Hell: >"Hey, could you pass me the sandpaper toiletpaper,

>stallin and ghandi
>hell
>mussollini and lincoln
>heaven

>>2974663
I don't see anything disproportionate about this.

>>2974712
Christian doctrine makes it clear that killing is wrong

>Stalin intentionally ordered the deaths of large numbers of people
>Is atheist so goes to hell

>Gandhi didn't directly kill anyone and was devoted to non-aggression on a personal scale
>Is Hindu so goes to hell

>>2974697
>First two weren't christian

>Other two are

Your point?

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>>2974663
>he thinks people are polite and cooperate with each other in hell

>>2974758
>"Pass the fucking sandpaper Stalin!"
>"EAT SHIT GANDHI!"

>>2974761
wonder if there are streets to shit in hell

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>>2974761
see? sounds more realistic now

>>2974768>>2974770


Why do you think Gandhi is asking for sandpaper?

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>>2974773
as punishment

>>2974770
Damn, that's a lot of butthurt in one image

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>>2974794

>>2974663
hell version is accurate, but heaven isn't quite. You don't get a heaven pass just for being christian. And you certainly don't go to heaven if you emancipate niggers.

>>2974663
>Catholic Church Lore
Nigga, it's time to become a christian

>>2974823
But that's the general protestant lore.

Catholic lore is you have time to change in purgatory before you're judged.

>>2974813
That's what I'm saying m8. You just keep on DOOSVULTing with your heretical nonsense.

>>2974837
Purgatory was retconned out of existence.

However no one was refunded for their indulgences.

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>>2974849
>Purgatory and indulgences were the first kickstarter scam

>>2974837
So protestants think Mussolini, the commie who basically gave the catholic church another life, is going to heaven? Damn, they always surprise me

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>>2974860
A lot of non-catholic Christians in the US (at least, almost every single baptist, Episcopalian, Mormon, and Methodist I know) believe that a belief in christ is literally a free pass on judgement day regardless of actions.

>>2974868
>Mormon
I'm not even Christian and I know those guys aren't Christian

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>>2974663
I fail to see anything wrong with this. As for your closing statement, what do you mean by "disproportionate"?

>>2974897
>>2974730

>>2974882
Mormons technically self-identify as christians.

>>2974897
Amount of sin does not matter, all that matters is belief in some jew who was executed by the romans.

>>2974905
They may but their beliefs are just about as congruent with mainstream Christianity as Islam

>>2974905
Amount of unrepent sin does matter, and if you believe in Christ you better repent. Also Jews killed Christ, not the romans, you fucking retard.

>>2974918
>Jews killed Christ, not the romans
>Because there was no roman authority that executed christ the jews themselves strapped him to that cross

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>>2974932
>His blood be on us, and on our children.

>>2974938
I looked up the video and the subtitles are a very clear parody.

>>2974813
Mad about what? Your delusions? I just find them laughable and pitiful in equal measure.

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>>2974968
The synagogue of Satan will always mock the Son of God.

>>2974663
>mussolini, a man who sided with a genocidal maniac and killed fellow christian greeks, albanians and ethiopians
>going to heaven

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>>2974903
>>2974905
You're thinking of Christianity in karmic terms, where sin and good deeds should be punished and rewarded proportionately. But rejection of God is what it is, and it sucks equally for the worst and best of us.

>>2975017
But if god truly loves us all, he wouldn't be damning 5 billion people currently alive to hell,

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>>2975021
He loves them by giving them what they choose.

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>>2975021
He doesn't "damn" them to Hell, he lets them choose to either accept him or reject him. He's not going to force someone who doesn't want to be with him to do so. It just so happens that a world without God is very unpleasant.

>>2975034
>Pick a door, any door.
>Each door will punish you for not picking it. But only one will actually punish you in the end. Good luck.

If god loved me why would he bestow me with logic that leads to the conclusion that he can't exist in an omnibenevolent form and still exercise the use of hell?

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>>2975046
He bestowed you with a will and you're choosing to put your faith in your own understanding rather than in Him.

>>2975065
He bestowed people with will knowing that a majority of them would not choose the good path because of it? Again, 5 billion people. If he really loved us all he wouldn't choose the option leading to the majority of us being damned.

