>germs break non aggression pact, treacherously attack your

the things he did made him stop feeling emotion long ago

>He could've easily deported most Germans to the Soviet Union to help rebuild what they destroyed, but he didn't.
But he did?

>>2988549
He forced Wehrmacht POWs, Nazis, and other fascists from Hungary and Romania to help rebuild the country. But regular civilians went about their regular life. In contrast, the germs planned to enslave and kill most Slavs and other Soviet nations

>>2988514
Well, the Soviet involvement in the Nuremberg Trials prevented the defendants from effectively raising the "ex post facto law" defense that the Brits and Americans would have had to honor, thereby leading to the execution or imprisonment of almost the entire Nazi leadership in an act of vengeance unprecedented in modern history since the end of the dark ages.

>>2988514
>>they kill your son
didn't he free his son from a concentration camp and then send him to a gulag for violating Article 58 by not dying in battle?

>>2988578
Not OP but yes

>>2988578
No, he refused to a prisoner exchange offered by the Nazis and his son eventually either died on an electric fence trying to escape the concentration camp or was shot by a guard.

>>2988514
Stalin was partly to blame for the expansion of the German war machine. He was on Hitlers side in '39.

Any clemency he showed, which was little was probably out of a sense of guilt more than anything.

>>2988591
Or committed suicide.

>>2988514
>hang the German political elite
>divided up Germany and kept his half under military occupation for over 40 years with a brutal secret police killing anyone who expressed dissent
Yeah, Stalin sure went easy on Germany...

>>2988573
How is executing a dozen war criminals comparable to killing 27 million people in a genocidal war of aggression?

>>2988514
He seems to have only been interested in killing his own country's citizens.

These commie shills are getting more aggressive every day

>>2988578
Then Stalin raped and tortured his own son for days before taking a shit on his dead body. Then he cut him up into little pieces and flushed them down the toilet, just because he was so evil. I'm so glad the Chosen People took out that psycopath on Purim 1953, so that a group of wise old men can finally tackle the real issues facing humanity, like anti-semitism

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>>2988573
>act of vengeance unprecedented in modern history since the end of the dark ages

Bitch please. The German people should be thankful their entire race wasn't utterly exterminated in retaliation for their actions in WW2. Entire tribes were annihilated over far lesser atrocities during the Indian Wars and conquest of Siberia alone.

>>2988623
NazBol pls go

>>2988607
East Germany was better than West Germany. Honestly the modern liberal Germany needs to be nuked.

>>2988514
>>they kill 27 million of your citizens, mostly women and children

Source?

>>2988626
Germany was stupid instead of slavs and jews they should have genocided anglos.

>>2988608
The very concept of "war criminal" was alien to European consciousness before this. It was a basic matter of honor that you never killed the leaders of an enemy country, no matter how much you hated them and how brutal the war had been.

Just look at Napoleon for instance. He was a far more prolific conqueror than Hitler and he was literally given an island to live on in luxury when he lost the war. He eventually came back to try to conquer again, and even then they just sent him back to another island instead of jailing or killing him.

>>2988587
>>2988591
I looked it up and I'm wrong

he just did that to the PoWs that weren't his son

>>2988626
It's the Northern Germans who were (and still are) causing problems. Southern Germans lost.

>>2988641
So why is it bad to kill the leaders? Are you a national leader or a cuck?

>>2988641
Except WW2 wasn't a normal war. It was a total war and Hitler wanted to complete exterminate certain ethnic groups and destroy communism (Commissar order).
It's in no way comparable to Napoleonic conquest.

>>2988630
what a ridiculous and edgy thing to say

>>2988641
Napoleon never advocated genocide, and never killed civilians en masse like Hitler did.

The Nazi attack was unprecedented in its savagery. The leading Nazis openly talked about eradicating the inferior Slavs to make way for German colonists. Hitler was writing about this in Mein Kampf, back in the 1920's.

If Stalin was really as cruel and evil as they say he was, he would've dealt with the Germans the same way the Germans planned to deal with the Slavs.

>>2988514
Stalin was very pragmatic. His goal was to turn the whole Germany into either a neutral country (without American troops) or maybe even a communist outpost.

>>2988667
Democracy and liberalism was a mistake.

>>2988620
More like more desperate. Just point and laugh, retardation is a pre requisite for being a commietard.

It is estimated that hundreds of thousand of ethnic Germans died from forced labor from deportations carried during the war. Needless to say, deportations didn't end with the end of the war. Also, they imposed communism on Germans. Soviet regime was harsh on Germans.

>>2988514
Except the part where he literally took all german industrial capacity brick for brick and assembled it back in the ussr to rebuild his economy

That 27 million death toll is entirely his fault. It could've been a third of that if he hadn't purged the people who actually knew how to fight wars.

>>2988630
>commietards actually believe this

>>2988708
Soviet regime was harsh on everyone.

>It is estimated that hundreds of thousand of ethnic Germans died from forced labor from deportations carried during the war.
Mostly PoWs, and I think Volga Germans were deported somewhere to Kazakhstan.

>>2988514
being part of soviet union is definitely a punishment

>>2988514
>>they kill your son
Didn't the G*rmans offer his son in a prisoner exchange for a Field General? The response from Stalin was something like "I will not trade a major(or whatever rank his son was) for a Field General."

>>2988514
Stalin wanted to round up 20,000 German army officers and have them summary executed and when he mentioned it at Yalta (???) both Roosevelt and Churchill laughed and Churchill thinking that Stalin was joking said something along the lines of "why don't we make it 40,000?"

>>2988641
Napoleon fought defensive wars almost entirely. He was also actually a brilliant general and a very merciful man personally.

Comparing Napoleon to Hitler is an incredible insult to the former.

>>2988716
Germans believe this. Most Germans who lived in the GDR have only good things to say about it. Google "Ostalgie".

>>2988706
>>2988716
I'm actually a fascist. I just realize that western liberalism and democracy is cancer and communism is preferable to it.

>>2988767
Communists and fascists are equally retarded. You should move to China or maybe even North Korea if you hate liberalism and democracy so much.

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>>2988641

>It was a basic matter of honor that you never killed the leaders of an enemy country, no matter how much you hated them and how brutal the war had been.

So people can just do whatever horrible things they can imagine without any consequences?

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>>2988767

>Oh good, we have food, it's such a horrible situation! Wouldn't it be great if somebody just made all the food just....disappear?

>>2988777
China's not bad but I'm not Chinese or atheist. I think we should live in a theocracy like Saudi Arabia or Iran only Christian.

>>2988786
Yet in democracy we have fags and trannies and fat tumblerinas and other shit libs on the internet. None of that was in communist nations.

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>>2988573

Only 24 of the biggest names were put on trial, 10 were put to death. Karl Dönitz who authorized unrestricted submarine warfare was only given 10 years.

Tens of thousands of nazis got away with it, most of them ended up leading the german government post WWII.

