Why the fuck everyone thinks serbs are kebab removers? They were

dont you understand memes?

>>3060218
>albanians
That's a strange way of spelling croats

>>3060537
>he doesn't know about Greatest Kebab Remover

>>3060548
Other kebabs?

>Kebab remover
>Literally the only nation in Europe with over 51% Muslims

>>3060618
But they fought turks. And they done it well

>>3060218
How muslim were the Ottomans really?

>>3060879
>But they fought turks
Well, just like a lot of other countries.

>>3060909
What do you mean?

>>3060910
They literally BTFO them for a couple decades without little to no external support. Also they are atheist

Being a child is thinking Serbs removed kebab

Being an adult is knowing that the Croats did it best.

>>3061837

Being mature is knowing croats sucked Austro-Hungarian dick willingly while serbs at least resisted their colonization

>>3061959
Didn't they go to war against Hungary in 1849 or something?

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>>3060921
>Also they are atheist

Albanian confirmed. Leave this place, subhuman.

>>3060218
He used to be one of the most-well known generals in europe, almost as well known as Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar.

/int/ is down the hall and to the left.

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>>3060548
Timur the lame?

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>>3060218
Skanderbeg was a military genius of the first magnitude. From all the guys the Turks fought in Europe, he likely was the single most efficient military commander. His battle record reads like something out of a Hollywood movie. Like he and a small band of peasant militia, bandits and whatever he could muster fight 100'000 Turks and win, twice.
Yet, he had about the worst political cards dealt to him, poor fucker literally never caught a break, and so in the end his fight was only largely unsuccessful.

Still worth reading about him. Guy that wears a helmet like that to battle is always worth reading about.

>>3062266
Genghis and Timur where the biggest removers.
However, you can make a fair case that Skanderbeg was the greatest {{{Christian}}} Kebab remover. He likely killed more Ottoman soldiers than any other Commander.

>>3060548
The Jew?

>>3062310
He was the GOAT!

>>3060921
You misunderstand most people belive in God they just don`t care about Religion since caring about it would have stopped the forming of a Albanian identity wich you still feel today with everyone having 3 shirts with the Albanian flag on it and claiming it`s the best country while being in Germany (like everyone else)

>>3060537
>wonder what anon means
>google Croatia
>find out he just means that they fought alot of wars on this land

I mean if we look at it that way Albania was a major contributer in WW1 cause they shot some Serbs and had battles take place in Albania wich had nothing to do with it.

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>>3061837
Yep

>>3061959
>resisted colonization
>already colonized by Turks and gypsies
Lmao. Not that the Austrians really colonized. No native Germans in Croatia today, the Austrians just built a shitton of roads, railroads, and bridges, taught people how to read, and taxed the shit out of the population. That's why Slovenia and Croatia are so much wealthier today, while Bosnia and Serbia suffer. Turks were a lot worse than Austrians, they just took and took while giving nothing back. The Austrians gave infrastructure for selfish reasons, but they still gave it.

>>3062383
That's just your average balkanite behavior.

>>3062310
>100'000 Turks and win, twice.
Do people really think the Ottomans had 100,000 men when they went to war with Skanderberg? Even in mass concripts there's no way they would have gotten enough men to be throwing away dozens of thousands year after year.
Fucking retarded Balkanoids.

>>3062266
Although true Timur was also himself a bloody turko-mongol.

>>3062561
I know of a battle where he beat 100.000 Turks with 10.000 Albanians and killed 30.000 Turks while doing so.

>>3062579
>I know of a battle where he beat 100.000 Turks with 10.000 Albanians and killed 30.000 Turks while doing so.
Lmao that's what I'm talking about

>>3062579
found it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Albulena

Also note that 100.000 is a very significant force, it is more or less the biggest number the ottomans were able to field in a battle.

>>3062521
that pic is some new level of autism

>>3060218
>Taking memes seriously

>>3062588
I'm not saying that the Ottomans didn't have a larger sometimes when they went to war but being able to wielding 100,000 soldiers in 1457 long before they reached their prime is ridiculous and clearly an exaggeration.

