Why were Japanese soldiers unable to control their urges when

>>3011273
Domestic repression culture.
Imagine being on a chain all your life, frustrated, and you're finally let loose.

>>3011273
Why should they?

>>3011273
That's the fun part of war.

How many threads will you make

>>3011273
Because War is hell and every soldier is a demon. Japanese being so repressed would excel at being devils.

New recruits into the Japanese army were deliberately treated like dogshit for a year by their officers and elders in some autistic attempt to turn them into robots that would follow orders without question. The soldiers basically all became pressure cookers ready to explode.

>>3011364
>deliberately treated like dogshit for a year by their officers and elders in some autistic attempt to turn them into robots that would follow orders without question.

That's basic training in every army ever?

>>3011273
They were going to kill them any way, so why not rape them first?

>>3011399
>That's basic training in every army ever?
It's not. Getting shouted at and having to do extra PT for the sake of training is in no way being treated like shit.

>>3011424
kys

>>3011456
Why not?

>>3011273
Samurai spirit

>fight war
>get surprised people die in it

They finally got the chance to try out their hentai fantasies

>>3011273
They weren't Christians and had a vague concept of morality.

>>3011464
rape is worse than murder

everyone knows that

>>3011535
pretty sure they were still Buddhist

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>>3011273
1. Because of Nationalist brainwashing
2. Because of Japanese work ethics and efficiency
3. Because the Chinese are subhuman anyway, I fucking dare you to walk through China with a rifle in your hands and not Nanking 2.0

>>3011273
This is firthy rie. Japanese never do such thing to Chink in Nanking. They were honorabr to Chinks. Fake of Nanking is arr fake.

>>3011364

In his book, Tameichi Hara describes being beaten almost constantly during his first and second year in the naval academy, both by teachers and older students. They also had to do stupid exercises where they were required to stand in the sun, almost completely still, every Sunday for basically the entire day. He hated it so much that he always made an effort to avoid any sort of physical punishment when he was finally made a destroyer captain, because he didn't want any of his crew to hate him the way that he'd hated his teachers at the academy. I imagine that it was even worse for the IJA officers during their training.

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>>3011273
Nice Chinese communist propaganda image.

>Start a thread with a forgery of Nipps bayonetting young Chinamen

>>3011821
Is there any proof the the picture is actually fake?

>>3011273
What I find interesting is that the Japanese army also fought in China during the Boxer Rebellion and there are accounts of them being scandalized by how rapey the European soldiers were. Not "whatabouting" just wondering how such a cultural shift could occur.

>>3011788
>Stand in the sun, every Sunday for basically the entire day.
What the fuck does this accomplish? He could've done something more efficient and productive than stand in the sun.

>Beating your men.
What the fuck does beating accomplish?

>>3011613
>Asia weebs out and collectively forgets they have guns.webm

>>3011837

Soldiers at war are always "rapey" to some degree, but the actual frequency of rape depends to a large degree on the officers in charge, what they are personally willing to tolerate, and how hawkish they are about actually enforcing the rules. The reason why Nanking got so out of control is because the officers present didn't even try to stop it, they actively encouraged it. It was like a game to them.

>>3011435
Yes it was, even in the US armed forces before negroes were taken in and especially in German, Austro-Hungarian and Russian (this took new extremes in post-WW2 Soviet army, after criminals were conscripted) armies.

>>3011876
And I might add that those same tattoeed subhuman criminals, who made the life of zek's unbearable in the camps.
But the 'rule of grandfathers' and general corruption has existed in the Russian military since Peter the Great.

>>3011876
>Yes it was, even in the US armed forces.
If this was true. Why did Patton get shafted for slapping an enlisted and was forced to apologize + shake his hand?

>>3011273
the same reason they attack someone then complain when they get the nukes
autism

Of course "No means no", but should the people of Nanking maybe not dressed that way?

>>3011843
Among other things, The Japanese Army Officers considered anyone who wasn't an officer politically unreliable, similar to the Italian army.

Where the Italians dealt with the problem by not trusting their army to have guns, the Japanese resorted to absolute brutality.

>>3011843

During Hara's third year at the academy, there was a change of leadership that greatly improved the situation, if only temporarily. Kantarō Suzuki was put in charge of the school, and he immediately changed the rules to forbid physical punishment of students, saying that the beatings were making the students like sheep, whereas the school was supposed to be producing lions. However, Suzuki was too good of an officer to be wasted at the academy, and he was soon promoted beyond that position. His reforms didn't survive for very long after his departure. Suzuki later became Prime Minister of Japan during 1945, during which he presided over the final negotiations between Japan and the United States.

>>3011898
They didn't complain, they accept it and move on
They aren't cucks

>>3011613
I see they made an Exalted movie.

>>3011843
It instirs disciprin

>>3011535
Unironically kill yourself

>>3011859
Yeah which is why I wonder what caused the cultural shift in Japanese military leadership, especially considering how much of an effort was put to instill """discipline""" in Japanese recruits.

