If Egyptians are levantines, then why do Ancient Greek historians

>>3027257
Good question anon.

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Herodotus thought the world looked like pic related. As you can see, Ethiopia isn't even on it.
You may as well ask where Thule or Hyperborea is.

>>3027335
Ethiopia is on it.

>>3027338
>>3027335
Nevermind, I'm a retard.
But my point still stands, Herodotus said a lot of things we now know to be false.

>>3027257
If Europeans are white how come they came from Africa?

>>3027345
Like?

Diodorus also said it.

>>3027347
How is that at all comparable?

>>3027355
Well a guy said it, didn't he?

>>3027359
But there is actually corroborative evidence to go with the claims of said Greek historians. It's not a stretch.

>>3027353
>Like?
http://listverse.com/2015/04/08/10-historical-facts-that-herodotus-got-hilariously-wrong/

>>3027363
Do we have any concrete idea of what Ethiopia is according to them? It's worth mentioning Herodotus and Diadorus corroborate Greece being the center of the world.
Ethiopia doesn't appear to have solidly defined geography, and appears to be a catch-all term for "territory not Libya or Egypt in Africa"
That's kind of a lot

>>3027376
>click bait.

when did Herodotus say that, I don't remember that at all

>>3027383
Look it up

>>3027382
>attacking the source
Herodotus was literally a hick compared to anybody in the modern area, why exactly should we take a yokel's account of history seriously?

>>3027385
Because he was there.

>>3027384
ok, what book and chapter?

>>3027389
>Herodotus was there
Where? Greece? Ethiopia? India?

>>3027393
Do your own research. It is there.

>>3027395
No, it's not there.

>>3027394
The time period, and likely visited the Nile region himself.

>>3027397
>likely
So he wasn't there, he was POSSIBLY there.
You are also possibly retarded.

>>3027381
I'm pretty sure given what we know about the word origin meaning "burnt face", the concept is similar to what we now call sub-saharan Africa. Ethiopia is the land of black people.

The pyramids existed already for a longer time than seperates us from the Romans when Herodotus made his claims.

>>3027402
>pretty sure
And modern scientists are pretty sure the genetics of the area haven't changed over time, so where's Herodotus' study?

>>3027395
you made the claim so you must back it up

>>3027406
>And modern scientists are pretty sure the genetics of the area haven't changed over time
You mean haven't changed over time from the mix of african ancestry and returning west asian ancestry they've been since early egypt? Doesn't that itself back up Herodetus, at least to a degree?

>>3027411
No, because it's commonly accepted that there were blacks in Egypt, it's not accepted that all or even the majority of Egyptians were full-blown sub-saharans.
Learn nuance.

>>3027406
The only studied Greek era mummies for some reason, and made that the "basis" of Egyptian DNA. Those were not Egyptians those were invaders. It is well documented that Egyptians came from the south following the flow of the Nile, it is even debatable whether or not they constituted a truly separate and distinct people from Nubians given they both originated in the same place nabta playa.

The fact that Greeks are framed as natives and Nubians as invaders tells you everything you need to know about the agenda that permeates the issue of ancient Egyptians.

>>3027414
You learn nuance. If they have some sub-saharan ancestry, then Herodotus's Ethiopian origin claim isn't too far fetched, it just lacks part of the story.

>>3027414
You don't have to be full blown sub-Saharan to be considered "black".

>>3027420
>make sweeping general claim about Egypt
>but if SOME of them are black then his claim about the origins of ALL Egyptians must be right!
Eh?

>>3027422
Listen mate I get that you're a burger but your one drop rule doesn't apply here.

>>3027426
>but if SOME of them are black then his claim about the origins of ALL Egyptians must be right!
Holy shit, you are severly dense. "Some of the egyptians" were not black. They pretty much all had a percentage of african ancestry from an originally mixed ancestor group. They may not have been as dark as the Nubians, but to modern eyes, they would be recognizable as lighter shade "black people".

>>3027433
I love how you speak with firsthand experience, care to share? Enlighten us?

>>3027417
what? You fucking retard did you even bother to look at something as simple as the Wikipedia page on it? The majority of DNA is unique to that corner of Africa.

>>3027257
Bump

>>3027422
Are Arabs and Indians considered black in Africa? I know they include some Melanesians as 'black brothers'

Where do they say that?

>>3028509
Mixes are common and the one drop rule dictates that they are considered black.

>>3027417
HOL UP, SO YOU BE SAYING WE WUZ KANGZ N SHEEIT?

>>3028522
The one drop rule was only used in parts of the American south. No one else in the world cares about it.

>>3027417
Weren't some Egyptian Pharaohs actually R1b redheads?

>>3028522
Im not asking your opinion, are Arabs and Indians considered blacks in Africa? just answer the question

>>3028509
>Are Arabs and Indians considered black in Africa?
Of course not. Calling Indians or Arabs Black is shallow and ignorant.
>>3028522
Mixes does not mean they are Black.

>>3028532
R1b is common in Africa. Pharaohs, particularly later ones would not be a good representation of the population at large.

>>3028539
There are black Arabs, and black Indians.

>>3027257

Because we wuz ?

>>3028559
But are arabs and Indians considered black?

>>3027257
Damn that Takatsu porn manga was great.

>>3027376
>listverse

>>3028567
What does that have to do with the OPs question?

>>3027257
Because origin myths to explain the formation of different peoples is a part of human folklore.

I trust archaeogenetics over unreliable historical accounts.

I think you need to give up OP. Stop vicariously living through the history and peoples of East Africa. when it's most likely you're a black guy from Philadelphia.
And even stranger you're attributing Egyptian civilization to a people you're not ethnically related to.

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>>3027257
Egyptian spans thousands of years, with many peoples ruling over it. So this may not be an either/or situation. Herodotus may have seen "dark-skinned and woolly-haired" Egyptians. This does not necessarily have to be at odds with the DNA evidence from the selected mummies from lived from 1400 B.C. to 400 A.D.

>>3027345
Herodotus is recorded to have actually traveled throughout Egypt, his description of the appearance of these people was based on his own observations.

>>3027395
Man, I hate this answer.

