>Came out from Judaism. >Teaches original sin, the Trinity,

It possibly took a bunch of things from European Paganism.

>>3072876
The Jews who realized that Yehoshua was the promised messiah became Christians.

The Jews who failed to realize that Yehoshua was the promised messiah did not.

Same holds true today.

(By the way, the fall of man, the original sin; the trinity; the virgin birth; and an eternal place of torment for sinners is all in Judaism; it's all in the Old Testament.)

>>3072876

Buddhism came from Hinduism but has all kinds of fundamental differences. In the case of Christianity, it's only half true that it came from Judaism. The books are Jewish, but the rites and doctrines of the churches are pure Greek.

>>3072909

>The Jews who realized that Yehoshua was the promised messiah became Christians.

the fisherman who weren't educated in judaism

>The Jews who failed to realize that Yehoshua was the promised messiah did not.

doesn't he not fit the requirements of the messiah in Judaism?

>(By the way, the fall of man, the original sin; the trinity; the virgin birth; and an eternal place of torment for sinners is all in Judaism; it's all in the Old Testament.)

examples?

>>3072942
Nicodemus, a member of the Sanhedrin, became a Christian as did many of the pharisees.

Jesus fulfilled every messianic prophecy that was ripe.

Jews argue that because He has not yet fulfilled the prophecies that are not yet ripe, that He was not the messiah.

That error comes from not realizing that Yeshoshua, Jesus, is still the Messiah; He is still alive; and He is still fulfilling all of the prophecies of the Messiah as they become ripe.

The Kingdom Age prophecies were not fulfilled because Israel rejected and murdered the messiah. Had they received Jesus as their messiah; had they know the very day the Messiah was going to show up, riding on a colt (Palm Sunday, 32 AD), you and I would never have been born.

>>3072909
Uhhh..... >>3056640

>>3072942
>examples

Let Us create mankind in Our image.....and God created mankind in His image.....
>Plural, yet One.

And the Spirit of God hovered over the deep
>The third member of the Trinity

And Adam and Eve ate of the fruit, and their eyes were opened and they realized they were naked, and covered themselves with fig leaves.
>The spiritual death of Adam and Eve caused the Holy Spirit and His glory to depart from them. Moses was in God's presence far less than Adam and Eve, and they had to put cloth over Moses so they could sleep at night.

>The way to see the death is to know God does not lie; "the very day you eat this fruit you will die" yet they lived for centuries, physically. So the death was spiritual; a separation from God. The Holy Spirit in them, fled. And from that day on, they could only have children in their own fallen and dead image, not in the image of God.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. (God with us)

Isaiah 66:24 “And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”

>>3072962
I'm aware that the Jews who reject Jesus write documents supporting their position.

What this man said the messiah was to do, is not in the tanakh.

Jesus was expressly written of by Daniel in that Daniel prophesied that 483 years after the proclamation to rebuild the temple would be made, the messiah would be cut off. Killed. Not for his own sake, but for the sake of his brothers.

The Jews after Jesus were blinded by God; a veil was put over their hearts so that they cannot understand Moses and the prophets. If this man never repented and came to know the messiah, Jesus, as his Lord and Savior, he is in Hades right now awaiting trial to be cast into hell.

I suggest not taking him for an expert on Christianity. Or Judaism, for that matter.

>>3072977
>Isaiah 7:14

The original Hebrew says it's a young woman, not a "virgin."

>>3072959

>The Kingdom Age prophecies were not fulfilled because Israel rejected and murdered the messiah. Had they received Jesus as their messiah; had they know the very day the Messiah was going to show up

Isn't the whole point of jesus in Christianity was that he died to solve the original sin? He was destined to, he doesn't fit their requirements

>>3072876
>Came out from Judaism
Enough said. Everything else it has to say goes to the trash.

>>3072989
Because Isaiah's wife was not a virgin.

Unto us a child is born - Isaiah and his wife
Unto us a son is given - Jesus to the Hebrews

It's a double prophecy. Both the wife and Mary were young women, but only Mary was a virgin. So the double prophecy has young woman.

However, the Greek translation rendered it "virgin" as a boy being married to a young woman would not be a sign to the world.

It would be an ordinary occurrence that happens multiple times an hour.

>>3072989
More than that, it also says that "Ha-almah" conceived some time in the past and will give birth in the future, i.e. she is pregnant right at this moment, when Isaiah is uttering the prophecy, not some time in the future. It also uses a masculine "Hara" as opposed to the feminine "Horah", i.e. she was inseminated, by a man.

>>3072992
He would have died the other way too.

World B: The Jews recognize and accept their Messiah.

Jesus still gets arrested by Rome, still tried for treason, claims to be a king, gets crucified, rises from the dead, and establishes the kingdom.

Note even his apostles were asking him if he was going to establish the kingdom soon.

Jesus had to die on a cross to fulfill prophecy and to provide humanity a perfect sacrifice to satisfy God's holiness, justice and righteousness.

>>3073002
Yes, by Isaiah.

>>3072998
>It's a double prophecy. Both the wife and Mary were young women, but only Mary was a virgin. So the double prophecy has young woman.
So how is the other half of the double prophecy supposed to work. Before Jesus was old enough to tell the difference between good and evil, how did the kings that Ahaz was afraid of cease to bother him? You know, the actual prediction of the prophecy.