>ex post facto law
>everything would've been fine if we got away with it

You know, during the war the krauts killed entire villages of people in France because someone killed a german officer nearby. There wasn't a trial for anyone, only an execution.

Posts like yours remind me of how every smelly fucking kraut (man, woman, child, elderly) alive today got mercy they didn't deserve at the end of WWII.

>>2988794
>most of them ended up leading the german government post WWII
I think you exaggerate a bit.

>>2988793

>None of that was in communist nations.

Neither was food. I like food anon.

>>2988801
There was food. Famines stopped being a problem after 1947.

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>>2988805

>Famines stopped being a problem after 1947.

>>2988813
Epic memes centipede bro! Unironically kill yourself as soon as possible

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>>2988819

Yep, no famines after 1947.....or wait, what's this? A massive famine? After 1947? Preposterous! Just wait till the Politburo hears about this.

>>2988828
Its good to Know Soviet Union is China

>>2988829
>>2988829

Good to know that China wasn't communist during the 1950's and 1960's. OH WAIT IT WAS.

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>>2988767

>I'm actually a fascist.

We were all once 18 and edgy. Then we found a job and moved out of mom and dad's house.

>I just realize that western liberalism and democracy is cancer and communism is preferable to it.

You're misinformed about both, try thinking for yourself for once instead of /pol/.

>>2988796

West German government and yes it was.

https://www.thelocal.de/20161010/most-of-post-war-justice-ministry-were-nazis-study

>West German courts only convicted around 6,650 ex-Nazis
>8.5 million members in the nazi party
>wir gehabt dindhu nuffin ja!
>ze winners may write history but ze losers get to rewrite history

Should've pulled a trail of tears on the krauts and made them walk to siberia, through the ashes of every village and city they destroyed.

>>2988786

Just use your brain a little and you can almost imagine a city being like an island when you're surrounded by pissed off ivans who are expecting you to attempt to break out. After all, kraut kang adolf wouldn't just let them all starve to death in Stalingrad, right?

>>2988828
>he thinks china was part of the soviet union
you're literally retarded. go back to /pol/

>>2988835
It still wasn't Soviet Union. In fact, by 1960s China was considered a bigger threat to the Soviet Union than Western Powers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_split

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>>2988845

The poster that I'm replying to was advocating for communism/fascism in general, not specifically the soviet union. However, the Soviet Union wasn't particular great in that regard either.

>>2988846

You claimed that there were no famines in communist nations. This claim was blatantly false. Nothing more needs to be said.

>>2988850
>he thinks gorbachev's soviet union was communist
lmao

>>2988837
This is all true, but I still doubt most of them ended up leading the German government.
But it's true that some of them became really powerful, for example Hans Globke and Theodor Oberländer .

>>2988858

>Excuses

>>2988854
Famine occured regularly in China and Russia before communism. After 1947 in the USSR and after the GLF in China there were no more famines in China or the USSR.

Meanwhile, in "democratic" capitalist India 70% of children are severely malnourished. In capitalist Africa, famine is an ever-present danger to this day. Malnutrition is even rampant in some parts of America, like Appalachia and the Missisippi delta.

I didn't even mention the tens of millions who died in intentional man-made capitalist famines, like the Irish famine, the Bengali famine, and others. The British oligarchy knowingly starved these regions so they could profit.

Capitalism has starved, tortured, enslaved, and slaughtered over 100 million people since the Industrial revolution.

Stalin didn't really for his own citizens proven by the fact he killed 20 million more Russians without German aid.

>>2988893
>i believe everything people in authority tell me to believe because i'm incapable of independent research and critical thinking

>>2988893
Don't forget Stalin's baby murders, the least known of Stalin's atrocities. My grandma told me Stalin would prawl the streets of Moscow every night, personally knifing every baby that wouldn't utter "Stalin" as its first word. Then he roasted them in a stew while mastubating and laughing maniacally. He force fed the baby stew to the babies' parents - if they refused, he would rape them, torture them, and boil them alive, relishing in the agonizing screams of his victims.

>>2988864

>They didn't end up leading the german government
>except that guy, that other guy, and that guy too, and thousands of others

>>2988514
He didn`t even cared about his son lmao.

Stalin was a weird and fascinating person.

>>2988884

>literally projecting

>>2988893

>proven

Sure it is Fritz.

Don't look at hard numbers that calculate the deaths because it might make your brain explode. Stick to /pol/ infographs with big bolded words.

btw most people who entered the gulag left alive, kraut camps on the other hand...

thanks to world war 2 stalin take over half of europe, he was propably really glad hitler was born

Was Stalin übermensch?

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>>2988670
>Hitler invented genocide, which was never at any point practiced by the allied powers

>>2988858
>no true communism!
Nah, I jest. You're right. Were it true communism the people in that picture would be skin and bones crawling on the floor, desperately trying to reach the shelves only to realise they don't even have the few pieces in that pciture.

>>2989278

I get that english is your second language Fritz, but the fact that krauts exist today is proof that you are actually right.

>genocide which was never at any point practiced by the allied powers

>>2988514
Reminder (Before Molotow-Ribbentrop-Pact):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3223834/Stalin-planned-to-send-a-million-troops-to-stop-Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html

Shortly after Molotow-Ribbentrop-Pact:
Turns out Stalin and the allies had a pact of thier own:

Erkki Hautamäki, “Finnland i stormes öga” – Finnland in the eye of the Storm

http://prokarelia.net/en/?x=artikkeli&article_id=667&author=10

Basically according to Mr. Hautamäki's book:
* On the 15th of October 1939 an agreement was signed between Stalin and Churchill (the allied forces). The core of it was the plan to destroy Germany both militarily and economically. Churchill’s old plan regarding the Scandinavian operation was also accepted.
* When the general courier of Stalin was transporting the strategic war plans from Churchill, the air force of Germany compelled the airplane to land on 9 Feb. 1940. During the examination of the air crew and the passengers, all documents were photographed. Hitler received exact information about the attack plans on several fronts of the allied forces. He thus started a preventive attack plan in Norway. Stalin did not know that the plans had been revealed.

>>2988514
>extract no collective punishment on the germans whatsoever
lol okay no you totally did you lying commie shithead, see: the history of wwii soviet rape in germany, the even-today-fucked-compared-to-the-rest-of-germany state of east germany

lying cunt

>>2988514
Sure is propaganda here.

>>2989303
Fake. Stalin hated the British empire and was genuinely shocked at Hitler's betrayal.

>>2988828
>trying this hard to defend ur brainless Argument
total kraut

>>2989398
Assuming the prokarelia-Article delivers the information portrayed in Mr. Hautamäki's book completely and correctly AND taking it as a starting point in a hypothetical scenario:

How would Stalin have reacted to Hitler's betrayal.

>>2988514
>they kill 27 million of your citizens
Wow they were almost as effective as he was!