>>3062613
Especially for a single battle kek

>>3062613
ottoman prime began 1453 with the conquest of constantinople, where they also fielded around 100k.

>>3062624
>ottoman prime began 1453 with the conquest of constantinople, where they also fielded around 100k.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople
>Figures according to recent estimates and Ottoman archival data. The Ottoman Empire, for demographic reasons, would not have been able to put more than 80,000 men into the field at the time
We tend to go with the minimum figures when it comes shaky stuff like this so they had something around 50,000.

Not saying Skanderberg wasn't amazing btw. But he didn't repel a force of 100,000.

>>3062615
the army was supposed to capture Kruje, which was Skanderbegs main castle but they got beaten before reaching it.

>>3062521
>No native Germans in Croatia today

Like one in twenty Croats I know have German surnames. Funnily enough, they're the most hardcore Croatian nationalists.

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>>3062561
>Do people really think the Ottomans had 100,000 men when they went to war with Skanderberg?
Yes, inf act they do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Kruj%C3%AB_(1450)

>>3062561
>Even in mass concripts there's no way they would have gotten enough men to be throwing away dozens of thousands year after year.
History tell us the great Turk did pretty much that for 25 years straight. And Skanderbeg fucked him up year after year.

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We all know who the real kebab removers are.

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>>3062632

>>3062840
>History tell us the great Turk did pretty much that for 25 years straight.
History written by whom?
>100,000 to 160,000 men
>Hodkinson p. 107.
>During his career he supported the Albanian cause and took up strong anti-Serb and anti-Bulgarian positions.
The guy has no credibility and everything about him screams bias.

>>3062900
why exactly is it outrageous that the army that conquered one of the greatest empires to have ever existed would field armys of up to 100.000.

i think you are the biased one, probably serb or greek.

>>3062940
>why exactly is it outrageous that the army that conquered one of the greatest empires to have ever existed would field armys of up to 100.000.
Because it's impractical for demographic reasons.
>i think you are the biased one, probably serb or greek.
Nope lol. If anything I'd be a Turk.

>>3063001
it is impractical for an empire with a population of around 20 million to field an army of 100.000.

>>3062900
>History written by whom?
Well, the Venetians had a great seat to view the show, so did the Papal states. And then the Ottoman archives also hold some good sources.
Before you go full chauvinistic balkan asshole, Albanians are the same shit balkan niggers as the rest of you apes, but Skanderbeg was a great general.

>>3063060
Yet history tells us times and times again that the Turks did exactly that. They fielded a gigantic army every bloody season.
Check the Austrian Turkis wars, the siege of Malta, the Albanian Turkish wars and so on.

>>3063066
that was sarcasm. it is obviously not hard to recruit 100.000 soldiers if the population is in the millions.

>>3063066
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Vienna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

>>3063074
It actually is very hard when you are a pre industrial nation without any modern technology. And the Turks where one of few empires that had that ability for centuries.

>>3063061
>Well, the Venetians had a great seat to view the show, so did the Papal states. And then the Ottoman archives also hold some good sources.
The Ottoman sources say the opposite.

>>3063066
>>3063074
>>3063077
They may have had these soldiers later on, but in 1450 when they were still barely a power? No fucking way.

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>>3063116
Who are you trying to kid? The Ottomans where the most formidable war machine at the time and this was their main phase of expansion, including sacking Constantinople.

Go take your balkan shit bias elsewhere.

>>3063116
>I don't care about historical consensus if I don't want something to be true it isn't.

Typical american attitude. Go vote Trump you retarded donkey fucker.

>>3063001
>If anything I'd be a Turk.
Anon if you are not sure what you are go outside and ask someone how your national flag looks like.

>>3063140
>You're biased if you don't believe in inflated numbers from medieval sources.
I bet you believe the Persians could field 5 million soldiers too.

>>3063187
Those numbers have been checked and double checked countless times by different historians.
Thats what we call academic consensus.
Now go fuck off and spread your conspiracy theories elsewhere.

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>>3063199
>by different historians.
Post these historians here then albo scum.
>we wuz kebab removers n shiieet
more than half the ottoman empire grand viziers were albanian. fuck off you turklet.

