Why doesn't Capitalism get the blame for the billions of

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>>2957898

Japanese Imperialism:
Japanese Occupation of East Timor 70,000
Japanese Bombing of China 71,105
Japanese Massacre of Singapore 100,000
Japanese Germ Warfare in China 200,000
Japanese Democides 5,964,000

British Imperialism:
Second Boer War 75,000
Irish Potato Famine 1,500,000
The Bengal Famine of 1943 10,000,000
British Occupation of India 20,000,000
Famine in Held British India 30,000,000

>>2957898
because political actors don't seize power in an attempt to implement capitalism.

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>>2957898
>>2957904

Misc. Capitalist nations:
Massacre of the Paris Commune 20,000
Dutch East Indies 25,000
Somali Child Famine Deaths 29,000
228 Massacre 30,000
French Madagascar 80,000
Indonesian Anti-Communist Purges 1965-1966 1,000,000
Philippine Insurrection 220,000
Franco Regime 300,000
Benito Mussolini regime 300,000
Rebelling Shia Killed by Saddam 300,000
Nanking Massacre 300,000
Spanish Civil War 400,000
Mussolini’s Ethiopia 700,000

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>>2957898
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>>2957908

Palestinians Killed by Israel 1947-2002 826,626
Nigerian Civil War 1,000,000
Stateless Capitalist Somalia 1,000,000
Iraq-Iran War 1,000,000
Rawandan Genocide 1,000,000
Belgian Congo Colonization 10,000,000
Feudal Russia 1,066,000
First Indochina 1946-1954 1,750,000
Khmer Rouge (not communist) 2,035,000
South African Apartheid 3,500,000
Chiang Kai Shek regime (China) 7,000,000
Congo 1886-1908 8,000,000
Nazi Holocaust 12,000,000
Post-Soviet Capitalism in Russia 1,500,000
World War One 16,500,000
World War Two 60,000,000

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>>2957898
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>>2957912

General Disasters by Capitalism:
Hamburg Cholera Outbreak 1892 10,000
Union Carbide Bophal Disaster 15,000
Industrial Revolution Kids & Adults USA 100,000
Chetnik Collaboration & Genocide 100,000
Herero and Namaqua Genocide 110,000
Burma-Siam Railroad Construction 116,000
Albanian Genocide 270,000
Fascist Independent State of Croatia 900,000
Armenian Genocide 1,500,000
Famine of 1932-33 (Kulak policy and weather) 7,000,000
Great Depression (America alone) 12,000,000
Children Killed by Preventable Diseases Since 9/11 208,000,000
Children Killed by Hunger 2001-2008 9/11 235,000,000
Children Died from Hunger 2009 5,256,000
Children Died from Hunger 2010 6,000,000
Children Killed by Hunger during the 1990s 100,000,000
Capitalist Policy in India 1947 – 1990 120,000,000

>>2957898
It does. But the concept behind capitalism is to accept these deaths and make profit from them.

>>2957898
>US Aggression on Latin America
Anti-imperialist defensive intervention against communism, against Soviet imperialism, against Cuban imperialism. For freedom.
You mention lots of conflicts and repressions that you arbitrarily attribute to capitalism. Feudal Russia capitalist? Seriously? Nazi Holocaust? Palestinians killed by Israel?

>>2957898
>US made famine in Bangladesh

Paki detected

wtf I hate capitalism now

>>2957928
>Feudal Russia capitalist? Seriously? Nazi Holocaust? Palestinians killed by Israel?

You'll have to elaborate why you feel these are unreasonable because I don't get your point other than "wahhhh it's not Capitalism's fault".

>>2957947
Its the same logic that is used to count the number killed by communism.

Difference is, capitalism also makes people rich and have plenty, meanwhile the alternatives in the 20th century turned into brutal pseudo-versions of capitalism that just couldn't stop killing and oppressing people, and letting them starve while they were doing it.

>>2957951
>Its the same logic that is used to count the number killed by communism

Exactly.