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>>2975077
That is simply your understanding of the situation.

>>2975080
>"Derp god works in mysterious ways"

That's not an argument.

This goes back to the whole "why give me logic" argument.

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>>2975077
Who said this wasn't the best of all possible options where we retain free will?

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>>2975084
Logic was never intended to be the primary guiding principle for human beings.

>>2975045
So... he still punishing them.

It's like someone came to you and he asks you to do a favor. You refuse and you're killed later on. It's no one's obligation.

>>2975087
>>2975093
Regardless, god would not allow anyone to go to hell if he loved us. Punishment is justified only if a chance of redemption and learning a lesson is offered.

Humans interpret time on a linear scale, meaning for us to learn something from a punishment we must have the chance to free ourselves form it after it begins. You can't escape hell, can you?

>>2974663
What is virtuos pagan

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>>2975099
>>2975080

>>2975101
A fantasy.

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>>2975096
Where does the killing in that analogy come from? I'd say it's more like you're stuck outside and he's offering to let you in the house, you can either accept and live with the guy or stay outside when the storm and cold comes.

>>2975099
You're assuming that time remains linear for us after we go to Heaven or Hell, and that Hell is a punishment, not God respecting our desires.

>>2975105
Could you stop shitposting anime girls and make a god damn argument?
>>2975112
>God respecting our desires

I don't want to go to fucking hell. But I'm going to according to christian doctrine because I'm not christian.

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>>2975118
>I don't want to go to fucking hell
Do you want to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior and welcome him into your repentant heart?

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>>2975118
The argument is that it is foolish for you, a mere human being, to presume to know better than Almighty God.

>>2975130
>>2975131
Unless Jesus or God contact me directly, how do I know if the christian lifestyle is the way to avoid hell? What of any of the other multitude of religions is the one that's actually correct?

>>2975112
>Where does the killing in that analogy come from?
It stems from Christianity's disproportionate punishment for not accepting a task. Why should some Inuit who led a good life from the other side of the planet care about Jesus dying for his sins?

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>>2975145
Jesus is contacting you through every Christian who tells you to repent and accept Him as LORD. How you respond to that contact is your prerogative.

>>2975154
By that logic, Ganesh is contacting me via every Hindu I've ever talked to about religion.

And Ik Onkar is contacting me via every Sikh, Yahweh through every Rabbi, and Allah through every muslim I've spoken to.

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>>2975156
Yes both Jesus and the demons are very interested in contacting you. Your life is important anon!

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>>2975159
>Ik Onkar
>A demon

The FUCK you on about?

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>>2975153
Why does distance matter? Does Jesus death count for less because the Inuit lives far away?

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>>2975166
Cursing at me for trying to help you is hard hearted. Goodbye anon.

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>>2975034
>>2975017
>>2975045
>>2975065

[SIN LAUNDERING INTENSIFIES]

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>>2975177
Shut up you demiurge ass licker

>>2975173
>Does Jesus death count for less because the Inuit lives far away?
Yes. Does the death of a starving African child mean much to you?

>>2975173
What if he doesn't know Jesus died for his sins?

>>2975177
>Shits on every other religion on the planet
>"REEEEE WHY DID YOU CURSE YOU HURT MY FEEFEES!"

Christfags I swear.

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>>2975186
But Christianity in Africa is growing rapidly and subsaharan Africa is now one of the most Christian places in the world.

>>2975112
>assuming.... Hell is a punishment

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment"

Really penetrates the pistachios

>>2975159
Its so important that its a unit of spiritual collateral for the eschatalogical marketplace.

>>2975131
I think I know better than a Jewish Volcano tho. For instance I know that owning child sex slaves is never morally justified.

Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny. (Matthew 5:26)

>>2975229
>100% interest

Wow, God really is a kike.