>>3063199
>Those numbers have been checked and double checked countless times by different historians.
Which ones? What historians?
>Now go fuck off and spread your conspiracy theories elsewhere.
The turks wouldn't raise 100,000 troops to deal with a rebellious albo fucking goats in his mountains, especially in the year 1450.

>>3060618
Kebab = turks

Not all muslims are kebabs, but all kebabs are muslim

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>>3063225
>dozens of respected academicians from all over the world say something completely different than I want to be true
>they all lie
>because I say so

>>3063226
He was a giant pain in turkish ass. He even had to lead to a crusade

>>3063237
Vlad Dracul, John Hunyadi, Stephen of Moldavia.
All of these were huge thornes in the Sultan's side and yet he never sent more than 80,000 men to defeat them. What makes Skanderbeg special?

>>3063277
He was right in the neighborhood and was trying to get an alliance with Venice and the Pope, threatening the entire Balkan and Greece.

>>3063225
>>3063226
>I hate Albanians and their history so much
>the post

>>3063283
Venice was busy fighting the city-states of northern Italy and the Pope had almost no power to organize a new crusade.

>>3063296
>I hate Albanians and their history so much
This is why you're the laughing stock of the balkans, right behind the ''macedonians'', everything is about YOUR history and everyone who contradicts your point of view is an evil serb or turk.

>>3063300
Well, I guess you have to ask Sultan Murad II and Sultan Mehmet II why they did send their full armies to Albania then. While you are at it, ask them what made them lose to Skanderbeg again and again.

>>3063314
Dear Balkannigger, I am not a Balkannigger at all. Just a guy that happens to be interested in history and chauvinistic fucks that claim shit like you just trigger me.

>>3063326
>I'm not an albo, I swear!
And once again, you haven't refuted any of my ''claims''.

>>3063353
Why would I try to do that. All academic sources say the opposite of what you claim, plus you didn't bring a single source.
Frankly, I don't see reason to take you for full. with all the ad hominem ad "albo" hate it is pretty clear what kind of nutcase you are.

>>3063353
An albanian lord that controls some mountaneous regions in todays northern albania can recruit 10.000 soldiers but the ottoman empire controlling most of the balkans, greece, and anatolia can't recruit 100.000

t. butthurt balkanigger.

>>3060218
Because most people only cares about relatively modern history. Albanians are muslim, serbs genocided muslims (bosnians).

On a related note, the french are "bad at war".

>>3063229
All muslims in the balkans are kebabs by association, though. The remove kebab meme actually refers to bosniaks.

>>3062310
One of the greatest Montenegrins ever.

>>3063705
the butthurt balkanigger is back guys

>>3063715
Seriously though, his mother was from Doclea.

>>3063725
who the fuck cares

>>3063739
The guy who got butthurt that the greatest Albanian ever was actually from Montenegro. I personally don't give a fuck.

>>3063748
Having a mother from an ethnically mixed dynasty does not make him Montenegrian, butthurt balkanigger.

>>3060909
Incredibly Muslim, this was central to their identity and legitimacy as a state. However, they were much less observant of scripture than your average Arab Muslim today.

>>3063757
>resorts to namecalling
why? Is there something inherently wrong in the guy being from Montenegro's noble family and ruling over his fiefdom in what is now Albania during time when national identity was nonexistant?

>>3063771
he was part of the Kastrioti noble family, which was albanian, balkanigger.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIvyxdhCFbY

I didn't want these Feels man ;_;

>>3063780
Why can't be a part of that family and still be Montenegrin. Helen of Anjou married some Serbian king, marriage doesn't make her serbian by magic.

The Serbs killing of Franz Ferdinand lead to a war that you could argue caused every single other war that came after it, therefore the Serbs have indirectly caused every war after WW1.

>>3063828
wtf i love serbs now!

>>3063639
It is true though they lost the meme war against Germany wich it won by skillfully making France look like the loser .

>>3063798
The good old times before Albanians outbred Serbs so much they eent from 40- 50% to 90% of the population.

>>3064118
So serbs didnt have a phase of massive population explosion? Kosovo became albanian because the serbs migrates from there into the vojvodina. Albanians made kosovo albanian, serbs made vojvodina serbian.