>>2957917
>Armenian Genocide 1,500,000
Wat

>>2957898
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>>2957917
Those are all examples of corporatism not capitalism.

>>2957898
>not mentioning the south american wars that were actually caused by us capitalist intervention

You are a dumb memer

>>2957947
Feudal Russia wasn't capitalist, the very word 'feudal' should give you an idea. Holocaust was carried by National Socialists. And as far as I know, the killing of Palestinians carried by Israel isn't about Palestinians wanting to abolish capitalism.
Dummie.

It does, but capitalism was never supposed to be a moral system. It is quite indifferent to who prospers and who suffers. Anti-capitalists have claimed their alternatives are more moral, but justify, defend, and deny all the evils wrought by them.

>>2957987
And nationalists wasn't about communism but it still gets counted in the total.
>>2957993
The only way to do a fair analysis is to sum up the total suffering endured and prevented by either system and see which comes out as "better".

Because capitalism wasn't the driving ideology behind these deaths. For communism to "succeed" it had to commit the killings that it did. Capitalism would have stood stronger without allocating time, resources and man power involved with the killings you've mentioned. It's one of the reasons free market libertarians are anti war for the most part.

>>2957917
>Fascist Independent State of Croatia
Ah yes, when the Croats started WW4 to implement world capitalism

>>2958001
>And nationalists wasn't about communism but it still gets counted in the total.
What are you saying?

>>2958005
That's arguable. If capitalisms' misallocation of funds leads to children starving or dying from preventable diseases why shouldn't they be seen as necessary deaths for capitalism to work?

Because under capitalism, I you die it's your own damn fault not the government's

>>2958020
So its a child's fault they starved to death or got malaria or yellow fever?

>>2958014
Because most of the dying children are in Nations that are not capitalist. Governments, mainly in Africa, are bought and paid for by local militias and domestic industrial cartels for the most part. Their lack of morality in employing child labor at point of gun is not the fault of capitalism as much as it is the negligence of agency by the respective governments. The influence of the free market is so strong that now consumers are refusing to purchase from these suppliers causing corporations to move away from them, it's one of the reason coffee and chocolate prices are on an upward trend. If anything, embracing free market principles has helped solve the issue.

>>2957898
Because people aren't sent to gulags for not being a good enough capitalist.

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Of the few examples that were intentional and the fault of governments of predominantly capitalist countries, the fault lies with a few politicians and a few hypothetical plutocrats influencing them, not every person who so much as set up an orange stand. Even if we assume being a capitalist society influenced these governments and how they responded to a situation like cold war Indonesia, their actions were not all that terrible considering flawed fallible humans without the gift of foresight were at the helm

The idealists would do nothing and feel smug, but in the real world we would have sat back and watched as the Soviet Union or China marched in and engineered a totalitarian communist dictatorship that would no doubt also be responsible for a large death toll.

What could they do? The US could not change Indonesia overnight, they might oust a dictator but the socio-economic structures would remain largely unchanged and another one would arise. It is not like the US decided "Indonesia should be a dictatorship now" and it magically became that way with a sprinkle of CIA fairy dust.

With this in mind it should be obvious what the US could and couldn't do. They couldn't turn Indonesia into a utopian democracy overnight, but they could support political factions that allowed peace and stability and weren't complete loose cannons that would turn Indonesia into North Korea 2: Electric Boogaloo. They did just this, mistakes were made, but Indonesia eventually transitioning to democracy with a minimum of bloodshed after the cold war.

God Bless the United States of America

>listing all of these events without justifying their relations to capitalism and why it is to blame for causing them
fucking dumb shitposter

>>2957898
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>>2957917
>literally just grabbing every singe war ever and pretending this is a result of capitalist ideology
Lmao, why are commietards so dumb?

Capitalism doesn't exist as a political movement the way communism does.

Blaming all those deaths on capitalism, the private ownership of the means of production, makes as much sense as blaming them on plumbing.

