Why do white people "we wuz" Romans? Don't they

>>3026065
When will they finally ban you? Or do you just keep evading?

>>3026081
anon didn't even sage?

>>3026065
White people have been pushing an agenda for centuries. They claim every great people were one of them and anyone great who isn't white wasn't really that great at all. It's 100xs worse than the paltry fringe black wewuzzers, because white people wrote the history books, so they just put in whatever they want and the masses take it as truth. Whites have spread more disinformation over the years than any other peoples, excepting maybe the Chinee

>>3026065
Good question.

Germanics need to stop LARPing as Romans. It's pathetic

>Romans aren't white
?

>>3026065
WE WUZ CENTURIONS N SHIRT

WE WAS SPQR N SHIET

Romans are to whites what Egyptians are to blacks

i.e. not related

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>>3026101
They look mixed, and one drop rule, so no.

>>3026124
This

Have you been to contemporary Rome? It's full of white people there. I imagine it wouldn't be that different in ancient Rome genetically. Also, the one-drop-rule is retarded. Most people are mixed to some degree. Furthermore, they are also not descended from Sub-Saharan Africa ancestry. That's the important one.

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>>3026140
O'rly

Modern Italians look mixed.

>>3026140
They are more white today than in the past because of the alps.

>The Mediterranean race (also Mediterranid race) is one of the sub-races into which the Caucasian race was categorised by most anthropologists in the late 19th to mid-20th centuries.
>the root term Caucasian has also often been used in a different, societal context as a synonym for "white" or "of European ancestry".

>>3026148
Doesn't matter, Schlomo. It's only like 1%. There's no way they can be considered Sub-Saharan Africans both ethnically and culturally, so they're whites. Blacks can't claim anything from them, while Whites certainly can for ethnic and cultural reason.
>>3026152
Bullshit. If there were a large scale migration like people often said happened in the aftermath of Gothic Wars, then the language should have been entirely replaced in some places, even with just a third of the previous population like the Anglo-Saxons or the Romano-Britons. Heck, even the Arabs succeeded to some degree just by having the elites migrating in North Africa. Why couldn't the Germans/Lombards?

>>3026127

Those are Egyptians though.

>>3026169
They are Roman immigrants to Egypt, they are not native Egyptians.

>>3026174
Roman immigrants? How would you even know?

>>3026065
It's just whitey holdin us down. Eventually people will wake up to the fact that the Romans were black

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>>3026168
Romans were more closely related to North Africans than they were to Germans.

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>>3026185
They weren't black, but they weren't white either, they were similar to North Africans.

>>3026190
No shit because they're a Med stock, a CAUCASIAN sub-race. Oh gods, did you even read my post, you stupid melanin-enrinched person? Why the fuck are you trying to argue they're not related when both Nordic and Mediterranean people are Caucasians? So they are Sub-Saharan or Asiatic then?

>>3026184
Notice their clothes. How would you know they're not?

>>3026205

Egypt was a province of the Roman empire, moron, of course the culture --fashion included-- would have become Romanized.

>>3026204
Caucasian =/= white.

North Africans are of a completely different genetic make up than white people.

>>3026215
So how do you know they are not Romans?

>>3026065
>>3026198
The Romans are genetically the same people as modern day Italians
The Egyptians are genetically the same as people as modern day Egyptians
Why is this so hard to accept? stop with the racial propaganda

>>3026222

Lived in Egypt, died in Egypt, buried in Egypt. The odds are in pro of their having been native Egyptians.

>>3026226
Modern day Italians are not monolithic, from north to south is like night and day, same thing with Egypt. So which side represents the indigenous peoples?

>>3026228
That's like saying idris Elba is English.

>>3026241
But he is English...

>>3026249
Not ethnically.

>>3026250
"English" is not an ethnicity, just as "Egyptian" is not either.

>>3026249
He is a Black (Sierra Leonean) English, a subset of the many ethnicity in England. Not a regular (Anglo-Saxon) English. If you ever met a Black English, you'd know that they have different accent, culture, etc.

>>3026218
>Caucasian =/= white.
Nice lie, Mr. Goldstein (CEO of Bioinfo Corps).

>>3026253
Really getting fed up with you people deconstructing our cultural identities.

>>3026235
Both, with the north having more Etruscan admixture, while the south have more greek admixture

>>3026241
The Fayum mummy portraits are made when Egyptians are already well Hellenised, it's the same reason the closest ethnic to ancient Egyptians who share similar language to them are now Coptic Christians instead of Egyptian pagan; their culture changes

>>3026256

Again, "English" is not an ethnicity, but a nationality. Differences in accent, and subculture, do not indicate ethnic difference, moron.

