Would Middle Easterners be considered white if they werent

>>3038905

Outdated shitmap.

>>3038905
>idiots in 2017 still think Muslim is an ethnicity or racial classification

>>3038905
>Would Middle Easterners be considered white
They're already considered white by most, or at least a subset of white. For example, the US Census Bureau considers them to be white.

>>3038910

Because a certain ethnoreligious group doesn't want to complicate their identity. No other reason.

>>3038905
White is not a race, caucasoid is a race, and arabs and berbers are caucasoids.

>>3038906
No

>>3038918
Yes

Italians, Greeks, Irish, and Iberians were not considered white by the Anglo, the G*rman and the French.

>>3038924
The map isnt wrong just because it doesnt fit your narrative

>>3038905
Certain levantines could pass as Southern Europeans desu. A lot of people find it surprising that Syrians and Lebanese people aren't as dark as gulf Arabs or pakis. People tend to forget that levantine people are also Mediterranean

>>3038905
No, they are mulattoes.

>>3038918

Middle Easterners have a Caucasus-Iran component that is larger than their ancient Neolithic farmer component, all of them.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/07/worlds-first-farmers-were-surprisingly-diverse

>The two groups of farmers, who lived about 2000 kilometers and 2000 years apart, must have descended from completely different groups of hunter-gatherers who separated 46,000 to 77,000 years ago, Burger says.

>>3038940
Are Georgians and Armenians white?

>>3038947
A lot are and a lot aren't

>>3038935
Sigh... I'm dealing with a biased ignoramus

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>>3038905
Some are
If islam was never a thing, I imagine they would be considered the 'darker' shade of white people, similar to southern Europe to northern Europe, but on further spectrum

>>3038968
Kys..

>>3038956
What about Iranians and Turks?

>>3038905
Definewhite people

>>3038976
Iranians? For the most part yes.

>>3038984
And Turks

>>3038905
I am a non-Muslim of such geographic origins and I do not consider myself to be of a different basic race from Muslims, or the same one as Europeans, and this belief is shared by more than a few.

Logically, there is less of a cultural separation from anti-European sentiment found among some Muslims, but most serious racists are antireligious anyway. So I doubt what's being implied, that perceived racial differences were thought of based on religious bigotry.

I saw the last thread on this topic and didn't comment since most racial threads here are foolish.

>>3038986
Less than Iranians and people in the Caucasus though.

>>3038986
I wanted to add a ?

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>>3038975
You need to remember that prior to Islam there's a clear cultural continuity between southern and northern mediterranean, so its relative whether they be considered 'white' or not, but they were certainly belong to western civilisation
In fact, if identity of western civilisation wasn't determined by racial European-ness, I doubt categorisation of white/black/etc ever become a thign

>>3038993
You fell for the Aryans meme. Most Turks descend from recently Greek and Hellenistic people while most Iranians do not.

>>3039009
Both Turks and Iranians are mostly Caucasian descended.

>>3038905
Yes.

In fact, I consider them to be white. Especially Turks, Iranians and Afghans.

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>>3038990
>I am a non-Muslim of such geographic origins and I do not consider myself to be of a different basic race from Muslims, or the same one as Europeans, and this belief is shared by more than a few.
by literally everyone and i don't understand why

doesn't mean it's correct
negro, just look at genetics
it's not a discussion
>>3038979
one of the 5 races
it's a cluster

>>3038975
Why so rude?

>>3038944

So this means that modern day West Asians are not the people who invented agriculture, I mean the good ones.

>>3039049
I meant more than a few of 'us'.

>>3039089
No they mostly are. Both groups were the earliest farmers in human history.

>>3038905
No.

Finns, Hungarians, Basque and Estonians are the only non-Indo-Europeans who can pass for white.

Bosniaks are Muslims too, yet they're white. Albanians are a mistake of nature, though, like platypus.

>>3039182
So Armenians,Iranians and Kurds are white since they are Indo-European?

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>>3038999
>cherrypicked tanned dark-haired people
>meanwhile, they painted and described heroes and gods as blonde and light-eyed
Makes you think.

>>3039200
Its fayum mummy portrait from Egypt, and thats beside the point, prior to Islam the whole Mediterranean belong to the same civilisation

>>3039200
Because those traits are attractive to humans. The Gods are attractive, and so they would bear attractive features, like fair skin and hair.
It's like Gregory said, "Non Angli sed Angeli"

>>3039009
There is no "Aryan" meme regarding Iranians, mate.

