Why do people unironically defend the Romanovs? NICHOLAS DINDU

At least they weren't commies

>communist
>innocent

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>>3011144
>>3011146
Not an argument.

>>3011152
Rich people can do no wrong

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monarchists are ultimate cucks
>muh divine right

Because 4chan has a vocal minority of bitter NEETs dreaming about fascism every single day of their miserable lives.

>>3011160
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur

Literal cucks.

>>3011167
>monarchy
>fascism

oh brother

>>3011174

>Implying most fascists on this sub dont fetishize over monarchies

nice b8 m8

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Rather the devil you know. Communism is the worst possible option, it's an authoritarian obligatory cult.

>>3011120
Because they pretend to be in a world where they're hardcore anti-communist crusaders. Therefore, anyone who was opposed by communists are automatically good guys.

>>3011174
>not knowing Franco restored the monarchy after taking power
Wew laddie

>>3011146
The people massacred on bloody sunday were just peasants who didn't even know what communism even was. But it's no surprise that right-wingers know nothing about history, since they are low IQ, uneducated, and play video games instead of reading books.

>>3011120
We're not defending him, we're defending his family

Always do the opposite of what the jews say.

>>3011204
then how can they be communists?

nice projection

>>3011120
>HE DIDN'T MEAN TO SLAUGHTER ALL THOSE INNOCENT PETITIONERS
>when you retards will start learning history?
>"the Tsar was not at the Winter Palace and did not give the order for the troops to fire"

>>3011120
Because the soulless beast it turned into pretty much absolved him.

>>3011187
Franco wasn't fascist, though.

>>3011520
Pretty much this. Excesses of Bolsheviks far outweighted the excesses of Romanovs.

>>3011520
>>3011885
It doesn't absolve him, it means the excesses a
of Communism in Russia are also his fault as his failures caused the revolution.

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>>3011881

>>3012051
Don't see what's there to disagree with.
Franco's regime was just a regular conservative dictatorship.

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It's the fact they gunned down and bayoneted his family in a basement that disgusts me.

Just hang Nicky, you don't need to stab his fucking daughters to death.

>>3011174

Italy had a king while Mussolini was in charge.

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>>3011120

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>>3011120
>>3012084
Romanov family deserved to have their lineage wiped out to the last child. Its divine justice for what they did to the Circassians .

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>>3011120
Fuck the Romanovs. The only reason they support them is because they dislike communism more.

>>3012104
Nah, Im Circassian, killing woman and children are never justified

>>3011120
>HE DIDN'T MEAN TO SLAUGHTER ALL THOSE INNOCENT PETITIONERS

he literally wasn't in the city at the time, they demanded to see him, the guards said he wasn't in, they tried to force their way in anyway, they got shot, some how this is the tsar's fault.

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>>3012119
you are quite forgiving, then .

>>3012089
Not real Fascism.

>>3012119
just like circassian women and children starved en masse and died from disease as the tsarist armies exported them to istanbul. really makes you think...

>>3012166
What the fuck, Italy was literally the first fascist nation in Europe.

>>3011182
>it's an authoritarian obligatory cult
Yes, unlike the absolute monarchy of the Russian Empire, which was very liberal and free.

Nigger tried to destroy my nation. Burn in hell faggot LMAO

>>3012119
Wow I thought being a cuck was just a western thing.

>>3011120
>HE DIDN'T MEAN TO SLAUGHTER ALL THOSE INNOCENT PETITIONERS
Well, not only he didn't mean to slaughter them, he outright didn't slaughter them. He wasn't even in St. Petersburg at the time and the massacre happened because of a single gung ho Cossack commander.

Nicholas mentioned in his diary:
>Difficult day! In St. Petersburg there were serious disturbances due to the desire of workers to get to the Winter Palace. The troops had to shoot in different places of the city, there were many dead and wounded. Lord, how painful and bad!
Doesn't sound like a memory of a bloody sadist who gave the order to shoot does it?

>>3011120
>Why do people unironically defend the Romanovs?

Some people are born slaves, even in a free society they yearn for a master and dote piteously over every ruler they see.

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>>3011428
>expecting Commies to know anything about history

>>3011120
>Tsar Nicholas and his family PERSONALLY killed over 9 gorillion innocent Russian peasants with their bare-hands and teeth!
Those monsters....
Thankfully we had the brave men of the Bolshevik Red Army and the Check to put them in their place by brutally murdering them in a basement without trial, mutilating their bodies and burying them in an unmarked grave!

