>enough land for everyone >abundant wildlife >rich in

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>>2972610
>Benin
>Songhai
>Hausa
>Fulani
>Wolof
>Mali

>"why africa a shit" thread #9001
desustorage.org/his

>>2972610
>enough land for everyone
Most of which is untraversable desert and jungle littered with malaria and other tropical diseases
>abundant wildlife
Most of which is extremely dangerous or scarredy and is completely undomesticatable.
>rich in natural resources
Like oil? Gold? Things that are completely useless to any hunter gatherers or early agrarian societies.
>literal diamonds overflowing from the ground
See above
>can't progress beyond a mud hut
1. There were plenty of iron-age level civilisations in Africa
2. Most people in history have lived in uncivilised societies, not exclusive to Africa.
3. Mud is an excellent building material and insulator in hot climates

Next thread

>>2972612
>Mudhut
>Mudhut
>Mudhut
>Mudhut
>Mudhut
>Mudhut

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>>2972610
>can't progress beyond a mud hut

Really?

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>>2972628
I see what you mean. I can only see mudhuts here.

>>2972610
>>literal diamonds overflowing from the ground
what is the practical use of diamonds apart from making diamond drills?

>>2972641
>what is the practical use of diamonds

They are worth a lot of money, and money is practical.

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>>2972623
>being so unevolved that you literally dont know what to do with oil, diamond, and gold

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>>2972645
>They are worth a lot of money
And who decided they are worth a lot of money?

>>2972654
>And who decided they are worth a lot of money?

The people who are willing to pay millions of dollars for them.

>>2972652
>Look at how shiny this piece of metal is. I'm sure the shininess of this metal will aid me in harvesting these crops.

>>2972660
>The people who are willing to pay millions of dollars for them.
It's almost like their value was entirely determined by humans and have no intrinsic value or practical use

>>2972666
Wow, you just discovered the existence of social constructs! You must be a genius!

>>2972674
So you are admitting that the value of diamonds is completely fictitious.

>>2972660
Diamonds in Africa were worth less than copper and sea shells, and about as much as glass beads, until the 19th century or so. Because there was no one willing to pay "millions of dollars" for them.
As soon as people started doing that, Africans started killing each others over control of the diamond trade.

>>2972679
The value of diamonds is about as fictitious as the monopoly money when you agree to and are playing a Monopoly game with your friends.

It isn't real like the physical laws of the universe, but it really doesn't matter, because as long as you're playing the Monopoly game, you ACT as if it is real.

>>2972682
Well, obviously the value of something really doesn't exist if people don't know what to do with it.

I mean, Thorium ore wasn't valuable for most of the history since it's discovery too, but now it is rising in price because people have invented thorium reactors that supply energy.

>>2972689
But if I took those monopoly money and tried to use them in game of poker, they would not be accepted, because they play by a different rule set.

That's what's being discussed here. Diamonds didn't have value in pre-colonial Africa because they didn't consider them valuable.

>>2972701
>That's what's being discussed here.

No it's not. You're saying diamonds just simply don't have any value objectively.

Which is ridiculous. Because nothing has value outside a given context.

>>2972798
>You're saying diamonds just simply don't have any value objectively.
Objective value is philosophic and isn't the focus of this discussion. This is about history in sub-saharan Africa and the simple truth is that no natives had any use for diamonds until Europeans arrived.

>>2972829
>This is about history in sub-saharan Africa and the simple truth is that no natives had any use for diamonds until Europeans arrived.

And I never denied that they did.

What's your point?

>>2972831
What's YOUR point? What exactly are you trying to argue here?

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>>2972625
so what?

>>2972628
Isn't Namibia a 100% colony?

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>>2972836
A more honest photo. Also, Sankore was built in the 15.-16. century, not 982.

>>2972845
btfo

>>2972623
>Things that are completely useless to any hunter gatherers or early agrarian societies.
hence the thread, you illiterate scum

why could africans not progress?

>>2972834

His point was that Europeans came to Africa and found it dripping with riches, the fact the native niggers never thought to use any of them for anything simply proves that they were dumb.

>>2972858
If you had read the rest of my post, you would've known.

>>2972837

Namibia is racially homogeneous and NOT Bantu, it's also incredibly rich in diamond mines. It's by no means exemplary for Africa in general.

>>2972863
Africa is not monolithic. What you could be ascribing to primitive tribes would have been done by civilized societies. You forgot about Mali? Swahili? All those African states that took advantage of it's own riches?

>>2972863
>the fact the native niggers never thought to use any of them
Use them for what? What practical uses does gold, oil or diamonds have to a pre-industrial society?