>>3038909
For many people it still is

>>3039200
WIR WAREN KAISER UND SCHEISSE

>>3038905
I guess, yes. Ultimately the western idea of white peoples was defined in the 18th century or so and by that time those lands were firmly under muslim control

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>>3039200
Blonde hair was a minority but prized feature in the Greco-Roman world. Hair dyeing to blonde was very common. Despite that, the rates of blondism back then were no higher than today's Greeks. The majority of Greeks would have had dark hair and olive complexion with around 7% blondism rate.

>>3039410
Pic related modern blonde Greek

>>3039229
>"Non Angli sed Angeli"

I dont get it

>>3039482
Bump

>>3038957
Yes. Italian even got lynched.

>>3039009
No we don't lmao
what a wh*Te subhuman

wh*Te subhumans stop trying to bleach non-wh*Tes
meds fell for your shit
we wont, we will kill you on your streets if you ever dare to call us wh*Te you subhuman sons of whores

>>3039848
Rude

>>3038957
Napoleon literally called Spainards Negroes for being slightly tan.
Italians in the Southern United States were considered colored according to Jim Crowe laws.
Germans and Anglos referred to Southern Europeans as swarthy, mixed races for centuries.

They'd be considered part of western civilization just like how Mediterranean Europeans are. And probably therefore white. It's honestly just because all Muslims get lumped in with arabs that westerners forget that tall blonde circassians and Syrians are white too.

>>3040025
>
can you wh*Te subhumans please shut the fuck up
you just make me want to genocide you again.

>>3038905
The US government defines whites as anyone whose ancestors originated from Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East. Also pretty much every racial classification system classifies them as whites.

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>>3040069
>The burger government
irrelevant

>>3040069
I.e. it defines everyone as whites because true stats will make USA look like third world country.

>>3039009
Iranians are Indo-Europeans like Greeks. Iranians are a Caucasoid people like Greeks and are very distinctively Caucasians, like Greeks and most other IE peoples. You can find "white" looking Iranians whose complexions will only differ primarily due to the environment they live in.

>>3040025
So you have to blonde to be european and western?

>>3040081

>Says the irrelevant jelly faggot

>>3040247
>They have more niggers so they must be third-world!!
Yeah no, their GDP, global outreach and immense influence over almost every major power in the world begs to differ.

>>3040559
Jelly of what?

>>3038924
>>3038967
Do you have a source? There's a lot of scientific consensus that early neolithic farmers spread into Europe via Anatolia.

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>>3038940
I've been told I pass as Italian. Parents are Syrian

>>3040738
Rapebaby?

simply put, you can't be some kind of damnable muslim and be western, it's some manner of tribal whohockery best left in the dustbin of history, like the plague

>>3039049
>using genetic data from 1994
>2001 Genome Mapped
>2008 Next Generation Sequencing common
>1994, the year they got it right

>>3040740
Grandmother was Albanian

But yes Aleppo was sacked by the Mongols

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>>3040559
Jelly of what? Your government? wh*Teness?
Piss off
>>3040738
>23andme
hmm who could take that site seriou-
>>3040745
>albanian
well it explains, those rapebabies are always retarded

>>3040746
>23andMe
>daJoos!!!
Implying a genotyping array (~500,000 SNPs) of common variants, many ancestry informative, would be useless. I've done lots of things with my raw data such as imputation and disease risk analysis (comparing my genotypes to those associated to disease in genome wide association studies).
>seriou-

>>3040754
Silence balkanrapebaby, i'm your superior.
You should get your rawdna and put it on REAL genetic websites like Gedmatch and harappadmixture

Now go cry in a corner and think how you're a worthless balkanrapebaby

23andMe or FTDNA?

>>3040763
FTDna is better than 23andme but Gedmatch is better than both
seriously if you take 23andme seriously you're as retarded the balkanrapebaby itt.

>>3038993
I know /int/ and /pol/ love memeing about Turks but come on.
https://youtu.be/whkvSbVrYSY

>>3040769
>Tırkolay wh*Tedır hacummmmmmmm
axxx be housenigger
axxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

>>3040769
They have fucking awful voices

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ARE WE wh*Te HIS
PLS CALL US wh*Te
Because houseniggers among us want to be wh*Te so much.

>>3040790
>YANIYOOOOOOOM
I'm just saying that there are Turks who look like this and I happen to be one of them so fuck off.

>>3040801
kys balkanrapebaby
we are not wh*Te, period.

>>3040805
Western Turkey is more Turkic than you Armeno-Kurd mongrels in denial.

>>3040767
Gedmatch is ok
Running ADMIXTURE on reference panels is better (which is basically what Gedmatch is but better since you can define KY

>>3040823
I'm from Giresun and i have slanted eyes and i'm a literal chepni

however, I consider those "armeno-kurd" mongrels to be more turkish than your balkanrapebaby kind. why don't you go be cracker somewhere else?