>>3027383
>>3027393
>>3027395
>>3027396
>>3027407
>>3029073

Herodotus, The Histories Book 2 Chapter 104

Further reading:
http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Heroegy.html

>>3028842
>>3028842
It's not that I care about Egyptians or East Africans, but I do care about historical accuracy. It is a huge disservice to the people of east Africa to misappropriate their history. I used to think that historical "whitewashing" was a myth perpetrated by paranoid Afro-centrics, but then I started doing my own research and found that it is true. It is absolutely disgusting and represents insecurity on the deepest level.

>>3027363
More evidence disagrees.

>>3027422
The we wuz kangz memev has been definitely debunked

>>3029252
Like?

>>3027433
No they wouldn't, they looked like modern day Israelis.

>>3029234
>I used to be a Trump supporter like you, but after doing my own research I'm now #mentallyhill

>>3027417
No those were previously Greek you idiot. We wuz has been debunked time and time again.

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>>3029258
The we wuz KANGZ meme was retarded and should have never caught traction, but white that said the whitewashing of ancient Nile cultures is just as ridiculous if not more.

Wewuzers, show me a single evidence that the Egypt was ruled by niggers at any point that didn't include the 25th dynasty. It's literally just one dynasty out of 31.

>>3029234
What? Historical accuracy debunks the myth of negro entrance Egyptians. Look the facts have proven that the Egyptians were not black time and time again.

>>3029277
Egyptians and Nubians come from the same place, it is even debatable whether or not they were truly separate and distinct peoples. There is a ton of cultural evidence form circumcision to mummification which points to cultural continuity along the Nile.

>>3029274
Hah whitewashing. No

Egyptians are depicted as middle Eastern Semitic people. They would be considered white on a us census form.

>>3029288
No they didn't, Egyptians came from the north

>>3029286
New kingdom Pharos are not representative of Egyptian origins or populace at large. Was there a northern element, yes, but the ancient Egyptian culture and people clearly had their roots to the south.

That "study" was unscientific.

>>3029301
Then why do the Greeks say they came from the south.

>>3029288
>give me a single evidence
>doesn't give a single evidence
Also, I was talking solely about the ruling class. The plebeians and the slaves are little more than cattle, only the rulers matter.

>>3029295
Semites originated in Ethiopia. Most middle easterners from the southern portions of the Middle East like upper Egypt would be considered phenotypically "black" in the US. Remember "black" by us standards includes people like Mariah Carey, price, and Steph curry.

>>3029301
Ancient Egyptians themselves say they came from the south.

>>3028539
No look at the Zanzibar massacre that happened in the 60s

>>3029324
/pol/ BTFO once again.

>>3029324
No Semites originated from Levants, and no, they would still be considered Arabs

>>3029329
We don't know were from the South though, as they may have originated from the lands of Yemen. It's quite obvious that the Egyptians themselves saw themselves differently from both pure whites (Hittites) and blacks (Nubians). Since it's proven that Pharaoh's had more of a modern European genetics and had stuff like red head (Ramesses II) in particular we can most definitely conclude that they were, for the most part, Middle Eastern in ethnicity, maybe slightly darker, but still Indo-European and not Negroid.

>>3029324
So Arabs are considered black by Africans?

>>3029324
Semites originate in Canaan actually, that's where proto-Akkadians spread from. Semites didn't physically exist in Ethiopia pretty much until Arabs started pouring there with the spread of islam.

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>>3029341
Black people come in a variety of shades

>>3029360
I'm American so my ancestors were African and European, not that it matters.

>>3029341
>>3029366
Yes, they're not white, they're not black, they're brown middle easterners, what do you expect? now stop wewuzing

>>3029366
Yeah in America maybe where their ancestors got fucked by slave owners

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>>3029366
And this is a Roman mosaic of Alexander the Great... He looks a little niggerish, don't you think? Kinda the same skin tone as the Egyptians are usually portrayed, isn't he? He has been described as anything but swarthy, also. So putting so much faith in ancient paintings isn't very wise.

>>3029359
>Semites didn't physically exist in Ethiopia pretty much until Arabs started pouring there with the spread of islam.
Wrong. Define "Semite" and try again. Also google Sabaean migrants.

>>3029346
They often times depicted themselves in the same shade as Nubians. The difference was akin to the difference between northern and southern Italians.

>>3029380
Habeshans are not Semitic and never were Semitic, neither were the Egyptians, cuckold.

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>>3029381
Yeah, they definitely did.

>>3029377
He only gonna claim the greek civilisation, just like >>3026290 >>3026371

>>3029391
>royalty is in your DNA
How do you even do the mental leap from "we wuz 'gypshuns" to "we wuz kangs"? Like I have German ancestry but I don't claim to be the direct descendant of kaiser Wilhelm.

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>>3029360
It's funny how some "DNA" evidence is taken as gospel, while other DNA evidence is dismissed as invalid.

>>3029406
WE WUZ EUROPEANS

>>3029412
African-Americans don't even have any relation to Nubia or Ethiopia itself even. They were slaves from West and Central Africa. But what do you expect from dumb niggers.

>>3029371
>I'm American
So you're a primitive ape in the present time.

>>3029401
"Black" people come in a variety of shades and phenotypes.

>>3029433
See >>3029375
Unable to address that people who aren't stupid Americans just didn't have sex with niggers?

>>3029433
Are brown Arabs considered black?

>>3029419
Nobody's claiming they are. Why even bring them into it. They are not the only kind of "black" people. Why are they most envied ethnic group in the world?

>>3029442
Because the American retard (read: you) keeps applying American standards like the one drop rule to non-American people.

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>>3029437
End yourself /pol/

You've been BTFO by us numerous times.

>>3029441
The French and Portuguese were/are known for nigger loving.

>>3029442
THEY are claiming they descent from ancient Egypt, moron. Who even "envies" black people, btw? This is a first. I, personally, just want them to stop stealing history.

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>>3029441
Black Arabs are a thing. Again if Mariah Carey, prince, and Steph curry are "black" than so to are southern middle easterners phenotypically. Why the glaring hypocrisy?

>>3029455
Meant for>>3029437

>>3029457
Your example is literally mocked by average Arabs for looking like a nigger

>>3029455
Nope. The whitest American from Maine or whatever the fuck has on average more Congoid blood in his veins than the average Andalusian or Sicilian.

