/pol/ memes aside, how come West Africa never got into colonization?

They feared the Amazonian women.

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Yeah senpai just go ahead and cross 5000 miles of open ocean in one of these

>>3059090
Fine- how come they never invented better boats? Morocco would've economically gained from it, and all three empires knew about the existence of Spain.

>>3059084
>Mali Brazil
Did this in EUIV

>>3059090
>>3059084
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_II

>Virtually all that is known of Abu Bakr II is from the account of Chihab al-Umari. Al-Umari visited Cairo after Mansa Musa stopped there during his historic hajj to Mecca, and recorded a conversation between Musa and his host, Abu'l Hasan Ali ibn Amir Habib. According to Musa, Abu Bakr became convinced that he could find the edge of the Atlantic Ocean, and outfitted an expedition of 200 ships to find it. Only one of those ships returned; the captain related that the expedition had come to a "river with a powerful current" in the ocean. The current took most of the fleet away, after which the captain turned back. According to Musa, Abu Bakr was undeterred and launched an even larger expedition with himself as the head, departing with 2,000 vessels for his men and a like number for supplies. He left Musa, his vizier, as his deputy during his absence. The expedition was never heard from again, and Musa became the next emperor.

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>>3059084

To be fair Iberians went into colonization.
Then Brits and French copied them.

>>3059139
They got sucked into the bermuda triangle.

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>>3059139
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>>3059173

Too much hassle and maintenance to keep a colony on a completely different continent for a country like the Malian empire, even especially at its height during the 14th century. Despite their wealth, Mali's greatest concern was focusing on her frontier. (Timbuktu itself was razed by the Mossi, and then repeatedly sacked and then seized by the Tuaregs around 1433). If the later Mansas had been more competent, the absolute most we could've seen were outposts in South America perhaps, and maybe being able to beat Portugal at the colonization of Cape Verde or one of the closer Atlantic islands.

>>3059233
>Too much hassle and maintenance

kek. where have i heard that before

>>3059084
Spaniards went looking for gold, Mali had enough

>>3059252
It's true, though. Mali may have been rich but it was in no position to maintain a colony thousands of miles away.

>>3059182
You do know the Olmecs and their head predated Musa's voyage by about 2000 years?

>>3059103

patricio?

>>3059084
>Kankan, my son
>You are man now
>Where does the future of your nation lie?
>Filthy rich northerners following consistent trade routes?
>Or 5,000 miles of raging seas if you can make it over the sheer cliffs of the west african "coast"?

>>3059279
I see your point. Touche.
That raises two new question now though:
>How wealthy was Mali/Morocco compared to the average European nation at the time of the Caribbean being discovered?
>How come they never jumped on the scramble when news got out?

>>3059273
I'm not arguing with you, but what exactly is that evidence for that claim out of curiosity?

Colonization came from the need to trade from Christians but not being able to go through the Muslims. The Muslims had easy access to India and the Spice Islands through the middle east so they had no need to ever go west. By the time they realized what was going on their naval forces were no real match for Europe

>>3059321
Of the Olmecs? Well archeologically they were very ancient, dating to the Preclassic period. It's pretty much a fact not a claim that they were around 1200 BC. The Mali empire is medieval, so to try to make a correlation with the two doesn't make sense.

>>3059314
How could african nations, with their inferior seafaring capability, wealh and military power hope to compete with the European powers?

>>3059534
Europeans only got competent at seafaring due to decades of Portuguese investment.

>>3059139
How the fuck am I supposed to read this greentext when every other word is a new hyphenated foreigner's name? It's like I have to start writing them down and connecting the dots.

>>3059084
The same reason why China didn't have colonies.

>>3059514
Ahh, I see. I'm just always sceptical about dating artifacts in South America due to the various conditions that would degrade materials faster.

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>>3059090

But they did desu!

>>3059845
but china did have colonies

>>3059090
>>3059139
If they had discovered the outrigger it would have been possible

Tbh African watercraft have always been centered around mega lakes and rivers, it's bummer.
>>3059084
African Muslims placed Jihad in Brazil and they were so good instead of killing them all Brazil just brought them back to Africa were they became an extremely important class of people who mixed old and new ways.


Also don't take the story literally, it's mostly about how the brother veered from Islam and was punished while the other rightfully ruled by committing himself to Allah.

>>3059946
Fuck off with this bullshit, as a part native this fucking infuriates me.
Those were built by native Americans not blacks.
Modern mestizos look nothing like the long dead ancient central/South American natives (like Evo Morales from Bolivia), most of the natives were killed or forced to racemix by colonizers.
They were built in their image but the stones were too tough for carving stand out features.
Natives also built Moais using the same techniques, and I've met descendants of Rapanuis who study in my university.

Then blacks complain about the we wuz kings meme.

Bantus colonized the most land in human history

>>3059084
Same reason why Sardinia wasn't colonized until the Renaissance age, too far away with a lack of proper technology to rely on

>>3060442
not Russians?

>>3060433
Sorry man. I'm not the guy, but I also posted a statue head. I just posted it because it's a fun theory. Full credit to American civilization though.

>>3059084
My guess both Mali and Ethiopia didn't do so since there was little to achieve from it in their eyes, back then all does other places must have been seen like a wasteland only fools and madman would truly want to settle and thought it would be best to not waste to much time on it and instead only focus on getting slaves from does lands to sell.

Which ironically was what most colony settlers where: The foolish, the mad, and the desperate.

>>3060479
Nope

>>3060549
Russia is 17,098,242 km2, the entire African continent is 30,200,000 km2. Bantus didn't do over half of Africa, right?

