>Archaeologists have found the remains of 42 children sacrificed

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>>3047831
sounds like the Spanish inquisition to me

>>3047831
THEY DINDU NUFFIN

>>3047831
It's a white supremacist conspiracy theory to make the noble savages look like Nazis!

>>3047831
Quetzalcoatl was not the deity on the main temple that was Huitzilopochtli next to Tlaloc.

>Justified to genocide, destroy their heritage, culture and make cultural amnesia the norm
Eurangutans are gonna be extinct this century, so who cares?

>>3047831
>Were the Spaniards justified in conquering the Aztecs?

Sure , they solved the pain of the natives by ensaving them to death in the silver mines.

>>3047831
>Were the Spaniards justified in conquering the Aztecs?
ever heard of how the hostilities between the aztecs and the spaniards started

>While Hernán Cortés was in Tenochtitlan, he heard about other Spaniards arriving on the coast – Pánfilo de Narváez had come from Cuba with orders to arrest him – and Cortés was forced to leave the city to fight them. During his absence, Moctezuma asked deputy governor Pedro de Alvarado for permission to celebrate Toxcatl (an Aztec festivity in honor of Tezcatlipoca, one of their main gods). But after the festivities had started, Alvarado interrupted the celebration, killing almost 8000 people present at the festival, men, women, and children alike.

>"They came to close the exits, the steps, the entrances [to the patio]: The Gate of the Eagle in the smallest palace, The Gate of the Canestalk and the Gate of the Snake of Mirrors. And when they had closed them, no one could get out anywhere. At that moment, they then attacked all the people, stabbing them, spearing them, wounding them with their swords. They struck some from behind, who fell instantly to the ground with their entrails hanging out [of their bodies]. They cut off the heads of some and smashed the heads of others into little pieces. They struck others in the shoulders and tore their arms from their bodies. They struck some in the thighs and some in the calves. They slashed others in the abdomen and their entrails fell to the earth. There were some who even ran in vain, but their bowels spilled as they ran; they seemed to get their feet entangled with their own entrails. Eager to flee, they found nowhere to go."

>>3048449
who wrote this account?

they certainly weren't justified in burning their shit

>>3048476
An anonymous Mexica, probably a Tlatelolcan, recorded by Friar Bernardino de Sahagun for the Florentine Codex.
Other two versions are from Bernal Díaz del Castillo and Pedro de Alvarado himself. The first claims that the Aztecs were organizing a rebellion and the latter states that he interviened to prevent a sacrifice. Both versions are compiled by the personal historian of Cortes, Francisco López de Gómara:
>"Whether on [the basis of] his own opinion or in an agreement decided by everyone, I don't know, but some say he had been warned that the Indian nobles of the city had assembled to plot the mutiny and the rebellion, which they later carried out; others, believe that [the Spaniards] went to watch them perform this famous and praised dance, and seeing how rich they were and wanting the gold the Indians were wearing, he [Alvarado] covered each of the entrances with ten or twelve Spaniards and went inside with more than fifty [Spaniards], and without remorse and lacking any Christian piety, they brutally stabbed and killed the Indians, and took what they were wearing."

>>3047831
"B-b-b-but we can't build a wall and keep them out! Beaners are the demographic of peace!"

>>3049833
How fucking obsessed are you

>>3047831
It's like Blood Meridian: Yucatan edition

>>3047831
So question for the other half of /his/ did violence like this ever really stop in Mexico? Is there a clear relationship between this bullshittery and the various barbary of modern day cartels in the region?

>>3049861
Our nation is falling deeply in love with the Trumps. Did you see the speech in Poland? Go watch it seriously.

>>3047831
>Were the Spaniards justified in conquering the Aztecs?
A better question is if the rebels were justified in freeing themselves from Aztec tyranny.

>>3049974
Most americans aren't even aware.

>>3049962
>Is there a clear relationship between this bullshittery and the various barbary of modern day cartels in the region?
Only if you count "money" as a clear relationship. Mexico's current crime problem is its geographic situation, as it's the natural corridor between the world's largest drug producer and the world's largest drug consumer.

>>3049833
>>3049962
The Aztecs sacrificed 42 children in 200 years. On the exact same spot the Spanish killed 8000 nobles with their children in a couple of hours.
Cut your racial bullshit, tearing off the chidlren's nails (if the practice is true since the article is unsourced) is still more human than what europeans did:
>They struck some from behind, who fell instantly to the ground with their entrails hanging out [of their bodies]. They cut off the heads of some and smashed the heads of others into little pieces. They struck others in the shoulders and tore their arms from their bodies.

>>3049962
It wasn't always this violent. Romans were pretty violent and the thirty years war was brutal. Doesn't mean it's always been violent it's just the way we humans are. Look at the Japanese, they were savage not long ago now they are passive and tamed. Same in central america it used to be safe before the cold war to travel there.

>>3049998
>implying

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Maya_culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrifice_in_pre-Columbian_cultures

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>>3050013
Not an argument.

If there ever has been a time when completely wiping out a culture was justified, this was it.
The entirety of aztec society was arranged around the ritual murder of tens of thousands of innocents.
>Bu... Bu... Muh eurangutans killed thousands too!
They should have killed millions. Beaners should be glad the Spics were so merciful with them.

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>>3050029
>Beaners didn't keep good records of their wars, ergo whites are bad

Not an argument.

>>3050035
>muh ten gorillion sacrifices
Point me to a credible source.

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>>3050041
not even muslims i swear

>>3050049
A quarter million were sacrificed every year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture

"Michael Harner, in his 1977 article The Enigma of Aztec Sacrifice, estimates the number of persons sacrificed in central Mexico in the 15th century as high as 250,000 per year. Fernando de Alva Cortés Ixtlilxochitl, a Mexica descendant and the author of Codex Ixtlilxochitl, estimated that one in five children of the Mexica subjects was killed annually."

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>>3050059
Not worth arguing with these fuckin 4chan racists. In their eyes, everything done by whites is completely justified, no matter how abhorrent. They hold nonwhites to this arbitrary and ridiculous moral standard, then argue that doing even worse is actually an act of mercy or something. Sure those children were saved by enslaving and genociding them all, thanks guys.

>he was doing drugs that were bad for him, so I was completely justified to rape and murder him and his entire family! He was a savage!

>>3050081
Thats literally the highest estimate but it's not backed up by anything archeologically. Going by the accounts which vary and the archeological data most scholars have it somewhere between 4,000 and 10,000 a year. Honestly a quarter of a million sounds impossible to even conduct every year.

>>3050081
>Some post-conquest sources report that at the re-consecration of Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan in 1487, the Aztecs sacrificed about 80,400 prisoners over the course of four days. This number is considered by Ross Hassig, author of Aztec Warfare, to be an exaggeration. Hassig states "between 10,000 and 80,400 persons" were sacrificed in the ceremony.[40] The higher estimate would average 14 sacrifices per minute during the four-day consecration. Four tables were arranged at the top so that the victims could be jettisoned down the sides of the temple.[41] Nonetheless, according to Codex Telleriano-Remensis, old Aztecs who talked with the missionaries told about a much lower figure for the reconsecration of the temple, approximately 4,000 victims in total.

>>3049998
t. Juan Mestizo Alvarez

>>3050116
>Talking as if race had anything to do with it.
Why do progressive idiots love injecting race into everything? I mean, at some point they must realise they are doing the same thing the /pol/tards do; ignoring the crimes of a group of people because they happen to be a specific colour.

>>3050081

there is no fucking way they had the population to allow for that kind of mass murder

>>3050081
>Michael Harner, in his 1977 article The Enigma of Aztec Sacrifice, estimates the number of persons sacrificed in central Mexico in the 15th century as high as 250,000 per year
The same guy that argued that Aztecs sacrificed for cannibalism because their diet lacked proteins.

3.
>"Conservatively, we suppose that all the victims were males of 60kg with 16% of protein, a similar amount to the lean meat of pork and lamb (Consumer and Food Economics Research Division, 1963), and digestible in a 90%. A skillful butchering would provide 60% of this meat (Garn and Block, 1970). Thus, every victim would provide a total of 60kg*0.16*0.60*0.90= 5.18 kg. If we also consider many documents of this practice, only the limbs were eaten and the total of protein would be 5.18*0.35=1.81 kg. The same amount of protein can be found in four kilograms of fish."
>Aztecs had excelent sources of protein to compensate the lack of farm animals. For example, the lean meat of beef has 18.7% of protein and 18.2% of fat while lean meat of pork has 17.5% 13.2% respectively (Bresani 1972). In comparision the meat of the most common insect, the grasshopper, had up to 30% of protein while some other insects such as jumiles and the red mezcal worms had up to 70% (Ramos de Elurdoy, 1982).
- Bernardo Ortiz de Montellano, Aztec Medicine and Health, and Nutrition

>Fernando de Alva Cortés Ixtlilxochitl, a Mexica descendant, estimated that one in five children of the Mexica subjects was killed annually
He considered himself more a Texcocan and Spanish descendant, hence why he actually named himself Ixtlilxochitl (the only Aztec ruler who sided with the Spanish) and De Alva (last name of a famous Spanish general). Besides, the Mestizo historians of this time were trying to shit on the Aztecs and praise the Spanish conquest, while claiming noble ancestry so the Spaniards would give them social and economical benefits.