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>>3072984
>The Jews after Jesus were blinded by God; a veil was put over their hearts so that they cannot understand Moses and the prophets. If this man never repented and came to know the messiah, Jesus, as his Lord and Savior, he is in Hades right now awaiting trial to be cast into hell.

I'm not even Jewish, but damn Christians are assholes. You guys basically ruined their religion, threw in a bunch of bullshit not even present in Judaism, then claim that they will all burn in fire for eternity for not accepting them.

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Satan happened

Modern jews are from caucasus that follow the satanic doctrine of Kabbalah and Talmud

>>3073016
That was the fulfillment of the first prophecy, not the second. Isaiah's son. It was a time frame.

Open your eyes, Jew. YHWH is coming.

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>>3073021
'',..Behold A Great Red Dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads,.''' Rev 12:3

https://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/current/cgi/query.pl

Coordinates: 13 48 1.0, -8 28 20.5"
IRAS micron 100

>>3073020
Shit happens.

>>3073024
While the heavens are for signs, the symbolic nature of that statement is that the devil is in control of the 10 kingdoms of the world, his man the antichrist having supplanted 3 of those 10 rulers (hence 7 crowns, but still 10 kingdoms), and controlling the beast that is the final kingdom, the 10 toed kingdom of iron and broken pottery.

What you're looking at is not a picture of what is in the heavens, but a distortion and an amalgamation of pictures of what was in the heavens.

>>3073020
>Jews kill our Savior
>We're the assholes

Fuck off Shlomo. Jews deserve every second in Hell they will burn. For eternity. Generations and generations of Hell. How does it feel knowing the Nazis are in heaven while the Jews are suffering in fire forever?

>>3073037
The balls on their rabbi to say that the Messiah is the Son of Perdition is just breathtaking. Truly the Synagogue of Satan was well named.

>>3073023
So, in other words, the part of the "double prophecy' that actually predicts something isn't part of the second half, only the first half?

Is it just you, or is all Christian apologetics this bad?

>>3073037
Actually the Romans killed Jesus

and Jesus also said he was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel and non-Jews are dogs

>>3073043
>The balls on their rabbi to say that the Messiah is the Son of Perdition

The Jews will really suffer for that statement. Until they accept the Messiah, they are doomed to suffer.

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>>3073036
its still a sign of the armageddon
repent now

>>3073053
>Actually the Romans killed Jesus

Because the Jews begged him too. They knew he was the Messiah and decided to kill him for it.

>>3073056
Why would the Jews even want Jesus dead? Claiming to be the messiah is something that would piss of the Romans, not the Jews

>>3073045
It's both. Isaiah's son's birth was apparently also something of a miracle. But it was the timetable that was important to the hearer of the prophecy.

The secondary part of the prophecy would not be fulfilled until everyone hearing it was dead. Kind of hard to tell if a man is a prophet of God or full of shit if all of his prophecies are to come true after everyone is dead.

>>3073055
Don't need to, thanks. I already agree with God on everything.

>>3073062
>Why would the Jews even want Jesus dead?

Because they hate God, they are satanists. They KNEW Jesus was God, that is the reason they killed Him. They wanted to feel powerful.

>>3073062
Keep following that road. Jesus continues to gather bigger and bigger crowds trying to crown him king, Rome gets pissed off, Rome obliterates Israel.

Their head rabbi said "better one man die than the country".

Most times, he'd be right. This time he was dead bang wrong.

Besides the existential threat, the people loved and were following Jesus, and Jesus was exposing the pharisees and elders as corrupt evil hypocrites. Jesus threatened their positions in society, and eventually their lives.

So they decided it was better for Jesus to die for His beliefs than that they die for theirs.

>>3073056
yeah, like they begged the Romans to kill all those other messianic claimants like Bar Kokhba.

>>3073065
>It's both. Isaiah's son's birth was apparently also something of a miracle.
What on earth makes you think that? It's completely unnecessary to the narrative.

>But it was the timetable that was important to the hearer of the prophecy
Precisely, a timetable that's fulfilled in the immediate future, hundreds of years before Jesus is walking around.

> Kind of hard to tell if a man is a prophet of God or full of shit if all of his prophecies are to come true after everyone is dead.
It's also kind hard to tell if there "secondary part of the prophecy" is really meant to be in there when you have to deliberately mistranslate it on at least three separate points, and ignore half of it outright to get it to apply to Jesus. By the way, whoever called him Immanuel?

>>3073082
In verse 13, Isaiah turns from addressing Ahaz as an individual and addresses the entire house of David. The English language does not distinguish between “you” addressed to one person and “you” addressed too many people. In Hebrew there is a difference, and there is a clear change between the singular :you” of verses 9,11,16,17 and the plural “you” of verses 13-14. The sign therefore is not just for Ahaz, but for the whole house of David. This becomes clear if we state the passage again with the singular [s] and the plural [pl] words indicated:

“Then the Lord spoke again to Ahaz, saying, “Ask a sign for yourself [s] from the Lord your God; make it deep as Sheol or high as heaven.” But Ahaz said “I will not ask, nor will I test the Lord!” Then he said “Listen now, O house of David! Is it too slight a thing for you [pl] to try the patience of men, that you [pl] will try the patience of my God as well? “Therefore the Lord Himself will give you [pl] a sign: Behold, a virgin shall be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. “He will eat curds and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good. 16 “For before the boy will know enough to refuse evil and choose good, the land whose two kings you [s] dread will be forsaken. The Lord will bring on you [s], on your people, and on your father’s house such days as have never come since the day that Ephraim separated from Judah, the King of Assyria.”