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Pic related is most likely what ancient Egyptians looked like.

>>3029457
They are considered white in italy and Brazil

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>>3029454
>no argument
>immediately resorts to YOU A NAZI RACISM ANTI SEMITISM BAWWW

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>>3029469
Or this

>>3029468
Kek no. The one drop rule existed for a reason.

>>3029454
>by us
>holocaust picture
So you're a jew?

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>>3029469
Not really. These are negroid features which ancient Egyptians did not have as proven. If you look at Ramesses II hair you would see that it is straight and not curly.

>>3029480
t. nigger American

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>>3029469
>>3029479
nah

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>>3029479
These people are spitting images of heiroglyphics.

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>>3029483
We are led to believe that this guy is a nigger... The mental gymanstics niggers would go to to prove that Egyptians were KANGZ n SHIET is astonishing

>>3029457
>>3029467
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3136/racism-arab-lands
>Before he became Egyptian President, Anwar Sadat, who was dark skinned, was insulted as Nasser's "Black Poodle" and "The Monkey."
Kek

>>3029484
Lol niggers would love to claim that whites had black blood in them. You're just assblasted at the US for some reason

>>3029497
>for some reason
For giving birth to people like OP.

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>>3029486
He's greek not indigenous of the Nile.

>>3029491
looks like a typical black somalian to me?

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>>3029503
ok tyrone

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>>3029494
>SO YOU BE SAYIN
>*SMACKS LIPS*
>THERE'S A CHANCE?

>>3029505
>typical Somalian has blonde hair

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>>3029491
Older mummy. The practice of mummification itself came from Africa. It is true that Egypt often had foreign rulers.

>>3029503
>The exact same poster with the exact same fucking ugly nigger everytime

>>3029515
Looks like a lightskinned "black" guy.

>>3029527
Pretty hard to tell if thats a negro, t b h. Any fron pics?
>"Foreign rulers".
What major invasion did Egypt suffer that would have changed their population from black to white as Ramesess II definitely was?

>>3029515
>Hellenistic Egypt
At this point there was a ton of Greek admixture.
The guy looks "lightskinned".

>>3029540
Ancient Egyptian DNA was closest to Armenians after being sequenced. That guy looks just like an Armenian.

All the memes indicate I have won the argument.

>>3029552
-citation needed-

>>3029547
Not their entire population, but their rulers yes. It is a common feature in African colonization.

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>>3029553
Just at these coal black kang negroes!
>literally fucking armenians

>>3029569
So white people made Egypt relevant and advanced? Before they took over, it was a nigger shithole?

>>3029577
Look at they skin niggah they blAck

>>3029346
Indo European is a linguistics classification that certainly does not contain Egyptians

>>3029571
We've been over this. It would be like finding obama's corpse and concluding that all Americans were Kenyan or testing the other presidents and concluding that native Americans were European. Rulers are not necessarily indicative of population at large. Also they never account for why modern Egyptians are genetically "blacker" the ancient ones per the "DNA". The "study" was laughably unscientific.

Speaking of DNA why do Semites apparently have African origins?>>3029406

>>3029346
>Indo Europeans
>Egyptians
Nigger what

>>3029616
>It would be like finding obama's corpse and concluding that all Americans were Kenyan
The average American is certainly closer to being "Kenyan" than the average Egyptian.

>>3029616
>admixture = origins
Is this bait?

>>3029610
>>3029619
Caucasian

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>>3029609
"Black" people.

>>3029624
Only Americans think they're black. The woman on the bottom is literally white.

>>3029627
No she isn't. Lightskinned black people are very common in America. One drop rule. I'm just trying to get to the root of glaring hypocrisy.

>>3029633
Once again: if you're 90% white and 10% black, you're white. Only Americans believe in one drop rule.

>>3029636
Never heard of this "one drop rule" until I visited /his/. What is this dumb shit?

>>3029609
Looks like average Arabs to me

>>3029636
It's odd because it is Americans pushing the Egyptians are white-ish agenda.

>>3029644
Weird, the last time I checked it was chiefly American niggers who kept claiming Egyptians as black.

>>3029647
Per the one drop rule they are. Not American, but a type of "black" people nonetheless.

>>3029644
Not on this thread, its that one American with the constant 'muh one drop rule'

>>3029657
>per one drop rule
Will you ever stop with this shit or do you need to get banned?

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>>3029624
>they all still have wide groid noses and skull structure

these>>3029577 have no negroid features at all

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>>3029677
Here's another one.

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>>3029366
>>3029375

Are stormfags really this retarded? Are the only black people in their minds coal-dark, jungle people, with nonexistent frontal lobes, and ooga booga lips? There are a variety of phenotypes in Africa. Some have light skin, some have dark skin, some have large foreheads, some have flat noses, and some have "Jew" noses. some have epithelial folds, some have thin lips, some have thick lips, some have high cheekbones, etc.,

>>3029491
>>3029527

Red/Blond hair can occur in "black" people, and African people were also known for dying their hair as well. Also not that when you base your entire thesis on one mummy, Afro-centrists can take that same picture and do pic related to it.

This is beyond retarded at this point. Egypt was home to a variety of races and ethnic groups during the course of its history, but they were unified by a singular culture, i,e., they were all Egyptians.

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>>3029696
>samoan/nig hybrid
I dont understand what you're getting at

>>3029701
>anyone that isnt an afrocentrist moron is a stormfag

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>>3029701
>this post

>>3029701
WE

>>3029705
Most blacks outside of Africa are mixed to varying degrees, but are still con sidered "black". They even had the rock play the scorpion King.

>>3029701
So you finna say we wuz kangs and shit?

>>3029709
Explain this.>>3029406

>>3029715
>the rock
He's only 1/4 black.
>inb4 one meme rule

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>>3029722
One drop rule. The rocks dad is black.

>>3029725
Can you prove that. Maybe they have African and origins?

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>>3029638
Iraqi here, yep, they definitely could blend in here

A song for our residential LARP-ing Niggergyptians:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyiVDWil-FY

>>3029734
>one meme rule

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Back to the original question. Why would Greek historians say Egyptians came from Ethiopia if they came from the levant?

>>3029768
That's a good question, except Greek historians never said that.

