>Say Italy wasn't in the wrong in WWII >"What?!

>>2953776
what they did in ethiopia was wrong

what they did in greece was wrong

what they did in france was wrong

what they did in albania was wrong

what they did in libya was wrong

>>2953792
name a state that has never done anything wrong

>>2953776
>"We sided with he communists.
The soviet union destroyed the third reich.

>>2953809
The Soviet Union was a distraction that used American lend lease that helped America destroy the Third Reich.

>>2953776
because communist genocide is sooooo much more tolerant than fascist

>>2953776
>we were in the wrong as well so they werent in the wrong
???????????

>>2953804
don't move the goalposts, italy was in the wrong in ww2

>>2953776
Define wrong

>>2953830
i would say that yeah theyre in the wrong, but comparing them to nazis or communists is bullshit

>>2953830
Just because they did wrong things does not make them I'm the wrong. Britain did wrong things during WW2 but only Eternal Anglo shitposters claim they were in the wrong during WW2.

>>2953853
>Just because they did wrong things does not make them I'm the wrong.
in this case it certainly does

>>2953839
England, Germany, Russia, Japan, China
All were in the wrong and massacred civilians for sport with no tactical motivation in mind.

The English lied to two different allied countries about defending them and let them fall, then bombed hundreds of thousands of women and children for no strategic gain. The Germans culled the mentally and physically ill and waged a war of total aggression. The Russians raped millions and took over countries while massacring the locals. The Japanese tried to make Asia Asia by making Asia Japan and ethnically cleansed local populations to do so. The Chinese were communists and Chinese.

Italy was only sided with the Axis to protect the Italian people, just as America was only sided with the Russians to win WWII. These are two of the few countries that did not have an aggressive, blood thirsty motif in their actions.

>>2953804
Plenty of states that did nothing wrong, also plenty of states that did *nothing* from a geopolitical standpoint.

In this thread what begs the question though is "was italy in the right" during ww2 and here when confronted with things it did "wrong" from a generalist viewpoint the correct reaction isn't, "well other people did it tooooooo". As it doesnt actually refute the point made, merely admits the normality of the immorality and simultaneously ends the previously established discussion regarding the "rightness" of Italy during ww2.

>>2953839
People i disagree with.

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>>2953776
Just accept and own up to it Luigi, there's no need for backpedaling and revisionism. We have our very own Cheeto Benito as well.

>>2953868
youre literally arguing semantics though, every organisation and society in history has done wrong things, or else it wouldn't be in history. The degree to which it was wrong is what needs to be discussed. Saying that there is a perfect state that never did anything wrong is a coping mechanism for idealists

>>2953887
>or else it wouldn't be in history.
It's history if it's recorded for posterity not if it accomplishes some arbitrary standard you or some equally arbitrary institution sets.

As to the rest of your post, no.

>>2953900
i mean id agree with you if you can name a single state that hasnt done something that can be construed as wrong

>>2953910
Host of pacific island states, states that existed for very short periods, unrecognized states, new states until they do.

And lets not forget you in your youthful faggotry decided to hyperbole and throw in EVERY society and organization in all of history which could include my grandmas community center sewing circle if I wanted.

>>2953776

We didn't side with the Communists, the Nazis put the Communists on our side by invading them you stupid fucking nigger.

The Italians sided with the Nazis AND the Communists in 1940. Remember the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact? Where the heroic anticomintern pact gave half of Eastern Europe to Stalin?

Fuck me you fascist apologists are morons.

>>2953868
>Plenty of states that did nothing wrong
Such as?

>>2953956
>We didn't side with the Communists, the Nazis put the Communists on our side by invading them you stupid fucking nigger.
nice revisionism.

>>2953979
States that did *nothing* from a geopolitical standpoint.

>>2953776

>communism is bad

Nice American propaganda.

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>>2953956

>being this wrong

Uncle Joe says hi

>>2953792
>what they did in albania was wrong
But they didn't do anything in Albania, except escape an assassination attempt.

>>2953990
So the Sudanese genocide of darfur is okay because it did "nothing" from a geopolitical standpoint?

>>2954016
No

>>2953875
>Just accept and own up to it Luigi

They never will because they will always point fingers at Germany. Same with Polish involvement and collaboration in WW2 because in both countries revolve a large amount of their identity and rhetoric around perceived innocence.

>>2954047
So your point was incorrect?

>>2954002

You mean the Uncle Joe who was Hitler's best buddy for three years?

Italy sided with Germany by choice, not due to an ongoing war thrust upon them. OP's argument is a baffling false equivalency made stupider by the fact that Italy's alliance with Germany meant effectively siding with Stalin given the disposition of conquered Poland.

>>2954086
>You mean the Uncle Joe who was Hitler's best buddy for three years?
Bullshit. They had an uneasy allaince, hated each others guts and knew they were going to war one day.
>Italy sided with Germany by choice
Not exactly. They weren't prepared for a war and wished to avoid it but sanctions against them by the international community forced them to pick a side. Mussolini was furious when Hitler annexed Austria and wanted it as a buffer state. Most Italians didn't really care for the German nation.

>>2953830
I can move the goalposts if I damn well please, fucker!!

Italy was basically just wanting to expand colonially just like every other major european power had did in the previous 100 years. But because they were later than the others they were evil.

Mussolini was an idiot for joining with the eternal hun, that was his only mistake.

>>2954006
I used to work with an Albanian lady. She got upset when she found out I enjoyed snapper turtle soup
"eating turtles! you are as bad as the Italians!" she said.
she also assured me that Germans are cruel and Greeks are haughty

>>2953776
Cooperation between Italy and Germany was on another level than the between United states and Union of councils.