In verse 14, the Hebrew word for ‘behold’ is a word which draws attention to an event which could be past, present, or future. However, grammatically, whenever “behold” is used with the Hebrew present particle, it always refers to a future event. That is the case here. Not only is the birth future, but the very conception is future.

>>3073122
The key point of this should not be missed. God is promising that the House of David cannot be deposed or lose its identity until the birth of a virgin-born son. Again, this requires that Messiah be born prior to the destruction of the temple and its genealogical records in 70AD.

Who called Jesus "God with us"? How about His most beloved disciple?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
...
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

>>3073105
Islam is just a offshoot Arabic christian cult that came into being 600 years after Christianity.

>>3073127

How could anything God does be idolatry?

>>3073127
Do you any zero understanding of what a Kinsman Redeemer is?

>>3073070

Why would they think he was God? Wasn't Jesus saying and doing things that were against the Torah which is the word of God?

>>3073122
>In verse 13, Isaiah turns from addressing Ahaz as an individual and addresses the entire house of David
And you're drawing this from what exactly? There's more than one person in the House of David, and they're all in the government, what with the whole "hereditary monarchy" thing that was in vogue at the time..


>However, grammatically, whenever “behold” is used with the Hebrew present particle, it always refers to a future event.
But it ISN'T being used with a present particle. The immediately following verb is הָרָה, which is most definitely preterite. If you wanted it with a present/future (Biblical Hebrew uses a very fuzzy distinction between the two) it would be הֲרוֹת

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>>3073024
Happeningfags are the JW's of 4chan

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>>3073168
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fuck of shill

>>3073105
>christianity is just Judaism for the goyim
Ftfy

>>3073128
>God is promising that the House of David cannot be deposed or lose its identity until the birth of a virgin-born son.
No, God is promising כִּי בְּטֶרֶם יֵדַע הַנַּעַר, מָאֹס בָּרָע--וּבָחֹר בַּטּוֹב: תֵּעָזֵב הָאֲדָמָה אֲשֶׁר אַתָּה קָץ, מִפְּנֵי שְׁנֵי מְלָכֶיהָ
בִיא יְהוָה עָלֶיךָ, וְעַל-עַמְּךָ וְעַל-בֵּית אָבִיךָ, יָמִים אֲשֶׁר לֹא-בָאוּ, לְמִיּוֹם סוּר-אֶפְרַיִם מֵעַל יְהוּדָה: אֵת, מֶלֶךְ אַשּׁוּר.

Safety from the Assyrians and the breakaway northern Israelites is what is being promised, not Messianic salvation.


>Who called Jesus "God with us"? How about His most beloved disciple?

I don't see Emmanuel in there. I see a Greek writing anonymous author decades after the fact scribbling it in. Considering John can't even tell the difference between Hebrew and Aramaic (Like in 19:13), it makes things very dubious.

Furthermore, you're not using it as a name. If John's beginning can be used to claim that Jesus was the "Immunel" of Isaiah's prophecy, than anyone else the OT describes as being "with God" equally applies, from Enoch down to the tribe of Levi mentioned in Malachai.

>>3073159
He did things only God could do; healed lepers, blind men from birth, cripples, palsied, cast out demons from a deaf dumb and blind man, calmed storms, fed 10,000 people with one kid's lunch; Jesus proved He was God to those willing to accept what they were seeing Him do; the works of the Father.

Jesus taught the torah in the Temple, by his own authority, and amazed the Jews with his wisdom. He never did anything or said anything contrary to the torah/tanakh.

He did, however, obliterate the Pharisaical Judaism that the Jews created in Babylon in order to never again be taken captive; rules to live by that had very little if anything to do with the torah.

>>3073163
The singular, Ahaz, to the plural, the House of David. The part directed to Ahaz, and then the part directed to the House of David.

Are you the coward who erased all his prior posts?

>>3073207
Both.

Double prophecy.

Jesus is called "God with us" by all who love Him.

You Jews can keep calling the devil your father for all I care.

>>3073211

Any proof that he did any of those things? Herakles and Dionysos did all kinds of magic tricks too, no evidence for any of them either, so why do yu dismiss those but accept the claims about Jess?

>>3073241
>Herakles and Dionysos

No proof you would be capable of understanding.

>>3072959
He didn't fulfill the role of a Messiah at all. For a good idea of what a Messiah is supposed to be, look at Cyrus the Great. He brought the Jews back to Israel and helped them rebuild the temple.

A Messiah isn't some spiritual savior bullshit, it's somebody who restored Israel to the Jews and their sovereignty.

>>3073211
>rules to live by that had very little if anything to do with the torah

Not true at all. Parts of the Torah make absolutely no sense without the Oral Torah. If you don't know this it's because you haven't bothered to even look into it.

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>>3073274
this. A Messiah was never supposed to be God.

>>3073287
Fuck off Satan.
>"If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death." - Libbre David 37

You are religiously mandated to lie to us when it comes to the Talmud.

>>3073274
>>3073288
Could Hitler have been a Messiah if he rebuilt the temple? >>3073148

>>3073268
What's so hard to understand? You either have or you don't.

>>3073297
Yep.

>>3073010

You completely misunderstand what the Messiah is. If the Jews had accepted Jesus, it would have meant open revolt against the Romans, an all-out war to drive all gentiles from Israel. There's a reason the Romans wrote "king of the Jews" so mockingly over his cross, because that's exactly what he aspired to be by claiming to be a Messiah.