>>3029768
Because we wuz kangz and sheeiiit nigga

>>3029776
They did. Look up diodorus and Herodotus

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>>3029768
greek historians believed bands of headless men and dog people lived in africa

>>3029768
>>3029776
>>3029183

wew

>>3029783
They never wrote that.

>>3029274
Except most Egyptologists are British and they full acknowledged they were North Africa descent and brown why are you bitching

>>3029792
They did, get over it.

>>3029835
Nope, they didn't.

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>>3029768
"Ethiopian" meant dark skinned people at the time; not modern-day Ethiopians. They specifically meant Nubians and such. "Ancient Egypt" was largely a product of the people you see in Upper Egypt today; most of whom would fall under the category of "black" today or "ethiopian" as the Greeks called them.

>>3029274
The only person I've ever seen claiming Egyptians were white was some Bong on /pol/, literally just one guy. Where is this whitewashing you're talking about?

>>3029324
Blacks say that steph curry was white boi before he won a ring as soon as he won a ring "he blyakk"

>>3029844
Kevin Durant is on record saying he thought Curry was white.

>>3029329
Link

I posted this a couple of hours ago, and I see all this insanity in thread: >>3028842

>>3029234
Both stormfags and afrocentrists are idiots. The ancient Egyptians were similar genetically to modern day Copts, they were neither white or black. It makes complete sense that they would be the most genetically similar population.

Let it go and stop arguing. You're not any different to /pol/tards because you deny the copts' their history too.

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>>3029840
There is a kernel of truth to the afrocucks' claims. With this being said, there is still 0 relation to african-americans. Also, the lighter phenotype you see in say modern Copts existed at the time and place too; the women would be depicted as that light at times. But going by the art and Greek descriptions, the majority was the red/brown/black phenotype.

>>3029840
DNA has proven that there were barely any Negroids in Egypt until post Roman times.

>>3029865
Depictions in the bronze age unironically had nothing to do with actual skin color. This is why both Afrocentrists and Nordicists have no fucking clue what they're talking about, skin color in Egyptian paintings almost always depicts social status, and not someone's real, physical skin color. This is also why they depicted children as basically just tiny adults, instead of depicting them as actual children.

>>3029788
>>3029183

"They say also that the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians."

DIODORUS SICULUS
LIBRARY OF HISTORY

p87 Book III

Lol
>>3029839

The only posts that have cite the original source documents are hardly being discussed. Isn't summer fun?

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>>3029873
>muh symbolism
That explanation can only go so far. When you have a preponderance of a particular skin tone over centuries that currently exists in the region, its best to take them at their word at that point.

>>3029887
They say does not mean the same thing as "it is totally true one hundred percent confirmed."

>>3029872
Who said anything about negroids? Upper Egyptians aren't negroids. And you're also likely misunderstanding the study

>>3029872
See>>3029616

>>3029784
They just confused headless with brainless

>>3029927
That is a statue, not a painting, faggot.

>>3029969
>Americans
>white

You realize most white Americans are Ellis island immigrants.

Blacks literally built the capital, but will be accused of we wuzzing in a thousand years.

>>3030009
Niggers built DC? That explains why it's such a shithole.

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The same R1b haplogroup found in King Tut.

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>>3030015
The capital building itself. Have you ever been to DC?

>>3030018
>Bosnians are the whitest people in Europe
Feels goodman

>>3030022
Yeah it's a 3rd world shithole full of niggers. Then again all cities east of the Mississippi are like that, fucking 3rd world.

>>3029616
You didn't read the full article dumb retard they didn't just test pharaohs

>>3029637
Yea honestly it seems only blacks believe in that it's bizarre America stopped believing that long ago and it wasent really based on anything

>>3027397

We could find many a contemporary today who thinks Sikhs are arabs, being contemporary isn't necessarily a golden ticket to accuracy.

>>3029644
Lol no

>>3030068
Commoners couldn't afford mummification

>>3029701
How is it stormfaggorty if the people refuting you are saying Egyptians were Arab huh? Retard

>>3028567
Some of them are, yes.

>>3029384
Why did the Egyptians speak a Semitic language then?

>>3029826
I find it funny how blacks hate everything whites do unless helping them reaffirm their ideology of WE

>>3029377
>>3027402
He looks like a Greek person Tyrone burger kang jr. I know you think the whole world is divided between Blacks and Northwestern Europeans but it isn't.

>>3029847
ik it proves my point

>>3029637
If you look a little negro you are a negro
>>3029636
>Only Americans believe in one drop rule.
that isn't necesarily true however "WE WUZZISM" is distinctly American

>>3030196
Don't bother replying but really think about the last ineractions you had with a black person irl

>>3030219
>If you look a little negro you are a negro
No. The one drop rule means if you have 1% Black DNA you are black. It has nothing to do with superficial appearance.

>>3030018
So the Irish truly are the niggers of Europe? We've come full circle, lads.

>>3030240
t.nog
By blacks I mean niggers North Africans hate them too so you know it's true that they're belligerent and Afro centrism is objectively worse then nordshits

>>3029637
>>3030119
>>3030257

It's based on laws from the Jim Crow era, put in place to keep the white race pure, and establish a racial caste system. The One Drop Rule has no basis in science.

>>3027257
Bump

>>3031042
Man, what a noble cause . Tfw there is an alt timeline where this succeeded

>>3030189
Because arabic muslims conquered them.

>>3029743
I hate /pol/ but this shit is fucking HILARIOUS

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>>3027257
Herodotus also claimed that India had giant ants that dug up gold.

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>>3027417
Dude I know they were Kangz and shit, but it's not some grand conspiracy. You really think with the SJWism in academia, if they were truly kangz it would be all over the internet by now.

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>>3029302
There's literally dozens of predynastic mummies with blonde and red hair. That's enough to prove that the ""native"" population of Ancient Egypt probably wouldn't be considered black by modern standards.
Even with your autistic "one drop rule"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebelein_predynastic_mummies

>New Kingdom pharaohs
Ramesses the Great had Red hair and Asiatic features.

And also, why bring up Herodotus when dozens of Greek sources state that Ethiopians resemble darker skinned southern Indians, while Egyptians resemble lighter skinned northern Indians".
Greco-Roman sources make a clear distinction between Egyptians and actual blacks.