>>3012601
>PERSONALLY
I wouldn't be surprised if the Bolsheviks actually made people believe that. I mean, the revolutionaries during the French revolution literally spread propaganda that the aristocrats are witches and vampires who feast on murdered children every night.

>>3011120
>HE DIDN'T MEAN TO SLAUGHTER ALL THOSE INNOCENT PETITIONERS
He didn't, though.

>>3012104
Behold, the subhuman morality of a communist.

Because Nicholas was put into a position that he was ill prepared for and didn't even want.

Not to mention the fact that the Bolsheviks executed his family and attendants in the name of "Muh socialism" when they could have just killed him and let his family go to Denmark or England.

>>3012051
Franco legitimately wasn't a fascist though.

Nico wasn't a good Tsar, but he wasn't a bad person. I'd say he got what he deserved if he was deposed instead of having himself and his whole family brutally murdered.

Fuck off tsarists Romanovs are dead and they'll remain dead

>>3012084
They didn't want any of their children to act as a rallying point for Monarchists. You can't support the royalty if their are no royals left.

>>3012104
I'd genocide her pussy, if you know what I mean.

>>3012192
Zat was ze joke

You support the murder of the entire Romanov family because of an unprepared monarch who was neglected by his idiot father? Nice opinion dude, Anastasia totally deserved to have her skull smashed in by the rifle of a communist.

>>3014566
>Alexander III
>idiot
The only idiot here is you, he was probably the best tsar since Peter the Great. It's not his fault he died so early without time to properly prepare the tsarevich.

because they are americans and naturally they are retarded, could be english too, they have hardon for monarchs, amiblobs are just afraid of commies

>>3014572
>Oh, let's not train my son to be czar even though he's well in his 20s by now.
He was a lazy piece of shit to not train his son from the moment Nicky could read.

>>3014574
All the commies on this board are Americucks, plus Americans have a pathologic fear of monarchs dating all the way back to George Washington.

>>3014566
The killing of nobility is necessary to prevent counter-revolutionaries rallying around them and to show the power of the vanguard, comrade

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>>3014582
Powerful leaders keep the idiotic and sensationalist masses in check to prevent the starvation of millions of innocent people, 'comrade'.

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>>3014588
>powerful leaders

>>3014592
>lol don't disturb me while I piss and shit myself to death in the bathroom
So powerful

>>3014580
Guess how old Alexander himself was when he became the heir apparent?
>calling the best tsar a piece of shit
I want republican cucks out.

>>3014600
>best tsar

You misspelled Nicholas I

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>>3011120
>one elite replaced by another
>power taken by small number of commies right after the civil war
>population starves and suffers, while the Party leaders eat meat every day
Hmm, I wonder why?

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>>3011120
DON'T BULLY NICKY

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>>3015845
This. Leave Nicko alono

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>>3015882
>>3015845
>>3011120
INNOCENT

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>>3015888
>>3015882
>>3015845
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>>3011160
>supports an ideology that wants the government to have maximum power in the country
>calls others cucks

>>3015901
>he doesn't like absolute monarchy
>therefore he is a communist
Boy, the cold war was a fucking adventure, huh.

>>3015917
at least monarchy can lose its power and be reduced to tourist attractions, unlike communism

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>tfw Tsar Alexander the Liberator was literally days away from starting the process of introducing constitutional monarchy in Russia when the Anarchists fucking blew him up and consigned the nation to his moron autocrat son

Good 'ol Joe actually did something to get his power, he worked his ass up - he was not born into the position like some cunty monarch. Being a monarchist is the biggest cuckedom ever, you literally support someone being in a position of power and wealth that can never be attained by you.

>>3015939
Alexander II was a fucking dipshit who got killed by the very same people he wanted to liberate. Do you think it's a coincidence that the hardline reactionary rule of his son was also the most peaceful and prosperous period in modern Russian history? Try reading Petersburg Dialogues from Joseph de Maistre, he exactly predicted the real consequence of the Russian liberation 100 years in advance.

>>3015927
>communism can not fail
Da, Comrade, USSR4EVR

>>3012084
The problem is the monarchy model is so related to blood line that if they had spared them it would have merely given them a chance to revive and retaliate, you can say its gross or morally wrong if you wish but its the only real way to annihilate monarchy.

>>3015974
You realize Romanovs and claimants still exist right?