>>3026269
Southern Italians are dark because they are essentially North Africans.

Copts have almost nothing to do with ancient Egypt. Egyptians came from the south and are essentially the same ethnic group as Nubians and other East Africans and Nile people's.

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>britain, france, germany, the netherlands, spain, italy and portugal were all part of the roman empire, in whole or in part, for centuries
>why are people from these countries interested in the romans

WEW LAD
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>>3026269
infact the Coptic language itself was a result of Egyptian-Hellenic cultural transition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_language

>Coptic or Coptic Egyptian (Bohairic: ϯⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲛ̀ⲭⲏⲙⲓ ti.met.rem.ən.khēmi and Sahidic: ⲧⲙⲛ̄ⲧⲣⲙ̄ⲛ̄ⲕⲏⲙⲉ t.mənt.rəm.ən.kēme) is the latest stage of the Egyptian language, a northern Afroasiatic language spoken in Egypt until at least the 17th century.[2] Egyptian began to be written in the Coptic alphabet, an adaptation of the Greek alphabet with the addition of six or seven signs from demotic to represent Egyptian sounds the Greek language did not have, in the first century AD.[3]

>Several distinct Coptic dialects are identified, the most prominent of which are Sahidic, originating in parts of Upper Egypt, and Bohairic, originally from the western Nile Delta in Lower Egypt.

>Coptic and Demotic are grammatically closely related to Late Egyptian, which was written with Egyptian hieroglyphs. Coptic flourished as a literary language from the second to thirteenth centuries, and its Bohairic dialect continues to be the liturgical language of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria.

>>3026290
South Italians are as dark as a Greek/Thracian Turk, not north Africans, the only place with significant arabic admixture in Italy is Sicily and its more due to mixing happened during Emirate of Palermo/Norman Sicily rule in medieval era
The ancient pre roman Italians are a mixture of various Indo european people like Etruscans, ancient latins, Sabines, which was later hellenised and mixed with Greek colony settlers in Italy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Graecia

>>3026320
Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea, were all part of the Egyptian empire, doesn't make them Egyptian.

>>3026235
>Modern day Italians are not monolithic, from north to south is like night and day

The difference between northern and southern Italians is smaller than the difference between northern and southern Germans, genetically speaking.

>>3026338
>the only place with significant arabic admixture in Italy is Sicily

There is no significant Arab admixture in Sicily. The only migration that left a notable genetic impact on Sicily is the Greek one.

>>3026338
Africans speak French, so that must mean they are French.

The Coptic language is derived from Hellenic Egypt not ancient Egypt.

"roman" was never a fucking race
read their history from the beginning, that's a stupid notion

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>>3026253
>"English" is not an ethnicity

wot.

>>3026352
Greeks are also largely North African.

>>3026371
They're more related to Levants and Anatolia than north Africa

>>3026277
Why are you in this board and spreading lies, Mr. Goldberg?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people
>Historically, the English population is descended from several peoples — the earlier Britons (or Brythons) and the Germanic tribes that settled in Britain following the withdrawal of the Romans, including Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians. Collectively known as the Anglo-Saxons, they founded what was to become England (from the Old English Englaland) along with the later Danes, Normans and other groups. In the Acts of Union 1707, the Kingdom of England was succeeded by the Kingdom of Great Britain.[7] Over the years, English customs and identity have become fairly closely aligned with British customs and identity in general.
It was formed gradually during the Middle Ages. Were Sierra Leonese Blacks there since the Middle Ages? You might fit more with tumblrinas with your Cultural Marxist indoctrination there.

>>3026379
Thanks for making acceptance of English ethnicity synonymous with /pol/. No nuance here.

>>3026390
They are legit Cultural Marxists. These people view nationalities and ethnicity as modern social phenomena and therefore social constructs. They try to pretend to be politically neutral by adopting terms such as 'modernism' or 'constructivism' when in fact most of them are Commies, and some who don't are at least pinko sympathizers. They are cancer in the academia.

>>3026405
I know. And your ideology isn't the most important thing at any given time either.

>>3026405
Besides, it seems like it's mostly a semantic issue with "ethnicity" more than anything. But I guess that's enough to make him your strawman for everything you think is wrong.

I bet you often daydream and play imaginary "arguments" in your head with the worst progressive cuck imaginable, then project that onto anyone who appears to line up with that image at all so you can make use of your practice.