A society so pathological all it took to bring it down was a group of about 500 Spanish assholes can't have been worth much to begin with.

>>3050200
See:
>>3050041
>>3050035
>>3047883
>>3047864

>>3050116
It is not because they were white, it is because Spanish papism, thought still very oppressive, was a step up from the Aztecs.

The world isn't all ice cream and rainbows, you have to choose the lesser evil.

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>>3050254
Agreed, Europe at the time was not worthy in any
way.

>>3050254
This
It's mind boggling how BTFO those people got

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>>3050267
Not as mindboggling as how disease ridden were Europeans.

Diseases introduced from the New Wolrd to the Old World:
- A bedbug infection
- Syphilis (disputed)

Diseases introduced from the Old World to the New World:
- Bubonic plague
- Chicken pox
- Cholera
- Diphtheria
- Influenza
- Leprosy
- Malaria
- Measles
- Scarlet fever
- Smallpox
- Typhoid
- Typhus
- Whooping cough
- Yaws
- Yellow fever

>>3050254
It helps when you have disease and over 100,000 native allies.

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>>3050259
>because Spanish papism, thought still very oppressive, was a step up from the Aztecs.
>The world isn't all ice cream and rainbows, you have to choose the lesser evil

>Archaeologists have found the remains of 42 children sacrificed to Tlaloc (and a few to Ehecátl Quetzalcóatl) in the offerings of the Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan. In every case, the 42 children, mostly males aged around six, were suffering from serious cavities, abscesses or bone infections that would have been painful enough to make them cry continually.

vs

>While Hernán Cortés was in Tenochtitlan, he heard about other Spaniards arriving on the coast – Pánfilo de Narváez had come from Cuba with orders to arrest him – and Cortés was forced to leave the city to fight them. During his absence, Moctezuma asked deputy governor Pedro de Alvarado for permission to celebrate Toxcatl (an Aztec festivity in honor of Tezcatlipoca, one of their main gods). But after the festivities had started, Alvarado interrupted the celebration, killing almost 8000 people present at the festival, men, women, and children alike. While differing so on Alvarado's specific motive, both accounts are in basic agreement that the celebrants were unarmed and that the massacre was without warning and unprovoked.
>"They came to close the exits, the steps, the entrances [to the patio]: The Gate of the Eagle in the smallest palace, The Gate of the Canestalk and the Gate of the Snake of Mirrors. And when they had closed them, no one could get out anywhere. At that moment, they then attacked all the people, stabbing them, spearing them, wounding them with their swords. They struck some from behind, who fell instantly to the ground with their entrails hanging out [of their bodies]. They cut off the heads of some and smashed the heads of others into little pieces. They struck others in the shoulders and tore their arms from their bodies.

yeah, obviously the lesser evil

Why is this a question?

Incas were superior to those barbarian eurangutans.

>>3050318
El peruANO.

>>3047831
In all honesty the Spaniards didn't conquer them because how barbaric they were, they just sought riches. But yes, it's a good thing Aztec """"civilization"""" was destroyed, they were fucking scum, lower then even animals.

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>>3050362
>But yes, it's a good thing Aztec """"civilization"""" was destroyed, they were fucking scum, lower then even animals.
>"These people live almost like those in Spain, and in as much harmony and order as there, and considering that they are barbarous and so far from the knowledge of God and cut off from all civilized nations, it is truly remarkable to see what they have achieved in all things."
- Hernan Cortes, Second Letter of Relation to Charles V

>>3050287
How is it that none of those Old World diseases were introduced 500 years prior with the Scandinavians in North America?

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>>3050378
>subhuman sp*niards found this beautiful unique culture and turned it into another smelly european colony for money

>>3050392
>One small group of humans settled in a far corner in the middle of fucking ice. They eventually abandoned the area or were killed.
>The diseases they were carrying didn't spread.

>Other group established a permanent and thriving colony in sub-tropical regions, having constant contact with the native population.
>The diseases they were spreading carried through the entire area.

Jesus, I wonder how it was that possible?

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>>3050401
> beautiful unique culture
> cannibalism
> human sacrifice on an industrial scale
> child sacrifice
muh noble savages; cry some more you mexishit

>>3047831
Really, it was the surrounding pissed off native tribes that destroyed the Aztecs. The Spaniards were just left standing when the dust settled.

>>3047831
Sounds like those kids would've suffered badly in the long run due to their health system.

>>3050311
The 42 sacrifices weren't the only sacrifices and general brutality by the Aztecs and the massacre was during a rough transition period.

>>3050466
>europeans
>flaying people alive for not being catholic enough
>burning people alive for not being catholic enough
>disease
>corruption
>war
get out of my continent

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>>3050466
>> cannibalism

>>3050336
kek

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>>3050466
>> human sacrifice on an industrial scale
99% warriors captured in battle, who should have been slayed on the battlefiled in the first place.
Still less dead people than with Europeans. >>3050029

>>3050417
>New Brunswick was permanently icy during the Medieval Warm Period

>>3050545
>le Iron Maiden meme

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>>3050552
>Still less dead people than with Europeans.
And that's not even counting civilian casualties, a population which the Aztecs never attacked.

>Pope Clement VII had given his support to the Kingdom of France in an attempt to alter the balance of power in the region, and free the Papacy from dependency, i.e. a growing weakness to "Imperial domination" by the Holy Roman Empire (and the Habsburg dynasty).
>The army of the Holy Roman Emperor defeated the French army in Italy, but funds were not available to pay the soldiers. The 34,000 Imperial troops mutinied and forced their commander, Charles III, Duke of Bourbon and Constable of France, to lead them towards Rome.
>After the brutal execution of some 1,000 defenders of the Papal capital and shrines, the pillage began. Churches and monasteries, as well as the palaces of prelates and cardinals, were looted and destroyed. Even pro-Imperial cardinals had to pay to save their properties from the rampaging soldiers. On 8 May, Cardinal Pompeo Colonna, a personal enemy of Clement VII, entered the city. He was followed by peasants from his fiefs, who had come to avenge the sacks they had suffered by Papal armies.
>The population of Rome dropped from some 55,000 before the attack, to 10,000. An estimated 6,000 to 12,000 people were murdered.
>Many Imperial soldiers also died in the following months (they remained in the city until February 1528) from diseases caused by the large number of unburied dead bodies in the city. The pillage only ended when, after eight months, the food ran out, there was no one left to ransom and plague appeared.

>>3050556
>le european torture devices are an invention, but all that has been said about the aztec sacrifices is true

>>3050035
If the Euros were justified in wiping out the Aztecs why do you even give a shit if they were killing each other? Lmao.

>>3050466
>> child sacrifice
The Aztecs sacrificed 42 children in 200 years. On the exact same spot the Spanish killed 8000 nobles with their children in a couple of hours. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_in_the_Great_Temple
Cut your racial bullshit, tearing off the chidlren's nails (if the practice is true since the article is unsourced) is still more human than what europeans did:
>They struck some from behind, who fell instantly to the ground with their entrails hanging out [of their bodies]. They cut off the heads of some and smashed the heads of others into little pieces. They struck others in the shoulders and tore their arms from their bodies.

>>3050564
There are literally no references to an Iron Maiden before the 1800s, whereas some version of Aztec human sacrifice is beyond question. The scale is the only thing up for debate.

>>3049998
>>3050569
Repeating yourself there AIDF
>> one corn basket has been deposited into your account

>>3050586
>The scale is the only thing up for debate.
The biggest burial of sacrificed people, again 99% young men i.e, warriors, is 200 people. 650 if you count the different layers of the same structure which correspond to different time periods. The Spaniards killed 8 000 unarmed civillians not in 200 years, but a couple of hours and I literally never seen people making threads to shit on them. The Mongols killed 200 000 - 2 000 000 civillians at Baghad in 1258 and I never see people shitting on them for that, quite the other way around is always some praise for being conquerors and the same goes fo the Spanish.
There's about three threads like this monthly, while in two years I've never have seen people shiting on the Japanese for what the Unit 731 did. Yet they will always claim that the Aztecs were the worst people to ever live.

>>3050644
>atrocities committed during war

Vs

>society built on human sacrifice and torturing children

TRULY A NOBLE PEOPLE

>>3050569
>42 in 200 years
>This instance was the only one
Lol

>>3050656
>society built on human sacrifice and torturing children killed 42 children in 200 years, while europeans killed 8 000 civillians and children in a day, in war that lasted 2-80 years
yeah, truly subhumans

>>3050661
>8 000 unarmed nobles with their children in a couple of hours
>this instance was the only one
Lol

>>3050664
Once they conquered Mexico, did they institute a system that included ripping the still beating hearts out of Aztecs for a thousand years?

Cuz otherwise you're just complaining about invasion tactics, which while brutal by modern standards still didn't include ripping out the fingernails of children so their tears would make it rain.

>>3050670
Not the point. You realize considering the thought that was put into making those children suffer, it was not the first time, neither the last?

>>3050675
>did they institute a system that included ripping the still beating hearts out of Aztecs for a thousand years?
A labour system of 15 hours of work, that increased to 20 when the firars tried to make this "labourer" condition non hereditary and that was re introduced again so all the already sick people wouldn't die. >>3050287
Had the diseases not been introduced, the Spaniards would have faced far, but quite far more revolts.

