Ignorant people often attribute the complications in the middle

>>2973802
I've attached a borderless map so you can draw your own borders if any of you still insist there are ways to draw the map to "fix" the middle east.

I myself realize that the borders aren't absolutely perfect and some adjustments could be made, but that's the case throughout the world. I think you will quickly come to realize that it's foolish to attribute the issues of the middle east to borders.

I also don't want you to believe I'm excusing the European powers' campaigns in the mideast. They are a great source of trouble, but supporting regime change and coups, funding dissident groups, etc., in contemporary times are far more problematic than the borders ever were.

>>2973802
Also noteworthy is that the Arabs enthusiastically helped the Western countries boot out the Ottomans, so at least some portion of them were happy with the new borders.

I love how the average 89iq will decry nationalism, whole the idea of abandoning the nation state for any other model fills them with dread. contemporary nationalists for some reason dont believe they are nationalists, because they dont understand difference between civic and ethnic nationalism..

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Middle Eastern borders were fine until ZOG decided they weren't.

>>2973838
Good point. The borders weren't imposed on them without any consultation.

>>2973839
The fate of nationstates if globalism persists is the same as the provinces within today's nationstates: meaningless regional designations.

>>2973802
>>2973838

there's no arabs outside of the arabian peninsula. You are referring to the point in history when syrians, jordanians, lebanese, egyptians etc started LARPing as arabs (1800's, no arab identity among levant ethnicities before then, still largely doesn't exist except as a geopolitical identity/concept/fiction or as a matter of convenience when talking to foriegners)

>>2974062
>no arab identity among levant ethnicities before then

What were they then? Why do those countries generate Islamists that travel across the world to fight in the name of the Caliphate? They didn't seem to care much for their non-Islamic history.

>>2974062
I'm not going to write out "Arabic speaking populations in the Middle East and North Africa" or anything resembling that when I can write "Arabs" and have all non-autists understand me.

4th Dynasty of Ur when?

>>2973802
The US has also systematically sabotaged nationalistic regimes in favor of radical sunni ones.

>>2973851
>bush causes regime change but leaves borders the same
???

>>2974120
if you're gonna revive the median empire at least keep the neo-babylonians too

>>2974116
and yet Iraq is now controlled by shias

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>>2974177
Good map m8.

>>2973839
Are you Danish?

>>2974177
>no phoenician city-states

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>>2974177
This is beautiful

>>2974177
No. Pay your detbs yourself.

>>2974177

Scrumdiddlyumptious!

I would say give the Phoenicians their Lebanon, but asides from that this is rather alluring.

An alternate world exists where Marsh Arabs were reassimilated into Persia, the Armenians have Mt. Ararat (though still no coast!), and 'Romania' means "the lands of the Romans, which consists of the southern Balkans and Anatolia"

>>2974177
>TFW when no Galatia or Pontic Nations

Also restore Troy

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>>2974682

The reality is a lot sadder

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>>2973802
Also every time people talk about how the Middle Eastern borders are terrible, I remind them that this is what Westerners think they could do to improve them, so they should be glad things are only as bad as they are.

>>2975674
>I remind them that this is what Westerners think they could do to improve them

And a vast improvement it would be.

>>2975736
>Kurdistan with Black Sea access
>good

This is how I know you're a bad person

>>2975736
>Islamic (Sacred) State
>Pakistan still existing
>no pan-Iranian state
>Kurdistan owning rightful Armenian clay
>Turkey and Azerbaijan still existing
>Saudi Homelands
it's shit

>>2975817
>No Assyria
>Khuzestan, South Iraq, and the gulf coast all in one
>Baghdad city state
>Syria not split
>Naming Najd after a dynasty
>Najd still having part of the Hejaz
>Hejaz split in three
>Bushehr with Khuzestan
Probably more too.

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I think my borders are pretty ok
I took in consideration the old divisions, concentration of ethnicities and all of that
specially why I would move all the turks back to the steppes

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PARTITION OF THE MIDDLE EAST

>Turkey
Eastern areas are no longer in its possession. Erdogan is disposed of, and inhabitants become secular. Burkas undergo stringent prohibition, and mosques are surveilled 24/7.
>Cyprus
Is dissolved as a sovereign nation. Greek Cyprus goes to Greece and Turkish Cyprus goes to Turkey.
>North Kurdistan
The K*rdish dominated areas of Turkey become independent.
>South Kurdistan
The K*rdish dominated areas of Iraq become independent.
>Nusayria
Antiquated name for the Alawites, their silver of Syria handed to their rightful dominion. Bashar al-Assad is promoted to local janitor.
>Phoenecia
Previous Lebanon, mostly intact. Reserved for Shi'a Muslims of the Mediterranean.
>State of the Levant
Encompasses areas near Beirut. Reserved for Maronites and other Christian minority groups.
>Israel & Palestine
Are united politically, although Palestine operates under a separate jurisdiction (much like the situation in Cyprus today). Nevertheless, covert attempts by the Jewish demographic is made to relocate these Palestinians to Jordan through deceit and bribery.
>Jordan
Same borders, virtually unchanged.
>Al-Druze
Anglicized as "Aldruze". Reserved for the Druze in Lebanon and Syria. Annexes Golan Heights as a source of energy.
>Greater Syria
Combined sections of Syria and Iraq frankenstein'd together. Reserved for Sunni Muslims in the area. Dictatorship is installed to prevent Islamic terrorism; parties involved in conspiracies against the government are executed. Consanguinity and cousin marriage is banned with the punishment of death, CRISPR technology is employed to fix the genetics of the population and bring them to civilization.
>Babylonia
Includes Baghdad, Same measures are taken as in Greater Syria.
>Georgia
South Ossetia is integrated with dissenters murdered in cold blood.
>Abkhazia
Gain independence and the approval of Putin.
>Armenia
Ebb portions of Turkey, Nagorno-Karabakh is incorporated, and Azeris are relocated.