>>3073312
Why was he so stupid? He would have accomplished the same goal, and make friends with everyone.

>>3073294
Where can I actually find this book, from what I can tell somebody just pulled this quote out of their ass.

>>3073294
Please, go onto wikipedia and their compendium of Talmudic books and show me where "Libbre David" is.

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>>3073294
You got (((me))). I guess I have to expose your New Testament now.
>Jimmy 1:12 - "Kill the non-Christians wherever you find them"
>Frank 4:35 - "Fight against those who do not obey Jesus and do not believe in Jesus or the Last Day."

Christians believe this shit LMAO

>>3073036
>>3073024
>the ravings of a literal lunatic
>no different than the thousands of apocryphal revelations that were rightly excluded from the Bible
>left in solely because it was erroneously believed to be authored by John the Baptist
>people have died over this shit

smdh

>>3073217
>The singular, Ahaz, to the plural, the House of David. The part directed to Ahaz, and then the part directed to the House of David.
Except Jesus would not be directed ot the house of David, but rather to everyone.

>Are you the coward who erased all his prior posts?
nope.

>>3073220
No, seriously, where in Isaiah 7 are we hearing "God promising the house of David cannot be deposed or lose its identity"? You made that up, just the way your ilk makes up other nonsense to justify shoehorning Jesus into prophecies that don't mention him at all.

>>3073211
Or raise the dead, like Elisha did while being dead himself! Elisha must be God!

>He never did anything or said anything contrary to the torah/tanakh.
Well, you know, other than ignoring Kashrut laws, or eating a paschal lamb he wasn't around for the sacrifice for.

>>3073056

Show me one single instance of a Roman governor asking a crowd of locals for their opinion on justice? Absolute nonsense, the Romans had an excellent reason to execute him as a rebel, yet they ask a mob if they want to free a murderer or a rebel? Pure fairytale, the Romans would have just crucified both.

>>3073366
OY

>>3073366
Don't forget that the "other guy" is named "Jesus Barrabas", i.e. Jesus, son of the father.

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>>3073366
It's because Pontus Pilate knew something was different with Jesus. He and his wife didn't want to Crucify him. They knew he was God. The Jews, however, we're fine with him dying. They screamed for it to happen, and even said the blood was on their children. They don't get to play the victim now like they didn't do what they did.

>>3073394
>he can only cite the Bible as source

>>3072942
Nigga the Trinity isn't even in the NT. It's pure fanfic.

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>>3073394
>Pontus Pilate knew something was different with Jesus
>They knew he was God

>>3073396
There are 10 different sources (Simon, Andrew, James, John, Philip, Thaddeus, Bartholomew, Thomas, James, Matthew, Judas Iscariot) along with Josephus, Tacitus, The Talmud, Suetonius and Mara bar Sarapion.

>>3073413

So ancient Wikipedia?

>>3073413
So, the Bible.

I'd like to see these alleged statements in Josephus, Tacitus, the Talmud, Suetonius, and Mara bar Sarapion; offhand, I can't think of any of them mentioning both Jesus and Pilate together at all.

Jews never believed that Jesus was the Messiah for a number of reasons. In Judaism there are requirements the Messiah has to fullfil to be acceptet as the Messiah and Jesus fullfiled none of them. You caan read about these requirements in the Mishne Torah.

>>3073441
>t. Baal worshipper

Not true at all. There's a reason Messianic Judaism is one of the most popular religions among Jews. It's because Jesus was the Messiah, he is still fulfilling more of the promises each day.

>>3073452
This is not true.
Messianic Judaism is a very tinny sect and not a large movement.

>>3073274
You speak as a fool who does not know that Jesus, the Messiah, is alive.

And still doing the things of the Messiah.

He will not miss one single jot nor tittle.

>>3073287
The oral torah, as you say, is garbage.

>>3073288
Who but God can die for his brothers, and at the same time set up an everlasting throne?

>>3073475
Prove it.

>>3073303
The proof is in the inerrant and authoritative Word of God.

Something you are incapable of understanding.

>>3073477
The oral torah is as man-made as the old and the new testament and every "holy" book

>>3073319
It wasn't done mockingly at all. The Jews asked Pilate to change it to "He said he was the King of the Jews", and Pilate refused. He wrote truly; Jesus truly is the King of the Jews.

You completely misunderstand what the Messiah is. If the Jews had accepted Jesus, it would have meant open revolt against the Romans, an all-out war to drive all gentiles from Israel.

That Jesus would have won.

>>3073475
You sound like my Evangelical father. I tried to check him on this and he just told me Jesus is the brains behind Israel. He told me that Jesus is allowing Israel to defeat her enemies and soon all the Jews will be in Israel and the second coming will commence. Pretty fucking dumb if you ask me.

>>3073357
Jesus is the Root of David, and sits on David's throne forever.

Jesus is the King David referred to, as in "The Lord said to my Lord..."

>>3073485
The Bhagavad Gita or the Koran? Which authoritative word of god?

>>3073357
The genealogical records were destroyed with the Temple in 70 AD. Prior to that, everyone knew whether or not they were of the House of David.

After that, not so much. You, for instance, have no idea who you are.

The dead raised prior to Christ were also raised by Jesus, and they died again.

Jesus did not die again, but rose bodily in a new form, eternal, and much better than the one He died in. Then He ascended living into heaven.

While Elijah ascended living into heaven, he did not die first but was translated, like Enoch.