>>2972628
looks very Ordnung, I approve.

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>>2972863
>His point was that Europeans came to Africa and found it dripping with riches, the fact the native niggers never thought to use any of them for anything simply proves that they were dumb.

No that wasn't my point at all.

My point was that invoking Stirnerite deconstruction where the modern economy is concerned is facetious at best, and pedestrian at worst.

It's like whining you have to pay for your food with money; yeah yeah, we get it, you don't give a shit about the game that humans are playing currently, wow, you're such an intellectual, my god.

>>2972623
Literally
>The whole of Africa is either the Saharan desert or the congo rainforest
Here's some facts:
1. Subsaharan Africa has more arable land than the whole of Europe
2. Nice BS, but there's no excuse for the fact that diamonds and gold has always been a valuable resource since the rise of the Akkadian Empire
>3. Actually trying to justify the fact that Africa uses mud buildings.
There are fucking palaces in the Arabian peninsular

>>2972882
I used Stirner to mock this guy >>2972652 because he's good for dispelling any idea of intrinsic value in situations were it doesn't apply.

I'm fully aware the mindset isn't always a useful one. I know money is a social construct but I'm still gonna use them to buy groceries.

>>2972906
Well then you've been talking to different people, because these are my posts, and you did use Stirner against me.

>>2972628
>>2972633
>>2972645
>>2972654
>>2972660
>>2972674
>>2972689
>>2972798
>>2972831

>>2972926
Eh, minus that post in the middle obviously.

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>>2972610
>can't progress beyond a mud hut

Really? This is the capital of Botswana.

>>2972926
Right so the post I replied to was this one >>2972645 which to me implied that diamonds cost money because they're valuable and not the other way around.

>>2972941
Well they are valuable NOW, and have been valuable for quite some time.

Not saying they have always been valuable.

>>2972661
>look at how shiny this piece of metal is, maybe I should trade with the arabs/brits/french/germans/turks/romans/carthaginians and import technology to help me farm

>>2972948
>Not saying they have always been valuable.
Which is what I thought you were implying. I thought you were like this guy >>2972863 who thinks Africans were dumb for not seeing the intrinsic value in shiny rocks or whatever.

>>2972959
Yeah, but he's just a retarded /pol/fugee.

The reason the Africans didn't think them valuable was probably because they didn't see them as tools.

I mean, the value of specific artifacts are extremely culturally dependent.

Bringing a rifle to Bantu tribesman will make them shake their head, but an axe will probably make them happy.

>>2972963
So we're in agreement then.

>>2972966
Sounds like it.

>>2972610
Short answer:
Isolation and Geography (Unlike Europe, Africa's rivers are useless, land is infertile for agriculture etc.)

Long Anser:
Read Prisoners of Geography by Tim Marshalls

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>>2972971

>>2972645
Pls be bait

Why are /pol/acks so fucking retarded?
You can explain things to them a million fucking times and they keep repeating the same inane shit.
Why are they still here?
How do we get rid of them?

>>2973065
Well, perhaps we should stop responding to their bait threads I guess.

>>2972958
>yes, I'll trade metal with the white people who at this time only visit coastal areas and only want slaves to trade for sugar to trade for manufactured goods, what a brilliant idea

>>2972864
there was nothing in your post that adequately answered the question. are you ESL?

>>2973244
>yes, I will stay in the deep jungle and die of malaria instead of migrating to the fertile coasts, what a brilliant idea
Even the GERMANS of all people had enough sense to migrate their tribes when necessary

>b-but the ones in the south had nobody to trade with!!!
How the southern Africans could have fixed this:
set up merchant colonies like the Phoenicians did.
That was easy!
The history of much of africa is one of mindboggling incompetence, brief order and development, then anarchy
Yes, there were some African kingdoms that achieved more than the rest, but they were still Albania tier in the annals of history

This entire thread
>Africa had diamonds but they're shiny rocks lmao
>Africa had gold but everyone was a farmer and didn't need it
>Africa has no farmland lmao

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>diamonds
>valuable
keep believing that shit

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>>2972610
>>abundant wildlife
>>rich in natural resources

only Forest(it's ok, it's brown) and grassland soil(ver good, it's black) are good
rest is shit and hard to make use of

>>2972845
>>2972836

AHAHAHAHAHAH

>>2973495
>the phoenicians were completely isolated

>>2972652
>>2972645
Whos more civilized? The guy who thinks shiny stones whose qualities come from the coincidental arrangement of ions have innate value or the guy who uses materials like mud to better his living conditions? Really makes you think...