>>3040007
Hes literally not. My grandmother is second generation and although they weren't considered as lowly as the blacks, they were only one step above them on the rung. My grandma got put in the dumb math class as a kid despite the fact that she was good at it (she worked for the IRS later as an adult).

>>3040835

Meant to reply to
>>3040202

>>3040844
Asian people also legally immigrate there. So did levantines.

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>>3040823
>>3040831

Only a low life, Stupid American would care about skin colour, because I know american are obssessed with "white power"

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>>3040850
fixed the asiatic dude.

>>3040831
Too bad I don't give a shit about your worthless opinion, Armeno-Chink mongrel.

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>>3040874
>Chink
Go be a wh*Te subhuman somewhere else, like in balkans where your female ancestors came from

>>3040879
Fair skin != white
Don't compare me with Anglo scum again you filthy Armeno-Kurd roleplaying as an Ottoman.

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>>3040894
I also have fair skin but i don't call myself wh*Te because i certainly am not and i don't want to associate myself with the cancer known as wh*Te race

>>3040736
You disgusting idiot thats Not The problem with The map

>>3040899
Why do you write the T in upper case?

>>3040956
Whats the problem?

>>3038905
>Eupedia
Into the trash it goes

>>3039482
Not Angles but Angels

>>3041216
What are angles?

>>3041218
The guy that gave their name to the Anglos

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles

>>3038915
>a certain ethnoreligious group

Druze?

>>3039332
Who, besides retarded leftists who already cry racism at the drop of a hat, consider Muslim a race?

>>3041230
Americans

>>3041233
Are Americans a race?

>>3041245
Did I say that? And you can tick "American" on the racial cocencus btw

Yes and no.
It's telling a lot of the kings and nation origin legends in Europe involve "we wuz trojans and shit".
But once Anatolia became muslim and turkic speaking, no one wanted to associate with the anymore.

"White" is a retarded Americanism.

Even in America "white people" aren't a homogeneous group, if it was, WASPs wouldn't be so nervous about the increasing Hispanic population in their country; Hispanics are after all European people.

>>3041285
"Hispanics" are mostly BLEACHED indians.

>>3041300
Just like millions of white Americans have African heritage.

>>3041285
>"White" is a retarded Americanism.

No it isnt

>>3041313
Yes it is.

>>3041313
it completely is, in europe we call ppl what they are
gypsies are gypsies not brown, italians are italian not brown ppl, eventhough they are browner than us, and so on

we only call negros negros because we dont know their nationalities, but ofcourse dumb fucking shartistanis have none of that, identity or nationality, so they start classifying ppl by skincolor

>>3041202
See he never clearly answers
but results to ad hominem quickly. He must be a genius and not cancer from /pol/

>>3041950
Another anon has already replied to his fucking post, you retarded fuck, Iranian farmers and Anatolian farmers were different groups quite distant genetically, just look at any modern plot

>>3041991
>quite distant genetically
look they are somewhat distant but nothing like comparing to africans or east asians

I'll also provide a source because that's what civilized people do on /his/ http://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2017/05/30/135616.full.pdf (page 27)

In either case, Europeans and people of the Mediterranean near east share ancestry with neolithic farmers. I still don't get what point you're trying to make.

>>3041313
yes it is, and any non anglo country that adopts the term can officially declare itself cucked

>>3041302
Source or you are making shit up.

>>3042019

>Europeans and people of the Mediterranean near east share ancestry with neolithic farmers.

Yes but not much and it's ancient at this point since they have evolved in different directions, even if we ignore all the other genetic components which are not shared and we shouldn't.

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>>3042318
>we are not middle eastern farmers, it's ancient genealogy
>WE ARE THE PURE ARYAN RACE
pick one

*I'm not personally attacking you but pointing out the flawed logic of WE WUZZIN

>>3041313

yes it is, and it's ruining everything.

>>3042328

Luckily for Northern Europeans it's strictly maternal heritage though. Sand people came, offered their daughters and went extinct.

>>3042155
This.
When I heard a girl here talk about white people and privilege in Germany I knew we were cucked.
Fuck Burgerstan.

>>3042357
>Neolithic Anatolians
>sand people

>>3042328
The farmers in Anatolia and the Levant mixed with the farmers from Iranheavily, who had nothing to do with Anatolian farmers and therefore European farmers genetically, creating a new race, AKA modern Middle Easterners.

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>>3042429
>The farmers in Anatolia and the Levant mixed with the farmers from Iranheavily, who had nothing to do with Anatolian farmers and therefore European farmers genetically, creating a new race, AKA modern Middle Easterners.

Kinda....