>>3026361
>The Coptic language is derived from Hellenic Egypt not ancient Egypt.
What do you mean? Hellenic Egypt is the continuation of ancient Egypt, the culture transition and overlap, infact ancient form of Egyptian language and hieroglyphs are still well used during Greek Ptolemaic era, they're not two completely separate entities, does the fact that Germanics replace runes with alphabet means they're two completely different people? culture changes, Coptic language are the direct descendant of ancient Egyptian language

>>3026371
Nope, as >>3026377 said, they're closer to modern day western Turks, which at the time was known as Ionian Greek, considered traditional part of Greek hemisphere

>>3026065
I'll use myself as an example of why it occurs. I'm probably of a primarily northern European descent (Britannia, Gaul, Belgica, etc.), so it's more likely than not that I would be of mixed Roman/Germanic/Celtic/Scandinavian descent, though the degrees to which I am any of those things vary widely between individual circumstances based upon my ancestors' choices and the amount of cultural transference that occurred when these various cultures moved into each of these areas. I would never claim to be "Roman", though I'm sure I have at least one Roman ancestor given the odds.

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The USA literally "We Wuz Romans".

>>3026338
>Etruscans
>Indo-european

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>>3026830
Considering that US is the hegemony power in Western, Being US President is equivalent with being Roman Emperor.

>>3026065
>Shit posting the same image in countless threads

Now post Augustus, Nero, Caligula painted statues.

>>3026290
South Italians are swarthy because of Greek mixture. (Yes stormfags , Greeks were just as swarthy back then)

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>>3026825
To weigh on this, I live in the suburbs of Amsterdam. My family tree goes back to ~1700 well documented in the city archives. It's mostly Dutch, but strong Mediterranean features.

I have very prominent Roman features. Aquiline nose, slightly round recessed chin with under lips behind the upper lips in profile. Essentially a clone of pic related. I am not a purebred Roman descendant, but it heavily influenced one side of the family that share my physical traits. I am not wewuzzing and never even mention influence of Mediterranean ancestry, but there is more of a grey area to it. Especially considering that South of the Netherlands was also Roman empire for a long time.

>>3026253
You're delusional

>>3026379
/pol/, you've been BTFO by /his/ numerous times.

You should return to your respective board or /v/

>>3026222
The Fayoum mummy portraits are depicting an egyptian society that had been Hellenic since fucking Alexander. They didn't dress like ancient Egyptians and spoke Coptic. A language that was the result of Egyptian-Greek cultural exchange. Even the art by this point Greco-Roman.
I really really wish you were memeing but I know you aren't. You're way too active on this board to be joking.

>MUH one drop rule

>>3026124
Romans were white

>>3027386
>strong Mediterranean features
Your ancient ancestors were squeezing cow teets and shoveling pig shit, without speaking a lick of Latin, just like eveyone else here Jan.

>>3026089
But muh Western values

>>3026089
Have you ever come to Italy?

>>3026148
Modern Italians are whiter than "white" Americans.

>>3026089
They're Mediterraneans which are considered white Caucasians

>>3027386
You're assuming that European populations all sprung from the ground, within modern borders, around the time of Plato and Aristotle, and that possessing a feature more often found in another European ethnic group is evidence of 'admixture'. The people of Europe, Anatolia and West Asia, and to a lesser extent North Africa and South Asia, are of mostly the same stock. I.e. Descendants of the same few tribes, but in varying degrees.

The people of Iberia have ancient, historic ties with Northern and North-West Africa (that pre-date the Moorish conquest of Hispania), as evidenced by both genetics and archaeology.

Some Greeks have blonde hair and blue eyes. Others, with near-black hair and swarthy skin, look more akin to Persians or Afghans.

Of course, if what you're saying is that you think some of your ancestors lived in Ancient Rome, you're probably right. They founded colonies across Europe. Greeks, who often held high-ranking positions in the army or as doctors, went with them, with tombs as far away as the Anglo-Scottish borders bearing inscriptions in Greek language - ΩΚΕΑΝΟΙ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΘΥΙ ΔΕΜΗΤΡΙΟΣ

>>3029313
No they weren't. They were more similar to North Africans, and Caucasian doesn't equal white. There are blacks with "Caucasian" features.

>>3026390
>nuance
Fuck nuance.
These people are destroying our countries and we're not going to stop calling them out just because it offends your delicate sensibilities.

Pick a fucking side.