>>2957898
>US concentration camps of germans
top fucking kek
none of these have anything to do with capitalism, besides maybe the african slave trade (and there weren't 150,000,000 deaths due to it), and all of these numbers are grossy overexaggerated.

>>2958435
War is a system by witch the ruling elites try to protect their own interests and enrich themselves. Ultimately when the revolution comes and a worldwide communist government is established there will be no more wars.
>>2958445
No its not. Stop being facetious.

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>>2958479
>Ultimately when the revolution comes and a worldwide communist government is established there will be no more wars.

There is no reason to believe that. War predates capitalism, it will probably outlast it.

>>2958479
>Ultimately when the revolution comes and a worldwide communist government is established there will be no more wars.
You're so cute

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>>2957898
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>>2957917
It gets worse, op. Take a look at this data. Literally billions of people (maybe even more) are dying each year and it's all because of capitalism,

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>>2957898
>children still trying to defend communism

How cute.

>>2958568
>billions of people every year
>10+x the global birth rate dying each year
wut

>>2957898
Fuck off, I was born in the middle/upper middle class, I am not giving shit to anyone. Ask me again after being reincarnated in the poor class.

>>2957928
People assimilating an ideologgy isnt imperialism. Coups and puppet police states are imperialism,

>>2957917
Do you have a source for:

>Great Depression (America alone) 12,000,000

>>2957928
>Cuban Imperialism
top lel
>Latin American right wing dictatorships
>for freedom

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>>2958005
>Because capitalism wasn't the driving ideology behind these deaths. For communism to "succeed" it had to commit the killings that it did. Capitalism would have stood stronger without allocating time, resources and man power involved with the killings you've mentioned. It's one of the reasons free market libertarians are anti war for the most part.

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>>2958983
wrong image

>>2958479
>War is a system by which the ruling elites try to blah blah blah. Ultimately when the poor people start a war and win they won't make more wars because [I have no argument].

>>2958479
War is intrinsic to humanity you fucking retard

This thread rules.

Nazis were capitalists, and were bankrolled by capitalists. Anyone who disagree with this is a fucking dope. Social democracy is not communism.

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>>2957898
>US Concentration Camps of Germans 1,000,000

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Daily reminder that if you support capitalism 100% so much, you ought to support globalism.

Remember: all those people losing their jobs did so because of competition. You should not protect those people.

The premises of this thread are ridiculous, it's sad people take propaganda as fact when they could easily use their brain to figure out how dumb some statements are.

National socialism didn't cause the Holocaust, the (National Socialist)German government caused it. Communism didn't cause the Holodomor, the (Communist) Soviet Union caused it. Democracy didn't cause African Slave Trade, the (Democratic) United States caused it.

Take away the words in brackets and it's the same thing. Those aren't crimes committed by ideologies, because ideologies don't commit crimes. Governments do, and their ideology doesn't matter as long as the government prospers. Hitler didn't invade Europe for the sake of National Socialism, Stalin didn't fight the nazis so that communism prevails, and the Cold War wasn't fought in order to prove one ideology is better than another, it was fought to increase the spheres of influence of the USSR and the US because they both wanted to be the strongest superpower.

Ideologies aren't the killers, they're the weapons used to kill others, little more than tools governments take in order to control their people and achieve their goals.

>>2959205
I don't. Capitalism is a tool, it mostly runs itself so it's superior to s state ideology, but every now and then it needs to be yanked back on its chain a little to keep in line.

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>>2959193
Hilarious the "socialists" are capitalist and the "capitalists" are socialist.

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>>2957898
>US Bombing of Yugoslavia 300,000
where did you get that number, you lying commie fuck?

>>2957898
Benefits outweigh costs compared to socialism (faci, comm, neo)

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>>2959226
cont

>>2958570
>There are only two economical ideologies
American education.

>>2957898
>Capitalism is an economic system and an ideology based on private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.