Arrian, Indica 6.9

"As for the people of India, those in the south are like the Aethiopians in color, although they are like the rest in respect to countenance and hair (for on account of the humidity of the air their hair does not curl), whereas those in the north are like the Egyptians."

Manilius, Astronomica 4.724

"The appearance of the inhabitants is also not very different in India and Ethiopia: the southern Indians are rather more like Ethiopians as they are black to look on, and their hair is black; only they are not so snub-nosed or woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians physically."

And actually, why bring up Herodotus if you're going to quote him out of context? In that " dark skinned, wooly haired" quote he's comparing Colchians(Ethnic group that inhabited the areas around the black sea) to Egyptians.
And even then, he's using the Greek word "Melanchroes" which doesn't mean black. In most contexts it means bronzed. In opposition to the word "orchos". Which basically just mean sallow.
And all of this is within context of Herodotus's timeperiod. Greek sources call Persians pale when compared to the tanned Greeks. And tons of people would call Iranians dark skinned today.

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>>3029927
I can cherry pick statues too.
Considering this is Queen Nefertiti, we can assume this was the ancient egyptian beauty standard.

>>3036322
What mummy is that?

>>3036387
Look at the link

>>3036387
Ginger the mummy. A red haired/blonde pre dynastic mummy.
Which predates the "Greek/west Asian" invasion meme kangposters like to spout

>>3036397
This,also they DNA tested 151 different mummies and 1400 bc was one of the highest points of Egyptians culture they were all similar to Mediterranean and the Anatolian populations.

>>3036415
I personally think Egypt is a tiny bit overhyped the most advanced wheel was in slovania circa 5000 bc some of the most advanced gold smelting was done by potatoniggers Ireland in 6000 bc Egypt is extraordinary without a shred of a doubt but no one seems to really study too much of other parts of the world

>>3036415
There is a couple things that don't add up.

1st- meds are notoriously hairy, Egyptians were not. Blonde hair is extremely rare if existent at all in Mediterranean populations, so it is more than highly unlikely that there would be a bunch of pharaohs with blonde hair even if they were Mediterranean. That "blonde" hair looks in no way natural.

2nd- Egyptians drew meds and levantines different and lighter than themselves.

3rd- If they were Mediterranean why wouldn't Herodotus say they were. If they were Greeks, then why wouldn't he call them Greeks? Why would he compare them to Ethiopians.

4th- The Egyptians utilized distinctly African practices ie. circumcision, and mummification as well as style of dress, braids and animists religion.

5th- They often depicted themselves the same color as Nubians, why would they do this if they were a distinctly different people>>3029385

6th- By their own admission they came from the south, why would they say that if they came from the north.

>>3036831
I suspect that Egypt has practically always been somewhat similar to Italy in that the northern populations are lighter, and the southern populations darker. It is just that simple.

Being Egyptian is not really monolithic, but most evidence points to upper(black) Egyptians being a more ancient population.

>>3036831
Where did Egyptians say they came from the south? and a lot of meds have blonde hair some look nordic even the most southern Spaniard I've seen had freckles

>>3029047
> this pic

HOW COME THERES NO MENTION OF EGYPT AT THE TIME THE SPHINX WAS BUILT 12000 YEARS AGO HUH

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>>3027257
Foreign prisoners of Ramesses III: Libyan, Nubian, Syrian, Shasu Bedouin, and Hittite

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>>3036351
Necar Zadegan, an Iranian American actress

>>3036831
>Herodotus compared them to Ethiopians
Herodotus made a distinction between them and Ethiopians. He compared them to a dark skinned(relative to Greeks) people that inhabited the area bordering the black sea.

"For the fact is as I soon came to realise myself, and then heard from others later, that the Colchians are obviouslyEgyptian. When the notion occurredto me,I asked both the Colchians and the Egyptians about it, and found that the Colchians had better recall of the Egyptians than the Egyptians did of them. Some Egyptians said that they thought the Colchians originated with Sesostris’ army, but I myself guessed their Egyptian origin not only because the Colchians aredark-skinnedand curly-haired(which does not count for much by itself , because these features are common in others too) but more importantly because Colchians, Egyptians and Ethiopians are the only peoples in the world who practise circumcision and who have always done so."

I don't think you're going to argue Africans lived near the Black Sea.

>Blonde hair in no way natural

Ramesses the Great and tons of other mummies that predated any Greek or west Asian incursions into Egypt had blonde, red or brown hair. Their follicles survived and have been analyzed. Just like Berbers, the Egyptians are a North African people who can have light hair. Red hair was actually considered to have religous significance in Egypt.

>>3036430
>slovania
What the fuck is that

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>>3029406
>>3036871

analysis of Ramses III's mummy shows the E1b1a haplogroup.

It is very rude towards actual Egyptians to claim someone else were there and not their ancestors, even when it's already proven that no significant genetics change has happened in Egypt from invaders.

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>>3027257
>>3029183
>>3029701

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Aethiopians

what are your thoughts on that egyptsearchfriend

>>3037504
t.underage

>>3037685
They were Moroccan berbers

>>3029234
There were a couple Nubian pharoahs. They were invaders and we're kicked out with the Hyksos at the same time.

Ramsses II had red hair and an aquiline nose. Most Egyptians were typical northern African med stock.

>>3038925
Huh? Explain yourself.

>>3030022
A nigger designed that? Odd I don't believe you.

>>3037685
Odd how they haven't tested Ramsses II. A completely different dynasty and the most famous.

Probably because he's obviously white and they don't want to trigger the we wuz clan.

>>3036351
Yes clearly brown like I said. That's what you see in Upper Egypt .

>>3038973
She looks like literally any North African woman.

>>3039620
In America she would be considered a "black" woman.

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>>3039639
Why do you care what an American would think? Even by that logic she wouldn't be. Nobody would consider Berbers or Egyptians black in the United States.
At this point you're calling literally every person who isn't sallow a black person.

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>>3039766
Most upper Egyptians would. Some "black" women in America are even lighter than that.

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Egyptians depicting Nubians had them darker skinned then them, IE Negroid
Egyptians depicting Hittites, Indo-Europeans, they were lighter skinned then them.

Perhaps, and this may sound crazy, but the inhabitants of Egypt had the same skin color they did today?