>>2989481
Wish anticoms were less retarded so they could at least form coherent segments of thought

>>2988837
So what? Being a member of the NSDAP doesn't equate being a criminal

>>2989759

>Being a member of ISIS doesn't make you a criminal!

#Notallnazis

>>2988623
Spotted the /poltard

>>2988514
Stalin secretly appreciated the lesson the Germans taught his people.

>>2988767
You have to be 18 to post on this website

>>2989799
They don't even bother hiding it. They admit it openly, without a hint of shame. They boast of murdering the man who saved their race from certain extermination.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Purim-miracle-of-1953-483994

>>2988793
>yeah they may have not had food or good living conditions or the right to do anything without being harassed or constantly in fear but at least they didn't have a certain group of people i don't like even though they don't really do much but get laughed at

>>2989853
>he thinks hundreds of millions of people managed to survive without food for more than 80 years

>>2988750
>very merciful man personally
You sure? He could be a massive prick among his colleagues, exiling at the drop of a hat.

>>2988750
he fought a defensive war in Russia?

>>2989886

Napoleon wasn't a saint, but he was certainly no Hitler. When he invaded Russia, he wasn't trying to genocide all Russians, he just wanted to conquer territory.

>>2988514
>this much historical revisionism
The soviets were the harshest against the germans

>>2989886
Russia during that period had a lot of French nobility and intelligentsia coming over in Russia's attempt towards westernisation. However, due to deteriorating international relations, this French minority started getting mistreated and stripped of their rights. The final straw was the June Massacre, in which over 1600 French nobles and intellectuals were rounded up and brutaly murdered by a mob in St. Petersburg. This resulted in Napoleon's decision to invade Russia in order to protect his people.

>>2989799
>disliking Stalin means you're /pol/
Fucking moron. Go back to /leftypol/ and stay there.

>>2989917
apart from the whole genocide thing, he was literally hitler

>>2989932
so the definition of defensive war is meaningless

>>2989296
Weird how jews still exist, i guess the holocaust never happened either

>>2989934
>being this literally retarded
I can't even comprehend how someone can be so insanely retarded. How do you even function in society on a day-to-day basis?

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>>2988626
Which ones?

>>2989940
>Russians invite your people as a show of good will
>decide to start slaughtering them
>you decide to go in and save them
>this somehow isn't a defensive war

>>2989790
Correct, being a party member didn't mean that you were assigned to devouring Jewish babies every Wednesday. Even East Germany had no problem with more than 10% of former NSDAP members in its parliament and ministries.

>>2989917
>he wasn't trying to genocide all Russians
Neither did Hitler

>>2989951
so hitlers invasion of poland was defensive aswell

>>2989972
Yes

>>2989961
>Correct
Incorrect. The NSDAP, like ISIS, was declared a criminal party/organization, meaning membership was/is a criminal offense.

>>2989932
>June Massacre
Never heard of this

>>2989983
>The NSDAP, like ISIS, was declared a criminal party/organization
Wrong.

Nice try though

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>>2989976
good to know that us germans only tried to defend ourselves, and then the eternal anglo started the world war

>>2989987
That's because it's Danzig Massacre tier bullshit.

>>2989969

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan

>>2990014
>falling for Soviet lies

>>2988514
heh I thought you meant actual germs not germans

>>2990014
Not carried out. Furthermore, the purpose of that plan (rather a vague concept) was not to kill Russians, but to export food from the Soviet Union in order to supply Germany and occupied Western Europe.

>>2988514
>create a party for ex-Nazis in the GDR (Socialist Reich)

The Socialist Reich Party existed in West Germany, you're talking about the NDPD, which was forced to conform with the communists anyway.

>>2989664
It is coherent: How would he have reacted, if we assume the Book to tell the truth.

As a starting thought Stalin would have probably thought:
>Oh shit.

But I'm drawing a blank on the rest.

>>2990048
Straight from the Fuhrer's mouth:

"It is inconceivable that a higher people should painfully exist on a soil too narrow for it, while amorphous masses, which contribute nothing to civilization, occupy infinite tracks of a soil that is one of the richest in the world."

"A permanent war on the eastern front will help form a sound race of men... This space in Russia must always be dominated by Germans."

>>2989845
>They boast of murdering the man who saved their race from certain extermination.

Well first of all, IF (if) Stalin was murdered, it was probably done by a fellow Soviet, not by Israel/Mossad, (Yeah, I know, fool doesnt believe in the global Jewish conspiracy, you need to start dropping them redpills)

Secondly, would you point me to the paragraph in the article that admits to assasinating Stalin?

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>>2989969
Seems legit

>>2988796
He' right, after the third reich collapsed there was not one lawyer who hasn't practiced or studied under the nazis, so yes, they were still sitting in almost all the leading positions even after the war.

>>2988786
Can you give me a source on pic related? I've heard about it, but I want to know more.

>>2989869
>He thinks managing to survive is better than live comfortably in a free society next to some weird people

>>2990239
2 weeks before his death, Stalin claimed International Jewry was trying to poison him and other Soviet leaders.

A number of Jewish doctors were arrested on suspicion of being part of this plot.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot

Stalin died on Purim 1953. Purim is the Jewish holiday marking the day when the "anti-semite tyrant" Haman was murdered.

Just a few days later, the doctors were released without charge, despite them having admitted to poisoning Zhdanov, Stalin's hand-picked successor. All documents relating to the case mysteriously disappeared. The "anti-semitic" articles in Pravda, warning about "rootless cosmopolitans" undermining the country from within, stopped immediately.

I doubt there was ever a more transparent assassination attempt in history. The fact that they killed the man who saved them from extermination says a lot about the national character of this particular group of individuals,

>>2988514
>killing women
And this is bad how?

>>2988630
>I'm sitting in Berlin right now

You are an irredeemable fuckwit; in addition to being a commieboo, if you sincerely think life was better in the east than west. They built a fuckin wall over it because one in six people fled east Germany you colossal waste of oxygen and human resources.

>>2990048

>Furthermore, the purpose of that plan (rather a vague concept) was not to kill Russians

How is stealing food a "vague concept"?

>>2990318
>he thinks being raped by banksters daily is "living comfortanly in a free society"

Enjoy your "comfortable" $200,000 student loan debt that even your children's children won't be able to pay off.

Enjoy the "freedom" of having to sell your house and car to pay for healthcare if god forbid you ever get a serious illness.

Enjoy getting shot in the face by one of those "weird people" you live next to when he finally snaps from the soulless brutality of life in capitalist society.

Enjoy dying in agony thousands of miles away from home in a war of aggression vs yet another small third world country so Shlomo Goldmanstein's profit margins can go up 2%.

>>2990324
Nice. Those Jewish doctors sure knew what they were doing. First they warn Iosif fucking Stalin that they are going to murder him, then they ALL get jailed, but somehow manage to slip some poison in his covfefe anyway, and get out scot free afterwards.

They were no doubt the finest group of assasins in history, each and every single one of them deserves a medal for their courage, finesse and resourcefulness.