>>2974009
The map is disproportionate, Africa is far far far larger than that
And the reason so much of Africa is a desert is poor land management by africans

>>2974301
please teach me how to terraform the entirety of the sahara

>>2972933
Wasn't Gaborone built by the British ?although it currently has a population of 400k, not to shabby!

>>2972978
Why are the rivers useless? And can the soil really not be tilled why?

I'm honestly ignorant

>>2974332
>what is irrigation
wow, that was hard!!!

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>>2972610
>>2972625

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>>2972610
don't give in to the bait just post architecture of pre-colonial Africa

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>>2972610
>>2972625
.

>>2974429
>mudstack with twigs sticking out

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>>2972610
>>2972625
also

>>2972699
>invented thorium reactors that supply energy.

really? .... I don't think so.

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>>2972610
>>2972625
...

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>>2972610
>>2972625

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>>2972625
..

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>>2972610
>>2972625
=

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>>2972610
>>2972625
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>>2972610
>>2972625

>>2972623
>iron-age
In terms of weaponry yes, but blacks are in the mesolithic era in terms of everything else.

Its more disturbing how blacks focus their brains on making things to kill people like iron weapons rather than help their own people by inventing better architecture or trying to figure out how herbs work.

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>>2972610
>>2972625
^^

>>2974301
Sahara was caused by plate tectonics you stupid fuck.

>>2974495
sure, da plate n shit be keepin da black man down n shit now les riot

>>2974523
As funny as this meme is, that continental event is the reason we fucking humans exist to begin with, without it North Africa would just be a rainforest and apes would never learn to walk without savannahs created by the continental plate event.

I wish mediniggers didn't sperg out on Ethiopia, it would have been the sickest Africa country if they hadn't had to deal with the disruptions in WWII.

>>2972836
>CE

>>2974533
sounds like bullshit, I doubt God was like 'Oh boy I want to create Man but the plates aren't aligned right, shucks'

>>2974440
i'm gonna be honest, i laughed

but it's pretty impressive considering the tools they had and the practicallity of the material

>>2974447
Comfy

>>2974416
In order to irrigate you need consistent and self-renewing water deposits, which, by the way, oasis aren't.

>>2974619
maybe they should have, oh I don't know, migrated to the fertile coast or, oh I don't know, built aqueducts

>>2974594
im pretty sure the Egyptians did a whole lot more with a whole lot less

>>2972623
>littered with malaria and other tropical diseases

well to be fair, europe was also littered with black death and numerous other wipeouts but still managed to build literally the world we know today.

>>2972654
Money itself is a mere spook, my friend

>>2974381
It's useless because they cannot be used for trade. In Europe, the rivers were used to transport good from one place to another. You can't do that in Africa because it's full of waterfalls. The soil cannot be tilled is because the soil is not nutritious. This is why much of Africa was only settled when the Europeans came in who have the technology capable of transcending these geographic limitations. Those limitations held Africa off for a thousand years.

>>2972610
To all of those fuckers saying that they have a lot of diamonds. You do realize that diamonds are fucking common. The only reason they are expensive is that of two things:

1. Mining diamonds is monopolized.
2. Diamonds were marketed as a gift of men for their fiance during the 1900's

Before the 1900's, diamonds were cheap and were not considered luxury products.

>>2974921
Europe's diseases were limited for a time period. Africa's diseases were there from the start.

>>2974821
The Nile river is calm and predictable. This allowed the Egyptians to use the Nile river to carry goods from one place to another. African rivers are useless on the other hand.The surrounding area is also very fertile around it.

>>2975391
The Nile is an African river.

>>2972652
>worthless for the majority of human history
>only good for trade with people who don't have as much who think it's innately valuable, propped up by artificially limited supply from a monopoly
>Shitty metal only good for trade with people who think it's innately valuable
>both of the people who think it's innately valuable have far better military tactics and weapons

>>2973482
>>2974650
>migrated to the fertile coast
Lets just pack up and leave the place where we have survived for generations to undertake a dangerous trek for a completely unknown to us distance, to a supposed coast which may or may not be fertile and has a high chance of holding a people who will not be happy with our encroachment and may have better weapons with us, all because we now magically have visions of the future which tell us that settled agriculture is the key to progress!

>or, oh I don't know, built aqueducts
Lets just conjure an aqueduct using the craftsmen, quarry-men, and carpenters which are being held up by the large agricultural base using water we don't have! Water creating a large population base is the prerequisite to having a population that can build aqueducts.