This is from the Nature Communications paper that did the recent Mummy finding that they were genetically Middle Easterners

Modern Europeans have ancestry with Ancient Iranians (cyan) and Ancient Anatolians (blue). But they have Hunter Gatherer which differentiates them from Middle Easterners (puke green EHG [Eastern Hunter Gatherer])

The Brown component are the Natufians which were an ancient Levantine group of people. The only Europeans with that are likely due to a recent (early Bronze age) migration from the Middle East to south Europe, which correlates to when the E-V13 Y chromosome haplotype appeared in Europe (compared to the ancestral E-M81 in West North Africa and Mediterranean Middle East)

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>>3042487
Picture fucked up.

>>3042487
>E-M81
Opps meant to say E-M78

>>3042487
>West North Africa
and East North Africa not West

>>3042500
How did Iranian farmer outbred anatolian farmer in turkey?

>>3042487

Blue is essentially a mixture of brown and WHG which is the same color as EHG here for no good reason or at least it would largely indistinguishable from such a mix on a PCA.

>>3042529

Anatolian women welcomed refugees

>>3042588
>>3042529
Take a look at the modern Middle Eastern ancestries. There was a lot of rapeugees

>>3042620
No there isn't.

>>3042529
Indo-Europeans are savage good fuckers.

>>3042532
>or at least it would largely indistinguishable from such a mix on a PCA.
This is the likely scenario. I don't know what brown you're talking about though

>>3042630

Basal Eurasian heavy populations like Natufians and their close relatives.

They encountered and mixed with a WHG related population in Anatolia before agriculture was in any extent a thing.

>>3042629
>No there isn't.
Ok Ataturk
>>3042647
Yeah to find any difference between the two you would need more samples than what's currently available

>>3042673
>Ataturk
M8 I hate Turks, try harder with the well poisoning.

The thing is that most are mixed with niggers.They are mulattoes or quadroons on average

>>3042858
That applies only to north africans and peninsula arabs

>>3038942
Pretty much

>>3040007
no

>>3041245
Yeah it is

>>3039200
In Israel atm, being fair skinned is literaly something to be ashamed off. The anti european sentiment is real. Thanks white guilt anti colonialist european leftists.

>>3043144
Fuck no you delusional git

>>3042333
>>3042379
Because euros used the terms and terms just like it which established a hierarchy.

>>3043144

Because 99% of fair skin people there are Russian bydlos who managed to get in because their mothers married a Jew after their father died of a liver failure at 21

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>>3042905
>That applies only to north africans and peninsula arabs
not even to them really
see bedouin - the most extreme arab
see mozambite - the most africanized north african, then come moroccans
algerians and tunisians are even whiter
basically those peoples are racially speaking of the same race as europeans

for comparison afro-americans have ~20% white ancestry

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>>3038905
Depends on which Arabs you're talking about. Some of them look white, some don't.

>>3040069
That's being changed in the next census IIRC, I'm pretty sure the only reason they were ever counted as white in the first place is because the US didn't have many Middle Easterners in the past, and many of the ones it did have were from places where they're generally lighter skinned.

>>3043210
>That's being changed in the next census IIRC
yes
sjw's want muh minorities, right doesn't like them and they themselves want their 'own identity' (read they want affirmative action and special status, lol)
>>3043201
looks white to me
if by white you mean caucasian, which you probably should

>>3043189
But the majority of the middle east still has almost none black admixture

>>3043162
No, russians in Israel are sub whites.
They are not even identified as ashkenazi jews and ashkenazi jews themselves are considered scum culturally. Israel has managed to transform its culture into another levantine variant infused with judaims instead of islam.
All european traces are being maligned by accusations of past racism and superiority.
Al you hear and see in the media is how cool mizrahi israelis are. You are suppose to be tanned/dark skinned and listening to mizrahi music and having a "warm' personality. In short the exact opposite of european jews.
Its like how Western media glorifies black culture.

>>3038984
>t. Reza Achmed

>>3043210
Thats because every racial classification classifies Arabs and North Africans as white. They certainly aren't negroid or mongoloid. This is the whole reason racial classifications are retarded, you have to draw an arbitrary line between races somewhere.

>>3043247
And dont get me wrong, the whole ethos of the zionist movement in israel was about changing jews into muscly tanned warriors as oppose to four eyed weaklings.
Its just that somewhere a long the way instead of having nazi-like stern and pragmatic warrior workers it became about being your typical dark skinned emotional, loud and uncultured arab.

>>3043249
I'm Scottish-German, faggot.