...
On the other hand the whole thing might be a load of bollocks made up by an increasingly senile and paranoid Stalin to make some more purges and justify him getting rid of Zhdanov, which is said by Wikipedia to have lost favor and destituted by Stalin short before his death.
(I know, Wikipedia, I must be braindead, my bad)

>>2990388
It's always fun watching spoiled American kids ranting about how hard they have it

>>2990399
They didn't warn Stalin about the plot. It was discovered by a Slavic (Ukrainian) cardiologist named Lydia Timashuk. She found documents from the doctors themselves in which they discuss how best to murder Zhdanov.

It's worth noting Zhdanov was the most anti-globalist Soviet politician after Stalin himself. He was warning about the danger of world government before Alex Jones was even born.

>>2990429
>They didn't warn Stalin about the plot. It was discovered by a Slavic (Ukrainian) cardiologist named Lydia Timashuk

Too bad, they got less swag points then.
Still pretty impressive tho

>>2990335
>i know more about life in GDR than people who actually lived in GDR

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>>2988837
Not the anon you're replying to. You and a large portion of the scum in this thread are obviously people with a massive chip on their shoulder towards Germans. You seem to forget that while even the zionist trash that were Churchill and Roosevelt entertained the idea of having an extremely tight control over Germany, they NEVER envisioned the mass murder of German people.

Lets not forget that ethnic Germans are the single largest ethnic group in the US and thus would have never allowed such a horror to befall their kin. Let's also not ignore the fact that most of worlds people have no grudge against the Germans.

And since you cunts despise the Germans so much, why not show equal furor towards the United States? Lets not forget the fact that American involvement in WW1 allowed an Entente victory which sowed the seeds for the quick rise of the far left and far right in Europe.

>Soviets were innocent little babies who never hurt anyone!

So I see lefty/pol/ is once again going to ignore the attrocities of the October Revolution, Civil War, Bolshevik insurrection around much of Eurasia, engineered famines, mass murders, mass enslavement and TWO wars of aggression against Poland and then Finland. Let's also not forget that in the case of the Soviet Invasion of Poland in 1919, there were thousands of GERMAN volunteers fighting for the Poles.

Before anyone asks, yes I am a far right white nationalist. However I can never and will never reconcile the NSDAP's plans for Eastern Europeans. That being said, perhaps I'm being naive here, but maybe they would have shown greater kindness later on. Still, people seem to ignore the fact that the Third Reich had hundreds of thousands of Slavic men and women in uniform.

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>>2988837
>We were all once 18 and edgy. Then we found a job and moved out of mom and dad's house.
>You're misinformed about both, try thinking for yourself for once instead of /pol/.

Try taking your own advice, my man. I use to be middle of road like you until I experienced the world through my own senses instead letting my view be determined by self loathing white trash. Or even worse: Anglo-Americans.

He probably killed more of his own citizens in WWII than Germany did.

>>2990531
>The global media is in the hands of the perpetrators of Bolshevik attrocities
*tips tinfoil hat*

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>>2990526
These are the people I'm speaking to, you fuckwit. They surround me in the cafe as I post. I am not pretending to have lived in the GDR. Berliners have no love for the communist regime. As an overwhelming whole from about ten responses I've got from people my own age who lived in East Germany, free eduction and guarantee of employment was nice but there was no future and the regime was utter; absolute.

It disgusts me that you accuse others of LARPing when you yourself have a hardon for a regime that literally shot people for trying to leave and answered dissent with tanks. Can you fuck off back to your armchair and high school, you pithy fucking American child?

>>2990574
Der Spiegel: "Majority of Eastern Germans feel life was better during communism"

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-dictatorship-majority-of-eastern-germans-feel-life-better-under-communism-a-634122.html

It disgusts me even more that you have a hard-on for a global regime (imperialist capitalism) that's killed over 100 million people, and is still killing people every day in Yemen, Syria, and all around the world.

>>2990574
Why would Germans share their honest thoughts about the GDR with some shitstain Anglo tourist who would undoubtedly judge them negatively for saying good things about it?

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>>2990604
It's not morally consistent to rebel against injustices commited by west only for you to turn around and endorse a state capitalist regime that practiced forced adoptions and massacred people for trying to leave.

>>2990620
It was by far the lesser evil. A perfect society has never existed, and probably never will

>>2990604
As wonderfully smart a retort as repeating what I said to you back to me is ("NO YOU!!!"), unlike you I have no love for the system you described, and I never said I did either. Your assertion that life under a communist regime is desirable is false in all my experience of meeting and speaking with German people who were old enough to live in the GDR.

Fuck man, I've never even met a single person that says they miss the old days, outside of a couple of embittered people talking about immigrants and how hard it is to get a job, and I can be reasonably safe in assuming that they do not desire a return to being in fear of being reported by the Stasi daily. This is even, verbatim, a fucking paragraph within the article you linked me; the whole article itself is about how certain things were nice about east Germany but things weren't perfect. The article's titular 'poll' says explicitly that Germans 'defended' the GDR. It also says 49% acknowledge problems existed, but things were good. Am I to believe those people are not gut reactionaries, the sort of people who lust for the old times and see hindsight and view the perfectly apparent past through the current climate of uncertainty?

Der Spiegel, mien freund, is a newspaper. Its title neither reflects the content of the story and the fact (poll) within are not discussed in detail but left in generously ambiguous terms that the most amount could agree with; simply so they can build a story.

>t. Student of Journalism

>>2988794
Donitz did literally nothing wrong.

>>2989004
Kinda. He did almost cost the Soviets the war when they should have easily crushed Germany.

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>>2990676
Trying to achieve the "end of history" (i.e.communism) via such a nihilistic attitude can only lead to failure

>>2990706
Nihilistic "end of history" = Francis Fukuyama neoliberalism, not communism

>>2990604
Nostalgia for old days when people were young.

>>2988641
>The very concept of "war criminal" was alien to European consciousness before this
This is totally false. War crimes had been recognized in international law for fifty years by that point.

>>2988828
I hate tankies but you are massively moving the goalpost.

>>2990531
>Let's also not forget that in the case of the Soviet Invasion of Poland in 1919, there were thousands of GERMAN volunteers fighting for the Poles.
lol wut?

>Poland also suffered setbacks due to sabotage and delays in deliveries of war supplies, when workers in Czechoslovakia and Germany refused to transit such materials to Poland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_Uprisings

Most of them were fighting against Poles and were very happy from bolshevik victories.

>>2989983
The SS the military wing of the nazi party was declared a criminal organization if you joined prior to like 1942 when they enacted forced conscription for the SS.

>>2990572
Solzhenitsyn was somewhat of a nutcase, the guy invented stuff and said something like 100 million were killed, in his last days he actually believed that the best was the return of a Slavic orthodox Zarist-like theocracy.