>>3073366
Sure glad you know Pilate's business better than Pilate.

>>3073393
Just Barabbas, which means Son of the Father. A likely pseudonym as the man was caught in a rebellion murdering someone. He was the option because Pilate really did want to let Jesus go free, but really did not want the Jews to tell Caesar he let Jesus go free.

>>3073437
Tacitus absolutely does.

>>3073505
>The genealogical records were destroyed with the Temple in 70 AD.

No they weren't. Idk where this came from but people always repeat it for no reason. You realize the vast majority of Jews were outside of the Holy land, right?

>>3073441
Jesus fulfilled every single messianic prophecy that was ripe.

Because He was rejected and murdered by His people, the Kingdom Age prophecies are now in our future, not in the past.

>>3073490
Both the old and new testaments were inspired by the Holy Spirit of God Who indwelled each of the 40 or so men who wrote its 66 books over about 1500 years.

The oral tradition of the Jews is a joke. Ask two Jews on anything, get three answers.

>>3073493
God will do what He said He will do, and one of those things is to put all real Jews into Israel, which of course He caused to be reborn after 1850 years. Just as prophesied.

>>3073497
There is only one God, and only one bible.

>>3073505
There is no proof for any kinds of wonders done by a men calles Jesus and the Gospels where created in the years 60-120, before 200 there was not even a Canon.

>>3073485
Come on man. Any religion can and do say that their scripture is the authoritative word of god. How do you know yours is correct? How would you falsify that? What criterion would you use that would demonstrate theirs is wrong and your is true? Don't you ask yourself that question? What if you were born in India, how would you be able to falsify the Gita and prove the Bible is correct for yourself? Your soul being at stake.

>>3073515
The record keepers were in the Temple. Which was burned and utterly destroyed with not one stone left upon another.

Just as Jesus said would happen.

>>3073526
Gospels were written well before that, and the new testament finished by 95 AD.

>>3073525
>>3073529

>>3073522
Where is your proof for a this rather spectacular statement anon?

>>3073529
They can lie, sure. The bible proves it is the word of God by containing prophecies that come true 100% of the time. About 30% of the bible is prophecy, and all biblical prophecies come true. 100%.

As the bible is the story of the world from beginning to end, only someone who can see the end from the beginning can write it. Only God knows the end from the beginning.

Hence the bible is the only God inspired book on the planet.

>>3073530
No they weren't. You are clueless. You're pulling shit out of your ass.

>>3073513
Tacitus says Jesus was executed under the authority of Pilate. He doesn't say anything about them actually meeting, let alone having a private conversation. And he absolutely doesn't say anything about how Pilate regarded him.

>>3073533
The oldest gospel in todays canon is the gospel of Mark which was written in the 60

>>3073537
>>3073542

The bible is self-proving.

>>3073545
kek

The temple was the center of everything.

>>3073545
>You're pulling shit out of your ass.
This thread is nothing but Christian shitposting, are you really surprised?

This entire board has been flooded with Christian shitposters for the past few days.

>>3073548
Exactly.

The most famous Roman historian of all time says that Pilate ordered Jesus to be crucified.

>>3073533
John is usually dated to around 135AD

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>>3073542
>The bible proves it is the word of God by containing prophecies that come true 100% of the time. About 30% of the bible is prophecy, and all biblical prophecies come true.

That's not true. I can show you contemporary prophecies that came true - but you'd just ignore them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py10Xs63ewA

>>3073550
Nope. It's already been pushed into the 40's, and Matthew is first.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

For a reason. For thousands of years before Bart Ehrman was born.

>>3073551
How is the Bible self-proving?
Allmost all historical referenses in the Bible are wrong according to modern archeology!

>>3073558
Making John, what, 135 years old? When nobody had lived to be over 120 years old for thousands of years?

kek

The Revelation was written in 95 AD.

>>3073496
Nnnnope. Can't have that and claim him to be the direct son of God too.

>>3073505
>The genealogical records were destroyed with the Temple in 70 AD
What "Geneological records"? They never kept geneological records in the Temple, and I have no idea why you think they would have.

>Prior to that, everyone knew whether or not they were of the House of David.
Funnily enough, the House of David pre-dates the Temple, so clearly you can have one without the other.

>The dead raised prior to Christ were also raised by Jesus, and they died again.
Doesn't say that anywhere in the Bible.

>>3073511
>I will ignore inconvienent manuscripts that explicitly say Jesus Barrabas
>I will ignore the odd construction of Matthew 27 where Pilate asks which one they want to realize, Barrabas or this other Jesus?
>No, he was just Barrabas.

You know what's more likely?
>The Passover Pardon, which is completely uncorroborated outside the Gospels; simply never existed.
>Pilate is not releasing anyone
>Jesus's followers, whom he clearly has a lot of in Jeruslaem since he can escape his antics in the Temple with impunity, are quite upset at Jesus's arrest, and surround the temple, demanding his release
>Good luck with that, boys: Pilate ignores them and crucifies Jesus.
>Most of the support dwindles away with the death of their leader, but a few hard core believers remain.
>Decades later, a mostly Greek-speaking Gentile audience has become the dominant strain of Christiantiy and are writing the Gospels.
>They don't like Jews. They do like the Romans, or at least want to avoid their wrath.
>Re-write the story to transfer blame away from the Roman Government and towards "The Jews", seemingly unaware of things like how the Sadducees were a minority position circa AD 30, or the difference between Hebrew and Aramaic.

