Is there an actual answer to the problem of evil or did the Cathars

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>>3078121
If you're unfamiliar with it pic related is basically the problem of evil

>inb4 edgy teen

And Catharism was a dualist christian sect that essentially said everything in the world was irredeemably evil.

There is obligation to accept God as omnibenevolent, which is itself often a manifestation of an Abrahamic theology, which again is not obligatorily mandated to believe in God.

"Everything happens for a reason" is the best you can do.

>>3078201
>"Everything happens for a reason" is the best you can do.
That's a pretty shitty justification ttytt

>>3078121
God helps those who help themselves (and each other).

If you want Christian religion go read the "Power of Positive Thinking" by Norman Vincent Peale. Religion can be useful as a moral and psychological tool that creates strong and healthy communities.

The only reason I'm not an atheist is because the existence or nonexistence is a boring and useless question.

>>3078121
Yes, see the book of Job. You don't have the right to question God.

>>3078213
FYI that book will tell you how to act. Which is more useful than how to feel.

>>3078213
>God helps those who help themselves (and each other).
Gee I wonder how I could have helped myself with that freak fire that took my family and livelihood away.

>>3078234
Jus like bee urself and don't worry be happy an shieet mang.

>>3078247
But if I do what makes me happy I go to jail.

>Create universe which is independent of you
>Create beings with free will
>Wait several thousand years
>Resurrect all the beings who didn't choose to ruin themselves in 70 years despite being intended to be immortal.
>Rebuild universe from the ground up to house the immortals.

This is Christian theology. Find a flaw in this plan.

>Protip: You can't.

>>3078169
>everything in the world is irredeemably evil

Well that kind of would explain it.

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>>3078217
>See the Little Red Book, you don't have a right to question Mao

Basically the same thing. Its just a book

>>3078281
Why would a benevolent god make that world though?

>>3078272
The word "ruin" in there is pretty fucking ambiguous

>>3078272
>Create universe which is independent of you
>Create beings with free will
>Tell them twice the right way to live
>Wait several thousand years
>Resurrect all the beings who didn't choose to ruin themselves in 70 years despite being intended to be immortal.
>Rebuild universe from the ground up to house the immortals.

This is Christian theology. Find a flaw in this plan.

>Protip: You can't.

>>3078303
>largest religion on earth is the one you made
>second largest is bad fanfiction of the one you made

At what point exactly do I start finding the flaw in this plan?

>>3078294
No that's the point. Gnostics and Marcionites have a concept of dystheism where the creator of the world isn't the absolute and we are saved from the flawed creation.

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>>3078303
>no the people in hell aren't immortal because they are in pain

>>3078121
The religious answer to the problem of evil is free will.

The problem is that the concept of free will has a lot of problems itself.

>>3078169
The second point is wrong.
God does not prevent evil because to do otherwise would be to trivialize free will.

>>3078325
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>>3078313
>>Protip: You can't.

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>>3078272
>Create universe

Already did

Sure, there's plenty of answers.

Islam goes with "Yahweh will hurt you if you don't do what he says, who cares about good and evil". Judaism throws that in with a dash of "Yahweh made you as part of his Master Race, so good is what benefits you as part of the group".

Zoroastrianism posits that evil comes from a second entity that is locked in combat with the entity from which good arises. It's up to humanity to decide who wins (Hint: It's the good guy).

Various Indo-European Pagan religions get around it by the Gods not being omnipotent/omnipresent/omniscient in the same way that Yahweh is. This leads to the Euthyphro dilemma of course, but that's neither here nor there.

Buddhism and Hinduism side step it entirely by laughing at "evil" as it is a pointless notion for several reasons, although both have historical answers to it independent of any deities.

Christianity has several answers, and pretty much all of them are shit because Christianity is schizophrenic.

>>3078337
What if a sinner removes free will from a victim and forces them to act in a sinful manner? Does God hold the free will of the sinner in higher regard than the free will deprived the victim? Or how about evil devoid of will like disease, drought or natural calamity?

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>>3078363
>Implying God really cares if people can be personally accountable for their actions.

>>3078394
Picture is of the plague brought upon Israel due to David conducting an unlawful census.

>>3078403
That seems retarded

>>3078121
There is no omnipotent good God as we envision and evil is realative.

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>>3078334

Religion is like AA. If you work the program you find that it actually is useful both personally and socially.

>>3078363

There is scientific evidence that a tumor can make you into a mass murderer or a pedophile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-07-28-pedophile-tumor_x.htm

Also drugs like Saphris can make you lose interest in having sex and looking at porn.

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>>3078441

Yes, very useful.

>>3078169
>is he able but not willing?
>then he is malevolent
full retard

>>3078612
Sometimes you have to go full retard for the truth. It needn't be maximally complicated and subtle

>Catharism

Don't you mean dualist Gnostic sects? Also, Marcionism.

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>>3078643
>this is what retards actually believe

>>3078121
>>3078169
He is able but not willing as it would destroy the concept of free will, and He loves His children.

>>3078252
That kind of happiness harms others, and goes against the helping each other section.

Happiness does not need to come from the most depraved acts and it can be felt from even living.

World sucks
Humans suck
Life in general sucks


If there was a benevolent super advanced alien race somewhere they woul be dedicated to the complete sterilization of the universe before offing themselves.

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>>3079217
Indeed

>>3079217
see
>>3078363

>>3078452
*writes down "Saphris*

I'm free I'm free!