>>3015984
Yes but my point is it makes no real sense to spare them, if they did they would just raise their chances to retaliate at some point.

>>3015989
But there were already Romanovs in exile at that point so what the fuck did it accomplish? It didn't extinguish the dynasty.

>>3015974
Nicky's children weren't even eligible for the throne. When Nicky abdicated, the right to the throne passed to his cousin(?), Michael.

>>3012163
Two wrongs and all that liberal bullshit

>>3013745
>divine justice
>communist
kufar scum get out

>>3011120
He had hot daughters

>>3012084
>>3016202
I'd give the one on the right my bayonet if you know what I'm sayin.

>>3011120
Why do people unironically defend the Bolshevists?

LENIN DINDU NUFFINS

HE WAS A GOOD BOY

HE JUST WANTED TO SPREAD C*MMUNISM THROUGH VIOLENT REVOLUTIONS

HE'S WAS TRYNA KILL DA EBIL BOURGEOIS

>>3016469
That's all correct

>>3015989
That only makes sense if they had a realistic way to get at the other claimants. All they did was make everyone else consider them a reckless and illegitimate violent mob.

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>>3015845
>>3015882
>>3015888
>>3015893
>Cucks your path

heh nothing personal, crown...

>>3011180
>Sub
Go back to le ddit please

>>3011180
>sub
You're not even trying are you

>>3015893
>>3015888
>Still doing dumb looks for cameras
>Still planking
>A century ago.
Never change humanity.

>>3015901
>i don't understand communism

>>3012573
Explains why people are still commutards, then. Pathetic slave mentality combined with child like naivety.

>>3012585
>expecting commies to know anything
Literally the dumbest group of people in existence.

>>3016757
Too bad (for commutards anyway, lel) he failed and his legacy is mud.

>>3017416
He doesn't have to, it's failed every single time it's been tried and has been irrelevent since the 1990s.
You may as well "understand" ancient Aramean religion. I mean, you could, but no one cares and it's dead, so what's the point?

>>3017655
Reading about ancient aramean religion would unironically be more interesring than listening to a bunch of deluded teenagers try to shill their failed ideology.

>>3011120
>HE DIDN'T MEAN TO SLAUGHTER ALL THOSE INNOCENT PETITIONERS
What fucking business did they have marching at his palace? The soldiers were in the right to shoot. Too bad people don't do that shit anymore, border police should be shooting at refugees right now. Learn to respect borders and property.

>>3011168
>supposed legal right
>no evidence of the right being exercised in medieval Europe

>>3012089
That's irrelevant.

>>3017709
The point is that he didn't slaughter anyone, he didn't even know about the massacre until much later that day. Nicky was an incompetent tsar, but he had a heart made of gold, portraying him as some sadistic butcher and a tyrant is 100% Anglo and Judeo-Bolshevik propaganda.

>>3011168
>literally falling for enlightement propaganda

>>3014581
desu, at this point I think that the concept of a monarchy has gone through the "degradation" phase of fear. It's kind of a joke to Americans.

>>3018545
how does (((desu))) turn into desu?

>>3011180
>sub

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The Romanovs got off lightly.

Should've faced a much harsher and more humiliating punishment in order to strike fear into the Whites.

>>3018545
No, you still see plenty of those Alex Jones types who unironically think that monarchy = tyranny.

>>3017709
>What fucking business did they have marching at his palace?
This sort of attitude is why Nicky got overthrown and shot, and it's why it was good.

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Why didn't Nicholas II just resigned on behalf of his brother or whoever was next in line? He clearly was not that interested in all this government bullshit.

>>3018647
He did. Bolsheviks still killed him.

He did nothing wrong

>>3018655
I mean from the start in 1894.

>>3018671
>backpedaling

>>3018609
You are definitely right on that point. It's just caused by a lack of exposure.

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>>3018673
Well, the question is a legit one. It was Nicholas II apathy to ruling country that ended him, where he ended up. If you prefer shooting crows to ministry meetings, why even bother to being with?

It isn't like that wasn't allowed, Constantine refused the crown for example.

>>3017020
Was there any actual evidence that he was banging the Tsarina?

>>3017709
Not only that, he wasn't even there. He literally dindu nuffin in this case.

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>>3011180
>sub

>>3011204
>fighting for the proletariat
>lol fuck those low iq people

>>3018815
None, it was fabricated by that Tatar faggot Yusupov and his friends. He also invented the meme about Rasputin surviving poisoning and a direct gunshot to the head, just to make him appear as a demonic entity.