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>>2990723
If the road to communism is paved in a never ending stream of dead bodies (primarily of the working class mind you) rebellion, as an affirmation of universal human dignity, becomes self-contradictory. You prefer "we are" to "we shall be" and that is just as nihilistic as any pure capitalist doctrine.

>>2990170
Cool, but it says nothing about genocide. Hitler did advocate settler colonialism, though.

>>2990758
Except in reality, the road to communism was paved with unprecedented improvements in the living standards of hundreds of millions of people.

Despite Mao's failure to industriaize the country, China before Mao was infinitely worse. Most of the population was enslaved to landlords, who treated their subjects with extreme cruelty. Communism brought mass literacy, liberation of women, liberation from centuries-old feudal brutality and exploitation.

Before the October revolution, the same was largely true of Russia. 70% of the population was living in medieval conditions, with no access to education, healthcare, or social mobility. First Lenin's anti-illiteracy campaign, and then Stalin's industrialization modernized the country at breakneck speed. Thousands of schools, clinics, and universities were built all across the country. Tens of millions of people who came from humble (mostly peasant) backgrounds took the opportunity to study and move upwards in society - something unimaginable in Tsarist Russia.

To this day, despite the deluge of propaganda leveled against Mao and Stalin, they are still loved and revered in their home countries. How do you explain that?

>>2990758
>Stalin the only one smiling
Cheeky cunt. Who knows what he was thinking.

>>2988514
>Stalin was an underrated tactical genius

I know.

>>2990764
"Permanent war" doesn't sound genocidal to you? Permanent means it would continue even after the Soviet state and Red Army was destroyed. Against whom would they wage permanent war if not the civilian population?

>>2990818
>How do you explain that?
Stockholm syndrome.

>Except in reality, the road to communism...
Everything you mentioned is social democracy with guns.

>>2990818
>communism was paved with unprecedented improvements in the living standards of hundreds of millions of people.
Nobody is arguin that. I mean death really is a more preferable fate than "life" under the oppressive, savage rule of the subhuman ruskie.

>>2990832
>Permanent means it would continue even after the Soviet state and Red Army was destroyed
No it doesn't.

>>2990818
If Russia was illiterate before communism, why did Dostoevsky depict peasants reading the bible?

>>2990764
What about this?

>The war can only be continued if the whole Wehrmacht is fed out of Russia in the 3rd war year.
>Due to this umpteen million people will doubtlessly starve to death when we take what is necessary for us out of the land.

Or this?
>From all this there follows that the German administration in these regions may well attempt to milder the consequences of the famine that will doubtlessly occur and accelerate the naturalization process. It can be attempted to cultivate these areas more extensively in the sense of an extension of the area for cultivating potatoes and other high yield fruits important for consuming. This will not stop the famine, however. Many tens of millions of people will become superfluous in this area and will die or have to emigrate to Siberia. Attempts to save the population from starvation death by using excesses from the black earth zone can only be made at the expense of the supply of Europe. They hinder Germany’s capacity to hold out in the war, they hinder the blockade resistance of Germany and Europe. This must be absolutely clear.

Or this:
>Non-working prisoners of war in the prisoner camps are to starve to death.
Working prisoners of war can in individual cases also be fed out of army supplies. Given the general food situation this cannot be generally ordered, however.
The food supply situation at Army Group Center is currently such that immediate help cannot be provided.

>>2990882
This is also interesting.

>The issue of feeding the civilian population is catastrophic. In order to achieve a result at all there must be made a classification. It is clear that within this classification the troops and their needs occupy the uppermost rank. The population can only be granted an existence minimum. The situation in the countryside will still be fairly bearable. The feeding of the great cities can however not be solved. There can be no doubt that especially Leningrad must starve to death, because it is impossible to feed this city. The task of the leadership can thus only be to keep the troops away from this and from the phenomena related hereto.

>>2988828
lmao you are actually retarded, china = Soviet Union

>>2988514
>want to correct some misconceptions about the Eastern Bloc
>a literal Stalinists come defending their genocidal idol
WTF is this board?

Stalin was GOAT, fuck the haters.

Shame Russians are untermensch. If Stalin had been leading a European nation he would be revered.

>>2990818

>Despite Mao's failure to industriaize the country

Lol. He didn't just "fail" to industrialize. He completely brought progress to a screeching halt. His policies caused mass starvation on an unprecedented scale.

>>2990904

He specifically said that there were no famines in communist nations after 1947.

>>2990882
Not genocide since the purpose of the Backe plan (that was not carried out) was not to kill Russians, it was a side effect of the need to supply Germany/Western Europe with Soviet food.

>>2990935
t. Bosho Kakalidze

>>2991272

>the purpose of the Backe plan was not to kill Russians

Lol, what bullshit is this?

>>2990875
Because he was a fiction writer

>>2990990
Between 1949 and 1975, life expectancy in China doubled - from 32 to 65 years.

Literacy went from around 15% to over 70% during that same period.

No capitalist country has ever come close to beating these figures. Unlike communism, capitalism has only decreases life expectancy whever it was introduced - for example, during Yeltsin Russia's life expectancy fell by 10 years.

>>2991325

Okay, and what happened during the years of 1958 - 1962?

>>2989886
>what is a preemptive strike

>>2991337

What happened in 1929 through to 1939?

>>2991415

Bad comparison. Nobody died because of the Great Depression. Yeah, it sucked, but it wasn't like millions of people were dying in the streets because of forced collectivization.

>>2991280
Have any arguments?

>>2991660

The fact that literally every source about the plan says that it was intended to kill 20 - 30 million people. You will not find any reputable source that disputes this.

>>2991701

Except that it was not the PURPOSE of the plan but one of the foreseen effects. He even goes on about for a bit how to alleviate the famine (potato cultivation, etc). It's also why many scholars disagree with calling Backe's draft the 'Hunger Plan'.

>>2988514
the USSR got big reparations from the GDR

>>2991752
They knew their actions would lead to mass starvation and that 20-30 million of people will die. It doesn't matter if it was their goal.

>>2991792

>intentions don't matter

Actually, that's pretty much what makes a genocide a genocide. For the same reason, the Holodohoax should not be considered a genocide, even though it was still terrible.

Perhaps Churchill also knew that hundreds of thousands or millions would die in Bengal because he declined Australia's offer to deliver food in favor of replenishing Britain's already well filled stockpile; doesn't make it a genocide though.

>>2991880

>It's not genocide, it was mass murder!

Wow, that's so much better! Oh, wait, it isn't.

>>2991880
Knowing that your policies will result in mass starvation is a genocide.

They could have easily prevented this. All this death and starvation in Leningrad is also their responsibility.

>When we shoot the Jews to death, allow the POWs to die, expose considerable portions of the urban population to starvation and in the upcoming year also lose a part of the rural population to hunger, the question remains to be answered: who is actually supposed to produce economic values?
>Armaments Inspector for the Ukraine, Hans Leykauf, 2 December 1941

Look how they weren't even thinking about human cost, but all that mattered to them was economic calculations.