>>2975400
WE

>>2973962
>if I just simplify arguments into greentexts that makes them not valid

>>2972610
>enough land for everyone
most of it is either contested by feuding ethnic groups (see Rwandan Genocide and Congo Wars) or uninhabitable (Sahara, African Rainforest), while there is enough arable land to feed everyone in a peaceful setting, all the ongoing low-level wars make any serious efforts at putting all the land to use useless as it gets burned/occupied. Though stable places like South Africa, Botswana, and Kenya have overcome this for the most part.

>abundant wildlife
a lot of African wildlife can't be domesticated, those that can are put to use, but that alone doesn't save entire nations

>Rich resources
African nations fall into the Resource Curse, having resources only benefits if the state is stable enough to reliably extract and export it on their own power, but African nations have to subcontract that to the Chinese/EU because they lack the stability to keep these resources secure, leaving the contract nations open to cut a slice of the profits. Again, some nations have overcome this.

>literal diamonds
again, resource curse, if the state can't secure the diamonds, it's fair game for anyone to dig up and sell on black markets, South Africa and the De Beer's have kept diamond mining secure however, and are reaping the full rewards.

>can't progress beyond mud huts
Again, political stability allows for economic and infrastructure growth, some have risen above such as those named before, while others still can't produce a functioning government due to ethnic tensions between rival groups.

"AFRICA IS JUST MUDHUTS" is just as fucking obnoxious and ahistorical as "WE WUZ KANGZ".

>>2975649
Notice how outside of a few crazies you only hear racist whites on the Internet say wewuz while "mud huts" is a widespread and common belief. Don't try to pretend two things are equal when they're not.

Its more profitable to reap the resources and keep the continent shitty so they keep selling you land to use for the cheap

>>2972610
It's full of useless black people you fucking idiot

>>2972845
>a literal sandcastle

B T F O

>>2975485
Yes, staying in the malaria ridden shithole jungle was clearly the smarter move.
man, africans were geniuses

>>2972628
Yeah. Look at all those clearly african native buildings and cars.

>>2972933
That's a lot of mudhuts.

>>2972610
People wanted that land even earlier than the tablets of Sumer, which stated that gold came from Africa (the Sumerian tablets are still a religion, but the mention of African gold is noteworthy) were written.

Hypothesis:
Their gold was being sold from Egypt
1600bce Egypt got conquered.
Now you have resources you cant sell.
Economical isolation.

As for the rest, well they shipped what? 10-100 million Africans in the 1500's so their standard of living eas not such that they couldnt sustain themselves.
Sadly the push inland and raids by the Mussies had a tol, but the extend (beside the millions) is heavily debatable, but the mud hut is a meme, because im pretty sure that Wikipedia has a list withseveral African empires. What youre spouting isthe religious propaganda that validated slavery in the first place. Sadly tho the conquest of Africa has been going on for longer than you can fathom. As explained in the first part.

>>2976784
You do know that there isnt a single invention that hinges on one person?
Data gets taken and perfected all the time so why would they not be different?

>>2972872
I know, Medieval European kingdoms would've found nothing to do with gold or diamonds if they had them

LOL U THINK AFRICA IS POVERTY, MUD, AND DISEASE??
*posts cherrypicked aerial view of random African capital's urban skyline*

>>2972628
Literally looks like Arizona.

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>>2972633
>Dar Es Salaam
Mud huts would be an improvement over that shithole, literal cardboard and tin shacks everywhere.

>>2976769
Aand you went from talking about "Africans in the desert" to "Africans nna tropical woods," which is a whole other situation.

Besides, were they supposed to know that they had to move on the coast (which, by the way, in some cases it was possible they didn't know it even existed), through very tough terrain for hundred of miles, fighting other tribes living on the coast to the last, because some day white people were going to come, exploit their divisions, then let said white people's descendants mock them on a Mongolian throath singing forum?

>>2976967
well if they weren't completely thick they would have done exactly that instead of sticking bones through their noses and plates in their lips

>>2976953
LOL U THINK AMERICA IS RACISM AND POVERTY??

>Posts cheery picked photos of Detroit's worst neighbourhood and of Pine Creek county.

>>2976972
stay cheery

>>2975531
>Is unable to explain how I'm wrong but still posts anyway

>>2977659
>is unable to refute arguments but still posts anyway

>>2977685
>posts no argument
hmmmm

>>2972836
>sankore
>literally named after the 'white nobles'
It was built by Arabs, you dunce.

>>2977691
please tell me where are your arguments >>2973962

>>2977714
They're right there, you literally went hurr greentext me no likey
read the thread before you post

>>2976893
>Economical isolation.
Except for the coastal naval trade on two ocean and the trade roads in the desert, yes.
How is that more isolated than the Mayas?

>Wikipedia has a list withseveral African empires
Yes. A few of them had written laws and tribunal. It's still far from everyone else.