>>3042487
This destroys The Sardinians are pure farmers myth

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this is on north africa
levant has slightly lower % black DNA, where christians in the levant have an even lower % due to not being allowed to have slaves

afaik the highest % is in yemen - 15%
it gets lower the more to the north you go and disappears in turks
persians probably have some due to slave trade

>>3041300
Nah

>>3041224
Ashkenazi Jews, Turks, Greeks, Southern-Europeans, Coptics, Georgians/people-from-caucus-region, Armenians, Lebanese, etc.

>>3043758
Black slaves were castrated

>>3043247
but mizrahis are the good guys. ashkenazis represent virtually every negative stereotype of jewish people ever coined.

>>3040899
t.britshit

>>3041127
I've been seeing that a lot too it's probably because the people posting that are some sort of weird combination of spic Down syndrome and rattling autism shimmering in all levels of the mind

>>3038916
Caucasoid is a meme, biracial (30-50%) Ethiopians and Somalis are placed in it as well.

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>>3039200
I guess this Levantine kid means that all Middle Eastereners are pale too?

>>3044634
Thats an afghan IIRC

>>3044644
why isn't he wearing eye shadow then?

>>3044425
>he thinks the black ancestry came from the men and not the sex slave women

Dumbass

>>3044658
Google image search actially confirms this kid as Iranian.

>>3041212
Its a legit source

>>3038905
Bump

>>3042500
This graph is incredible, it explains everything

>>3042500
CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THAT NATUFIAN ADMIXTURE IN SOUTH EUROPEANS?

PHOENICIANS?

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>>3038905
>muslims can't be white

>>3042487
Source of the image?

>>3038905
I quite doubt white as a category would exist if western civilization extended all the way to the Persian Gulf.
But yeah, I can easily see a christian Anatolia, North Africa, and maybe the Levant being considered part of the european cultural continuum.

>>3045626
Put your trip back on

>>3038905
If they weren't Arab rape babies as well, which would probably be true, then yes.

>>3046524
But arabs are middle eastern too

>>3041260
So your answer is actually yes?

>>3040790
Looks mexican

>>3042357
>Luckily for Northern Europeans it's strictly maternal heritage
LOl no


Your're Old Europeans which mean you're matriarchal low test cucks that got raped by every races that came into your continent

>>3041230
They cry racism but they mean bigotry, I'm surprised people still don't realise this.

>>3048936
No one is old european completly Not even Sards

>>3048936

There's few to none Anatolian/Balkan Neolithic Y-chromosome haplogroups anywhere in Northern Europe.

>>3038910
Why is this?

>>3050557
The basic strategy is to obfuscate the true number of Whites in America to maintain the illusion that they're still a majority well after they're sub 50% of the population. It's not just Arabs, obviously. Check the FBI's most wanted list for a good laugh at what the US government tries to pass off as "White".

>>3050665

Cubans are White and European.

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>>3050665
>https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten
What the fuck is wrong with Americans?

>>3050665
Yeah I've heard in Sweden it's already 9% non natives 5% of them are non euros

>>3051125

It's triple that.
>7 million ethnic Swedes
>3 million immigrants

And keep in mind the Swedes are on average very old and the immigrants very young.

>>3040738
Name of site/app?

>>3051127
Where the fuck do you get those numbers from? I can buy that there are about 1 million non-european immigrants in Sweden, mainly concentrated around the major cities, but 3 million is taken out of your ass.

>>3051172

3 million European+non-European immigrants but the immigrant category is still disproportionately young specifically because of the non-European immigrants.
I don't have the link for it in my browser history anymore I'll try to find it.

>>3038916
Caucasoid is an outdated term. How about sons of Japeth and Sem?

>>3052045
Were did caucasoids originate?

>>3052034
>muh jews

>>3040738
>>3040745

My parents are also from Aleppo, and I have Italian ancestry from my Dad's side. One of my great grandparents was apparently fully Italian .

>>3040773
Yakma götünü, erdoğancı rolü yapıp nasu göt yakuyom derken iyi :DDD size inat evzencisi rolpilayi yapıyorum, biraz da sizin götünüz yana

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>>3053487
>erdogan

>>3038905
"white" is a meme concept that has absolutely 0 scientific basic
Just like black or brown or asian

>>3052516

From an Australoid-like ancestor in Central Asia or Caucasus

>>3055071
>australoid

Wut?

>>3055647

Australian Aboriginals, Caucasoids and Mongoloids have a common ancestor.
Caucasoids and Mongoloids adapted to their environments and stopped looking Australoid.

>>3055065
no it's a generalization based on skin tone. of course there's grey areas that don't fit because it's simply a generalization. people on here just take it too seriously

>>3040879
>your female ancestors came from
Ummm, Ottoman empire actually sought more males than females...
And they were all allowed to marry and breed.
1/3 of Turkey's haplogroups are european.
If you add in the native greek colonists, celtic colonists and georgians, more than 1/2 of Turkey's paternal lineage derives from Europe.