>>3073554
Most Jews weren't even in Jerusalem. You're worse than those Muzzies who claim Jews are extinct and the Romans killed each last one in 70 AD even though there were millions of Jews in Alexandria and all throughout the Roman Empire.

>>3073560
Prophecies are not predictions.

>>3073564
Again, by telling the story of the world from beginning to end. By having a 100% prophetical track record. By being 30% prophecy.

>>3073567
They kept everything at the Temple. The Jews literally lost everything. All their records.

They should've accepted Jesus, he warned them and predicted what would happen.

>>3073562
From Wikipedia:Most scholars believe the Gospel of Matthew was composed between AD 80 and 90, with a range of possibility between AD 70 to 110 (a pre-70 date remains a minority view).

>>3073566
as in "John" isnt actually written by John disciple of jesus. none of the gospels claimed authorship is true

>>3073567
Both Mary and His adoptive stepfather descend from David. One through Nathan, and one through Solomon.

Both the Priest and the King line.

The House of David built the Temple.

Are you the Jew coward who erased all his prior idiotic posts?

>>3073573
So you dont belive in evolution?

>>3073569
At Passover/Feast of Unleavened bread EVERY SINGLE JEW WAS IN JERUSALEM unless it was physically impossible, of course.

>>3073573
>Isaiah 52:1

>>3073577
>muh wiki
>muh liberal scholars

>>3073542
>About 30% of the bible is prophecy, and all biblical prophecies come true. 100%.
That is a powerful argument. Indeed if it were true, then it would mean the case was closed. I fear however that it isn't. For example Jesus prophecized that he would come back within the lifetime of the apostles, and he didn't.

This site contains many more failed prophecies.
http://faithskeptic.50megs.com/prophecies.htm

Not to mention the scientific mistakes and historical falsities. I'm afraid that the Bible is not inerrant. In fact far from it. It errs a lot.

>>3073580
kek

The devil lies, boy. He's lying to you right now by telling you that the bible is a lie.

>Let's throw thousands of years of history away (on a history board!) because of muh liberal scholars.

>>3073585
Microevolution, sure.

Satanic evolution, of course not.

>>3073587
No because only the males above the age of 13 in an healthy condition had the obligation to visit the temple

>>3073587
You can't be this stupid, right? You believe that literally every Jew was in Jerusalem?

>>3073590
Gee, almost as though some sort of bad event is on the horizon for the Jews.

>>3073596
>Satanic evolution
ABORT. ABORT.

WE'RE BEING TROLLED.

>>3073595
Oh yeah then dont listen to reason because its "liberal"

>>3073601
>The uncircumcised and defiled will not enter you again.

What did he mean by this?

>>3073592
He did not say that, or make that prophecy.

Jesus said that someone listening to him then would not die until he saw Jesus descend in glory (the Second Coming).

That person was John, and John saw Jesus descend in glory (the Second Coming) before he died.

He also wrote about it, before he died.

In the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

>>3073475
And you have no clue what a Messiah is.

This whole proselytizing Christian meme is getting annoying.

>>3073582
>One through Nathan, and one through Solomon.
>Both the Priest and the King line.
wut. the priests traced their ancestory through Zadok, a levite. what in the OT connects Nathan son of David to the priests? i can't find any such reference.

>>3073597
Yes, all those parents traveled 100 miles to Jerusalem and left their children at home unattended.

kek

You people are absurd.

>>3073606
"reason" and "liberal" don't go together.

"muh feels" and "liberal" go together.

>>3073617
>You people are absurd.

You're the one who thinks that the Jews of Alexandria and Babylon all went to Jerusalem and were killed by the Romans. That's pretty fucking absurd to me.

>>3073608
That Greater Israel in the Millennial Kingdom will be Jew only.

EVERYONE FEEDING THE TROLL IS FUCKING STUPID.

>>3073556
And not

>Pilate knew Jesus was God
>Pilate didn't want to execute Jesus
>Pilate's wife interceded
>Pilate only did so from pressure of the mob of jerusalemite townsfolk riled up by evil priests.

He doesn't even say they met in person. Jeb Bush ordered 21 executions as governor, and he never met any of the condemned personally.

>>3073611
Yehoshua is the Anointed One of God.

>>3073619
My arguments are at least fact based, while your "arguments" are just silly traditions.

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>Temple gets BTFO by the Romans
To this day"""Jews""" still larp as Hebrews.

>>3073610
Except that's not what he says at all.

>Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
All these things shall e fulfilled, not seen in a vision, fulfilled.

>>3073574
>They kept everything at the Temple
No they dind't. Most Jews didn't even move back to Israel when you have Ezra re-settling things, and the biggest concentration of Jewish population at the time was in Iraq.

>The Jews literally lost everything. All their records.
And yet funnily enough, you know what survived? The BIBLE, which among other things, has a DAVIDIC GENEOLOGY. But everyone lost it and forgot!

>>3073582
>Both Mary and His adoptive stepfather descend from David.
And yet neither Luke nor Matthew mention Mary's genealogy at all. Which of course would be irrelevant anyway, as inheritance in Judaism is patrilineal and kingship is something inherited.

>Are you the Jew coward who erased all his prior idiotic posts?
I have no idea what you're talking about, but that's par for the course with you.

ITT: Nobody has read the Church Fathers

>>3073643
This post doesn't even make sense. Jews have a much better claim than any other group as being an "unbroken line," They preserved Aramaic and Hebrew for over a thousand years.