>10-100 million Africans in the 1500's
Indians and Chinks managed to sustain a much higher population despite having less fertile land.

>>2974429
>>2974456
Can you please stop posting modern large or high mud pile as a proof that precolonial Africa knew how to build buldings?
At least, post the two story house. It's not impressive by any standards but it show they can use bricks.

>>2977726
>arguments

so far you haven't explained why everyone itt is wrong

>>2972610
Really fucking hot lots of dangerous animals like flesh eating cricket and disease which tear through livestock

>>2972610
We all know the answer.

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>>2972836
>>2974422
>>2974429
>>2974439
>>2974447
>>2974452
>>2974456
>>2974469
>>2974476
>>2974479
>>2974484
>>2974489
Literally none of this is impressive. You could find much better shit in Mesoamerica, and fucking huge intricate cathedrals of stone in Europe.

Oh and before you say its colonialism's fault, remember that some of the most developed and healthiest African nations were the most colonized while the uncolonized remain in shittier conditions.

What this documentary too... faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0C4_88ub_M&t=678s

>>2977729
>Indians and Chinks managed to sustain a much higher population despite having less fertile land.

India and China are more fertile though

>>2978360
>empire of dust is a credible source.

Lol really?

>>2972654
SUPPLY AND DEMAND

>>2978360
>why did Africa not have anything besides mudhuts???????
>*Post buildings made in Africa*
>yeah well if you compare that to things Europe made then it's not much lol

What's the point of even asking for shit about Africa if you're just gonna compare it to Europe? We already know that European architecture was far more advanced than African architecture.

>>2974422
It's literally just a tall piece of carved storm.

>>2972610
It will be settled more in the future as technological innovations take place.
Also colonialism.

>>2976769
>>2976971
>What is hindsight bias?

>>2977729
To trade with whom? I have not encountered which suggest that they did what you describes so i need sources.

India and China are indeed more fertile than the African desert

>>2977729
>Indians and Chinks managed to sustain a much higher population despite having less fertile land.
In addition to what these guys said>>2979044
>>2979300
China and India also have monstrously sized rivers which are calm enough to use as a transportation arteries and float large shipments. They also produce enough water that even large droughts can't completely cut them off.

>>2979049
just because it doesn't directly relate to his exact point doesn't mean that documentary is suddenly bullshit you know

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>>2972645
>>2972652
This bait

>>2972863

why are you this bloody stupid

get out of my board fucking /pol/niggers reeeeeeee

>>2974416

>irrigating a fucking landmass the size of china

>>2974486
t. american intellectual

Because they're stupid violent and selfish
/thread

>>2979194
since

you know

europe was lucky and shit

a more fair comparison would be mesoamerica vs subsaharians, which is fairly equal

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>>2978360

I have never seen a more clear example of moving goal posts and obvious bait than this post.

>>2979434
Except no one was comparing anything

They have many cities.

>>2979434
>europe was lucky and shit
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>2972610
>"what happened to Africa" thread #4928947615

>>2979466
>Vast quantities of coastline relative to the landmass for trade and fishing.
>Large swathes of land with moderated temperatures due to proximity to coast.
>Doesn't receive typhoons, hurricanes, tornadoes, monsoons.
>Reliable rains and numerous navigable rivers
>For the most part, when it gets cold it doesn't get TOO cold
>In fact a large number of crops such as apples and peaches depend on receiving that frost so it actually works in their favor
>This cold also kills most pests and certain diseases wholesale every year.
>Climate resembles that of Northern Asia enough to exchange crops (apples, oranges, peaches, pretty much every grain is asian)
>Large quantity of usable timber, stone quarries and high quality metals which are useful for a developing agrarian society.
>The Mediterranean sea is a powerful asset in trade
>Lower concentration of large and pissed off fauna.
>Has very few poisonous/venomous animals.

I would say Europe is pretty goddamned lucky.

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>>2972836

>CE

>>2978360
>remember that some of the most developed and healthiest African nations were the most colonized
I wonder why they were colonized then, maybe it's relevant to their prospering.

>>2972666
Nobody noticed the trips of LUCIFER

>>2972836
>CE
Post disregarded

>>2975524
no

>>2979267
yeah, moving away from a malaria infested shithole jungle requires hindsight, not intelligence.

>>2980258
>Hey guys we should move away from this place we've lived in for generations, trek through hundreds of miles of inhospitabel jungle and desert and settle down in a completely foreign area, home to hostile tribes who'll absolutely wreck our shit. Sounds swell right guys?

>>2980292
>hey guys we should stay here and put plates through our lips and die from malaria. Sounds swell right guys?