>>2974733
>Christian God
>correct god

>>2975250
Final vision of Daniel tho

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>>2975118

>>2974663
There's a reason people have been pushing universalism the past few years, though most Christians (unless we're talking wacky American Protestant Sects) would say Mussolini would be in hell as well.
desu it was just an easy failsafe to get people to convert
>if you convert and are good you'll get into an eternal paradise when you die
>if you don't convert even if you're good you still go into eternal damnation
and it worked, but in modern day secularism/internationalism it's more of a detriment than anything

>>2975264
personally I can respect those who believe in the 'each man will be tested by the quality of his works' concept of purgatory though I don't think its very biblically supported. Evangelical solipsists like John Piper can go take a long walk off a short pier for their complete lack of empathy.

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>>2975264
But if you convert and are bad you still get eternal paradise when you die. Heck, technically there's not even a "good", you're all bad, just in varying degrees.

>>2975282
I don't think so because you can grieve the holy spirit through wilful sin and therefore commit the unpardonable sin and be cut off from genuine repentance.

>>2975207
Really amps up my hippocampus.

>>2975282
do you have some source for that or what are you smoking? Again, ignoring batshit American sects, converting alone is not a guaranteed ticket to Heaven.

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>>2975290
Almost every interpretation of the "unforgivable sin" of blaspheming the Holy Spirit that I've heard has been dying without repentance.

All you need to say is simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one. (Matthew 5:37)

>>2975298
Jesus literally said only god is good.

>>2975299
I've committed the unpardonable sin. I've not been able to repent genuinely since.

>>2975177
Reminder that the demiurge hardened pharoah's heart and by doing so stripped him of his free will.

>>2974822
His plan was to deport them.

>>2975413
They were never going to deport them to madagascar, stormfaggot.

>>2975298
Being born again is the only way to get to heaven.

Per, you know, Jesus who is, as you might have heard, God Himself.

>>2975381
So has every other non-believer.

So has every believer who reached the age of accountability, prior to their belief.

Because the unpardonable sin is Unbelief.

You still have time to remedy that, by believing and confessing that Jesus is Lord, and believing in your heart that God raised Him from the dead.

It's the only sin left unpardonable because Jesus is not going to force anyone to believe in Him, and for other reasons if you're interested.

Only the unbelieving dead are unpardonable; while you yet live, you may repent, and be saved.

>>2975430
No I mean its strange but I don't even want to repent. I'm not comfortable with not wanting to repent however. And ostensibly I'm still a Christian not a non-believer.

>>2975430
>Only the unbelieving dead are unpardonable; while you yet live, you may repent, and be saved.

Why are the immortal souls of the dead unable to see the light?

>>2975447
>I don't even want to repent.
>And ostensibly I'm still a Christian

Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

- Matthew 7:21

>>2975447
You're quite confused.

Christians cannot commit the unpardonable sin, because the process of becoming a Christian involves directly countering the possibility of committing the unpardonable sin.

Christians believe the Holy Spirit when He whispers to us that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

The unpardonable sin is to say that Jesus is not the Christ, not the Son of the Living God.

So they're mutually exclusive, and you should figure out which half of this mutually exclusive relationship you really belong to. Because if you were once a Christian, you are one now, regardless of your feelings or belief, but if you are not a Christian now, and cannot confess Jesus is Lord, risen from the dead, you were never a Christian and are still practicing the unpardonable sin.

And yes, you can harden your heart to the Holy Spirit, but the same sun that hardens the clay, melts the wax.

>>2975430
>Because the unpardonable sin is Unbelief.
>the founding minds of civilisation are eternally suffering because they were born before god decided to show up in the form of his son
Shieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

>>2975448
They will see it, but they will be unable to change the decision they made in their lifetime. They will already have been resurrected either into an eternal body unto life and heaven, or an eternal body to shame and destruction.

>>2975451
>I don't know what "ostensibly" means

Okay then

>>2975456
Jesus reads men's hearts; I trust He makes good decisions about who wants to live with the Creator of the Universe forever, and who does not.

Paradise was populated before there were any Christians.

>>2975477
Then why even bother with this whole cross thing.

>>2975483
idk

a god who would put one of his own children in eternal damnation for not worshipping him is insane. the whole premise of christianity is that we must worship an insane god, or face eternal punishment. ill side with satan on this one, as the lesser of 2 evils. jesus was fine, emulate him. attending a church is sweet and helps the community. but dont drink the koolaid! read the Perennial Philosophy by aldous huxley. drop acid. study buddhism and vedanta. there are infinite paths, dont disparage them. fuck mainstream christianity, its just as ignorant as islam and judaism. stop worshipping men and taking what men said and wrote as gospel.