>>2988736
>(???)
What did he mean by this?

>>2989296
>america is an allied power
>genocided the american indians
>andrew jackson literally the inspiration for hitler
>never at any pointed practiced

You dont have to succeed utterly to be considered genocidal, nobody ever has.

Furthermore the jews themselves practiced genocide plenty. Theres a couple in the bible if I remember correctly, moses genocided anyone who wouldnt follow judaism and the jews perpetrated a couple genocides during their revolts from Roman rule. Rome itself practiced genocide on some unlucky horse tribes, lots of people have done it.

>>2991952

Let's keep in mind that the Backe plan or Hunger Plan was not carried out in the envisioned form. What was actually done was the requisition of foodstuff for the German army stationed in the East and to a smaller degree for import to Germany.

>They could have easily prevented this.

Yeah, at the cost of not being able to fully supply their own troops and their people at home.

On a side note, the Soviets perhaps also knew that their scorched earth policy in 1941 would lead to mass starvation. They did it anyway because it was deemed necessary to win the war. Genocide?

>All this death and starvation in Leningrad is also their responsibility.

It was pretty normal to not allow the shipment of food into a besieged zone, you know

>>2989934
He didnt dislike Stalin, his post was facetious

>>2992060
>was not carried out in the envisioned form
Because they lost.
>What was actually done was the requisition of foodstuff for the German army stationed in the East and to a smaller degree for import to Germany.
What was done was brutal exploitation of conquered territories that resulted in mass starvation. It's no wonder that people who initially welcomed the Nazis as liberators soon joined various partisan groups or the Red Army.

>It was pretty normal to not allow the shipment of food into a besieged zone
It was only besieged because they weren't planning to take it. They wanted to starve its population.

>>2988571
After those regular civilians were thoroughly plundered and raped by Red Army soldiers of course

>>2988514
I am Russian and I miss border with Germany

>>2989886
Napoleon would have abolished serfdom and installed his Civil Code in Russia

>>2988514
He was truly too pure for this base earth. RIP in Piece Stalin-kun.

>>2991962

>andrew jackson and the indians!!!!
>whataboutism

You krauts and commies have more in common than you'd like to admit.

>You dont have to succeed utterly to be considered genocidal, nobody ever has.

Pretty sure when you openly declare the elimination of all subhumans, you're allowed to call them genocidal.

>Furthermore the jews themselves practiced genocide plenty. Theres a couple in the bible if I remember correctly, moses genocided anyone who wouldnt follow judaism and the jews perpetrated a couple genocides during their revolts from Roman rule. Rome itself practiced genocide on some unlucky horse tribes, lots of people have done it.

This is an excuse children use when they get caught, you're truly pathetic.

>>2992124

>It was only besieged because they weren't planning to take it.

The Wehrmacht could not advance further. If they could, they would have encircled the complete city instead of leaving Leningrad's hinterland (on which some food could be grown) and the connection via lake Lagoda to the defenders of the city.

It's true that there were plans to not accept a capitulation but in the end this is just a hypothetical war crime as the city did not surrender.

>They wanted to starve its population.

First and foremost, they weren't willing to divert scarce food reserves to the millions of inhabitants. The Germans would have preferred it if the population was evacuated to Soviet-controlled territory.

>>2992255
im actually american and you need to learn reading comprehension you absolute retard, Im also not a nazi at all, youre just lashing out because of the guy you were talking to previously, and also you didnt make any points whatsoever so there isnt even anything to respond to.

What a retarded post you win the retard award for the day

>>2988666
All wars are normal wars. At the end of the day, they are a battle for competition between two forces.
>>2988670
>exterminate ethnic groups
Well, if the conspiracy of destroying all the evidence left behind (how convenient, only to have them surface decades after the war), can you cite me a single report that claims to have excavated and analyzed the millions of corpses?
>>2988750
Didn't the Brits and French declare war on Germany?
Then when war stretches on, decency breaks down (except when double standards are put in place...)
>>2989886
>>2991395
>>2989917
Look at that backtrack. If this isn't a double standard, I don't know what is.
>>2991792
Define genocide. Negligence defined to be genocide. There has to be willful intent.

>>2988884
>After communism was established (1920 ~ 1940), they we're no famines
>Capitalism is to blame of "Capitalist" shitholes where there's no free market and state of rights
> Famines like the Bengal Famine was man-made by evil capitalists.

Can you give me a bit of the crack you're using? Seems good.

>>2989917
>When he invaded Russia, he wasn't trying to genocide all Russians
Neither was Hitler.

>>2990170
>quoting the Table Talk forgeries
Kill yourself.

>>2992332
When there is so much to say about whether or not these documents or talks are legitimate or not, one would think the sure-fire way to substantiate them would be to locate exactly what the assertion is in order to prove it. So, if a document is talking about massive loss of life or a sad picture of dying people in mass graves, would it not be wise to locate and exhume the corpses to put the issue to rest?

>>2992344
The GP Ost was never carried out even according to the (((investigators))), according to them it literally never happened as it was just an unsigned draft of a plan used by the Soviets as a boogeyman for the Eastern Europeans. So, no corpses.

>>2992354
That's a genetic fallacy. The source of the information doesn't determine the truth. Just because 'x' said so does not make it truth. Today, they assign the documents under German name, so therefore that means that everything within the documents is substantiated and anybody who asks to actually find, say, mass graves, is 'insert insult here'.
Even if the Soviets say it occurred, it isn't just wrong because they say so. I know, but even the Soviets, or the Germans, or anybody can be right. The only thing that matters is if the claim is truthful. Where are the millions of bodies? The conspiracy that the Germans conspired to commit this act, then removed all the evidence, is an unfalsifiable claim. You literally cannot prove it wrong without stooping to a fallacious level of committing the same fallacies (assuming anecdotes are objective). Even if the conspiracy to remove all evidence holds true, not all the bodies were lost. Even assuming 80% were removed, that's still millions left around.
There is a difference between post-war agencies that tally the deceased and excavate the corpses versus the sheer lack of interest in analyzing the corpses for this action.

>>2992375
The source of the information says it never happened you dumb fuck. That's what I was saying. It was just an unsigned plan. Are you actually reading my posts?

>>2992313

>Define genocide. Negligence defined to be genocide. There has to be willful intent.

Lol, and who was forcing the Nazis to steal food? Nobody. It was their idea. Definitely willful intent on their part.

>>2992392
Ah, I did not read that.
>>2992397
Wartime effort calls for the allocation of resources. There is a difference of pragmatism and wanton malice. The latter is genocidal.

>>2992392

The Wehrmacht was massacring Russian villages at every possible opportunity. They were stealing food, and forcing people to starve to death. The plan was being actively put into action.

>>2992406

Semetics. Mass murder is mass murder. Call it whatever you like. The entire world already knows of Hitler's diabolical evil.