So we are all in agreement /pol/ are retards who conflate the ability to stand on the shoulder of giants with their own intelligence, right?

>>2972866
>and NOT Bantu

Unless you think Nigerians are Bantu (they aren't), most of Namibia is Bantu.

>>2977778
You two are gaybos

>>2976971
Ah yes, because all Africans are exactly like a small tribe of Ethiopians.

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>>2980327
>all Africans do that

Nice try, nigger.

>>2980351
Absolutely. It's pretty telling that the biggest white supremacists also seem to have a fascination with anime dick girls, and largely seem to not have any of their lives shit together.

>>2972933
Built by foreign investors? We're talking what the natives can do with their own "ingenuity" and drive

>>2975422
>>only good for trade with people who don't have as much who think it's innately valuable
Literally every civilization on Earth?

>>2981047
I'll say to every one of these inane accusations
>and largely seem to not have any of their lives shit together.
Ben Franklin was a so-called "white supremacist", as were all of his peers. They certainly accomplished a lot. In fact most Americans and other whites had their views largely in line with /pol/ up until a few decades ago?
Are you going to sit here and imply that everyone before you was stupid and only now have people like you just figured things out?

>>2979914
>fishing
The only use oceans had was for trade and thats it, Euros got most of their fish from freshwater sources dumbass.

Also the Aztecs, every fucking Indian civilization, every south east asian civilization also debunks the claim that humans cant develop civilization in jungles at all. Just admit that niggers are fucking stupid already.

>>2981225
>most Americans and other whites had their views largely in line with /pol/ up until a few decades ago
You are very delusional

>>2981239
Aztecs were not in the jungle?

Where are the advanced Amazonian civilizations, and why don't South Americans get shit for not developing their jungle, but Africans do.

SE Asian jungle civs were not at all advanced.

>>2981259
Prove me wrong faggot, the only point you might have is that they wouldn't want to kill all the niggers like /pol/, but largely before the 20th century:
>Whites didn't like queers
>Whites didn't like niggers
>Women knew their place
>The 14 points wouldn't be controversial in common society
>Whites were also commonly anti-semitic

You are the delusional one

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>>2981239
Ah yes, as these Southeast Asians are obviously extremely developed. And don't say "hurr they're niggers too", they couldn't be further related from blacks.

How much do you know about the Congo anyway? The only people who successfully live there for thousands of years were hairy manlet Pymgies, who got BANTU'd after 500BC.

>>2981225
>up until a few decades ago
>>2981278
>before the 20th century
What should I even say at this point? How can one talk with this sort of people?

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>>2981225
>>2981278
>They certainly accomplished a lot. In fact most Americans and other whites had their views largely in line with /pol/ up until a few decades ago?
So an almost entirely white supremacist society evaluated the facts and decided to abandon it? That should say a lot.

>>2981239
>The only use oceans had was for trade and thats it, Euros got most of their fish from freshwater sources dumbass.
That's some serious nitpicking there but fine. Europeans had a reliable and common source of fish found in RIVERS SPECIFICALLY while using their abundant coastline for trade purposes.

>Aztecs
African civilizations were more advanced than mesoamerica in some ways and less advanced in others. Aztec farming was vastly superior but Africans skipped the bronze age and went directly to iron while Mesoamericans still used wood and stone for most things.

>every fucking Indian civilization
Sat along the most lucrative trade routes in human history and had multiple gigantic rivers with which to support huge populations and facilitate trade. They were also in direct proximity to two major centers of civilization (china and the Middle East). Unless of course you are talking about Native Americans at which point you are a delusional dumbass because as far as we can tell the Inca and Messoamerica were the out-liers to two continents worth of people.

>very south east asian civilization
Direct proximity to fucking China and had plenty of usable coastline to trade with. Africa is built like a brick and inland peoples are shit out of luck as afar as aquatic trade is concerned and the waters on the west coast of Africa are choppy and only allow you to go in one direction so until we hit major advancements in ship technology there is no return trip.

>the claim that humans cant develop civilization in jungles at all.
I never mentioned jungles. I was only talking about how Europe is prime real estate.

>>2981301
Up until the 20th Century those beliefs were commonplace.
Leading up to the 60's, those beliefs were still fairly common, but in the process of being indoctrinated out of the populace
Have I clarified enough?

>>2981302
>So an almost entirely white supremacist society evaluated the facts and decided to abandon it?
>evaluated the facts
Do you really fucking believe this?

>>2980327
>Die of malaria.
>Implying they could know it was the mosquitoes living in ponds and not, say, evil spirits following them everywhere.