CONT.

>>2976270
>Azerbaijan
Ethnically correlated regions in Iran are annexed, exclave is united with the mainland.
>Balochistan
Declares sovereignty, dictatorship is installed, consanguinity and cousin marriage is punishable with execution, death squads roam the streets to violently stamp out Islamic fundamentalism.
.>Iran
Are left alone by the rest of humanity, the secession of Azerbaijan and Balochistan notwithstanding
>Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Qatar
Ruling dynasties are trashed, dictatorship is installed to stamp out and mutilate Islamic fundamentalists. Oil dough is redistributed for STEM and the progression of technology.
>United Arab Emirates
Allocated more funds to making their population more savvy, the only step removing them from becoming a successful developed nation.
>Oman
See above.
>Yemen
United, dictatorship is installed and aggressive economic development is stimulated through oil by a secular ruler.
>Pakistan
lol
>Afghanistan
top kek

>>2976270
>>2976291
I'm surprisingly okay with all this although I don't believe the Sunni Iraqis are particualrly cursed genetically compared to some other populations in the region?

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hello lads

>>2976270
>dividing Cyprus
Stopped reading

>>2976270
Why would georgia have any authority over ossetia. They arent the same at all.

>>2976291
Azeri Iranians arent really keen on seperatism and balochis care more about sunni islam. Kzrdish seperatism would be more likely

>>2974177
>Hello Sassanid Empire, we missed you!
Might as well add Georgia and Dagestan and its perfect.

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>>2973802
Unite the fucking arabs.

>>2976455
kys ruskie scum

>>2974120
Did the USA hire you to make their state maps?

>>2976676
>german trading company
I got a good lol from that one, anon.

>>2976304
Northern Iran is largely NON-Kurdish.

>>2976459
Azeri Iranians are genetically still Iranian anyway outside of them simply wanting more representation of their language in their regions by the government but otherwise yes. Balochis do not need a separate state either way.

>>2975674
>Turkey still on map
>Good

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>>2973802
Rate

>>2976694
It doesn't say that anywhere on that map.

>>2976676
>giving Georgia, Cyprus and Armenia to the Turks
literally genocide-tier

>>2973835
>I've attached a borderless map so you can draw your own borders if any of you still insist there are ways to draw the map to "fix" the middle east.
This would be much easier if you included cities on the map for reference, but thanks.

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Just make Armenia and Assyria as union that is a border between Roman Empire and Persians.

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>>2973802
My attempt

>>2977676
Fonts are both classy and setup the joke nicely, I like it and appreciate the effort.
Shit map otherwise. The Ottoman Empire is dumb, they don't share a language even, let alone culture.
Giving Istanbul to Greece is also stupid. It has a higher population than Greece, Greeks would be a minority in their country.

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>>2976671
What a perfect world

>>2976304
>Persia
>Iranian flag
wew

>>2978378
It would work better with Armenia between Rome and Persia, which would make them less likely to be weakened by wars when Arabs went out of their desert.

>>2974122
The 'regime change' is the key thing to take note of here as Iraq was more stable even after having fought a war that claimed millions of lives, and would have continued being stable like every other regime from the Cold War that hasn't been overthrown by western and natal efforts already. Not touching the borders is just a ruse to cover up their intentions to control the oil market and geopolitics in the region.

>All these faggots giving Greece more than the Aegean cost in Asia Minor

Greece would get rekt trying to hold center Anatolia

>>2978618
Yeah, I would give Tzarogrod to country that still have living descendants of last Tzar - Bulgaria. And as Greeks have small population, for getting Aegean coast in Anatolia, they would lose Greek Macedon to Macedonia, because there are ethnic Macedonians anyway.

>>2977234
zoom in where greece is

>>2978378
>found out up till the 19th century, Persia still had control of Georgia until the Q**js lost it
FUCKING

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>>2973802
Greater Kurdistan when?

>>2976270
So all of Cyprus goes to Greece then? Why not just say so.

>>2975947
>Bushehr with Khuzestan
Tell me more about Bushehr's history and significance if you can?

(I was there just last week, didn't realize it had much going for it)