>>3056870
>haplogroups
literally KYS underage

>>3056886
>paternal lineage is an offensive statistic !
?
Based on scientific data, turks are the equivalent of mullatos, half european , half clusterfuck of everything else

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>>3056913
based on my ass*
according to haplogroups you're same as a nigger or a turkmen if you're french

>>3056919
The Ottoman Empire has hundreds of years of history of taking males from vassal/annexed states and making them jannisaries, soldiers.
Many of them became famous generals, state men, they were allowed to marry and breed.
They were all turks by law, even if they were of european and caucasian ethnicities.
Most turkish men died in the wars and were replaced by europeans.

>>3056928
>Janissaries
okay balkanrapebaby now you've revealed your mental retardation. i thought you were an american due to your low iq but it turns out that you're a balkanrapebaby, almost as retarded as americans.

Stay away from genetic threads. Or else i'll beat your father and rape your mother, just like in good old days.

>>3056933
You clearly are of gypsy-armenian heritage since you talk and act like one.

I am not balkan, I'm finnish.

>>3056949
you sure are, rapebaby rapebabyvic.

now get lost.

>>3056952
Does the truth that the Ottoman Empire replaced its losses with european and caucasian people offend your purist turkocentric ideology ?
Will it offend you if you knew eastern turkey has around 30% armenian heritage?

>>3056965
as long as i'm not related to wh*te subhumans i'm fine. so try to trigger me with something else lad. dunno call my mother white, i'd personally consider this as an insult.

>>3056975
Uhm...
Erdogan is georgian?
Ataturk had blue eyes and brown hair?

Turkish people are more related to europeans than to turkics

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>>3056993
Ok kid keep living in your own delusion
>whitewashing Turks to forget that he's a swarthy balkanrapebaby
top kek

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>>3057005
Pic related is Ataturk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recep_Tayyip_Erdo%C4%9Fan#Personal_life_and_education

What is your nationality and ethno-cultural background?
You are frustrated and full of irrational hatred, just because you don't like history, doesn't mean its not true.

>>3057033
On Ataturk
>"Others have speculated that his light skin complexion, blond hair and blue eyes could stem from Slavic ancestry"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk#Early_life

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>>3057033
I am literally an asian kid. One person=/=entire population. I only see regular shitskins and quarter mongoloids here. wh*Te dogs are rare.

Now why don't you go be an inferior balkanrapebaby somewhere else?

>>3057043
>I am literally an asian kid
No, you're just retarded and some inbred racist thinking turks are asians, probably.

If you hate white people so much, why are you speaking a white language, using a computer, internet, electricity, wearing western clothes, etc ?
Those are white people things, get rid of them immediately.
Science is not turkic, statehood is not turkic (you're nomads), money is not turkic, just get rid of all this pesky european stuff.

>>3057063
>No, you're just retarded and some inbred racist thinking turks are asians, probably.
I AM asian. I did say Turks are mostly either shitskin or quarter mongoloid.
>If you hate white people so much, why are you speaking a white language, using a computer, internet, electricity, wearing western clothes, etc ?

don't worry your race is dying out so i don't have to speak a shitty wh*Te language that originated in wh*Telands. I hope blacks and muslims run over everyone and the chinese surpass EU+USA. it's taking long but at least my sons and grandsons won't have to deal with wh*Tes.

>>3056933
t.cauco-asiatic rapebaby

>>3057063
Most of what you stated is ultimately middle eastern though.

>>3057790
t.ahmed ehafii shitfache suhahmud

>>3057793

>t.Cletus

Money first appeared in the levant,the first states and civilizations known to manking originated in mesopotamia and what the fuck do you mean with science? Even fucking caveman made scientific discoveries.

>>3057840
t.Mugabe Shitsha Sequion (Al) Mudshithash

They weren't indigenous btw

>>3057864
WE

>>3057840
>Money first appeared in the levant

Money first appeared in Lydia (600 bc) and shortly after the Punic colonies (North Africa, Sicily, Sardinia and Iberia) and Greece and its colonies

>>3057880
So still in the middle east

>>3057955
t.Shinboha Suffha Puncshid Dirtsha Hadeni

>>3058280
Is this supposed to be Indian lmao?