Because it has nothing to do with politics, it just means you are allowed to own stuff for the work you do so pretty much "normal" state of thigs.

It is not an ideology.

>>2957898
Because you're just listing random events and blaming a vague system of economics.

>>2957951
no, those deaths happened because of the explicit intent of implementing communism. Almost none of the above have anything with the implementation of capitalism, Famines aren't equivalent either (except the Irish potato famine), since they did not block food aid. The USSR however did block food aid to Ukraine, nagotiating away that blockade is part of what got Nansen the Nobel Peace Prize.

Most of these cases are ideological or political faction power plays, the profit incentive or laizze faire economics are not a causal factor. The native american genocide is particularly absurd as a peace teraty is broken the second you raid a town.

>>2957898
The price of progress my friend

>>2958802
Propping up guerrillas to impose communist regimes which always turn out to be police states by the way is pretty fucking imperialistic, isn't it? I wouldn't call oppressive communist regimes (redundant concept) "people assimilating an ideology".
Coups and puppet police states are such whether right-wing or left-wing.

>>2958990
See what I the previous part of my post. Also, what point are you trying to make with that image?

>>2959166
Calling National SOCIALISM capitalistic won't make it capitalistic. Wall Street capitalists financed the Bolsheviks by the way, dumbo.

>>2959689
What I said in the*

>>2957906
>what is the French revolution
Do you have a single brain cell, man?

>>2957993
>capitalism is quite indifferent to who prospers and who suffers
>implying capitalism is not a system conceived by, operated by, and upheld by human beings who have self-interested motives and biases
>implying tax loopholes, corporate subsidies, unlivable minimum wages, unpayable higher education costs, etc. are done by "muh egalitarian system" and not by the people who have the power in capitalism

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>>2958123
mfw

>>2957898
>US Concentration Camps of Germans 1,000,000
Never happened
back to /pol/ buddy

>>2958445
Capitalism doesn't exist as a political movement for you because you're not living in the 18th and 19th centuries. Believe me, there were definitely some political battles and mass violence associated with transitioning from feudalism to capitalism. See: the French revolution.

>>2959689
>national SOCIALISM
What are you trying to say? That appearances, and above all, NAMES accurately portray reality every time?

ebin lel xd

>>2957898
dam id COLONIZE her ifykwim

>>2957906
>What the fuck is colonialism

>>2960349
capitalism is not a "system"
captialism is derogatory term invented to describe the outcomes of free trade

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>>2960506
>protectionism is free trade

>>2957898
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>>2957917
You're a fucking retard, I wanted to point out where you were wrong, but there's too many things to point out.

Capitalism is about markets, about profits and transanctions. It has nothing to do with conflicts and wars globally. It may be true that there are times corporate interests have or find motive promoting a war but it is severely retarded to even imply the fact they cause war themselves. Wars are caused by states trying to dominate for whatever reasons, economic being the last of them since wars cost hell of a lot, so no, capitalism didn't kill anybody you historically and economically illiterate shithead.

>>2960324
>French Revolution
Changed the system from monarchy to a sort of representative republic. The economic system was not changed.

>>2960468
Something that is hardly exclusive to capitalism, and predated it for quite a while.

>>2957977
>Not real capitalism!
Can't make this shit up

>>2960547
>states trying to dominate
>b-but, it's not about money!
What the fuck is it about, then?

>>2959210

But the Cerebus of Capitalism will whine and whimper to your descendants. And no matter what, you can't entirely the ponzi schemes of western society.

Imagine looking at chimpanzees who are able to sign language something along the lines of "Join us!". Any human would laugh. What will genetically engineered generations laugh at?


Will they merely laugh at the rentiers and the transparent bullshit games? Or will they sick Cerebus on their Cronus so that they can, unlike previous generation, devour Cronus and smash his reign?

Remember, human history hasn't really happened yet. What happens to a world picture with multiples, of current cognitive frames, focused on surveying the desolation?

Cronus devoured by his own children with no sentimentality.