>>2981308
>Do you really fucking believe this?
Fine, then you explain it. Why did society resoundingly reject your ideology?

>>2972610
Guns, germs and steel. That's why Europe thrives anyways. Also due to the size of Africa and the large patches of uninhabitable terrain, there were many little communities that each developed on their own. In Europe or China if one guy invented something everyone knew within a few years. In Africa? No way for that technology to travel. Same happened with Native Americans, Aborigines, and Pacific Islanders.


Economically, the land and resources were a bonus. Diamonds aren't actually that rare, and weren't that valuble until recently. On fact many of Africa's resources are only modern now. At least not as valuble as gold for example.


I feel if Africa had longer before being interferred with by Arabs, Turks and Europeans it would have seen some more established nationa and more success.


By the way, it's not like Africa had no successful states.

>>2976957
It really does. Looks like the superstition mountains in the background

>>2979914
>Doesn't receive typhoons, hurricanes, tornadoes, monsoons.
Atlantic countries do receive hurricanes, plus there's plenty of natural disasters in Europe. Two of the 15 most dangerous stratovolcanos in the world (Vesuvius and Etna) are in Europe, the Santorini eruptions likely wiped out an entire civilization, the Messina tsunami killed 200 000 people when it happened, Lisbon was completely wiped out by a tsunami in 1755 and had to be rebuilt from scratch, Byzantine empire was routinely getting skullfucked by earthquakes and plagues, the Dutch had to build an elaborate series of dykes so they wouldn't literally drown, Norway and the UK is constantly subjected to deadly storms, Iceland is a heavily active volcanic area, etc.

Your excuses are shitty, faggot.

>>2972661
>diamond is a metal meme

It's a mineral you daft cunt

>>2972661
>nigger unable to comprehend the concept of currency and trade

>>2981302
Blacks are stupid anon just say it already thats the real reason they were always behind. The blacks have existed on earth before the FUCKING PRE-INDO-ERUOPEANS yet somehow we the most recent branch of our species beat them in the game of advancing ourselves.

Look at rural Africa and see exactly why they cant advance, these people are incomprehensibly dumb and have almost nonexistent attention spans along with a compulsion to commit sadistic violence at a hairflip.

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>>2981792
Why do you types think that discrediting one factor among many magically makes the others disappear? Why are you people incapable of holistic responses? Even if everything you said was true the other factors I mentioned would help Europe and rebuild much easier than Africans would be able to. But to go down your list:

Vesuvius destroyed one city, once. Etna destroyed only 10 small villages in its most destructive episode. Santrorini is on a tiny island in the middle of the ocean far from the mainland. Messina is notable for a reason (that shit ain't common). Also you should note that all of these things existed in the poorer undeveloped parts of Europe so if you are trying to claim that Europeans persisted despite natural disaster then I would find different examples.

Lisbon is one city, since knowledge was diffused across the country, it can easily be rebuilt. Again, it was special for a reason.

Byzantium is also along the most profitable trade route in human history and was in a great spot to receive all of the advances made between the muslims and Europe. Earthquakes don't happen every season for months on end like monsoons do and they don't do as much damage to food production the most important part of civilization. The plagues were again, special for a reason. Therese a difference between receiving a few large plagues and having disease as the background radiation to the region. You will also notice that it lagged behind enough to get stomped by the Ottomans and is less developed than the rest of Europe, the factors you mentioned did affect it but they weren't as strong as the problems in Africa and they had a lot of benefits to help them along.

>>2981792
>>2981929
Cont.
The Dutch were established before flood control was necessary, they only needed it to expand their pool of arable land. It wasn't an existential threat and they had enough existing resources to tackle it at their leisure.

>Norway and the UK is constantly subjected to deadly storms, Iceland is a heavily active volcanic area, etc.
And who had to have civilization introduced to them from outside forces? Forces I should mention, didn't reach subsaharan Africa.

>>2981929
Santorini is the reason why Minoans perished.

>>2981944
But there are also enough surrounding civilizations to pick up the slack, and knew enough of what they knew to pick up where they left off. In Africa, if a people make an advancement then travel and trade is so fucked that it doesn't diffuse and if that tribe is destroyed then that knowledge is irrevocably lost. Europeans have the luxury of the continent and Mediterranean being stable enough and amenable to trade, so that if there is a disaster there is a safety net in that at least one other nation will maintain the existing knowledge base. In Africa things can't diffuse as easily due to highly difficult to traverse terrain and unreliable climates for civilization building, and that safety net is gone.

The Minoans got fucked but Egyptians, Levantines, and Anatolians, could keep Mediteraniean civilization going past the death of any individual culture.