>>3058299
I'm guessing his genes would be
40% indian
30% saudi
15% Mongolian
10% shit
5% mud

>>3057072
you are bad at bait

>>3038929
Eh The French did
The Anglo and germ did until the late 19th century mostly due to theology differences
I.e. ("Papists scum")

Well, Islam is a religion not a race, and if you're going to assume someone identity and race just because his race that means you're an idiot.
Christianity and Islam were both Middle Eastern religions, that doesn't mean Europeans are not anymore because they follow Christianity it just means they are idiots.
Unlike Europeans Arabs actually follow their own religion that they made themselves, an ideology to conquer and plunder and mentally enslave people.
Like what Arabs did to Pakis, Iranians, Berbers, Nubians, Egyptians, Turks, Syrians... list goes on and on.
Central Asians were literally proud if their daughter have been fucked by an Arab during golden age of Islam.

>>3038999
I'd fugg the first one on the third row, god damn

>>3058786
So yes or no?

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>>3038905
yes

>>3060165
I didnt know that Iranians and Greeks are that close

>>3060201
they are, look through the thread for more pics

iranians - persians, afghans, kurds are actually basically europeans in general and those groups cluster even closer to euros than for example levant peoples

>>3060285
They cluster closer to caucasians like armenians and georgians actually

>>3060337

More like Iraqis

>>3038905
Depends, are Greeks considered white? That's your answer.

>>3060395

Greeks have properly European admixture in them

They are actually halfway between Germans and Syrians

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>>3060348

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greeks are closer to italians overall, specially central italians and south italians, that's normal,since europeans tend to cluster together.

>>3060409
What makes Sardinians so unique here?

>>3061550
low CHG admixture

>>3042500

>>3060402
>Greeks have properly European admixture in them
>properly European
lmao
look at OP's map
>>3060730
>>3060409
nice pics
they displays the white race very clearly
europeans flow into mena through armenia, cyprus and georgia
mena flows into euro through sephardic and shk. jews
also
>sardinians
lelmao

>>3062223
Why were Anatolian farmers so low test?

>>3062518
Armenia and Georgia are no way near any European population in these maps

>>3062519
Sardinians raided and raped Etruscans so I wouldn't say that

>>3062522
what?
armenians are closer to s.italians than s.italians are to russians

>armenians are not european
(you)

>>3062558
Did you even look at the maps? Armenians cluster with Iranians,Turks and Georgians.

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>>3038905
>white
typical american bullshit, there is no white or black
You can easily see the differences in northern europeans, southern europeans, easterns and defintely thebetween morrocans, turks and saudies, nigerians and ethiopians and so on
Stop thinking in black and white you look so fucking stupid

>>3062587
autism

>>3062609

he's right

>>3062577
yeah
and they are, say it with me, white
just like the peoples they cluster with

>>3062694

Middle Eastern people are brown

Sicilians are half browns

>>3062696
Brown is not a race by any definition of the term, retard.

>>3038905
syrians and turks would be, and plenty of orth africans too.


the reason white came to colloquially mean european is definitely due to christendom and europe being an inter-related block with shared religion and travel and academic communication

>>3038909
he didn't imply that you retard

>>3062705

Fuck off selfhating Arab.
Middle Easterners like Iranians have nothing to do with Europeans.

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>>3044624
only if you use the outdated 19th century meaning of the word.

if you use the genetically accurate, updated meaning of the word , i.e.e the cluster involving the indian subcontinent, caucases, middle east, north africa and europe , then it's perfectly sensible and legitimate because the cluster is plain to see and would be detected by almost any unsupervised clustering algorithm like Expectation maximisation

>>3062724

>genetically accurate, updated meaning

That image was made by an Argentinian Neo-Nazi based on low resolution data from 1994

>>3062724
this and these
>>3060165
>>3043189
>>3042500
>>3040738
>>3039049
>>3038905

it's obvious
even 19th century people basing race on skulls and facial features got it right
the answer to OP's is a resounding
>yes

>>3062764

Middle Easterners lack the genetic components which define Europeans.

It's not at all about sharing meaningless drift from 40k years ago.

Europeans are as different from Middle Easterners as Middle Easterners are from Africans.

>>3062775
And what would those components be...

>>3062781

Aurignacian, WHG, EHG

>>3062792
Extinct, non European, European

>>3062796

>Extinct

Not fully. Even a little bit makes a difference.

>non European

It's European enough since it's somehow linked with Kostenki man who lived 38000 years ago

>European

Arguably the least European of the three in terms of time depth in Europe but it's still a sibling clade to WHG. Its success gives it bonus points.

>>3040769
>posting Balkan rapebabies

>>3062814
>Not fully

Huh?

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>>3062720
They are all Caucasians. On top of that Perians and Arabs do have some european dna, Maghrebis are like 40% european.
Here for your instruction, brainlet
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_North_Africa

>>3062836

Iberian 'WHG' hag an Aurignacian component and carried it to NW Europe after the Younger Dryas.