>>3018609
It is tyranny though.

>>3018821
> He literally dindu nuffin in this case.
His main problem was that he did nothing until it was too late and everyone decided that they can do anything and must do something.

Like it would be better if he ordered to shoot and scared some revolutionaries here and there.

>>3018851
t. Cletus McBurger

>>3018828
> meme about Rasputin surviving poisoning and a direct gunshot
It is the other way around. He was shit at actually using poisons (i.e. hiding Cyanide is sweets when sugar is known counteragent) and guns (probably, never shot anyone in his entire life), so he tried to not become a joke by saying how *demonic* that Rasputin guy was. It is like when you can't math, but pretend that 2+2x2 is a problem of a century.

>>3015974
>>3014100
The daughters were not legitimate heirs to the throne due to their gender. Legitimate male heirs still existed and were not used as rallying points.

They were murdered to show that there was nothing the new regime would not do to stay in power. Trotsky himself wrote, paraphrased, that the entire family was killed to show everyone--enemies and otherwise--that there would be no turning back beyond this point. If you were against them, they would kill you--even if you were a woman or a child or innocent. If you were with them, you knew that they weren't fucking around and that you could not defect. Once you murder women and children and servants in cold blood, there is no going back.

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>The shooting was complete chaos. Vyrubova [sic] tried to protect herself with the pillows. After the first shots, I saw Alexei frozen in his chair, and his ashen face was covered with his father's blood as he sat there, unmoving in terror. One of the younger daughters died when she was shot in the back. Comrade Ermakov finished off a daughter by stabbing her in the chest over and over, and I remember Comrade Yurovsky shooting Tatiana in front of me; her head seemed to explode in a shower of blood and brains. The scene was sickening: the room was chaos, with blood and body fluids and brains all over the floor, and several comrades got sick at the sight.

>>But Anastasia was still alive, and Marie, too, for as their bodies were carried to a Fiat truck that stood waiting in the courtyard, first one, then the other, suddenly sat up, coughing blood, moaning, screaming. They were outside now, and the men couldn’t shoot them; the bayonets came out, slashing through the air, but the knives struck the hidden jewels. And so someone grabbed a rifle, turned it around, and hammered away at the barely conscious faces, driving the wooden stock down again and again and again. Battered into silence, choking on splintered bone and shattered teeth, drowning in her own blood - this was how Anastasia died.

>>3018895
They deserved it for being part of ruling class. Just think about all Russians that died because of the monarchy that started World War I.

>>3018877
No, Rasputin was actually properly autopsied and was discovered to die of gunshot almost instantly, the rest is just mythology.

>>3018918
That is what (((they))) want you to believe.

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>>3012084
>mfw its another Jew trying to justify Jewish brutality episode

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>>3018916

>>3018916
You have access to the internet and therefore deserve to be murdered for being that privileged.

>>3011187
>Franco was a fascist
Why are tankies so retarded?

>>3011120
Romanticism plain and simple.

>disregard millions dead in war
>lament death of man that got them into it

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>>3011180
>sub
Red fucking handed

>>3011180
>sub
Fuck you and everything you stand for

>>3019043
>Tsar was responsible for WW1
Hi Hans

>>3018916
Way more Russians died in the Civil War than WWI. Waaay more in the famines.

>>3011120
Nobody would give a shit about the Romanovs if their death didn't make for great right-wing propaganda. Historically, countless monarchs and their families have been executed, but usually by other monarchical factions who don't allow for broad condemnations of emancipatory ideologies.

The Romanovs were poor leaders who risked it all in WW1 and failed more spectacularly than anyone had thought possible. Their removal from power was completely justified, but their murder obviously wasn't.

Lenin had thought that killing the Romanovs would prevent reactionaries from using them as a propaganda. Instead, the exact opposite happened. The Romanov daughters, despite doing literally nothing, are now saints in the Orthodox Church because they were beautiful and were murdered by secularists.

>>3018827
Right wingers have literally never fought for the interests of the proletariat.

>>3018930
Class isn't an identity. It's based one's active relationship to the capitalist system, rather than some immutable aspect of one's person.

>>3019218
I reject this notion that killing of the tsar was some sort of premeditated, calculative killing. It was a literal knee jerk chimpout, Czechoslovak legions were about to liberate Ekaterinburg and free the tsar, the commies didn't know what to do so they just shot him on the spot.