>>2981876
>blacks have existed on earth before the FUCKING PRE-INDO-ERUOPEANS

what the fuck is this even supposed to mean?

also
>going for the easy answers

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>>2981934
>And who had to have civilization introduced to them from outside forces? Forces I should mention, didn't reach subsaharan Africa.
Why are yall still talking to a retard that doesn't know shit about Africa?

>>2982055
Well my hope is not that we can convince the dipshit. It's more for those who may be more towards the center and might be feeling the pull towards /pol/ but aren't committed yet. You can't fix /pol/tards but you can help people who may become /pol/tards in the future in the absence of opposing viewpoints.

>>2981990
Negros are the oldest human branch on our planet because they not long are in our ancestral homeland Africa but they also literally look like paleolithic hominids.

Since the nigger was the first of our races it means the nigger has had a very very very very fucking long time to civilize long before us caucasoid and mongoloid showed up in 54,000 B.C yet just recently did Caucasoids and Mongoloids civilize while the ancient Congoid of Africa is still living like his ancestor in 200,000 B.C.

>>2972958
>and then the arabs/brits/french/germans/turks/romans/carthaginians decided to cut out the middle man and just take everything from me

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>>2982263
Do you think white people just appeared out of the ether without any relation to the existing human population?

>>2982263
>Negros are the oldest human branch on our planet

Wrong. The Khoisan and Pygmies have been around longer than "Negroes", much longer in fact. And yes, despite coming from Africa, they are in fact different races.

>because they not long are in our ancestral homeland Africa but they also literally look like paleolithic hominids.

Since when are Africans Abbos? They look like "Paleolithic hominids" as much as you, as Homo sapiens is around 200,000 years old. What, does having larger brow ridges and hairier bodies make Europeans/Middle Easterners more primitive too? Of course not. By the way, "Congoid" is a stupid term, as they didn't come from the Congo, they came from Eastern Africa.

>>2980413
4 SCOOPS C'MON

This place is like /pol 5yrs ago, minus the natsoc threads

Africans have IQ's 20+ points lower than those of the western world. Why? Much to speculate on, but the evidence of failure is there

Continent is a joke, SA is a good example of letting them govern themselves

>>2983898
>Continent is a joke, SA is a good example of letting them govern themselves
Are we going to ignore that quality of life has been for the most part despite setbacks, steadily improving since the end of colonialism? Also how come you people can only seem to name two African countries (South Africa and Zimbabwe)?

>>2983928
Cause they know nothing about Africa but they still need to give their opinion on everything.

>>2972958
>Be Bushman circa 2000 B.C.
>I find a shiny rock
>I can trade this rock to people thousands of miles away who I have no contact with

There is nothing wrong with mud hut. It is easy to build, easy to maintain and it doesn't ruin ecology.

>ITT: Mostly idiots.

/pol/posting should be a bannable offense on this board.

>this fucking thread

Gas all retarded polturds asap

>>2981324
They knew that living near water got you sick and that certain kids die of certain illness randomly (sickle cell).

You know how leeches helped deal with a certain genetic disease in certain euro populations?

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>>2974555
>>2979949
>>2979985
I understand this is the designated bait thread, but why is the arbitrary BCE/CE dating system any worse than the one based off a man that only 30% of the world worship?

>>2979914
tfw god loves us more

>>2983364
Hahaha epik meme XDDD!

>>2972610
Resource Curse

>>2985228
Fuck off you butthurt retard.

>>2972612
WE

>>2983928
Because SA and Zim are two examples of the quality of life dropping dramatically once control was "given back" to the natives.

>>2972836
>a sandcastle
"s-so w-w-w-what?"
t. you

>>2972610
The winter theory makes sense for me. When it's warm year long you have no initiative to develop new technologies to survive when living in mud huts and following animals is ez.

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>>2974921
europe is the best place to live in.
water everywhere and arable land comes with it

>>2985313
This theory is stupid. It's directly disproved by the fact that civilization originated from warm climates (The Nile, Mesopotamia, Indus valley, etc.)

>>2984770
Because Christianity is one half of our hydro-Christian values

>>2980292
Almost like the Germanics did that and became Europeans, whilst the celts did that then got fenocided

>>2987127
>be in these regions
>food only grow here
>tonnes of people move here to grow food
>we need protectors so they don't nick our food
>yay warriors and bodyguards
>oh shit tribe leader
>oh yay king
>oh yay war with other tribe to make them give us grain
>ph no death
>oh yay civilisation

>>2987127
How cold are they during the night

>>2972837
Namibia's a nice place actually.
Lots of cute halfies too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z20t8IMNds

>>2990307
I find that funny she has to say that lol.