>>3040230
I'd call her a Mullato, actual black women look different

t. Texan

>>3040250
Notice how many of the Nubians in that pic are painted the same color as the Egyptian. It is debatable whether or not Egyptians were truly separate and distinct from Nubians or just an extension of. Egyptians came in a range of shades due to admixtures, but originated in the south. The difference would be akin to the difference between north and south Italians.

>>3040259
All black Americans are mixed to varying degrees. One drop rule. Many are deep generational mulattos which is why there are so many lightskinned black Americans.

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>>3040270
>Be Black American
>Be White

>>3027417
retard doesn't know what a genome is

>>3037685
>E1b1a
>sub-Saharan

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

THE ENTIRE E FAMILY CAME OUT OF FUCKING ASIA

>>3040300
>sub-Saharan

Is a relatively modern concept that can't be accurately applied to ancient Egypt because of e age of the Sahara. It also implies a hard stop, rather than a gradient which is incorrect via the Sahel.

manlet link

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/22/health/ancient-egypt-mummy-dna-genome-heritage/index.html

big boy link

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

>the study concluded that preserved remains found in Abusir-el Meleq, Middle Egypt, were closest genetic relatives of Neolithic and Bronze Age populations from the Near East, Anatolia and Eastern Mediterranean Europeans

NEOLITHIC ANATOLIANS YOU GODDAMN RETARDS
THEY ARE EXTINCT
THEIR CLOSEST LIVING RELATIVES ARE BEDOUINS AND PALESTINIANS

>>3040322
How do they know they were Egyptians, and not foreigners?

>>3039639
Americans also think that Japan is bigger then china your points are weak

>>3040343
have you even read past the introduction? Do you know what a genome is?

>>3040350
They could be foreigners.

>>3040300
Kazakhstan to be more precise

How come they draw themselves the same color as nubians>>3040250

>>3040359
>foreigners

racist, have you not considered the possibility that the subjects of your cherrypicked pictures of modern Egyptians may in fact be descendants of foreigners? This does not preclude that they also don't descend from the TRUE WE WUZ Egyptians you know.

But keep in mind that
>ancient Egyptians shared more ancestry with Near Easterners than present-day Egyptians, who received additional sub-Saharan admixture in more recent times.

hmmm, modern day Egyptians are more distant from ancient Egyptians than Near Easterners. Can you explain this strange temporal effect?

>>3040360
I doubt a site that specific can be named legitimately.

>>3040263
>>3040366

that could very easily be a depiction of allied peoples fighting alongside the Nubians.

>>3040250
Where the hell are all the fucking redskins?

>>3040385
>doubt a site specifically
While not absolutely where in Kazakh most definitely somewhere in Kazakhstan

>>3040385
How do they know the "subsaharan" admixture is recent and just doesn't represent a flaw in their research. If anything that discrepancy supports the notion that the remains tested may very well have been foreigners.

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>>3040408
>How do they know the "subsaharan" admixture is recent
again, this is genomics. I am sorry you are a brainlet.

They attribute this recent sub-Saharan presence to the trans-Saharan slave trade and the Islamic expansion, respectively.

>"subsaharan"
>that discrepancy
You are really grasping. What are you talking about? All you're doing is implying the presence of a discrepancy in the evidence because you don't like the fact the results section might just definitively BTFO you.

>>3040429
But the slave trade existed in ancient Egypt also, and has been very well depicted. They are just making stuff up when they say it is recent. It could have possibly been even higher at the time of ancient Egypt. They were clearly looking for a certain result before they even started the study.

>>3040322
>NEOLITHIC ANATOLIANS YOU GODDAMN RETARDS
>THEY ARE EXTINCT

These guys are the dude who first attempted agriculture in the middle east right?

I knew Anatolia was a genetic clusterfuck but never to the point their original inhabitants went extinct.

>>3040439
>They are just making stuff up when they say it is recent.
>It could have possibly been even higher at the time of ancient Egypt.
goddamn you are retarded
like really just fucking stupid go to bed

>>3040429
It is possible that the basis of their ancient DNA does not accurately represent ancient Egyptians considering slavery has always been present, that is actually the more likely scenario especially when one considers Sudan borders Egypt with no natural boundary.

>>3040451
doesn't the nile have two massive waterfalls? wouldn't that compose a barrier to normal human travels because lack of water?

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>>3029932
>They never wrote that.
>sees evidence that they wrote that
>They say does not mean the same thing as "it is totally true one hundred percent confirmed."

really nigga?

>>3040451
>>3040451
>ancient Egyptian DNA does not accurately represent ancient Egyptians

I'm sorry, did you have any more evidence? They sampled 151 fucking mummies but only got complete genomes from three or four. That shit is still definitively striking and according to THE """CNN"""
>The findings have turned years of theory on its head, causing Egyptologists to re-evaluate the region's history while unlocking new tools for scientists working in the field.

oh yeah I'm sure it's just some bullshit.

>>3040461
obviously not, people have been moving up and down the Nile for thousands of years.

>>3040230
Why do you keep bringing up blacks in America? Black doesn't only denote skin color.
It specifically implies Sub Saharan African features. Some Dravidian Indians have way darker skin than African Americans but nobody would call them black. You're grasping at straws for your we wuz narrative. Nobody would consider Ancient Egyptians black just because they were tan.
Would they consider Nubians black? Sure. Ethiopians black? Sure. Maybe some upper egyptians would be considered black. But not people like Neferiti and Ramesses the Great.

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>>3040529
>Ethiopians
Depends on the time period, it's not as if they're a monolith.

>>3040468
>obviously not, people have been moving up and down the Nile for thousands of years.

even pre civilization humans?

>The findings have turned years of theory on its head, causing Egyptologists to re-evaluate the region's history while unlocking new tools for scientists working in the field.

that's an idiotic overreaction if true

one of the keys of genome studies is that they barely affect the phenotype. Anatolians have dozens of admixtures because they are one of the world's crossroads, but their visible phenotypes can be lumped in two, at best. Caucasian Witheish westeners and brownish easteners.

The only thing this studio does prove is the easy to assume idea that people had sex with slaves and trader foreigners. Doesn't mean the whole population looked black or less brown than you average egyptian, or that slave trade was a legitimate influence in how your average peasant looked.