>>3050676
>"They came to close the exits, the steps, the entrances [to the patio]: The Gate of the Eagle in the smallest palace, The Gate of the Canestalk and the Gate of the Snake of Mirrors. And when they had closed them, no one could get out anywhere. At that moment, they then attacked all the people, stabbing them, spearing them, wounding them with their swords. They struck some from behind, who fell instantly to the ground with their entrails hanging out [of their bodies]. They cut off the heads of some and smashed the heads of others into little pieces. They struck others in the shoulders and tore their arms from their bodies.
I don't see how that's any better

>>3050690
The point is not whether either is better than the other.
It's that you're idolizing and defending a culture that raises children in the most painful way possible to make them suffer as much as possible until their sacrifice.
If that's not inhuman I dont know what is.

>>3050675
>did they institute a system that included ripping the still beating hearts out of Aztecs for a thousand years?

How was slavery better and more human?

>>3050586
Yeah, maybe the Iron Maiden in particular is a myth, but that doesn't mean torture didn't happen, you're arguing the small details of the greater argument. The Spanish Inquisition, for example. In fact, torture was a large part of the justice system in Europe for a long time, read Disipline and Punishment if you want to learn more.

>>3050702
>It's that you're idolizing and defending a culture that raises children in the most painful way possible
the raising was not any worse than europe at the time

>to make them suffer as much as possible until their sacrifice
make them cry, they tearing off their nails is something i have never found a source of. People always cite the florentine codex to say that the parents of the sacrificed children ate the children afterwards, yet they never include the part that says that the children were not tortured.
They cite archaeological researches, but not the ones that point that the children were already sick and not injured alive.

>If that's not inhuman I dont know what is.
Then why shit only on the Aztecs? No one in this thread has claimed that Spaniards were the worst people to ever live for what they did.
Even if they killed unarmed children and their parents without a declaration of war in a worse way. "fell instantly to the ground with their entrails hanging out [of their bodies]. They cut off the heads of some and smashed the heads of others into little pieces. They struck others in the shoulders and tore their arms from their bodies".

>>3050466
>on an industrial scale
>savages
Archieving the logistic infraestructure to subjugate the surrounding cultures, capture and sacrifice 250,000 people anually. When Tenochtitlan was founded the mexicas were nomads that didn´t know shit about farming.

>>3050702
>It's that you're idolizing and defending a culture
Absolute bullshit point, every culture can be accused of doing something morally reprehensible. All of them. I'd consider it a miracle if I ever come across one that hasn't. The problem every time these threads pop is not that people defend human sacrifice but it's that people can't seem to get the aforementioned through their thick skull, and what they do is basically the equivalent of overriding certain information so they can point the finger and fanboy for their favorite football team.

>>3047831
what about the inquisition

Got me reading about it on the wiki pages

It's really interesting, the entirety of aztec culture was based on breaking and sending back parts the material plane to the gods that created it

It seems there were two kinds of human sacrifices: ritualistic sacrifice of captives and sacrifice of volunteers and chosen aztec people. The former placate the gods and the lattter represented the cycle where the gods sustain the universe where the volunteer basically mantled the god like in morrowind.

It would be a pretty cool sacrifice is they only accepted volunteers

>>3049998
Almost one kid every 4 years. Was it for seasonal harvest, war or whenever something bad happened? I'm really curious about why the aztecs sacrificed. Reading the wiki page, it seems child sacrifice where to satisfy the god of rain. It's very possible that the place sthat sacrified to him did it because of disease outbreak. Which is interesting that almost ever 4 years they's have a an outbreak of leprosy.

Also, according to their calendar, they's sacrifice more than one kid per year

It's surreal how a religion practically wired itself to self destruct.

>>3050254
The aztec empire would have collapsed in 10 years.

The spaniards are the gods of timing. Literally every tribe they encountered was basically preparing to rebel.

>>3050287
well, it's what happens when you put the entire biodiversity of the human race, some of which where there since the start, against a isolated population descended from a relatively young human group

>>3050564
>8 months of pillaging
>pillage the city for so long half your army dies of sickness

jesus christ, the PSTD is fucking palpable

>>3050749
But nobody is rooting for the spaniards you shit indian. It's the other way around. Everyone is pointing at how subhuman and savage the Azkeks were, and that nothing of real value was lost. Actually I'd add that the Spanish are a disappointment for me, as they didn't complete the job of exterminating those animals like the vermin they were, and now we have mestizos like you and Pitbull

>>3050862
Amerindians developed faster and reached the early bronze age in less time than eurangutans though. They were pretty much superior.

>>3050809
>The aztec empire would have collapsed in 10 years.
You have nothing to back that up.

>Literally every tribe they encountered was basically preparing to rebel.
Mayans at Yucatan? Repelled them once and then avoided confrontation.
Mayans at Tabasco? Lost against them in a battle, then went to war a second time when they returned two years later.
Totonacs? Allied with the Spanish once they knew about their victory at Tabasco.
Tlaxcalans? Fought gainst them for two weeks until they were convinced that they couldn't bet them so it was better to have them as allies?
Texcocans sided with Ixtlilxochitl II? Offered an alliance only after both their king, Cacamatzin, and the Mexica king Moctezuma II were killed.
The Spaniards would have gone nowhere had it not been for their militar equipment, i.e. steel, cannons and horses >>3050265

>The spaniards are the gods of timing.
Agreed. Somehow they arrived in the year Quetzalcoatl said he would return.

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>>3050311
>continued child sacrifice by a society
vs
> a single massacre thats reason still remains unclear

really? what about muh Inquisition muh Europeans are just as bad, anything is better than that when trying to defend a society that killed and ate their own children....

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>>3050925
>> a single massacre

>>3050934
apparently this particular one was special in defense of continued child sacrifice...

>>3050941
apparently disemboweling and maiming 10 times more children in a day than the child sacrificers in 200 years is completely justified if it's part of a war and the precise reasons remain unclear

>>3050862
>But nobody is rooting for the spaniards you shit indian.
Yes they are. Source: This thread and all the others like it.
We've had multiple threads like this, and nobody can ever seem to get their head out of their ass.

>Everyone is pointing at how subhuman and savage the Azkeks were, and that nothing of real value was lost. Actually I'd add that the Spanish are a disappointment for me, as they didn't complete the job of exterminating those animals like the vermin they were, and now we have mestizos like you and Pitbull
Oh, you're edgy and underage. I should have realized that before I bothered to reply.

>>3050955
>10 times more children in a day than the child sacrificers
citation needed
we discovered 42 bodies. but we know from sources this was done yearly also how do you know how many children where killed during the massacre?

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IDGAF about any of this, but I know for a fact that Cortez The Killer is an awesome song.

>>3050984
>but we know from sources this was done yearly also how do you know how many children where killed during the massacre?
I don't, 8 000 dead according to Francisco López de Gómara, but no precise ammount. Either way if we go for 1%, that's still twice the number of sacrificed by the Aztecs. In 200 years, not a day.

>but we know from sources this was done yearly
yet only 42 have been found, in the most important temple of the empire
I use this massacre as an example because it happened in the exact same place the 42 children were found.

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>>3051016
>yet only 42 have been found, in the most important temple of the empire
probably because they ate them anon.....

>>3050887
>Amerindians
>bronze age
m8 aztec weaponry was sticks and stones. Armor didnt exist. Metals were used for shiny paperweights and tools

>>3051032
They would have kept the skulls for the skullrack. They didn't eat the bones. And cannibalism was done even less than sacrifices.

>>3051049
Bronze weapons were used by Andeans and some Mesoamericans.

>>3051049
>Cortes issued orders to all the townships which lay in the vicinity of Texcoco, and were in alliance with us, for each of them to furnish him with 8000 bronze points for our arrows, to be made after the model of our Spanish ones, of which some were sent them for that purpose.
>He allowed them eight days for the making and delivery of these; and indeed both the arrows and the bronze points arrived at Tezcuco in the time specified. Our stock of these now consisted of 50,000 pieces, and the arrow points made by these people were even better than those we brought from Spain.
- The True History of the Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Diaz del Castillo, Chapter CXLVII

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>>3051064
>>Cortes issued orders to all the townships which lay in the vicinity of Texcoco
for reference

>>3051049
Yes, Incas were starting the bronze age already.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalurgia_precolombina_en_Am
%C3%A9rica#Imperio_Incaico
>Los incas utilizaban el bronce en gran cantidad de armas punzo cortantes y de impacto como los martillos, mazas y hachas de guerra, lanzas y así como cascos para los elementos militares de mayor rango.
Incas used bronze on many weapons of all variety. (maces, hammers, axes, spears). Also they used it to make helmets that higher range soldiers used to wear.

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>>3051049
>As soon as the inhabitants of Guacasualco (Present-day Gulf of Mexico) and the neighbouring districts had learnt that we offered our goods for barter, they brought us all their golden ornaments, and took in exchange green glass beads, on which they set a high value. Besides ornaments of gold, every Indian had with him a bronze axe, which was very highly polished, with the handle curiously carved, as if to serve equally for an ornament as for the field of battle.
- The True History of the Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Diaz del Castillo, Chapter XVI

>>3051055
child skulls wouldn't have fused and would break apart after being cooked and striped.