>>3073622
Show my posts that made such an assertion.

32 AD is not when the Romans attacked; that happened 38 years later.

If ANY Jew does not go to Passover in Jerusalem, HE IS CUT OFF FROM HIS PEOPLE.

>>3073631
You have one source with explicit detail.
You have a hostile source confirming the general details.

That you cannot put them both together is on your bias, and nothing else.

>>3073662
>32 AD
No one ever said 32 AD. I was talking about 70 AD
>If ANY Jew does not go to Passover in Jerusalem, HE IS CUT OFF FROM HIS PEOPLE.
This is the dumbest shit i've ever heard. You're confirmed either a troll or an actual autist.

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>>3073660
Their Religion is center around the Temple and not the fucking Language.
It's the fucking core.

>>3073636
Rubbish. You claim that none of the gospels were written by their authors.

Matthew, the tax collecting Levite and apostle of Jesus wrote Matthew;
John Mark, a young boy when Jesus was crucified, wrote Peter the apostle's account of what happened;
Luke, not an apostle, said he took other people's accounts and put them in "good order" for his friend Theophilus; and
John the beloved apostle wrote not only the Gospel according to John, but John 1, 2, and 3, and the Revelation.

Your "facts" are unsubstantiated bullshit lies.

>>3073644
That's a SECOND prophecy.

That generation is the generation who sees the Beginning of Sorrows.

YOUR generation, not to put too fine a point on it.

It's a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROPHECY.

>>3073667
You have one source with explicit details that are wholly implausible
You have another source that mentions secondhandedly that some guy was executed
That you think the two confirm each other, especially in details mentioned in neither, speaks to your much larger bias, so much so that you've essentially left clear thinking behind.

>>3073671
Which is of course why they dicked around in the Land for centuries before building said temple, existed just fine when it got sacked, most didn't bother to move back to Israel when they got permission to rebuild it, and then plodded along just fine when it got destroyed. Again.

So unbelievably central to the religion.

>>3073671
No it isn't. Learn something instead of speaking out of your ass. Obviously if Judaism has been practiced across the world for 2,000 years it really hasn't. Christcucks are so retarded sometimes it's painful to listen to.

>>3073651
Luke is Mary's genealogy. It has the articles in front of the names indicating it is a woman's genealogy, and it differs substantially from Matthew's genealogy of Joseph.

>>3073670
Numbers 9:13

'But the man who is clean and is not on a journey, and yet neglects to observe the Passover, that person shall then be cut off from his people, for he did not present the offering of the LORD at its appointed time That man will bear his sin.

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>>3073689
>>3073690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V006bX4mlu4
See for yourself watch this series of lectures.

>>3073689
I can't help you that reality is "implausible" to you. Your normalcy bias will have to be shed, or it will be taken from you.

>>3073701
>yet neglects to observe the Passover
You cite this to prove that Jews across the world were all forced to trek their way to Jerusalem each year?

If the Jews hate Christianity then it must have gotten something right. You don't have to believe in the whole thing. The OT is obviously bs.

>>3073692
>Luke is Mary's genealogy.
Which is why Mary is mentioned a grand total of 0 times in Luke's third chapter.

>It has the articles in front of the names indicating it is a woman's genealogy,
What are you talking about? It's just τοῦ over and over and over again. There is no article in front of any of the names indicating anything other than a chain.

>and it differs substantially from Matthew's genealogy of Joseph.
They also both substantially differ from the geneologies of the Davidic line in Chronicles. That seems more like they just had no idea what was going on than your "theory" that Luke is really giving a Marian geneology that he never once refers to as such.

>>3073712
If the OT is bs, so is the NT.

>>3073105
Islam is just Christianity for violent sand niggers

>>3073706
Adorable, out come the empty threats.

Oh wise anon, if there was a customary practice of releasing a prisoner every year on Passover, why do 0 non-gospel sources mention such a practice? We have lots of other details about Pilate from writers like Philo and Josephus, but nobody's talking about a pardon.

Why is it, that the "priests" are able to whip up a mob on such short notice, when previously they weren't able to get any kind of public support when Jesus ran amok in the temple and whipped a guy?

Who exactly gave the Sadducees, a minority opinion and only the majority in Jerusalem itself, the right to claim responsibility for all the the Jewish people?

What day did this happen on? After all, John and the Synoptics can't agree if Jesus was crucified around the same time the paschal lamb was offered (John) or the day after (The other three).

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Okay guys let us go study.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patristics

>>3073742
You realize each word of both the Old and New Testament were written by Jews, right? It's like saying Arabs hate the Qur'an, when they wrote it in the first place.

>>3073716 #
I have learned one thing. Whatever the Jews says is false is really true. Whatever the Jews say is bad is really good.

All you have to do is take the parts that the Jews don't like and there you have it. The truth.

>>3073749
You do realize each word of both the Old and New Testament were written by Jews, right? It's like saying Arabs hate the Qur'an, when they wrote it in the first place.

>>3073748
Broken clock is right twice a day.

>>3073722
Empty? None of God's warnings are empty. If you continue as you are, your normalcy bias will be stripped from you.

Count on it.

Why you expect documents to last 2000 years that are not the bible is ponderous to me. You have very little of anything from Philo and Josephus about these events, and what little you have, YOU DISBELIEVE.

The pharisees had enough money to whip up a hundred mobs.

Nobody claims responsibility for the Jewish people, and the one that would have, YOU MURDERED.