>>3029550
You sure his ancestors aren't 16th century Jewish refugees from Portugal or somesuch?

>>3029676
Fuck off nigger, Romans were white and no amount of meming will ever change that.

>>3029676
Romans are more related to Greeks are preexisting Indo-European people than they do with north Africa, as >>3026338 said

The only link they had was Phoenician, who are not even relevant on Italy,

>>3029708
Greeks are also heavily North African. Human migration went from south to north.

>>3029748
>why do whites whitewash everything?
>claims that the greeks and romans were black
Might as well claim also the chinese and the germans were black,no?

>>3027386
Spanish rape babies

>>3026065
>whie peepul

i think you're more retarded than you think you are.

Us central europeans were not romans, nor did we have any desire to be.

go fuck yourself, you ignorant, race bating fuckwit.

>>3026148
Those stats are bullshit. Stop uncritically believing every study.

>>3026065
Your pic is of an Arab, OP
>>3026127
Those are Egyptian-Greek Hybrid you driveling retard. Not Latins.

>>3030497
DNA is science. Is proof.

Show me some proof.

>>3026363
Romans were slavs

>>3030504
My pic is a Roman emperor. Roman.

>>3026127
Not only do we have no reason to believe ancient Italians had any sub-Saharan DNA, real studies prove Egyptians had no Sub-Saharan DNA and those that the slight amount they have now is due to modern admixture. Your pic isn't Italian, it's Greco-Egyptian.

>>3030512
He was literally Syrian/Arab you dumb nig

>>3030506
you don't know how dna sequencing is interpreted, do you?

>>3026198
>only germanics are white
Fuck off retard. You do realize even modern Hispanics are considered white right?

>>3030516
punic father and roman mother

>>3026065
Because we've been using roman and greeks text for hundreds of years as basis for education. Roman Empire covered western intellectual centres, and back before we even had any hope of genetic information to see how related we are (not that long ago) making that link is reasonable and very difficult to disprove

>>3030514
How do they know the subsaharan admixture is recent? If the study was scientific they would realize that inconsistency could be from a flawed base ancient sampling.

Also
See>>3026148

>>3030506
>some clustering algorithm occasionally used by genetic anthropologists based on hardly reliable bayesian statistics assigned 0.2-1.7% of Italian DNA (most of which is probably non coding anyway) as being more likely pan sub-saharan than west Eurasian.
>clearly that's an absolute undeniable hard fact, you just don't get it man

>>3030530
See >>3030537

>>3030537
It's funny how when the DNA supports whitewashing history it is "science" but when it t doesn't it is bullshit.

>>3030669
>It's funny how when the DNA supports whitewashing history it is "science" but when it t doesn't it is bullshit.
What's funny is how little you understand genetics. I don't what views you THINK I have, but strawmanning aside DNA has never been used to "Whitewash" anything. Anyone with a brain knew Egyptians weren't Sub-Sahahans. Which is what this butthurt thread is clearly about.

>>3030537
>0.2%
WE WUZ ITALIANS

>>3030688
They were not subsaharan, but would objectively be considered "black", like upper Egyptians, and no all blacks are not Congolese. One drop rule.

>>3031055
>One drop rule.
Are you the same person with the wewuz Egyptian thread?

>>3031079
No

>>3031055
North Africans don't look "black" in the American sense. Obviously.

>>3031102
"Blacks" in the American sense come in a wide range of phenotypes and shades, so yes many do look North African.

>>3031120
Show almost any American an Algerian, a Moroccan, an Egyptian, ask them "what race are they?" and the answer you get won't be "black." They might say "Middle Eastern," or "Arab," or even "Muslim", and yes I'm well aware all those answers are wrong in their own ways, but the point is, they won't consider them black.

The label "black" does encompass a wide phenotypic range, but North Africans mostly don't fall within it. (Of course there have been a few genuine blacks present in North Africa for thousands of years.)

>>3031055
>>3031094
Here's your answer
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>>3029374
>>3029375
>>3029449
>>3029636
>>3029668
>>3029744
>>3031042

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>>3031153
O'rly

>>3031159
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>>3029467
>>3029492

>>3026065
I'm pretty sure Caesar Augustus was blonde.

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>>3031173
I mean seriously this guy looks white as fuck.

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>>3026089
Pic related

>>3031159
You just posted a picture of a half-Sudanese man, you idiot. One who encountered prejudice because he was unusually dark-skinned and clearly not a fully native Egyptian.