We have numerous accounts of cannibalism from the Spanish as well as bones with cut marks found.

>>3051049
>As soon as Cortes was apprized of Narvaez's arrival in New Spain, and had received every information respecting the magnitude of his armament, he despatched a soldier who had served in the Italian campaigns, and who possessed an extensive knowledge of weapons and of the best method of fixing points to lances, into the province of the Tchinantecs, where some of our men had gone in search of gold mines. The Tchinantecs were deadly enemies to the Mexicans, and had only a few days previously made an alliance with us. This people used a species of lance, which was much longer than our Spanish lances, and furnished with a sharp double-edged point made of flint. Cortes had heard of this weapon, and sent word to the Tchinantecs to forward him three hundred of such lances, from which however he desired they would take off the flint points and substitute a double one of metal, as they had abundance of bronze in their country. The soldier who was despatched with these orders took a pattern of the point required with him. Cortes' wishes were readily complied with, and as the inhabitants of every township of that province set diligently to work, the lances were soon finished and they turned out most satisfactory.
- The True History of the Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Diaz del Castillo, Chapter CXVIII

>>3051049
Amerindians were superior to europeans, you silly baboon.

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>>3051049
>Metals were used for shiny paperweights and tools
>>3051113
>Cortes, who was advancing with the cavalry from another quarter, fell in with a body of more than 10,000 Mexicans, who were coming to the assistance of the town. The Mexicans, on this occasion, received the charge of the cavalry with fixed lances, and wounded four of our horses. Cortes himself had got into the midst of the enemy, and rode a dark brown horse, which we commonly termed the flatnose. Whether this animal, which was otherwise an excellent horse, had become too fat, or was over-fatigued, I cannot say; but, to be short, it fell down with its rider, and numbers of Mexicans instantly laid hold of our general, tore him away from the saddle, and were already carrying him off. When some of the Tlascallans and the brave Christobal de Olea saw this, they immediately flew to his assistance, and, by dint of heavy blows and good thrusts, they cut their way through to our general, and assisted him into his saddle again. Cortes fortunately escaped with only a wound on the head, but Olea had received three very severe wounds.
- The True History of the Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Diaz del Castillo, Chapter CXLV

>>3050902
>You have nothing to back that up.

It's logic mate. Your entire culture shouts "we are the bad guys" to the four winds, everyone despises your guts or is scared shitless of you. One way or another the azted would have pissed enough people off for a coalition to form at the first sign of weakness.

Cortez was cunning, but his cunning merely kickstarted something that was inevitable.

>>3051091
Did they think the glass was Jade? or good enough to be Jade?

>>3051123
Genetic superiority or technological superiority?

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>>3051169
Isn't it obvious the answer? Both, of course.

Their relative technological development is the reflex of their genetic potential.

They reached America 15000 years after yurangutans settled on yurop. Yet their race for civilization is so fast and organized, that their disadvantages of cultural isolation between south-north continents, coastal cataclysms and lack of horses weren't enough to stop them and surpass relatively the eurangutan.
You cannot literally not make any of this shit up!

>>3047831

Aztecs were absolute savages but the Mayans did not deserve their fate.

>>3051196
>technologically superior
>none of them invent the wheel

>genetically superior
>wiped out by disease

What did they mean by this?

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>>3048425
Anyone who knows the spanish sources can tell you the natives were way worse under spanish rule with whole cities burned to the ground and the population marked with hot iron as slaves to die in the plantations haciendas and mines of the spaniards. Were the aztecs nice? dont think so, no one who controls other people is but the spanish was hell on earth for the people of Mesoamerica.

>>3049985
We have plenty of centuries left for them to watch it.

>>3049999
Dude they made children cry on purpose..

>>3051196
Amerindians never discovered "yurop" and Mastodon reached America before Amerindians. Your distant ancestors randomly migrating somewhere doesn't prove superiority/inferiority.

>>3047831
Oh boy, it's another episode of "dumb anglos shit on Spain for things they never did"

Followed by "THE AZTECS DINDUNUFFING, THEY WERE LOVED BY EVERYONE"

I hate this episode.

>>3050203
It wasn't THEIR population, it was the population of all the tribes around them.

>>3050318
This

Aztecboos are literally the worst. If there is one civilization in America that didn't deserve to be treated as nicely was the fucking Aztecs. Brutality seems to be norm for people living in that region of the world, Mexico is just as bad.

>>3051280
>wheel
Mesoamericans already did it, monkey.
>genetically superior
>wiped out by black fever
What did it mean by this?

>>3051356
>15000 years of offset
Relative isolational analysis of civilizations is something out of monkey's reach. I understand.

Incas were superior to europeans. Deal with it.

>>3050466
>mexishit

It's probably some american LARPer.

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>>3051367
>be guests of the emperor on his main palace
>start hostilities by disemboweling and maiming unarmed civilians, children included, and taking off their gold
b-but aztecs made children cry!! they were mean dindunuffin! dumb anglo lies!!1!

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>>3051412
>Brutality seems to be norm for people living in that region of the world, Mexico is just as bad.
F
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>Guzman's troops everywhere committed terrible depredations. The first province he marched through was Mechoacan, the inhabitants of which still possessed abundance of gold, though not of the finest quality, as it contained a considerable alloy of silver, for which reason Guzman compelled them to contribute a larger amount. Casonci, the principal cazique of the province, boldly refused to give him so great a quantity of gold as he demanded, wherefore Guzman ordered him to be tortured, by pouring hot oil over his feet; but as the unfortunate cazique, notwithstanding all the torments he endured, still remained firm to his purpose, he was ordered to be hung.
- The True History of the Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Diaz del Castillo, CXCVII

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>>3051412
>>3051467

>On 23 September 1523, 23 Portuguese were executed by slicing their bodies into multiple pieces, and their private parts were stuffed into their mouths.[20][22] When more Portuguese ships landed and were seized, the Chinese executed them as well, cutting off the genitalia and beheading the bodies and forcing their fellow Portuguese to wear the body parts, while the Chinese celebrated with music. The genitalia and heads were strung up for display in public, after which they were discarded.[23]

>>3051424
Historical accounts are known for exaggerating numbers. Nowhere in that text it is mentioned that there were children involved. 2 justifications are mentioned, both of which are incredibly likely.

Let's review the facts:
>nobody liked the Aztecs
>it wasn't the Spanish army, but Spaniards leading a native army, who destroyed the Aztecs
>even the fucking Aztecs themselves attacked, and eventually killed, the last Aztec king BECAUSE he had the Spaniards as guests, creating their own situation where they had nobody competent to lead them against the invading force.

You have a civilization that is brutal, barbaric, imperialistic, and is making life hell on earth for everyone around them, and spreading like a cancer trough the continent.

On the other hand you have the Spanish, who IRL did abused the natives way more than they were legally allowed to by the Spanish monarchy, but really improved the quality of life of the people in all of latin america dramatically.

>>3051467
>>3051470
Go read on some actual Mexican history, and you'll see i'm not lying. Literally the shame of the Latin world.

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The think natives and libshits dont want to admit is that all historical evidence proves that native Americans weren't some weak, peaceful, Nobel savage.
They were psychotic shitfucks that practiced slavery and were in an eternal never ending tribal war and thought that the sun would never come up again if they didnt give blood to the blood god.

The white man did them a fucking favor civilizing these garbage people

>>3051472
>You have a civilization that is brutal, barbaric, imperialistic, and is making life hell on earth for everyone around them, and spreading like a cancer
So just like the Spanish. Why replace one aggressive civilization with another that's 100x as aggressive and has the capacity to do 100x more harm and suffering the Aztecs ever could?

>>3051497
No, that was primarily the Aztecs. Human sacrifices in other native cultures were a lot more akin to those of the old European and middle-eastern world.

>>3051498
>Why replace one aggressive civilization with another that's 100x as aggressive

It isn't, the Spanish are the cucks of Europe. Their "mistake" is that they were too nice to the natives, unlike the British and French who genocided them all, so there wasn't anyone left to do the bitching.

The abuses committed by Spaniards were real, but they were completely illegal, and not nearly as common as people make them out to be.

>>3051413
>Relative isolational analysis of civilizations
Can you link me to a peer reviewed study of this? It may well be out of my reach but I want to take a look anyway.

>>3051472
>Historical accounts are known for exaggerating numbers.
say that to all those retards claiming the aztecs killed 25 gorillion people a year

>>even the fucking Aztecs themselves attacked, and eventually killed, the last Aztec king BECAUSE he had the Spaniards as guests
Spaniards who killed unarmed civillians and kidnapped the emperor.
They attacked the Spanish because they killed civillians without a declaration of war for fucks sake.

>creating their own situation where they had nobody competent to lead them against the invading force.
Cuitlahuac. See La Noche Triste

>>nobody liked the Aztecs
Their main allies, the Tlaxcalans ended up isolated not because of conquest, but becuase the other two members of his coallition joined the Aztecs volutarily. Even the Tlaxcalans themselves preferred to kill the Spaniards than ally with them, the Tlaxcalans and the Spaniards fought for about two weeks everyday until the Tlaxcalans gave up. I could claim no one liked the Spaniards aswell and bring up no arguments to back it up.