>>2992418
Lol, it's semantics. But that's a good joke, my man. Semantics would be arguing over homonyms and how to interpret them: a pedantic and non-productive back-and-forth. We are defining terms. The US embargo on the Japanese would be deemed genocidal towards their war effort, as it decimated it. They are imposing conditions under which the likelihood of survival would be greatly diminished, pushing them into a corner of surrender, followed by...
>The entire world already knows of Hitler's diabolical evil.
Appealing to the status quo. The Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't true just because there's a piece of paper saying so or just because lots of people believe in it.

>>2992434

More nonsense. Hitler's plan for Russia was pure evil no matter what you call it. I will not be dragged into a semetic argument. The world already knows that Hitler was a genocidal monster.

>>2992439
>I don't want to defend my points and discuss issues with other people because I have already convinced myself of the truth by virtue of the fact that my beliefs are aligned with the beliefs the status quo also hold
Not very open-minded, anon...

>>2992414
No, it wasn't. Even the kangaroo court at Nuremberg asserted it was only a draft and never something in action, you're literally chucking shit at the wall and seeing what sticks since you lack actual historical knowledge.

>>2992439
>will not be dragged into a semetic argument.
Nobody should desu.

>>2992447

Why should I be open-minded to a neo-Nazi apologist? Your lies do not impress me.

>>2992458
You don't really have any basis to argue a point if you just insult the other person.

>>2992453

So then why did the Wehrmacht commit so many atrocities? Why kill so many innocent people? It was obviously part of the plan otherwise why would they behave like that?

>>2992465

Liars such as yourself definitely deserve to be insulted.

>>2992480
Let me know when you want to defend a point you have.
>>2992467
There's a difference between willingly killing people for no other reason than Jews, gypsy, etc., versus wartime losses. Nobody is saying they are innocent, it's just this meme of baby-eating, cold-blooded killers. People die in a war. There is a difference between executing partisans or POWs versus finding them to just kill them, full stop. The intention is the factor separating them, mainly. Especially if you claim it was some part of a huge conspiracy to kill them all because fuck them, then to hide all the evidence (which cannot be supported).

>>2992500

Let me know when you have an argument. So far you've given us nothing but lies. Typical for a neo-Nazi apologist.

>>2992509
>Let me know when you have an argument
Ah, befitting of a man ready to present his point.
>liar liar liar
>nazi nazi nazi
Hmmm...

>>2992439
>I will not be dragged into a semetic argument.
*semitic

>>2992467
Because it was a war, so shit like that happens. Do you think the Americans had a comprehensive plan to exterminate the Vietnamese race just because shit like My Lai happened?

>>2992517

Lol, is this the new Neo-Nazi tactic? False equivalence? Pathetic. Mai Lai was an isolated incident. Whereas the Nazis massacred Russian villages consistently as a matter of policy. They even had a special branch of the military known as the einsatzgruppen which was specifically tasked with carrying out mass murders.

>>2992528
>Mai Lai was an isolated incident
t. Yank
Was agent Orange and bombing the absolute fuck out of North Vietnamese civilians also an isolated incident? It's what happens during wars.

>>2992528
#NOTALLWARCRIMES

>>2992528
And most people in einsatzgruppen were Ukrainian and Russian auxiliaries. So you're essentially claiming they genocided themselves.

>>2992541

>And most people in einsatzgruppen were Ukrainian and Russian auxiliaries

This is so stupid I'm not even going to address it.

>>2992536
>>2992538

Okay, I guess you found 1 incident where the U.S. did something that was dishonorable. Not sure what that has to do with the eastern front of WW2, but hey, I guess you "win" if your point was to say that the U.S. is slightly less than perfect.

>>2992620
>US dindu nuffin other than one incident
>I won't respond to you because ur stoopid
You sure are a mature debater. No seriously, if you don't have anything to say then fuck off, American child.

>>2992620
The point is to show the double standard and how there are no "moral wars". War has no rules, sorry to let you know. Just because Geneva convention applies arbitrary "human rights" limitations does not make it so. The scale of the matter is also relevant, too. Had the conflict involved as many troops/nations and pinned the US in a corner, the "high road morals" would soon be forgotten.

>>2992637

Lol, that's rich coming from a neo-Nazi apologist. You didn't come here to "debate." You came here to spread neo-Nazi propaganda. Your lies do not impress me.

>>2992639

Germany shouldn't have signed the Geneva conventions if they no intention of following them. Sorry cupcake, but if you sign a treaty, you gotta stick to it.

>>2992689
Kill yourself.

>more than half of soviet pows die in german capitivity
>less than 5 percent british and american pows die
>t-these things happen in war i-it was just an accident!

>>2992700

You mean like Hitler did? Lol, what a loser. A real man would have had the courage to face trial for his crimes. At very least, he could have surrendered sooner and spared Germany from being invaded.

>>2992709
>all your allies are too occupied to come to your aid
>superpowers are invading from both sides
>let's divert resources to POWs
>hey why didn't you further cripple yourselves so we can invade easier

>>2992689
>>2992718
I appreciate what you're doing here.

I can't be assed to do it myself, but please keep up the good work.

>>2992778
Yeah, somebody needs to bash the fash, these anti-Semitic assholes are on the wrong side of history and they don't even realize it.

>>2992788
Wherever there is a faggot who gets angry at the internet, there must be a dedicated soul seeking to bring them to truth.

>>2992788

Well, I mean, you're devoting a lot of energy into spreading propaganda for a regime that was destroyed in 1945. You kinda objectively are on the "wrong side of history."

I got about 75% through reading this thread before it gave me a debilitating headache. We've got people defending Stalin on the indefensible and trying to argue semantics on whether the Nazis committed genocide.
Fuck this

>2992788 #

Shut the fuck up kike lover

>>2991469
Was Mein Kampf also a hoax? In Chapter 14 he again brings up the racial inferiority of Slavs, the need for lebensraum in the East, and the unfeasibility of a German-Soviet alliance (something many Nazis, incl Ribbentrop, the Strasserites, most of the diplomatic staff, and others strongly supported).

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch14.html

>>2992970

I'm not sure how that relates to my comment, so I think you may have accidentally replied to the wrong post.

>>2992989
Yeah I meant to reply to
>>2992332

>>2993354
So why would he associate with, in any way, with Piłsudski? Why even attend his funeral if he isn't alive anymore for him to make an impression? The issue was more to do with the Slavic adoption of Bolshevism.

>>2990531

>Lets not forget that ethnic Germans are the single largest ethnic group in the US

i.e. they've become Americans and can't understand that worthless krautspeak anymore.

>So I see lefty/pol/

wtf is lefty/pol/?

>ignore the attrocities of the October Revolution, Civil War, Bolshevik insurrection around much of Eurasia, engineered famines, mass murders, mass enslavement and TWO wars of aggression against Poland and then Finland.

Stop trying to change the subject you smelly kraut, you're literally trying to whataboutism you're way out of the discussion just like the communists you claim to be different from.