And okay, obviously Sudan is usually considered to be a North African nation, so if that's your point, then congratulations, "North Africans don't look black" is a mild overstatement. Many Sudanese do look black by American standards. But nobody's disputing that, and the fact that ancient and modern Nubians look(ed) black (ish) is relatively uncontroversial. Upper Egyptians, contrary to what you're alleging, certainly do/did not.

>>3031196
You're confusing Nordics/Germanics with white
Italians/south Europe are also white

>>3031196
Why that a stupid blonde bitch think that all her ancestors were brunets?

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>>3031159
some afrocentrist nignog posts this sudanese mutt on /pol/ constantly to prove duh gypshunz be black n' shiet

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>>3031208
Dude if you aren't cherrypicking, tons of southerners are indistinguishable from nubians/north sudanese.

>>3031055
>One drop rule.
low IQ posts are automatically hidden.

>>3031233
It's literally the same fucking nigger posting the same shit over and over and over, he made like 5 threads today alone.

>muh one drop rule
>muh Steph Curry
>muh Italians are actually niggers
>muh Semites are from Niggeria
Too bad we don't have IDs like /pol/ I'd just filter him

>>3031274
The example you just gave above practically DEFINES cherrypicking, you dense motherfucker. "Eep, I found a picture of a black-looking Egyptian man! Clearly Egyptians all look black! Never mind that he was ridiculed for having unusually dark skin and foreign heritage!"

What exactly is your point here? That populations grade into each other? That people interbreed and mix? That there's no hard line you can draw where everybody north of it will look clearly uncontroversially Arab and everybody south of it will look clearly black? Who's disputing that?

You wrote this above:
>They were not subsaharan, but would objectively be considered "black", like upper Egyptians
Are you or are you not claiming that Upper Egyptians, generally speaking, look "black", in the American sense?

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>>3031305
Yes, black Americans come in a wide range of shades and phenotypes. There are some that are lighter than the vast majority of upper Egyptians. They don't all look like Leslie jones.

Pick related is an American "black" guy. He would fit right in in upper Egypt.

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>>3031305
I'm not the other guy you were talking to. If you study the ancient art, it's pretty clear that the "Ancient Egypt" was largely the product of the red/brown people you see best represented further south today. Most of them would fall under the category of "black", similar to how Ethiopians do despite not being negroid or related to west Africans.

>>3031335
>>3031347
Same argument all over again
>>3031155
>>3031291

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>>3031354
I don't see the controversy. We have a plethora of artwork of the ancients throughout centuries telling us how they looked. We have people right there right now who match up with that art work. It's that simple. It's no coincidence Ancient Egyptian civilization started from the southern region. The majority were the phenotype you see in Upper Egyptians/Nubians/Northern Sudan. Most of whom would be considered "black" if transported to the West. Maybe s weird/unique kind of "black" like Ethiopians but still "black". Similar to how Greeks referred to them as ethiops.

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>>3031335
He's half white retard don't race mix kids

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>>3031526
>I'm blaxk gipshun niw wyte boi was good fuc the coptss die amerikkka"""

>>3031526
All black Americans are mixed to varying degrees. One drop rule.

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>>3031556
How's senior year treating you?

>>3031556
Oh ok so you're not pretending to be retarded

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>>3031526
>half black
>black dad left you
>raised by caring white family
>still hate white people
Fuck man. He's even worse than I thought.

>>3031636
What doc is that?I've been meaning to watch it and yeah Colin is despicable to his core on and off the field

>>3026830

Das Rite

>>3026367
it's called Briton
Now it is Anglo-Saxon
in other words, you are retarded

>>3026259
>>3029020
first it was Briton
now it is ANGLO-SAXON
non of those words say "ENGLISH" do they?

>>3026089
Jelious negron detected.
Whites are great bexause we did create it all.

>>3031885
>people with a history of only a 1000 years talking shit
What's that? I could not hear you over the sound of the voluntary extinction of your people.

>>3026065
This meme is close to holocaust denial, and does a great job of stirring strong emotional reactions to something taken by most folks to be fact.

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>>3026218
GTFO, brainlet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_North_Africa

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>>3026065
>Don't they realize the alps acted as a geographic barrier.
>teleports behind you
Nothing personal, bro

>>3026089
This desu.

>>3031885
Actually Incas were superior to europeans.

Kyselves

>>3026320
iraq was part of the roman empire as well.

This is a very shitty argument anon.

>>3026226
I would imagine ancient Romans being less Germanic, that shouldn't be a questioned, am I wrong? Also later Romans probably interbed with people from across empire...