>>3063229
>all kebabs are muslim
But I'm a Turk and not a Muslim.

>>3060218
An old name for Bosniaks is "Turks", so in the song, the line:
"Ustaše i turci"
refers to Croats and Bosniaks.

>>3064480
Either you are member of a 0.2% minority (1 in 500) or just another lying roach.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Turkey

>>3064450
should be noted that those migrations happened because of oppressive turkish rule, not because people felt like they coulf use a stroll

>>3064525
>citing wikipedia as a source
why are wh*Te subhumans so fucking retarded?
like you're extraordinarily retarded, is it genetic inferiority?
t. not him

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>>3064600
>t. not him

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>>3064661
Problem?
I want to understand why you wh*Te dogs are so fucking retarded. Tell me wh*Te subhuman (or balkanrapebaby)

>most high ranking ottoman officials were albanian
>ataturk even was probably partially albanian
>b-but they removed kebab

If anything albanians are the biggest kebabs after turks themselves.

>>3060218
i love balkanites' autism. turks kicked their ass hard, ruled them centuries and they cant stop talking about how they resisted ottoman military machine.

>>3064702
Ataturk being albanian is a balkanrapebaby meme.
first, Ataturk's heritage is documented
second, he's too wh*Te to be considered as an albonigger

>>3060909
The Ottoman sultan was also the Caliph.

>>3060218
Because they committed a relatively recent genocide in which they referred to Bosnian Muslims as Turks.
They also LARP as Russians.
The Serbs are just a very confused people.

>>3064762
you know whoever says the word "larp" is always an underage shitposter
how old are you my son? will you post your milf mother here for us? since you're young i suppose your mother is not that old. Do us a favor and post your hot milf mother.

>>3064767
Butthurt Serb detected. Explain how you are actually Russian then. Enlighten me.

>>3065066
i'm still waiting for your mom's pics

>>3065088
Is this what passes for banter over there or are you just deliberately acting retarded?
I have bad news for you. What if I told you YOU'RE the turk?

>>3062266
He was Muslim though

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this kebab-remover meme is really getting pathetic
>be medieval serb
>bow down and accept glorious turkish masters
>eagerly serve as mercenaries for ottomans against your fellow christians
>be occupied for 400 years
>nearly 200 years later some genocidal lunatics gun down bosnian civilians before getting btfo
>in 2017 edgy kids on a bhutanese macaroni-art imageboard think this is badass and unironically believe that serbs are somehow turk-killing machines

It isn't any less embarrassing with Albanians. If your entire countries pride revolves one guy that was something of an inconvenience to an occupier before getting conquered.. than your country probably sucks

>>3064705
resistance doesn't mean that you are managing to kick out the power that rules over you. it means that you're resisting them, even if you're not winning

serbs arent even the best kebab removers in europe. poland>portugal>spain>>>serbia in that regard. sobiseki and the reconquista were by far the best pre-modern kebab removal examples.

>>3062860
You're god damn right

>>3065162
And he justified many of his wars by saying the people he invaded weren't devout enough and were guilty of shirk.

>>3065400

>implying serbs didn't resist occupation for those 400 years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Serbia#Revolts

>>3065400
Well to be fair, Albania's annexation was only completed a fair bit after Skanderbeg's death. He did manage to beat the Ottomans at every turn while he was alive.

>>3065400
* 500

>>3062860
>kebab vassals for centuries

the only true kebab removers are:
1. russians
2. hungarians
3. croats
4. germans
5. poles

>>3067215
>2. hungarians
>3. croats
>4. germans
Ahh so you basically mean the Austrian Empire

>>3067215

Everyone forgets the Timurid and Safavid

>>3066857
Yes, once Croats and Bosnians had been showing them the way. Read up on the Serb vassal king during Timur's invasion of the Ottomans. He stayed a loyal vassal boy during the greatest chance to break free of the Turks.

>>3067215
Russians how? And replace Germans with Austrians, there is a difference you know.

>>3067595
Kebab can't remove kebab. they just replacek kebab.
Kebab= any muslim. Or else Bosnians wouldn't be called kebab