>>it wasn't the Spanish army, but Spaniards leading a native army, who destroyed the Aztecs
say that to those who claim it was 500 spics who conquered the empire

>You have a civilization that is brutal, barbaric, imperialistic, and is making life hell on earth for everyone around them, and spreading like a cancer trough the continent.
On the other hand you have the Aztecs

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>>3051512
>Their "mistake" is that they were too nice to the natives, unlike the British and French who genocided them all, so there wasn't anyone left to do the bitching.
this
the weak should fear the strong

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>>3051502
natives in america would kidnap white children and keep them part of the tribe and attack random people and scalp them.


Like natives were legit savages living in a forest, no wonder Pocahontas said "fuck this living in the forest shitttt im getting me some white dickk"

And as for the aztecs, their women took them down too, pic related

>>3051537
Malinche was not even Aztec you illiterate fuck

>>3051497
>civilizing
lul

>XVI century europeans
>civilized

>>3051528
>/pol/ retards don't like the aztecs so I do

That's what you are doing.

And yes, nobody liked the Spaniards a lot either at first, but they preferred to allied with them than with the Aztecs, because they considered the Aztecs to be a much bigger threat to them. Obviously this wasn't unanimous, but it was the majority of the tribes.

>le ebin XD

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>>3051547
>La Malinche (Spanish pronunciation: [la maˈlintʃe]; c. 1496 or c. 1501 – c. 1529), known also as Malinalli [maliˈnalːi], Malintzin [maˈlintsin] or Doña Marina [ˈdoɲa maˈɾina], was a Nahua woman from the Mexican Gulf Coast, who played a role in the Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire, acting as an interpreter, advisor, lover, and intermediary for the Spanish conquistador, Hernán Cortés. She was one of 20 women slaves given to the Spaniards by the natives of Tabasco in 1519.[1] Later, she became a mistress to Cortés and gave birth to his first son, Martín, who is considered one of the first Mestizos (people of mixed European and indigenous American ancestry).


Like, historically this is probably the biggest cucking that ever happend

>>3051591
nahua != aztec you dumbass

>>3051591
Not really, the natives of Tabasco were among those who didn't liked the Aztecs I believe.

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>>3051576
>but it was the majority
The majority remained with the Aztecs.

>because they considered the Aztecs to be a much bigger threat to them
Because the Spaniards were undefeated, it was obvious that they had the advantage with cavalry and cannons. The Tlaxcalans only offered an alliance until they fought for two weeks without achieving a single victory against the Spaniards.

>>3051591
I was about to pull the refugee card, but i rather leave the cuck fantasies to you guys

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>>3051606
>>3051612

>The historical figure of Marina has been intermixed with Aztec legends (such as La Llorona, a woman who weeps for her lost children).[2] Her reputation has been altered over the years according to changing social and political perspectives, especially after the Mexican Revolution, when she was portrayed in dramas, novels, and paintings as an evil or scheming temptress.[3] In Mexico today, La Malinche remains iconically potent. She is understood in various and often conflicting aspects as the embodiment of treachery, the quintessential victim, or simply as symbolic mother of the new Mexican people. The term malinchista refers to a disloyal countryperson, especially in Mexico.


that feel when you are captured as a slave girl and then the white man comes and you help him destroy the natives

>>3051622
That's the participants in the battle, the Spanish got supplies and other kinds of support from other tribes.

>the majority remained with the Aztecs
Except they didn't.

>Because the Spaniards were undefeated, it was obvious that they had the advantage with cavalry and cannons.

They weren't, the Aztecs had already defeated the Spanish in battle before at that point. You people way overplay the importance of cavalry in the conquest of America, it really wasn't a big in a place with so little in the way of open plains.

>>3051666
>>the majority remained with the Aztecs
>Except they didn't.
not an argument, not a source

>They weren't, the Aztecs had already defeated the Spanish in battle before at that point.
Stop fucking pushing your agenda. The Tlaxcalans allied with the Spaniards in 1519, while the defeat of the Spaniards was in 1520, when they were fleeing the city after the massacred the civilians at the Great Temple.

>>3051688
Even the little wikimemedia crop you used doesn't show any allies on the Aztec side. And I've never seen anyone claim that even a single tribe offered them help.

>civilian massacre

Every source I've seen of that event claims it was a warrior gathering.

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>>3051628
>that feel when you are captured as a slave girl and then the white man comes

>>3051497
I'll tell you one, when you monkey give me a valid peer-reviewed comparison of eurangutans being better at ANYTHING than Amerindians. hehe

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Europe had already sacrifices at the late bronze age. Meanwhile, early bronze age America also had this. Do you monkeys actually thi-, hehe silly eurangutans.

>>3047831
What of it? It was their custom.

>>3051780
ehehehehehehehe ay no mames pinches gringos con sus mamadas hehehehehehe uuuuy SALUDOS AMIGOS

>>3052133
Cierra el culo cucaracho.

>>3050287
That's city life for you.

>>3050537
What? You sound like a delusional Spaniard who thinks he's Monty.

>>3051055
>They would have kept the skulls for the skullrack.
TRULY CIVILIZED

>>3052176
Irrelevant. Pathetic cultures of bronze age europe also practiced sacrifice and some also child sacrifice. The """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""civilizations"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" were so weak that they only managed to do some before they killed themselves for being such subhuman savages.

>>3052176
The point is even if they ate most of the kids they wouldn't disappear. Hence evidence would not disappear.

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>Be an oppressive savage empire
>Get conquered
>Complain that the conquerors are more powerful and oppressive

>>3051326
Tears were sacred. Their meaning had a different connotation in their culture.

Aztecs literally did nothing wrong. If anything they gave their conquered provinces too much independence and freedom.

>>3051497
>Spaniards
>White

>>3051311
>and posts a modern painting absolutely not biased to support what he said.

>>3052443
>missing the point.

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>>3047831
This is why romanticism and revisionism of the Incas and Aztecs are unhealthy.
Look at what a mess you create.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij8mEFdUTjQ

>>3050029
>Killing someone in a fight is equivalent to murder and torture of innocents.
Gold medal at the Special Olympics Mental Gymnastics

>>3052460
oh, i'm sorry, I didn't knew shitposting was not considered legitimate.

>>3052468
Makes sense the asians would glorify them, they're the second group most entitled to WE WUZ about it after...Well...Actual amerindians still around.

>>3050545
>Those mean Europeans, torturing people by the hundreds over a millenia
>This justifies the torture, killing, and eating of children ingrained by a culture
The Spanish were bad too, but it's pure contrarianism to say that much of Mesoamerican civilization wasn't pretty fucked.

>>3051196
>Europeans have guns while Amerindians have obsidian weaponry
>Therefore the Amerindians are inherently better
t. Pedro Gonzalez

>>3052583
>Isolated people didn't got steel from the Mesopotamians nor gunpowder from the Chinese
>Therefore Europeans are inherently better
t. John Smith

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>>3052258
>get conquered
>x
hehe

The fall of the Inca empire is mainly due to the infectious diseases that killed more than 90% of the population and desestabilized the system, the civil war, which was started thanks to the death of the Sapa Inca due to an eurangutan illness, and the battles between natives.
Spanish just kept doing what they did on their mainland: backstab everyone, even their own kind hehe

History demonstrates it. Incas were superior to europeans.

Aztecs were just doing what eurangutans were doing in the yuropean bronze age; the difference was that eurangutans couldn't even manage to build such civilization of great proportions, and only managed to kill a small bunch before their own people backstab each other to death.
>>3052583
And this fact will never EVER dissapear, chimpies. Amerindians reached America 15000 years after eurangutans settled on europe.

Good luck with your extinction, subhumans.

>>3052618
>And this fact will never EVER dissapear, chimpies. Amerindians reached America 15000 years after eurangutans settled on europe
>Being a nomad in the same place gives you an advantage over being a nomad who moves to another continent
:thinking:

>>3052470
>>Killing someone in a fight is equivalent to murder and torture of innocents.
like the 8 000 massacred civillians you goddamn genius?
Because 99% of the sacrificed people were warriors captured in battle.