>>3019234
>class isn't an identity
It's literally a fictional social construct

>>3019235
True, I was being misleading. Lenin said, after he had been informed of their execution, that without the Romanovs the Whites would lack a flag to rally around.

>>3019237
Class is behavior. Religion and nationality aren't. You can be a non-practicing Catholic, and nationality and ethnicity are fluid.

Somebody who owns capital is bourgeois. Somebody who works for a wage is proletarian.

>>3019235
describing anything during the civil war as "premeditated" is already suspect
you know it's a shame, we'll probably never have a civil so hilariously clusterfucky again.

>>3019252
Wages are also social construct, they're not natural.

>>3019237
Sure, except this one determines how sure you are whether or not you'll a roof over your head in a week.

>>3019266
Every aspect of society is socially constructed. Hence the name.

>>3019273
Not race.

>>3019278
Race is absolutely socially constructed.

Race isn't genetics, it's taxonomy. Obviously significant generic differences exist between populations, but race lumps populations together based on physical appearance and geography. These genetic differences aren't taken into account at all. This is why we make ridiculous platitudes about the "black race" stretching from Sudan to South Africa, despite the enormous difference in the populations contained therein.

Old school racial definitions of Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid are hardly much better. Not only do many populations like Kazakhs and Indians fall between the cracks, but these categories are based entirely on morphology without respect for genetics.

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>>3019302
>Race is absolutely socially constructed.
I want leftypol out of /his/

>>3019319
>everything is socially constructed except when it's inconvenient for me
cmon

>>3019347
not the same guy

>>3019302
>Race is absolutely socially constructed.
so you're saying that i'm not a white caucasian but i can be a chinese guy?

>>3019302
>Race isn't genetics
What did he mean by this?

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>>3011120

Just imagine how powerful Russia would be today if they hadn't spent so many decades handcuffed by a retarded Bolshevik ideology. The Tsardom wasn't great, but it would have been better than decades of commie bullshit.

>>3012084
they all deserved it

>>3017709
>being this much of a boot-licking monarch-cuck

>>3019998
To be fair, commies fixed a lot of problems of tsarist Russia (like illiteracy), but the price was too high
Meanwhile modern commies in Russia
>muh peasants lived like shit and were treated like slaves
>Lenin fixed that by physically removing peasa-- kulaks as a class

>>3019319
Genetic difference isn't the same as race.

Race are the categories we use to separate humans. They don't map over actual genetic distance at all, because race is based on appearance rather than genetics.

Genetic difference happens on a case-by-case basis, with massive differences between populations of the same race. The majority of human genetic difference between all populations is exhibited among black Africans.

>>3011144
tripdubs don't lie

also this >>3012159
mob rule, never ever

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>>3019988
Genetic distinctions don't correspond to racial categories, which were constructed well before we understood genetics. If you zoom into pic related, you can see how the black race is far broader a category than whites or East Asians.

Two random populations from New Guinea are as genetically distant as Cambodians and Siberians!

>>3018913
Ironically, the only one present who could really be held culpable for the anger that the executioner's felt--that is, the tsar--died instantly because everyone aimed at him. The others, who were each assigned an executioner so they could theoretically be killed with a single shot, were the ones who suffered the most.

Also damn. There will never be a film that accurately displays the horror they went through. I think one of the Russian films attempts to (at least in terms of them trying to protect themselves, I don't think it showed anyone being stabbed--of course the details re: Anastasia and Maria weren't known then because the Soviet archives were still closed) but it's over with very quickly when in reality the execution took about 20-25 minutes.

>>3019246
>Lenin said, after he had been informed of their execution, that without the Romanovs the Whites would lack a flag to rally around.

Source?

>>3019252
>class determines your behavior
>religion does not
loleftism

> Everyone blames commies for death of Nicholas II
> Nobody cares about how Englang cucked him from moving out into London
J U S T

>>3020406
Everyone already knows about the Eternal Anglo.

>>3020394
Class doesn't determine your behavior, it is determined BY behavior.

You can nominally be a Christian. You can't nominally be an industrialist.

>>3019319
Sause?

>>3019319
> muh unsouced graphs prove those negros are subhuman
/pol/acks in the wild.

>>3011120
Because of nostalgia and remorse of killing their royalty

>>3023149
>the graphs literally have source listed below the picture
>unsourced
Nigger literacy level on display right here