>>3060499
Ethiopia was a naval power in the Indian ocean back in the day (same with Somalia) and they ruled an island off the coast of India until the early 1940's or so.
>>3060442
Most Africans are not Bantu and Bantu are about 2-3k years old

>>3059084
Tbh West Africans had a tendency of demolishing and ruling indigenous people if they had the chance.

You see it in several nation's histories.

>>3060442
>>3060479
>>3060549
>>3060567

beyond that, the British empire was massive, they had Canada and India. Not to mention that long ass north/south strip of Africa.

>>3060881
All of that can be explained with economic and psychological factors. Begone, fool!

>>3060881
It's hard when most of the data was pulled out of the asses of literal mustache twirling eugenicists

cus they were technologically inferior, and probably didn't have the knowledge to keep an expanse out of their native region upkept

>>3060713
No the answer is their weren't in environments conducive for ocean going travel.

We can see that the two regions on earth with the greatest ocean going navigating traditions are rooted in the Mediterranean and Island Southeast Asia with a myriad of islands faciliating a slow island hopping tradition that transformed into greater and greater navigational prowess.

Even China was influenced by Southeast Asian ship design.

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>>3060650
Bantu people spread their genes over the largest area. Brits and Russians merely killed the leaders in tribes around the world and claimed to own it.

>>3059084
They did. Just look around.

>>3059340
>By the time they realized what was going on their naval forces were no real match for Europe
Not exactly true. That may have been more true at the beginning.

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>>3059084

Its because the Native Americans westernized and colonized everything first.

Also... You might like EU4 for crazy alternative history game. Personally I like conquering meca and converting to Christianity.

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>>3059084
I dunno, all i know is that algeria was conqured by the french for 100 years and now all algerian people i know are white, speak french and arabic, and are shitty people.

>>3064032

Oh fuck. I just noticed Scottish Mexico!

>>3059084
Black ppl are not imperialistic monsters unlike white devils baka

>>3059646
The Basques were fishing in the North America since the middle age, they salted cod there and sold it, or chased the whales until the skandis dominated and pushed them off the trade. The Skandis reached north america even earlier than the basques, and founded Groenlandia thanks to they skill in the sea. The ERE dominated his part of the Med until the Venetians, Pisans, Genoeses or Catalans made themselves strong, and dominated the sea around them. Trade between Skandis and Egyptians be sea is know since the bronze age, thanks to a culture of trade around the european atlantic (including the british islands) you could find Egyptians goods in bum fuck nowhere Norwey.

>>3064013
Tbf as a Malagasy I have to say currents were not conducive to settling Madagascar from the West and the Southeast Asian Negrito/Austronesian/Laccadives mixed people's that settled the island did so after thousands of years trading cinnamon and spices using the monsoonal winds.

Secondly by the time of Madagascar's settling we were already mixed African-Asian people. Having already formed our basis on Littoral East Africa.

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>>3065309
Quick question: Why did you kill off the gorilla-lemurs? Seriously, how dare you?

>>3065339
Well for the birds we ate the eggs but also scientists believe now a avian disease that came with chickens killed the elephant bird.

Unlike Maori who left hundreds of thousands of hacked bones we have very few.
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Pygmy hippo was killed probably because it was like a pig, in fact our words for dugong and cow translates to water pig and pig.
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Giant lemur, baboon lemur, sloth lemur were all eaten too. However most tribes unless in famine have fady/taboo against eating lemurs today.

If anything Christian proslytizing has loosened the grip allowing for people to ignore fady.

Anyways Europeans killed half their animal species when they arrived, where as we killed no more than a dozen.

You have to remember that unlike continental Europe the animals had only Fossa as predators, they were rather naive and thus easy pickings for protein starved farmers.

>>3065376
You should do an AMA. Madagascar just fascinates me as a whole.

>>3065387
I've done three on /his/

>>3065393
Huh. Alrighty then. Do you currently live in Madagascar though?

>>3065401
Nope, anyways I just want to keep this on topic regarding African seafaring and maritime culture.

>>3059084
They colonized Spain and Southern Europe.

>>3059084
Because Mali was a shadow of it's former self by the time colonisation happened outside iberia

Besides, Mali had much greater concerns, and if they were stable enough, they would have probably attempted the conquest of Benin, Nigeria and the sand dwellers first in order to secure their frontier. If there was thing Mali didn't lack, it was space, food and resources.

This is quite different to the European situation where as soon as potatoes became known people where comeing to the continent in droves

>>3059233
That would depend on whether or not Mali was able to manage a measurable overseas trade fleet, of which I'm suspicious. Also, I doubt the europeans would have allowed any non christian to establish a pwoer base on the americas

>>3065863
I think people overestimate Mali because it's called an empire, when it was a tributary kingdom than bullied the tribes/minor kingdom around them (like the Ghana or Songhay did).
It wasn't like true empire like Rome or China, where the culture, way of government and way of life was enforced, it was mostly like bronze age kingdom like asiria or a feudal kingdom where the hegemon raked the good stuff and obligated minor polities to give resources or troops ,or else. I recognize than I have only a very light knowladge of Mali, but true public infraestructures didn't pop in any book/article I read about them, how could they colonize anything be sea if they didn't the will to even colonize they neighbors?

>>3066616
i thought early on rome didn't really care what you did as long as you paid taxes and shieeeet

>>3066616
An empire is a state that rules over an extensive group of states as supreme authority. Mali fits such criteria. Early on it was more "don't rebel and pay your taxes", but by Musa's age it was divided into provinces ruled by governors from the Mandinka heartland of Niani.