>>2959689
So they implemented police states so that they wouldn't (maybe) end up being police states?

>>2957906
It has seized power in order to prevent the rise of communism. And in doing so purposefully established opressive governments (see latin america)

>>2957898
delicious copy pasta

>>2958570
Americans are such cucks that they believe that their workplace explotation is natural

Why would you defend capitalism as a middle class worker?

>>2959248
Who are you quoting?

>>2957898
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>>2957908
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>>2957917
not real capitalism

>>2957898
I will defend it in the same way l*ftists defend communism.
It wasnt real capitalism obviously.

>>2960506
We've never had totally free trade.

>>2961634
agreed

Unlike socialism and fascism, capitalism is not and ideology neither a political system.

Blaming it for deliberate atrocities is not logical. You would even have to include those crimes commited by the state under communist regimes such as the USSR, since its economy was basically a model of state capitalism where informal money exchange represented 40% or half of it.

This pitiful list is another attempt to antagonize (marxist) communism and capitalism. A dysfunctional regime and unattainable theory and the established economic system for at least three centuries.

Wall Street funded bolshevism and it is plentifully documented.

Ain't fooling no one, marxist.

>>2961236
Because class mobility is a nice thing to have. All anyone has to do to move up from the working class is save money and work overtime. Notice how rarely pipe welders bitch about capitalism compared to humanities students.

>>2960720
Is about conquest. That has to do with power and influence, not money. Any cost-benefit analysis will find that there is not a single war in which even the victor won more money than he spent.

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>>2957898
Nice meme. Is that info from maoist faggot news?

>>2964343
Oh, fancy that. Another utopian bright idea. The reason we have resource surpluses is precisely because the capitalist working class is willing to work long hours to save for a better future. If it weren't for their hard work, all that shit goes away.

It certainly beats the hell out of the neo-feudalism that the socialists would inevitably build, where only the friends and families of the bureaucratic class would have access to anything. I'll take the system where I can build a fortune with a fucking website.

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WTF I HATE WHITE PEOPLE NOW!!

>>2959282
>you are allowed to own stuff for the work you do
>mr. noseberg build all those machines and buildings belonging to his company

>>2958986
Some shitbag being tortured by brutal dudes. Why even post this?

>>2965061
Mr noseberg is clearly a productive person. I hope some envious assholes wont rob him him of his accomplishes.

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stahp fighting over currency and resources omg humanity

>>2965492
Owning producion capital and giving other people the ''privilege'' to let them use it to make you money isn't being productive

>>2957898
>fails to mention massive population increase due to industrialization and scientific advancement spurred on by capitalism

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>>2957898
sage
no historical discussion
no humanities relation
desperatly trying to shill /his because they think we are not as extreme as /pol we will be easier to persuade.
>When making a fucking thread make sure its got something to do with either history or humanities
>dont just fucking make mass blank baseless assumptions about what you dont know about nor do you care to look into since you only have one fucking goal to try and push your political agenda.
>I say this as someone who doesnt like capitalism
Fucking christ you make us look bad.

>>2965515
Which also happened in the USSR.

>>2965476
It's a picture from the Indonesian invasion of East Timor. East Timor became independent from Portugal in the 70s and the US financed the Indonesian dictatorship in its subsequent invasion. About a third of the East Timorese population was killed.

>>2965476
Forgot to mention that it was because the Timorese elected a mildly left leaning President.

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>Heh the US are pretty scummy amirite? capitalism is shit yanno kiddo, look at all these facts
>*crickets*
>I SAID CAPITALISM IS BAD!
>*one guy casually walks by* why?
>Look at all these deaths, bet your pretty angry I`m destroying your beloved US of A.
>Deaths? thats what your using as evidence?
>Yep. Dont cry.
>I dont care about them *walks away*
>B-B-B-B-BUH THE US SUCKS HAHAHA
>*from a distance* I`m not even an American
>*goes to /leftypol/* ha guys I did it I won.