>>2974868
you cant believe in something that you cant understand. what is "son of god" mean? what is god? if god is unknowable, then its not understandable, and you cant believe something like that. all christians are self deluded.

>>2974971
>let me type 20 words about how not mad I am

lollin

>>2974663
Hell is a great weapon of fear that got Christianity this far.

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>>2976302
It is a fact that Jesus spoke more about Hell than any other person from the Bible.

>>2975118
>Could you stop shitposting anime girls and make a god damn argument?
no

>>2976290
Hell yes to Aldous Huxley's perennial philosophy. It's unfortunate it has gone out of fashion in recent times. I studied it for 5 years and found it to be completely logical and rational. However, one must pay attention to the implications of the theory. If Jesus was a mere mortal who achieved total enlightenment, that gives way for another to achieve the same thing. More so than this, if the creation of a second Messiah were to fail, then eternal damage would have been done to God's will. Everyone who was a part of this failure would be worthy of eternal retribution. However, I also believe God is merciful, and with Him forgiveness is always a possibility.

>>2976306
Well its not called Mosianity and its not called Elijianity so I guess that guy is right.

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>>2976318
except if you're a chingchongbingbong

>>2976325
>imblygin

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

>>2976332
I'm only implying that, according to the Bible, the primary reason people have been condemned by and large has come down to being born in the wrong country. and thus lacking specific revelation No amount of sin laundering apologetics will escape the fact.

>>2974849
>Purgatory was retconned out of existence.
Who told you that?

>>2976340
Evangelicals and the biblical suport for purgatory is dubious anyway. There's one passage of James that seems to suggest it.

>>2976343
The Catholic Church still very much teaches about purgatory.
More often than not I see people talking about "purgatory being abandoned" while they conflate purgatory with limbo, a concept which was never officially adopted by Catholics and was relatively recently denounced.
I think the Orthodox have a belief similar to the Catholics, although as in all cases they take a more openly mystical approach. Something about demons and toll booths?

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>>2976356
Your catholic church is full of shit and has been from its inception

>>2976339
The primary reason people have been condemned to Hell is because of Adam's sin.

>>2976366
>No amount of sin laundering apologetics will escape the fact

>>2976369
No amount of human reasoning can deny God's word.

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>>2976373
I agree. I await on it eagerly.

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>>2976377
*Him

>>2976383
at least people would stop being born I guess

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>>2976403

>mfw "Christians" commit idolatry by producing, saving, and spreading anime icon meme

>>2976417
ikr. I love it

"while your hopping from one foot to the other he's laughing his sick fucking ass off"
-Al Pacino

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>>2976413

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>>2976417
anime is not a crime

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>>2976426

>>2975034
Give me money or I'll kill you. Hey I'm giving you a choice, I'm being loving!

>>2975112
Except God is responsible for the storm existing in the first place.

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>>2976435
If you had a right to the money in the same way God has a right to His creation then giving a choice would be more loving than not giving one.

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>>2974761

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You know that episode of Futurama with Melllvar? That's basically reality. Right now god is eating his sghetti

>>2976447
Dogmatism: not even once

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>>2976461
A = A

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>>2976447
Might makes right. Got it.

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>>2976468
The LORD is the LORD.

>>2976475
*undortunately

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>>2976479

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>>2976486

I see the Christians on this board are being thick headed and apologetic as usual

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>>2976496
now you're just agreeing with me

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>heaven
>christianity

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>>2976501
No, I'm praying for you. Goodnight.

>>2976506
It occurs to me the only difference between Christians and Muslims in terms of conduct is that Christians are passive aggressive.

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. “Go up baldhead,” they shouted, “go up baldhead!” The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

>>2976534
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

>>2976403
>Love

And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.

-Ezequiel

Go eat shit, it is a loving thing.

>>2976534
Oh are we quoting barbaric bible passages? Here's one where pedophilia is endorsed

"17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Numbers 31

>>2976571

I just can't fathom how people don't see the love.

>>2974663
>he doesn't know that we are already living in Hell