaves"

>>3078971
>Caracalla's war
Wasn't that an extremely short lived invasion of the Parthian Empire? And didn't most of the fighting involve Caracalla's legions just attacking Parthian towns and cities in Mesopotamia?

>>3078990
1. demographic challenges - couples didn't live together which made it harder for men to get their wives pregnant, any children that appeared to have physical imperfections were slaughtered, anyone who washed out of Spartan military training (and there were many) was basically cast out of society and not allowed to marry or have a family

2. constant warfare took a serious toll on their manpower which for the reasons above grew at a slower rate than their rivals

3. an earthquake in 464 BC had a devastating death toll, killing perhaps a third or more of the Spartan elite, it also triggered a major slave uprising

>>3079001
he also used a group of soldiers from Macedon who were using a phalanx like the kind that were used by Alexander's armies

>>3079021

Were they wrecked? I can't imagine them doing too well against Parthian cataphracts and horse archers.

>>3079021
>>3078971

it's like he was trying to build a retarded min-maxed army in total war.

>>3079027
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_war_of_Caracalla

Caracalla's basically cunt. He wanted a pretext for invading the Parthian Empire by demanding the desposed emperor's brother, the one who took the throne, daughter's hand in marriage. After months of constant refusal, the ruler agrees to it. When they go to the wedding site, Caracalla basically attacks unarmed ruler's family and supporters with a sneak attack, then the Parthians retreat to their mountain holdings in the Iranian plateau to prepare to counter-attack while Caracalla spends like two years just running around attacking cities and ransacking towns. He then claims he won the war without actually fighting the Parthians in a pitched battle and gets assassinated while pissing on a road back to Rome and Rome is forced to pay the Parthians a fuck ton of money which leads to the rise of the Persians again.

>>3079004
also i think spartans during early hellenistic times lead mercenary armies
Tainaron became a place were every macedonia king recruited

>>3078933
Post-classical Greece was a period of Athens-Sparta-Thebes teaming up on and backstabbing each other to keep everyone in check so there could be no regional superpower.

This obviously stunted their growth and allowed for burgeoning powers like Macedon and Rome to play them on easy mode.

>>3078971
>Later on they were even fully subsidized by Rome to rebuild their ancient traditions of the Spartan military system in return for fighting in the roman army.
did they do well?

Are there any decent illustrations/figurines/infographics of Hellenic hoplites throughout time?

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>>3079371
yea

>>3079397
Link to a PDF? I'd also be open to buy a book, I've been looking at a few osprey ones but I'm not sure which one is the best for Ancient Greek hoplites.

>>3079501
https://www.amazon.com/Pylos-Sphacteria-425-BC-disaster/dp/1782002715
https://ospreypublishing.com/store/military-history/period-books/ancient-warfare/the-greek-and-persian-wars-500-323-bc-pb
https://ospreypublishing.com/greek-hoplite-480-323-bc-pb
https://ospreypublishing.com/the-ancient-greeks-pb

>>3079246
Not really no

>>3078971
>But when Thebes defeated Sparta they forced them to free the helots which made their way of life no longer possible. Their numbers had also been so badly reduced that Sparta was little more than a village.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that happened before the conquest of Greece by Phillip, and Pyrrhus of Epirus was killed attacking Sparta as he wanted to benefit from the spartan king being away. If that's accurate and Pyrrhus campaigned both in Italy and Greece long after Phillip then how could the Spartans have been completely reduced by Thebes and then much later still been a threat Pyrrhus preferred to avoid in open battle?

>>3078933
>hoplites exist during the Roman conquest of Greece
Hellenic armies by then had adapted since classical antiquity and adopted the thureophoroi and later thorakitai soldiers as the mainstay of their armies. These were light spearmen that doubled as skirmishers and were capable of fighting in a phalanx formation with a large celtic inspired shield. The thorakitai were similar but better armored.

We're the tunics really that short? Did they wear underwear under those?

How heavy were those shields?

>>3079758
Yes, no and oh my yes.

>>3078971
Sounds like something movie-worthy. The Last Spartans.

does someone have the pic of a spartan shield thats been shoot to shit by slingers, i think the shield is from a battle where thay lost against a army almost composed only of slingers

>>3079526
I've done some research on them and apparently these get a lot of stuff wrong so I'm not sure whether I should get them or not

>>3079758
Greeks loved to show off their manly thighs.
Romans were always kind of ashamed to.

>>3080018
It would most likely be a comedy staring Rowan Atkinson though

>>3080758
>>3079854
Thanks anons.

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>>3080217
unfortunate
since they usually have great artist and illustration
would love to see silver shields and agema illustration