>>3051398
how the fuck did you miss the OP
>>3047831
>In History of the Things of New Spain Sahagún confesses he was aghast by the fact that, during the first month of the year, the child sacrifices were approved by their own parents

>>3052258
>One oppresive and savage empire conquers another
>bloody hell those shitskins were subhumans

>>3052618
southern americans got beat by a few hundred spaniards
they're a joke, their continent is a joke, their legacy is non-existent
lmao

>>3052176
>They would have buried the bodies of the dismembered and disemboweled civillians that were attacked unarmed without a declaration of war, before having their jewelry removed
TRULY CIVILIZED

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>>3052140
lmao

>Spanish conquistador Hernán Cortés arrived in Tenochtitlan on November 8, 1519. With an estimated population between 200,000 and 300,000, many scholars believe Tenochtitlan to have been among the largest cities in the world at that time.[14] Compared to Europe, only Paris, Venice and Constantinople might have rivaled it. It was five times the size of the London of Henry VIII.[6] In a letter to the Spanish king, Cortés wrote that Tenochtitlan was as large as Seville or Córdoba.
>"The next morning we reached the broad high road of Iztapalapan, whence we for the first time beheld the numbers of towns and villages built in the lake, and the still greater number of large townships on the mainland, with the level causeway which ran in a straight line into Mexico."
>"Our astonishment was indeed raised to the highest pitch, and we could not help remarking to each other, that all these buildings resembled the fairy castles we read of in Amadis de Gaul; so high, majestic, and splendid did the temples, towers, and houses of the town, all built of massive stone and lime, rise up out of the midst of the lake. Indeed, many of our men asked if what they saw was a mere dream. And the reader must not feel surprised at the manner in which I have expressed myself, for it is impossible to speak coolly of things which we had never seen nor heard of, nor even could have dreamt of, beforehand."
Bernal díaz del Castillo, True History of the Conquest of New Spain Chapter LXXXVII

>"Moctezuma He possessed out of the city as well as within, numerous villas, each of which had its peculiar sources of amusement, and all were constructed in the best possible manner for the use of a great prince and lord. Within the city his palaces were so wonderful that it is hardly possible to describe their beauty and extent; I can only say that in Spain there is nothing equal to them."
- Hernan Cortes, Second Letter of Relation to Charles V

>>3052730
Of course Hernán Cortés loved them.We keep telling you that but you keep thinking the Europeans were killing and oppressing them on mass.

>>3052698
it was easy to kick them out after people learned to shot and ride , thats why they couldn't beat the mapuches and the charruas lmao.

>>3052741
>Of course Hernán Cortés loved them.
ahh yes

>We keep telling you that but you keep thinking the Europeans were killing and oppressing them on mass.
riight >>3048449

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>>3052650
>indoeuropeans being nomads for 15000
hehe
>11000 B.C. agricultural evidence on Greece
>8000 B.C. mesoamerica
mokeys, heh
>>>3052698
There is burn ointment on the store, chimpie.

There is no escape. Your extinction is near. hehe

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>>3052770
What are your thoughts on interracial marriages between the Spanish and the natives?
Do you have a problem with it?

>>3052776
JEJEJEJEJEJEJEJE

>>3050154

Matre Dios! Hyou dare question the quarter million?

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>>3052776
Oops it actually was 10000 B.C. and 6000 B.C. :(

Hmm, 4000 of advantage, eurangutans...
>>3052843
:)
>>3052795
:(
>>3052891
Incas were superior to europeans. Deal with it.

>>3052904
Go back to the kitchen Jacinto, you are creeping out the tourists.

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Daily reminder that queen Maxima of Holland is descendant of the Inca rulers.

>europeans getting cucked by the second

>>3052468
Those designs (of the Aztec and Maya) while inaccurate are still cute.

>>3052795
>What are your thoughts on interracial marriages between the Spanish and the natives?
Saved the lives of their offspring by acquiring immunity to the old world diseases

>Do you have a problem with it?
Wouldn't care if the whole Aztec population was replaced by any other race as long the culture was still there
They regarded every living being equally worthy to a human live, they even used to beg forgiveness for the killed trees and plants, they were the only culture I know of that worried about the things killed everyday so humans could live. They did not only had to develop the qualities every other being developes, but to die in battle or be sacrifice for the gods just like the beings who had to give their lives for us.
Seems that's something people can't simply grasp off, it's much more easy to just forget about that dead tree or animal who would not see another day. Everyday.
And yes, I'm completely aware that sacrificing people won't bring the dead back, even if it's a more meaningful answer than just disregard the dead.

Either way I'm off guys. It was quite fun shitpost with both of you who disagreed and agreed.

>>3052970
Wait is this true?

>>3052980
The mapuche one also looks more like a heavily Spanish version of a mapuche, rather than a traditional one. Not suprising considering they were probably drawn based on some touristic visit.

>>3047831
Man these guys must have been seriously bored from the lack of competition in central America. If they had enemies they could focus that bloodlust of them instead if lil kids.

>>3052984
Yes.

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>>3052910
Shart or aussie-protochimp?
>>3052984
Inca superior race never died.

Inferior chimps, deal with reality and accept your extinction. hehe

>>3052984
>Fernandez Cornejo family, originally established in Arequipa and with presence in Moquegua, Bolivia and Argentina. Descended from Catalina Páucar Ocllo, daughter of the Inca Tupac Hualpa, of the Tupac Yupanqui lineage, through her granddaughter Mariana de Grado Maldonado married to Diego Fernández Cornejo. Among the descendants of this pair are the Argentine politicians Jose Antonio Fernandez Cornejo, Jorge Zorreguieta and the Queen Maxima of the Netherlands, in addition to the Peruvian politicians Nicolas de Araníbar Fernandez Cornejo, José Gregorio Paz Soldán, Toribio Pacheco and José Luis Bustamante And Rivero, including Peruvian intellectuals and writers: Mariano Eduardo de Rivero and Ustariz, brothers Mateo and Mariano Felipe Paz Soldán, Juan de Arona, José Santos Chocano and Mario Vargas Llosa.

>>3052151
I admit I am not a history buff on notable figures talking about the Catholic Church but, who is Monty?

>>3052531
>just people
Yea I am sure that they never ever would do harm to a kid, not like you don't have entire royal families which included the kids getting slaughtered. Not to mention knights pillaging during a war and raping anything with a hole.

Anyone who uses Del Castillo o De las Casas should be killed on the spot.

Also make up your minds, in one post you call spaniards evil genociders and the next one say that diseases and other tribes did all the work.

You dumb mad spic.

>>3051470
>private parts
lol who wrote this shit

DO IT AGAIN CORTES

>>3053279
Are you ranting to yourself?

>>3053279
Fuck you man my gf is Castillo and she's redpilled af.

>>3053279
You do know Spaniards are spics right?

>>3053404
Kek

>>3053413
Basically in anons mind it is 'nuh uh they are actually blond blue eyed aryans because they did things i like' or some shit.

>>3053523
the spanish are literally white. this is such a meme. Sure theyre a little tan but so are italians and greeks and theyre white too.

t. not that anon, just some pale anglo

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>>3047831
Anyone stupid enough to think the white race has done anything particularially inmoral is an idiot not worth responding to.
If I cared about the new world I would celebrate the years herban cortes and pizarro conquered the world, but a land filled with indians doesnt interest me.

>>3053557
But they are still spics. Spic = slang for Hispanic. Hispanics are people who speak Spanish or is of Spanish culture. Also it refers to Hispania the latin name for the Spaniards.

>>3053586
Who's Herban?

>>3053591
Well you know, those are the GOOD ones that did things they like. They will totally spare those ones when that rope day they jerk it to every night will supposedly come.

>>3053653
But most latin americans are literally /pol/tards, while the average Spaniard is an average neo-con libtard with tankie fantasies. That would be like shooting themselves in the foot.

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>>3053279
>evil genociders
>diseases and other tribes did all the work
Silly eurangutan, both aren't exclusive from each other.
>>3053586
Stop spamming your ugly face, subhuman moor.

America belongs to the Amerindians.

Prepare your luggage.

>>3050728
Can you stop posting the same warfare atrocitity. It lacks any relevance to peace time atrocities.

>>3050809
>The spaniards are the gods of timing. Literally every tribe they encountered was basically preparing to rebel.

This. An army of rebelling natives lead by a spearpoint of extremely militarily technologically advanced invaders with a monopoly on cavalry could have toppled most if not every empires.

>>3048449
>During his absence, Moctezuma asked deputy governor Pedro de Alvarado for permission to celebrate Toxcatl (an Aztec festivity in honor of Tezcatlipoca, one of their main gods).

This narrative completely removes the event from its context. Montezuma was being held hostage but by that point had already lost authority over his people. The inhabitants of the city were restless and ready to attack the Spanish. When Cortez left to fight Narvaez, Alvarado had only a very small force to maintain the occupation. Alvarado believed that the Aztecs were gathering to plan their attack and that a pre-emptive strike was his only option to survive. Maybe he was right, we don't know.

>>3053591
Putting a spaniard and a mexican in the same group is retarded but again, americans started it.

>>3053269
Montezuma?

>>3053885
It's not surprising latin america is filled with uneducated ignorant people. Combine that with the fact the we got dumped with Europe's garbage so the whites of latin america are the worst. There's decent ones of course. Also latin america was like some ideological experiment throughout the 20th century so it's not surprising you get autistic larpers on /pol/. Most come from Hispachan or Monstruochan.

>>3054630
native americans have lower IQs than white people so the übermensch conquerors who seeded your ancestors in fact raised your intelligence

>>3053269
County of Monte Christo?

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>>3054641
But Incas were genetically and relatively technologically superior, how do these monkeys spout such delusions?

>>3054444
>slaughter 8000 people trying to celebrate a holiday they've celebrated for millennia

>maybe we was right

>mayhem and murder for the sole sake of preserving power

>we don't know


>maybe he was right


>we just don't know

>>3054641
Nah they didn't. You should have kept your stupidity contained to your shores.

Also
>still believes in IQ pseudoscience.

>>3047831
No, no action taken in all of history has ever been justified.

>>3054922
>>3050569
>>3048449
>>3049998
>MUH 8000
Is this the new muh 6 gorrilion? At least add a few zeros in there, 8000 is nothing.

>>3054926
>IQ is pseudoscience
Time to stop posting.