>Before anyone asks, yes I am a far right white nationalist.
>That being said, perhaps I'm being naive here

Well aren't you glad the internet allows you to express your unique opinions? :)

>but maybe they would have shown greater kindness later on.

>Offica i swear i dindhu gehaben nuffin ja, i wuz gonna do g00d things with that white girl pussy, like send her to school und sheisse!!!

I think I understand your language now Fritz.

>>2993379
>language=ethnicity
Really activates those almonds...

>>2990537

Try taking your own advice, my man. I use to be middle of road like you until I experienced the world through my own senses instead letting my view be determined by self loathing white trash. Or even worse: /his/ posters.

>>2992289

>im actually american

I really doubt it.

>you need to learn reading comprehension you absolute retard

child, just because you get a response you don't like to your shitty opinion, doesn't mean those reading your shitty opinion have poor reading comprehension.

>>2993383

Inside every subhuman foreigner is an American waiting to break free.

>>2993398
I'm an Israeli-American. Want to rethink that bigoted statement?

>>2992255
Your argument wad literally "nobody has ever done such a thing before in history", you don't get to complain about whataboutism you absolute mouthbreathing retard.

>>2992313
>Define genocide. Negligence defined to be genocide. There has to be willful intent.
They expected that 20-30 million people will starve if they carry out their policies. How the fuck is this not a genocide?
The goal was simple. Extract everything useful from conquered territories and let the population die out.

>From all this there follows that the German administration in these regions may well attempt to milder the consequences of the famine that will doubtlessly occur and accelerate the naturalization process. It can be attempted to cultivate these areas more extensively in the sense of an extension of the area for cultivating potatoes and other high yield fruits important for consuming. This will not stop the famine, however. Many tens of millions of people will become superfluous in this area and will die or have to emigrate to Siberia. Attempts to save the population from starvation death by using excesses from the black earth zone can only be made at the expense of the supply of Europe. They hinder Germany’s capacity to hold out in the war, they hinder the blockade resistance of Germany and Europe. This must be absolutely clear.
The intent is clear. It was possible to feed the population, but it would put a strain on German food supply and German economy.
Leningrad is a perfect example of the hunger plan being carried out.

>>2993471
>but it would put a strain on German food supply and German economy.
So, pragmatism. Feeding POWs isn't really necessary, sorry. Vae victis, so to speak. That's kind of the point of a siege. You either protect your people or you don't. That's why I don't complain when the mighty conquer the weak just as I don't complain when the Allies won. They won because they were mighty, and what followed is irrelevant because the conquered have no say. It seems that there was purpose related to military efforts, not to go in and kill specifically the citizens. An unfortunate, but advantageous, side effect, kind of like the rapes that occurred. That's war and the mighty write the rules. It wasn't an overt policy, but it is an advantageous side effect (psychologically speaking).

>>2993372
Plisudski is a literal meme, but Slavic countries were in the Axis.

>>2993401

Fight me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQnVluC2kEI

>>2993540
Even the Germans weren't retarded enough to think they can conquer Europe without allies.

>>2988573
Stop I can only get so erect at the thought of autistic krauts getting whats coming to them

>>2988623
The cry of retardation and never having a gf

>>2993832
You jews are unable to fuck a woman unless you pay for it, so look in the mirror first.

>>2993494

>Feeding POWs isn't really necessary

The Geneva conventions says otherwise.

>>2995596
>it's written on paper, follow it
>muh human rights
okay big boy

>>2996665
>agree to do something
>whine when people hold you to your word

Insidious, petty, presumptious...

>>2996710
Point is that war has no rules and trying to impose limitations on a losing army is about as useful as playing chess with a starving hyena.

>>2996723
>group a hurts group b
>group c gains power over group a, after group a fucks with them
>group c shouldn't hold group a responsible for what they did to group b

They have mistaken kindness for weakness yet again

>>2996736
That's not what I said. My point is that he who has might can hold those accountable. Vae victis. See how far you'll get setting conditions for your loss. That's why it was unconditional surrender. In fact, you can even exert dominance and punishment on crimes that are over exaggerated.

>>2996747
Some justice is better than no justice.

Also, it gives people an incentive not to massacre people, if it's the difference between a comfy retiring home and a noose.

Unfortunately, modern day Europeans are cucks, so when they catch some guy who murdered a thousand villagers they give him 15 years, after a 20 year long legal process, and then they let him out after 5 or 6 because he's sick.

>>2996754
>Some justice is better than no justice.
Again, missing my point. It isn't about anything, it's about if I can kill you and make you submit. Literally nothing else matters. The eternal struggle doesn't really care a lot about how you might feel afterwards, you won't be around.
>and a noose.
Now you're speaking my language, guy.
>so when they catch some guy who murdered a thousand villagers they give him 15 years, after a 20 year long legal process
Law follows the same paradigm.

>>2996764
>It isn't about anything, it's about if I can kill you and make you submit

There's a subtle difference.

It's a way of discrediting people morally, by dishonoring them publicly and with the maximum possible level of credibility.

People forget this aspect of the justice system, a trial is a socially agreed upon way of determining somebody's honor.

Also, we need to put the Japanese in charge of war crimes trials. Both for the irony, and because they seem to be pretty good at getting people on death row before they die of old age.

>>2996710
>agree to do something
Who are you talking about? Hitler? The German people by way of referendum?

>>2988514
14 million Germans were deported from Czehslovakia, Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia and Romania. Most of them had nothing to do with Germany, or the Nazis, they were just used for spacegoating.
What is that if not collective punishment?

Stalin wasn't such a harsh guy.

He was a bad reputation because of Holodomor and the Great Purge, but ultimately the causes for doing the things he did were more justifiable than the absurd war the Nazis waged against the Soviet Union.

Now of course, history is written by the victors, but it has always been the rule of teh strong that determined great struggles, the treatment of Germany post-war, was more of one of pragmatism, and pragmatism always outweighs emotion.

>>2999045

The Germans in Czechoslovakia and Poland were deported by the Czechs and Polish themselves, who had greatly suffered under the Germans. The Soviet Union did not centrally organise these deportations .

>>2999077
#NOTALLGERMANS

>>2999077

Not to mention existing German populations were used to justify annexation of the Sudetenland and the invasion of Poland. The Czech and Polish governments wanted all Germans gone to remove any possibility of a repeat.

>>2999445
Blood and soil, mein negger.

>>2988626
>Always the Jew namefagging as Nathan Bedford Forrest
I see you, scum. Better have a plan to make aliyah.

>>2988783
Acting in the best interests of the state is an understood principle. Retaliation for perceived evil of the invading country is what justifies groups like Hamas and Hezbollah

>>2988514
He wanted to have the eastern germans, bulgarians, hungarians and romanians as loyal warpact allies. No use beating the shit out of an already beaten enemy when you're gonna need their help in the ensuing cold war. Also, I doubt stalin had enough of an attachment to his people to honestly care about the germans killing so many of them.