>Beat your recruits mercilessly and make them stand in the sun all day for no reason to instill """discipline"""
>Allow them to run rough-shod over the territories they occupy raping and murdering as they please
What went wrong? Was all it all just an exercise in homosexual sadomasochism and some gay officer clique in bootcamp was just using the troops to get their rocks off before turning them loose on the world?

>>3012065
Fear of Gommunism

>>3011894

Because the culture in the military is very different from the culture outside of it, especially along generational lines. The shit Joe says and does, especially in combat, is completely alien to those who have not experienced it first hand. What Patton considered a mere motivational action was considered completely out-of-bounds from an outside perspective.

>>3012065
I had a discussion with a history grad student at a football game. She argued that war and crimes associated descend from traditional concepts of masculinity. So your probably right in a way. After being emasculated for so long in training, the Japs went overboard when let lose as a way to prove their manhood.

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>>3011273
Well they didn't fare to well when they were facing a capable enemy, all the in fighting between the IJA and IJN didn't help either

>>3012136

no Patton was out of line and was put in his place

>>3012149
Or maybe they were just angry and frustrated and wanted to make some other people feel their pain and anger? If you beat a dog it becomes angry, paranoid and violent.

Maybe they beat all the compassion and civility out of their soldiers and then let them loose on the enemy.

>>3011399
I wasn't aware it was basic training to have your barracks collectively beat the shit out of your recruits because your superior punched you in the face because his superior was angry about being slapped by his superior.

>>3012149
What school does she go to so I can ignore everything from them

>>3012149
This has nothing to do with masculinity and the woman you talked to is a moron for saying so, but there's a grain of truth to it. It's a deferral of anger, which everyone from grown men to women to young children perform.

>>3011876
Do you have any evidence to back this up? Or are you just talking out your ass?

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>>3012149

>She argued that war and crimes associated descend from traditional concepts of masculinity.

>>3012149

should have just retorted about what if women were made to go through the exact circumstances and whether she believed they wouldn't resort to the same levels of insane brutality.

>>3011537
Go suck off Jamie Killstein you goof

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Well maybe the Chinese and Koreans shouldn't have insisted on eating dog

>>3013173
search your heart you know it's true

even in ancient and medieval times rape was worse than murder

kill millions and you can still convince people it was necessary/justified
but rape one person and everyone is calling for your head
the right hates you because women are fragile
the left hates you physically and mentally harmed someone
lets face it, rape it worse than murder

>>3013186
Rapists generally get less prison time so society does view Murder as a worse crime, but you know that.
Would you honestly rather die, become nothing , never enjoy anything again or be raped and pick up the pieces and start your life again?
It wouldn't be easy but one could live a full happy life after a rape . One isn't afforded these luxuries after being murdered.

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>>3011399
>That's basic training in every army ever?
No, the military does not want robots. They want soldiers capable of thinking and reacting on their feet. That requires soldiers who have a genuine confidence in their officer corps to lead them to victory that inspires them to go looking for creative ways of helping the war effort. The ethos is that learning to follow orders is the first step on the road to leadership.

Soldiers being lead by fear follow their orders blindly and to the letter for fear of punishment. They'll also be insanely risk-adverse and bureaucratic, for fear of being punished by some officer who's a total control freak and doesn't appreciate when underlings show initiative. Training your soldiers to be cruel doesn't make them better soldiers, it only makes them better at terrorizing civilians, but in the field against other soldiers cruelty is superfluous, and victory comes down to the basics: marksmanship, land nav, and PT.

That's why the Japanese seemed unbeatable when they were repeatedly banzai'ing poorly trained Chinese conscripts and raping Nanking, but when they tried that shit against well trained American G.I.s, the Americans held the line and rolled out the machine guns.

Zealotry is not a substitute for professionalism, it's the counterfeit of it.

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>>3011273
You mean, like most soldiers in human history...


Really, this is nothing new nor unique to any culture. The goal is not only to send solders trained to murder (in many cases, since childhood), but to also instill fear into enemies.
Honestly, murdering and even raping (or at least kidnapping women as prizes) was not just common practice in wars and pillages, but pretty much the understood unwritten rule.

>>3013350
This has been true throughout human history.
Well trained soldiers who trust their leader beat well trained soldiers who don't, who beat poorly trained zealots who beat poorly trained soldiers who don't trust their leaders.

Enthusiasm is no replacement for experience.

>>3011613
Funny movie.
>>3011922
Kek.

>>3011876
>Austro-Hungarian
if training had become harsher post 1840s i can't tell but the Austri-Hungarian discipline and training was not as cruel to the privates as literally every other army in the 1790s onward

>>3013202
I always say this: it depends on the person. People react to things differently based on their own subjective reality. Rape is a form of torture so I can see some people who lack resilience preferring death.