>>3054970
Inuits have higher IQs than eurangutans. Get out of America.

Prepare your luggage.

>>3054961
No the muh 250,000 sacrifices a year is the new 6 gorillion

>>3054961
Nice substantive argument. Really showed him.

>>3054977
>Inuits have higher IQ
I doubt that.

>>3054978
The mere existance of human sacrifice in their religion is enough to justify an intervention.

>>3054983
>The mere existance of human sacrifice in their religion is enough to justify an intervention.
Why?

>>3054937
In all seriousness though, this is like asking if Alaric's sack of Rome was justified. The answer is no, it was motivated by greed like every other action in human history. The Spaniards would probably have started sacrificing children too if they thought they would gain something out of it.

>>3054988
It's gravely immoral, barbaric and an insult to God.

>>3047831
One crime does not justify another, especially when the former occurred thousands of miles from its territory. Stop trying to relativize the destruction of other civilizations based on our own cultural perspective.

>>3054995
Just because you lack any awareness of morality doesn't mean that other people are the same.

>>3055008
Who's morality are we talking about here? Yours?

> children
It's like sacrifice animals. Not a big deal.

>>3054983
So, it would be fair to destroy your ancestors and never let you develop?
Late bronze age eurangutans already did sacrifices, even iron age eurangutans did this.

>>3054983
Oops. It's actually only visual IQ.
>From Race Differences in Intelligence by Richard Lynn


>The Inuit children obtained a mean IQ of 106 in relation to a white mean of 100. She writes that "Caucasians who have traveled with Inuit frequently remark on their extraordinary ability to travel through what seems to be a featureless terrain by closely observing the smallest land-marks and memorizing their spatial locations."

>Good visual memory helps spelling because it makes it possible to recall the shapes of words. This is probably why females are much better at spelling than males (Lynn, 1992): they have better visual memories (Halpern, 2000; Kimura, 2002).

It is likely that the strong visual memory of Inuit has a genetic basis. It has been found by Osborne and Gregor (1966) that visual memory has a high heritability. Even 9-year-old Inuit children had significantly better visual memory than Europeans, and it seems unlikely that children of this young age would have acquired this strong ability through training, even if this is possible.

It has only proved possible to find one study of the brain size of Arctic Peoples. Smith and Beals (1990) give brain sizes for ten populations of which the mean is 1,444cc. They give a brain size for Europeans of 1,368cc. The difference of 76cc is substantial. Brain size is associated with intelligence among individuals and the same association would be expected to hold between groups. The larger brain size of the Arctic Peoples leads to the expectation that they would have higher IQs than Europeans, yet this is not the case.

>>3054922
>hmmm, we have 2 sources citing realistic motives, that are considered by most to be the accurate ones

>lawl nah it was that the spaniards LITERALLY just saw gold and chimped out

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>>3056844
why dont you believe the accounts of people like this fine fellow?
He seems like a reasonable fellow probably concerned for the safety of his fellow countrymen.Why just the other day he was telling me he opened up a home for the orphaned children at the top of his temple.
SO brave so noble....

>>3054996
God isn't real and morality is relative. Also the notion of barbarity is purely subjective/POV.

>>3054996
Kys christfag.

>>3051497
> psychotic shitfucks
Fitting for a group of people that doesn't mind who'd they murder or tourture in order to get their gold, but then again they civilize them by replaicing one psychosis for another

>>3054996
To wich one?

>>3051780
Considering they conquered the continent, i'll put forward Spaniards are better at continent conquering

>>3058368
Offset technological cronological frame of reference. Bronze age eurangutans were cattle.

Incas were superior.

>>3050287

Yeah, so? How is that relevant? Was the plague brought from the East through the Silk Road responsibility of the Chinese society? No. Pathogens have always and will always circulate among human populations. The fact that in the Americas they had less domesticated animals and therefore less probability of trans-species transmission of diseases and the immunological defenses to fight them is not responsibility of XVI century European society, just bad luck.

>>3050545

"They did it too!" is not an argument:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

>>3051196

>unironically still believes in the Clovis culture dates of the population of the Americas

Get yourself a history book, fag

>>3058584
Incas were superior, chimpie. Time to read your first book.

>>3058398
offset environmental differences and the fact the incas never made bronze

>>3058644
>bronze
Hehe ignorant chimp.

Incas were superior since the beginning hehe. Deal with it.

>>3052997
Incas are lower then mongols though

Euros are superior to all..
Deal with life

>>3052970
Incas were subhuman "nordics" confirmed.

>>3053591
The word spics were always used for South Americans retard they called spainards
Dagos or nards

>>3055046
The little ant is mad
>average iq of south americans is 75 flat
>but "mua incas"
Grab some tree bark for some tissues chimpo

>>3058651
show evidence the incas made bronze

>>3058685
Incas had an easy mode civilization very fertile for growth and they still got
EXTINCTd

>>3058703
You wish the Incas went extinct. There wouldn't be so many andinian shitposters then.

>>3058722
They're just a mixed sub breed larping as monkeys it's nothing new.Im pretty sure one of them is an Aussie though

>>3058684
hehe
History demonstrates Inca superiority and Amerindian technology that surpassed shithope from the bronze age. Deal with it.

>>3058657
hehe
History demonstrates Inca's superiority.

Early bronze age Amerindian technology was immensely better and superior to bronze age europe. Try again, chimpie.
>>3058685
Monkey can't even use google?
>>3058703
Amerindians had less cultures to trade with, no naval tech from the north-africans, isolation between North-South America, harsh climate that destroyed coastal cities, no anatolian nor egyptian to give them the wheel, writting, iron and horses, yet Amerindians reached the bronze age quickly and invented writting and the wheel by themselves.

Try again.
>>3058734

Eurangutans can't deal with facts huh?
Incas were superior to europeans. Deal with it.

Jesus this thread is ridiculous. Wish we could get a good actual Amerindian thread.

Latin American here

I think the Mesoamerican civilizations deserved to be destroyed like Sodoma and Gomorra (even if those cities never existed), because of how evil and psychotic they were.
I also think the same of Nazi Germany btw, Germany surely would have been destroyed if not for the cold war.

I feel different about the civilizations of the South American Andes, but then, far mroe remains of those civilations.
The average Mexican is half Spanish half Native, in Peru natives are half of the people and in Bolivia the majority, and millions still speak Quechua and Aymara. In a way, the civilizations of the Andes are still alive.

>>3059454
You know nothing of Mesoamerican civilizations.

>>3047831
Asstecs were the lowest nigger-tier culture in the Americas.
They deserved everything they got.
Even other tribes quite rightly joined the Spaniards to defeat them.
Today they are still shit.
Faggy chicanos will still try to appropriate that shit for 'muh aztlan, muh reconquista' fuck them

>>3055046
>she

Stopped reading there

>>3058912
>hurrrr im bettarr than you""
Nope

Euros are superior
Incas are dead
The few that are around are irrelevant subants

Sucks for you
Keep crying though :)

>>3058912
>less to trade with
Europe in early history had no one to trade with you had surrounding countries.Youre definitely illiterate

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>>3047831

If anything, we should bring the practice back.

We could do with a good population control.

Also killing children sends them straight to heaven. Why do you want to send more souls to hell?

>>3059924
>>3059924
When eurangutans had no-one to trade with, Amerindins didn't even reach America hehe
Incas were superior. Deal with it.

Let's see later who is superior between muslim peasants and the entire euranguta """"""""civilization"""""""""

>>3059996
Speak English mongrel just like I taught you
Euros are superior in every way
These are facts
Incas were always irrelevant cattle and now they are irrelevant ants
Haha
You are gone.

>>3060009
A shart chimp? Answer me when you have something relevant, subhuman.

>>3060033
>is a shitape
Make me laugh more subshit

>>3059816
Back to >>reddit

People defending the aztecs:
>Posting sources

People attacking the aztecs:
>Not posting sources, and when they do, it's infowars level garbage

Gee

>>3061699
That's not an argument. The European sources are all in agreement.

And at any rate the we wuzzers keep using the word eurangotang.

>>3051326
So do doctors

>>3050267
Well to be fair the Spanish did have cavalry, metal weapons and armor, artillery, and a large number of native allies

>>3050116
leave then dickhead

>>3061699
The inca "defenders" don't address the sources and just sperg out like a subanimal should

>>3061719
So you're saying autism is involved?

>>3048517
>>3048449
Just to point out, it is very well known that Cortes was minor (very minor) nobility, and wished to increase his prestige. You did this by giving gold and sheeeeeitttt to the queen, and/or carving out a vassalage for yourself/your Royal.

As Cortes was a nobody compared to many other commanders, he was perhaps more desperate than average to prove something. Many of his contemporaries remark about what a dick he was.

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War and conquest is seldom justified. The Aztecs posed no threat to Spain. But they had stuff worth stealing. Aztec culture was cruel, and it is hard not to feel a sort of satisfaction in seeing their degenerate barbarisms quashed by meeting more than their match in the no-nonsense Spaniards. For those who want to cite the Spanish Inquisition as a counter-argument of Aztec-tier cruelty, the Inquisition was not as bad as protestant British historians said it was (creating one of the greatest propaganda memes ever). The vast majority of those questioned by the Inquisition were let go. The Inquisition made sense after centuries under Islamic rule. Spain wanted to ensure no foreign influence ever entered the nation to undermine it again. We see this in an extreme form in 1607 when Philip III booted out all the people in Spain of Jewish/Moorish ethnicity who were Christian - just to make certain.
Anyway, the conquest was not justified, but it was bound to happen one way or another. If Spain didn't take it, another later colonial power would have gobbled it up.