Reading the article:

>genetic continuity between ancient and modern Egyptians cannot be ruled out by our formal test despite this sub-Saharan African influx, while continuity with modern Ethiopians, who carry >60% African L lineages, is not supported

>In contrast, a substantially larger sub-Saharan African component, found primarily in West-African Yoruba

This seals it. Basically the studios are saying "ottoman traders couldn't keep their dicks off the slaves they bought while transporting them from the southern border to the capital"

Also what races does the H mtDNA correspond to? sudanese? southern arab?

I like to see a study like this performed on the brits. I want to know if they got SCANDIED during the vicking age. I'd like to be able to differentiate an anglo from a celt and from germanic mongrel rape babies.

>>3040529
black is a buzzword. ethiopians are caucasian, or more accurately the bastard child of east africans and caucasians

>>3040360

...kazakhstan is a place where a lot of space objects land. AYYY DAS RITE

>>3040536
I'm speaking from the lense of what Americans would consider black. I don't think most of them would tell the difference between a Somali man and an Amhara man living in Ethiopia.

Ethiopia was a broad term for the unestablished Africa.

It is well known that ancient egypt was ruled by nubians for a couple generations after a military defeat of the egyptians. This is where the nig,we wuz kangz comes from.
In reality nubians served as mercenaries in the egyptian army because of their better strength, and yes some may have become higher officials, but they were not "the egyptians"

>>3039620
Well yeah of course there is overlap. She would fit in south Egypt fine. Still on the browner side compared to most North Africans

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>>3039766
> your pic
Top lel you must be blind. She is clearly brown and the color of the average Southern Egyptian .

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>>3038945
Tell me honestly anon. Look at this pic; what race do you see?

Clearly this is a Upper Egyptian/Nubian phenotype. Nubians and South Egyptians are pretty similar if not indistinguishable at times. By modern standards, these people would be on the "black" and "brown" spectrum

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>>3041872
Descendants today

>>3027335

>androphagi

bet they were blond and blue eyed too

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>>3027257

what do these things mean to you people any way?

i mean you discuss them like they have some specific technical meaning that holds baring on interpretations of history and meaning of historical records and whatever

i mean its a fun subject, everione loves to count bloodcells and all, but why are people so obsessed with this?

pic unrelated

>>3039639
lmao, even Jews and Arabs pass for white in America.

>>3041929
it's a good way to track population movement

>>3041874
>>3041872
you're fucking wrong and cancer
migration along the Nile wasn't just in one direction, it went both ways. It's kind of one of the reasons Egypt became so strong. There were several massive migrations into Africa from the Near East among other origin points. You need to exorcise your fucking spooks.

>>3041823
>Egyptians and Nubians came from the same place
>cultural identical
>even depict themselves the same in paintings

Egyptians were greeeeeeek!!!!!

>The people from the north were the invaders, while evidence points to Nubians being indigenous to the area and arguably the same as Egyptians, with Egyptians being a northern extension. A northern Nubian tribe.

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>>3042705
And that contradicts nothing I've said. Egyptian civilization started from the Southern region while gradually integrating migrations from West Asia; predominantly in the Lower region. I.e.: the Hyksos, etc...

>>3042732
http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/were-the-ancient-egyptians-black-or-white-scientists-now-know

>Modern Egyptians share 8% of their genome with central Africans, far more than ancient ones, according to the study, published in the journal Nature Communications. The influx of Sub-Saharan genes only occurred within the last 1,500 years. This could be attributed to the trans-Saharan slave trade or just from regular, long distance trade between the two regions. Improved mobility on the Nile during this period increased trade with the interior, researchers claim.

stop ignoring evidence that utterly BTFO your retarded fairy tale spooks like "migration is only possible in one direction along the Nile."

>Group leader Wolfgang Haak at the Max Planck Institute in Germany said, "The genetics of the Abusir el-Meleq community did not undergo any major shifts during the 1,300 year timespan we studied, suggesting that the population remained genetically relatively unaffected by foreign conquest and rule."

You can be sure, it's all just a big conspiracy. You aren't autistic and wasting your time compiling a worthless database of cherrypicked images defending a strange pseudo-scientific dogma.

>>3027257
Lots of top scientific and philosophical theories come from ethiopea nowadays huh

>>3042745
>Egyptian civilization started from the Southern region

this means absolutely nothing when you consider the obvious discrepancy between modern and ancient Egyptians.

>>3042778
>>3042791
The ancient samples could have very well been foreigners or immigrants to Egypt, why isn't that very real possibility even mentioned?

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>>3042745
The Hyksos never really integrated into egyptian society. They settled in the desert regions and undermined egyptian authority, but they never actually integrated into egyptian society. Egypt was extremely xenophobic, and viewed both Nubians and West Asians as being subhumans.
Which is actually why I don't get the point alot of the kangposters here are making. If there wasn't a clear difference between Nubians and Egyptians, why did Egyptians depict Nubians as these black skinned mutants, and vilify them as literal subhumans? I'm not even talking from a racial standpoint, which is what you're implying. But Egyptians never even accepted them as cultural equals.

>>3042819
Why are you so sure that every genetic sample that goes against your narrative belonged to an "invader".
Literally dozens of predynastic mummies are blonde haired Asiatic peoples.

>>3042819
because it isn't a real possibility, it's far more likely those samples are fucking native given their obvious consistency over 1300 years. In fact their unique genetic clustering almost guarantees it.

Tell me right now what you think a genome is.

>>3042829
It would be similar to the way northern Italians hate on southern Italians.

>>3041856
She has the skin tone of literally any North African. I can't believe you're grasping this hard. Look at any fucking woman from Turkey, to Lebanon, to Iran to Tunisia and they'll all resemble her.

>>3042852
Northern Italians don't literally think Southern Italians aren't Italians.
Egyptians not only didn't believe Nubians weren't Egyptian, they depicted them as having ugly features and being weak and cowardly.
I don't see what evidence can imply Nubians and Egyptians were the "same"

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>>3042855
Ethiopians look way more similar to her and ancient Egyptians at large. Turks are hairy with bulbous noses.>>3029503

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>>3042791
No, the study says that it only got samples from Middle Egypt; not Southern Egypt which is where Egyptian civilization began. The majority of "Egyptians" at that time were the Southerners. Don't believe me? Look up their art. We can clearly see how they depicted themselves.