See section 10

https://www.nature.com/article-assets/npg/nature/journal/v534/n7606/extref/nature17993-s1.pdf

>>3062867

>Caucasian meme

Might as well say we are all Humans and shit and there are no races.

>>3062893
>>Caucasian meme
see >>3062764
>Might as well say we are all Humans and shit and there are no races.
yes, might as well, but, 5 races display the jumps in diversity of humans best

5 races is the best match
roughly speaking when running a k-means algorithm you have to provide a k, but there are heuristics to find a best k (elbow method for example)

k=5 is the best number and it actually reflects continental variation too

stay mad

>>3063342

So what is the utility of K=5?
It's not helpful for police tracking down criminals based on their DNA since you need to differentiate the white from the brown to know what you're looking for.
I can't think of any utility whatsoever.

>>3063387
>So what is the utility of K=5?
the utility is that the unbiased computer is telling you how best to define races
you do what you want
>It's not helpful for police tracking down criminals based on their DNA since you need to differentiate the white from the brown to know what you're looking for.
DNA tests can in fact distinguish between people of the same race - what's your point exactly

>>3062893
>caucasian is a meme
>brown is not
I want ameritards to fuck off.

>>3063404

But K=1 is even better like Lewontin showed

>muh fallacy

Doesn't change the fact that you're much more similar to your mulatto son by an insane degree than you are to your "same race" cousin.

We are all one race, one humanity.


But if we are looking for a rapist and we have his DNA sample, we need to racially profile him into European, Middle Eastern, African or East Asian.

>>3063419
>But K=1 is even better like Lewontin showed
lol no
all lewontin said is that the variation between races is smaller than within races, which is 100% correct
k=1 would be the equivalent of not defining races
but if we wanted to define races => k=5
>But if we are looking for a rapist and we have his DNA sample, we need to racially profile him into European, Middle Eastern, African or East Asian.

>breaks caucasian into 2 arbitrary parts
>doesn't break apart the other races
nice trick, race denier

based on a dna sample you can determine where the person comes from, what eyes, hair, skin color they have etc.
just because italians and russians don't cluster exactly together doesn't mean they aren't the same race
the same logic applies to people you don't like too

>>3063466

You know what, you're right.
K=5 not only fails for West Eurasians but also Africans since Pygmies aren't Bantus and neither are Khoisan.
Asian-Oceanian genetic structure is very complex too.


We need a high K, maybe 20.

>>3043758
>persians probably have some due to slave trade
You are thinking of the Arabs. After the Muslims took the whole of North Africa and started to send expeditions and explorers into Sub-Saharan Africa, black women were prized as exotic for pleasure houses. Which is why especially in Yemen, Oman, and Arabia and the rest of the Arab Gulf states there is significant and strong Negroid admixture.

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>>3043758
Stats are wrong, european admixture in north africa goes from 30% to 50%.
Does it only take count of the y haplogroup for some reason? Half of the dna comes from the women.

>>3044425
Some, not all of them.

>>3064051
Source?

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>>3039200
>three dozen realistic portraits
>cherrypicked

>a couple of mythologic statues
>representative of the real greco-roman phenotype

For fuck's sake.

>>3044664
Google image search says Kurdish

>>3064997
Well Iranian Kurd but you are right

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>>3064997
>>3065029
stop bumping this shit thread you subhuman k*rds

>>3038905
They are white, mostly because racial classifications are shit and they sure as hell aren't blacks or mongoloids.

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>>3065055

>>3065040
>>3065062
Are Kurds as butthurt about Turks as Turks are about Kurds?

>>3062738
Wew. Source?

>>3064051
persians held black slaves too
>>3064997
kurds are iranians

>>3039200

>he thinks 'blonde' in Southern Europe means platinum blonde.

To this day the Seuro spectrum of 'blonde' is staggeringly wide. I've seen light-brown haired Spaniards called 'blonde'.

>>3038968
There are Italians darker than Syrians.

>>3067662
And there are Italians lighter than some German or English, your point?

>>3067677
They could be considered to be white people.

>>3066627
>persians held black slaves too

Source?

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>this shit thread is still up
aight so i have to make it reach to bump limit

delete this shit thread

>>3068393
>>3068398
>>3068406
>((((( )))))

>>3038929
Italian,Greek and Iberian are considered white by all people outside /pol/

>>3038968
>indians are just the darkest shade of white aryan

>>3069364
N8

>>3039848
Hey you're that afro turk

>>3057870
WUZ

>>3050677
Middle Eastern and North African people are called white in America.

>>3069571
SUMERIANZ N SHIEET

>>3064430
Isnt this guy hispanic?

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>>3039200
Daily reminder.

>>3071567

This Mediterranean inferiority complex is annoying