>>3061750
>many of his contemporaries remark about what a dick he was

Some old money are assholes who look down on new money? What's new?

>>3050392
The early Norse in 'Vinland' didn't actually have much regular contact or trade with the natives. They basically (unknowingly) raided each other's storage sheds, knicked each others shit, which pissed them both off, and led to clashes the few odd times they did meet up. These Norse settlements were on the extreme north-west of Newfoundland, whereas Beothuk settlements would've been more concentrated on the south-east of the island.

It is also estimated the 'Beothuk' were no more than 1000 people on the entire island of Newfoundland. They were probably related to Mi'kmaqs, maybe Innu/Montagnais, but most certainly an Algonquian-family language. Even during later European settlement (which was never exactly high), their numbers were small and they were seldom met. Euros infected them, some were assimilated, and that is that.

>>3061764
Many conquistadors were people in such positions. Technically 'noble', but poor as fuck. It's like if we sent some ghetto thugs from da hood to entreat with alien lifeforms light years away.

>ITT: Moral Gymnastics

>>3061743
He meant Aztec dedenders, you chimp.

Incas were superior to europeans though.

>>3049998
So you believe 50 men were able to slaughter 8k people? Are you fucking stupid?
Also whats with the lamenting of europeans fucking shit up? Last i heard they hadent been literally collecting skulls on a mountain for their god or making sacrificing their prisoners of war.

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>>3050049
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-archaeology-skulls-idUSKBN19M3Q6

>>3050081
>250,000 were killed a year

are you for real?

>>3062005
Keep replying subchimp
Euros are superior
You had no writing
And you were raped into submission

Good

>>3062005
>Aztec and incas
>not the same shit hence subhuman
Lol
>dedenders"""
Dumb bitch

>>3050644
>mongols
Muzzies in my ears 24/7 bout muh wrath of god that was kahn
>literally just switched from 731 thread
>not once have i ever heard anyone not becry the sacking of rome
>aztecs dindu nuffin it wuz whitey! Never forgetti the spanish crimes against the bane of the continent
You are aware of the hypocrisy of you claiming the 8k figure be accurate despite being given by only one source that was unquestionable biased against the spanish while their accounts are of course made up right?

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>>3051196
Yes you obviously can. For one its not known when who came to the americas but the south americans sure as hell were neither the first nor isolated. They on top of that literally lived in some of the richest lands protected by dense jungles and completely cut off and protectable water supplies and well established salt trade routes.
If they truly were so far ahead of the rest how come they believed the yroputangs fucked the living shit out of them? Doesnt the claim of superior genetics usually go with survival?
>>3051413
>Relative isolational analysis of civilizations
Is relative based on factors that can not be isolated or hold up to scrutiny just like your arguments which is why you resort to name calling when it is so painfully obvious you are just dwelling in the romantic delusion of yet another people that got their asses handed to them the true subhumans right. That is what you are saying no? 8k dead and it only took 50 subhumans well boy oh boy were they inferior to the noble aztecs

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>>3062144
Also oldest writing was Europe after that asiatics

>>3061699
Gee it sure sounds like you ignored half the conversation.

>>3061743
Nobody is attacking the Incas, there's just some peruvian/US larper shitposting about them and some faggots responding.

>>3047831
>The number 42 is, in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams, the "Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything", calculated by an enormous supercomputer named Deep Thought over a period of 7.5 million years.

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>>3062083
This fact will never ever dissapear, shartape.
Amerindians reached America 15000 years after eurangutans settled on yurop.

Yet, they developed quicker than those eurochimps and invented post-middleages eurangutan """"""""""""""""technology"""""""""""""""".

Deal with it.
>>3062093
Ignorant primate, reply to me when you read at least a single text of the matter.
>>3062144
>resources
At least a worthy post. Mind if you explain your point?
>superior genetics
Yes, african genes are superior to eurangutan ones. The eurangutan females have all the black fever. They worship the black warrior.

Eurangutans literally let muslim peasants and mexican alcoholics to replace them.

>factors cannot be isolated
>actually eurangutan """"""""""""""""civilization"""""""""""""""" was isolated to the amerindian civilization
Yes, I wonder hoy accurate evaluation of superiority based on backstabbing, genociding and killing unarmed people. hehe

Incas were superior to europeans. That's what History demonstrates.

>>3062160
hehe
Amerindians reached America 15000 years after eurangutans settled on yurop. I wonder how many facts are eurangutans gonna deny hehe

>>3050029
There's a difference between war and human sacrifices

>>3050059
>Burned alive anyone who could read and write mayan
That's just a pile of bullshit and you believe it

>>3050392
Maybe because the population-density where the spaniards arrived were a lot higher than where the vikings arrivee

>>3062183
Keep replying ape your ignorant on the fact that most cultures invented writing before you (euros being the first)
You are a weak afterthought
You had easy mode
And you still got conquered like a subchimp that you are


I'm sure you'll reply to this with
>hur incaa hur hur"
Pathetic but you can't expect much with you subs.If books are too hard for you read a wikipage to learn truth antboy.

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>>3062265
Can you quit replying to blatant bait? Or are you samefagging?

>>3052904
You got IBERIAN'd.

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>>3061757
>conquest was not justified, but it was bound to happen one way or another. If Spain didn't take it, another later colonial power would have gobbled it up
A good reply in a 4chan post?? Who the fuck do you think you are mister? GET OUT!

>>3062267
That peruvian mutt already knows his place.Its funny how he sperges out though

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>>3062265
This fact will never dissapear chimpie. Amerindians reached America 15000 years after eurangutans settled on europe. hehe

Eurangutans had more time, yet Amerindians developed at a faster rate.

All history and reports demonstrate it. Shart-ape, reply to me when you got any proof of eurangutan "superiority". hehe
>>3062269
Incas were superior to europeans, though.

>>3062297

You incacaas are born inferior you can't help it you can't even walk straight without us I already told you we are superior look up Bronze Age on wiki but you have a brain the size of a cashew
You had easy mode
And still lost
Raped to submission

Continue to make me laugh though
subant

>>3062307
Explain your point. You provided claims that contradict history. Try again, shart-ape.

Incas were superior to europeans, and your inferior brain can't prove it wrong.

>>3047831
Quick get John Green on this! Stat!

>>3062312
See>>3062160
All independently
You had easy mode while euros had to worry about the near east and parts of North Africa I know you are finally coming to terms with the truth

Euros are superior to all
Incas are domesticated animals much like sheep dogs

Facts are facts

>>3062325
Irrelevant knowing that Amerindians reached America 15000 years after eurangutans settled on europe. That's a fact, monkey. hehe

>easy mode
Isolation between north-south America, less cultures to trade with(Andes isolation east-west), harsh climate that wiped out coastal cities, no north african nor anatolian cultures to give them, wheel, writting, iron, horses, naval technology. Amerindians definitely had a strong disadvantage. hehe

Yet they reached the bronze age in less time than eurangutans.hehe They invented writting and wheel without those anatolian nor northafrican cultures, meanwhile eurangutans got it from them.

That's history. Incas were superior to europeans.hehehe Deal with it.

>>3062342
I already told you they were independent and before you animals one of the oldest wheels was found in Europe you had more countries to trade with since your land was much fertile and you had a very easy irrigation system to toil

Euros are superior
It's not even close
Honest truth

Now get to the kitchen Javier

>>3062297
t.iberian stillborn

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>>3062359
>oldest wheel
Irrelevant knowing that Amerindian reached America 15000 years after eurangutans settled on europe.
>had more countries
This chimp can't be serious.
>land was much fertile
Yep, he is serious.
>very easy irrigation system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incan_agriculture
Amerindians had to develop superior agriculture even thought they got 15000 years after eurangutans setttled europe.

Andes mountains isolated east-west cultures.

Incas were superior to europeans. You literally nothing to back your delusions up.

Try again, chimpie.

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>>3062405
>15000 years after they settled on europe
Lol speak English monkey
->"Irrelevant knowing that Amerindian sett-
Oh so you're deflecting
Lol
Typical domesticated half breed
Keep typing caca deep down you know that...

Euros are superior to all
incas are a mixed babboon meat soup

Embrace it

>that buttblasted sudaca

>>3062445
>>3062460
Hehe you literally avoided that fact. Try again, subhuman.

Incas were superior to europeans. History demonstrates it. Deal with it, bonobo boy heheh

>>3062516
>doesn't address anything
>"me smat hue hue"
Keep dancing spic
Euros are superior
Incas are turds incarnate

>>3062540
Until you prove it wrong or post a valid argument with sources, you won't get a single reply from your superior. Got it, chimpie?

Have fun on your shithole. Hehe

>>3062546
I already did you just ignore it subfly

Euros conquered you
Domesticated you
Raped you

Get over it and flip a tortilla
Always remember the Spanish genes impregnated your mothers rectum kiddo :)

>>3062405
>proving his point