>>3042855
You must bare color blind dude. MENA skin tone is more akin to Southern European olive tone. That Egyptian queen clearly had a browner tone if that sculpture is to be believed .

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>>3042885
She has the same skin tone as this Libyan woman. I don't know where you got this delusion that only niggers have skin that tan. Even some Spanish women look like her

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>>3042829
Nubia was royal holy analgoius to modern day Sudan desu. North Nubians like Northern Sudanese were very similar to Upper Egyptians. Southern Nubians today's Southern Sudanese were black Nilotic negroids. Ancient Nubia was probably a mix of the two. When depicting their enemies, the Egyptians would stereotypically draw Southern Nubians more to separate themselves from their enemies. Pic related is Nubian pharaoh and queen ; probably same phenotype as average of the time.

>>3042916
*roughly analogous

>>3042870
what makes you think the people who lived in Southern Egypt were radically different than the people who lived in Middle Egypt?

You cannot possibly substantiate this position because it is fundamentally incoherent. You're trying to tell me that there was literally no intermarriage between those regions when it should be obvious that isn't true. Those samples were utterly devoid of SSA genetic influence, and represent a previously unknown population grouping.

Do you honestly believe those same peoples couldn't have been the original Egyptians? Do you even know what the Neolithic is and why the timescale is significant here? You are out of your depth here, we're talking about peoples with lineages going back more than 10,000 years popping up during the time of the goddamn Roman Empire almost completely unscathed.

Actual egyptologists who actually understand things about Egyptian artwork and culture are reeling because of this you know. You're just being stubborn because you have so much of your hard-drive dedicated to a very narrow line of argument.

>>3042916
Where the hell do you see people with red skin nowadays?

>>3042916
>Pic related is Nubian pharaoh and queen
I just did a basic image search and you're full of shit.

In real life, this image is in the funerary chamber of Saqqara, the necropolis of Memphis. These are Egyptians, not Nubians. Go to bed.

>>3042933
But SSA doesn't necessarily mean "black". Unless there was a literal wall between Sudan and Egypt it would be virtually impossible for zero "black" genetics to make it to the border of Egypt northward. That's what makes this study claiming native Egyptians were studied so dubious. It is just so highly unlikely that there was no blackness in Egypt at all considering what lies to the south of the Brit drawn borders with no natural boundaries. The fact modern Egyptians are mulattic also points to their samples potentially being foreigners or immigrants. There has been no sound explanation of how modern Egyptians Suddenly became part black, since they supposedly weren't already. Slave trade? That has gone on since before ancient Egypt.

>>3042933
Human migration patterns alone dictate that they could not have been the original Egyptians.

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>>3042933
>what makes you think the people who lived in Southern Egypt were radically different than the people who lived in Middle Egypt?
Th study authors themselves noted that caveat.

>what makes you think the people who lived in Southern Egypt were radically different than the people who lived in Middle Egypt?
Because that is phenotypically the case now? I doubt the studies have even grouped genomes of the populace by region yet. Im sure when they do, then we will see some interesting results.

>Do you honestly believe those same peoples couldn't have been the original Egyptians
I'm sure they are in part but have been absorbing waves of Eurasian mixture like abdi hypothesized.


>Actual egyptologists who actually understand things about Egyptian artwork and culture are reeling because of this you know.
No, the jury is still out buddy. The art work clearly shows a preponderance of red/brown types with scarce facial hair (unlike meds, arabs and Mena people who are notoriously hairy. This is the type of today's Upper Egyptians, Nubians and North Sudanese. If the art isn't enough, there is clear archeological evidence of the earliest development having their roots in the south . See Nabta Playa amongst other sites. Lastly, several Ancient Greek authors grouped them with "Ethiopians" (dark skinned Nubians) at the time.

The art, the archeology and the other sources clearly point towards it.

>>3043236
Shit quoted twice. I hate phoneposting

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>>3043063
>I just did a basic image search and you're full of shit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El-Kurru

This is what I meant. Nubian Royal Family; clearly there is much phenotypic overlap with the Egyptians to say the least.

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>>3042958
Upper Egypt and North Sudan . Red/Brown average; though tons of people lighter and darker. This is prob what the majority of "Ancient Egypt" looked like though with a significant amount of fair types as well.

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>>3042933
>dark skin
>darker than "asiatics" and "libyans"
>pseudo-cushite looking hairstyles
>hardly any facial or body hair
>tropically adapted long body proportions like ethiopians
Answer me this: Why would a people who looked like arabs depict themselves like this? Do you honestly see a majority of Arab or MENA looking people when you see all the art that has been posted here?

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>>3042855
t.Mugaba Timrempo Shitskine Khalidija

>>3043300
>people who looked like arabs

What the fuck do you think those results from the study were? Stop bullshitting and read the fucking thing you retard.

How do you not understand the simplest shit? Bedouins and Palestinians are the two groups alive today that the ancient Egyptians most closely corresponded to, but it's never suggested that they're the same people. Just that they're ironically more closely related to those two groups than actual modern day Egyptians, which is a fact you just can't seem to wrap your tiny head around.

It's time to put your big boy pants on, autist. Your 19th century racial pseudoscience has no place in legitimate academic discussion.

>ethiopians

HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO GO OVER THIS BEFORE YOU GET IT THROUGH YOUR PEA BRAIN

>>3043175

YOU DONT KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT MIGRATION

>>3043236
>Th study authors themselves noted that caveat.
Wrong.
>doubt the studies have even grouped genomes of the populace by region yet
you are so stupid it's actually unbelievable
>have been absorbing waves of Eurasian mixture

NO
SSA
GENETIC
INFLUENCE
PERIOD

WHAT DOES THAT IMPLY ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF GENETIC ABSORPTION?

>meds, arabs and Mena people
THOSE ARE NOT NEOLITHIC POPULATIONS

>>3043250
>the pyramids date to the early part of the Kushite period, from Alara of Nubia (795–752 BC) to King Nastasen (335–315 BC).

wow, that sure is relevant huh?
>>3043271
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
GOD DAMN YOU ARE DUMB