Passover/Crucifixion happened on Thursday, Nisan 14, 32 AD. All the gospels say the same exact thing.

Your utter and complete ignorance of the difference between Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the fact that the Passover was the Preparation Day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread, is apparently something you will never overcome.

Because you're not a Jew, and don't understand the things of the Jews.

You LARP as a Jew, that's all.

>>3073742
Pretty much.

>>3073749

no it means you were brainwashed by /pol/ to worship europe and the white ppl even though they historically indulge in degeneracy

>>3072876
>Jews don't believe in original sin and a place of eternal torment for sinners and unbelievers
Really? I'm a complete illiterate when it comes to Judaism, but I have to question if this is true or not. Stuff like the virgin birth, I can understand Jews not believing but I would think stuff like hell would be common among Christianity and Judaism.

>>3073570
>Prophecies are not predictions.

I didn't say they were - people still ignore all evidence when it comes to god because they're human arrogance won't allow them to believe they aren't experts on intergalactic superhuman entities simply because they read a terror manual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMyj4L_x81A

>>3073774
They don't believe their own prophets.

Psalm 9:17
The wicked go down to the realm of the dead, all the nations that forget God.

Proverbs 15:24
The path of life leads upward for the prudent to keep them from going down to the realm of the dead.

Isaiah 66
“And they shall go forth and look
Upon the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die,
And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”

Daniel 12
“At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.

>>3073790
>Some to everlasting life,
>Some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Heaven
Hell

>>3073774

hell is a christian concept

judaism doesn't have original sin, and their version of the afterlife is much different than christianity's

christianity's vision of the afterlife is if you believe in jesus and do what's considered good by the bible, you go to heaven, if you don't do good, you go to hell, catholicism added purgatory for people who died without knowing about jesus.

in judaism, when a person dies, they will usually have emotions like regret or anger, and they go to Gehenna for a period of time to go through things like punishment and self-reflection, once their spirit is clean and consists of good emotions, they can enter the real afterlife, which is completely unknowable to the reality we are in now

>>3073808
>Added
It's in the Scriptures, my dude.

>>3073790
>>3073792
What is that supposed to prove? You conveniently ignore parts of it about the Messiah that Jesus clearly never fulfilled.

>>3073825
No it's not lmao christcucks are so delusional

Christianity is Zoroastrian and Neo-Platonic fanfic using Jewish lore.

>>3073833
>Not knowing about typology
Stay pleb

>>3073840
Typology is no more valid than African-Americans saying they are the true Jews because Deuteronomy says something about being enslaved and sent in ships.

>>3073856
Ignorance

Which is more heretical from a Jewish perspective: Christianity or Islam?

I've always thought that the younger Abrahamic faiths are little more than Jewish heresies gone viral.

>>3073826
t. Schekelgrubber Shillingstein

>>3073880
Christianity easily. At least Islam is still monotheistic.

>>3073880
Secular Jews will tell you they much prefer Christianity and it would be better for the ME to be Christian than Muslim

Religious Jews will nine times out of ten tell you Islam is much better because they are practically identical.

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>>3073905
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_theology

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>>3073923
The Holocaust was punishment against the Jewish people. They had turned their back on God. The six million Holocaust victims were reincarnations of the souls of sinners, people who transgressed and did all sorts of things that should not be done. They had been reincarnated in order to atone. Now that the Jewish people have atoned, they must not hesitate eliminating the Amalekites wherever they find them.

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>>3073905
Commie kikes like Christianity.

Baby molesters/dick suckers like Islam.

I wonder which is more "based"?

How about throw them all into the >>>/trash/?

>>3073930
Orthodox Jews love Nazism.

>>3073930
Well, they hate both of them. I'm just saying who they think is less heretical.

>>3073905

I wouldn't say they're identical, Judaism is more stable as a religion, and they're much more open for debate rather than blind worship, the entire talmud iirc is basically just torah debates and commentaries, discussion is a huge thing in judaism

>>3073946
I said practically. I mean Kosher and Halal. They both believe their Semitic language is the language they should pray in (Arabic & Hebrew). They both believe in the whole purification thing that's nearly non-existent in Christianity. I'm missing some other parts but they are very very close compared to either with Christianity.

>trinity
>virgin birth
The OT prophesied the coming of Immanuel(God with us) and He would be born to a virgin.
It also mentions the "spirit of the Lord" although the Trinidadian nature of God isn't revealed until the coming of Christ.

>place of torment
The OT teaches about Sheol (translated to hades in the Greek Septuagint) and it's different compartments. The just and holy went to Abrahams Sheol where they awaited the day when Christ would come and empty it. The unrepentant went to the part of Sheol where there's separation from God.

>>Came out from Judaism.

That's where you're wrong

>>3073980
>he believes in Jewish myths
Get a load of this goy.

Why are people desperate to believe Abrahamic religions? It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to rationalize all of it.

>>3073452
Messianic "Judaism" is just evangelical Christianity with a kippah.

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>>3073055
"Guys its totally happening this time"
-some guy in 200 AD

>>3073037
Where the hell do people get the "Hell is eternal fire" thing from?

Hell is explicitly referred to as annihilation of the soul. Hell, a buddhist's goal in life is to go to Christian hell, more or less.

>>3073542
Biblical prophecies coming true doesn't mean all of the authors & compilers of the Bible were inspired by the Holy Spirit. If someone wished to corrupt the Bible, they could have done so by adding in non-prophetical words, passages that instill ideas without predicting anything - like in John 5:7-8.