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>>2953776
Il Duce's only wrongdoing was siding with Germany

>>2954084
No

>>2954111
>But because they were later than the others they were evil.

Have you seen the shit they did in their colonies?

>>2953776
we didnt side with the communists because they were our BFFs. just happens nazis declared war on everyone.

>>2953943
>literally who states

my god

>>2954209
Building roads and stuff? Yeah. Have you seen what Belgium did in Congo?

>>2954284
Seriously don't be "that" anon. We don't need Duceboos being a thing

>>2953804
Israel

>>2954293
Not an argument, friendo.

>>2953804
America

>>2953804
Finland.

>>2953804
Sweden

>>2953804
Italy

>>2953804
Ireland

>>2954098
Mussolini forced his own hands.

>Attack Ethiopia with the excuse to end slavery, officially kinda do but unofficially don't
>Can't even win without resorting to gas like a cheating cunt just because they did not have them.
>WOW how was I supposed to know the Society of Nations would be mad at me
>Sanctions

>>2953776

>in the wrong

they went full retard

you can call that ''wrong'' if it helps you understand things

>>2953804

>san marino

prove me wrong

>>2956052
By simply existing they've done the world wrong.

>>2956121
They're Jews

>>2956401

they were founded by people from rab

>>2953865
>Italy was only sided with the Axis to protect the Italian people, just as America was only sided with the Russians to win WWII. These are two of the few countries that did not have an aggressive, blood thirsty motif in their actions.

You are a fucking moron. Protect the guineas from who exactly? The Ethiopians they aggressively invaded? The Libyans, who were ethnically cleansed by Italian bloodlust? The Albanian state? Greece, just hanging out aggressively minding its own business?

Fuck you, you should be fucking shot you fascist sympathizing worm

>>2953804
The UK

>>2953776
more than wrong, they lost
the losing side is always wrong

Nazism is literally natonalist socialism i dont get how different siding with socialism is to nazism as a scapegoat

>>2953804
Canada

>>2956649
>Americans learn that "Nazi" is shortened National socialist
>Now they think that Nazism is "literally natonalist socialism"

>>2954146
yes hahah that's always what my commie grandma says

>>2956539
>The Libyans, who were ethnically cleansed by Italian bloodlust?
Mussolini considered the Berbers to be Italians you retard.

>>2956401
It was founded by a guy fleeing religious persecution in the 4th century

>>2956653
>Japanese internment
>Residential schools
>Electing weedman

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>ctrl+f
>no rab concentration camp

>>2956653
All Canadians are unironically subhuman therefore a sin and wrong

>>2954284

Belgium and Italy don't even have a land border.

>>2956939
Made me think

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>>2954319
Not even close
>>2956028
Absolutely
>>2956040
No
>>2956048
cuckoo
>>2956051
almost
>>2956052
Nope
>>2956540
Slightly

>>2953804
Germany

>>2954123
Well she wasn't wrong.

>>2953956
>>2953956
>Where the heroic anticomintern pact gave half of Eastern Europe to Stalin?

And later western "freedom fighters" gave half of Europe to uncle joe. Wow, such heroic.

>>2954234
Yeah, giving half of Europe to commies surely equals to non-friendly relations. But it's not suprising, considering FDR's administration was full of soviet agents and basically Stalin's puppet

>>2957198
if anyone planned that it was hitler

>>2956121
He held the laces in on the kick heard round the world
That was wrong

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Rhodesia literally did nothing wrong

>>2956672
With the Pacification of Libya initiated in response to a major rebellion by indigenous Libyans against Italian colonial rule, there were mass deaths of the indigenous people in Cyrenaica - one quarter of Cyrenaica's population of 225,000 people died during the conflict.[26] Italy committed major war crimes during the conflict; including the use of illegal chemical weapons, episodes of refusing to take prisoners of war and instead executing surrendering combatants, and mass executions of civilians.[27] Italian authorities committed ethnic cleansing by forcibly expelling 100,000 Bedouin Cyrenaicans, almost half the population of Cyrenaica, from their settlements that was slated to be given to Italian settlers.[28][29]

The Italian occupation also reduced the number of livestock by killing, confiscation or driving the animals from their pastoral land to inhospitable land near the concentration camps.[30] Number of sheep fell from 810,000 in 1926 to 98,000 in 1933, goats from 70,000 to 25,000 and camels from 75,000 to 2,000.[30]

From 1930 to 1931 during the Pacification, 12,000 Cyrenaicans were executed and all the nomadic peoples of northern Cyrenaica were forcefully removed from the region and relocated to huge concentration camps in the Cyrenaican lowlands.[31] Tthe camps had poor sanitary conditions as the camps had an average of about 20,000 Beduoins together with their camels and other animals, crowded into an area of one square kilometre.[32] The camps held only rudimentary medical services, with the camps of Soluch and Sisi Ahmed el Magrun with an estimated 33,000 internees having only one doctor between them.[32] Typhus and other diseases spread rapidly in the camps as the people were physically weakened by meagre food rations provided to them and forced labour.[32] By the time the camps closed in September 1933, 40,000 of the 100,000 total internees had died in the camps.[32]

>>2957198

Remember when FDR partitioned Poland with the USSR? Neither do I.

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>>2957209
>if anyone planned that it was hitler

>FDR: I do not regard the Communists as any present or future threat to our country, in fact I look upon Russia as our strongest ally in the years to come. While I do not believe in Communism, Russia is far better off and the world is safer with Russia under Communism than under the Czars. Stalin is a great leader, and although I deplore some of his methods, it is the only way he can safeguard his government.
Also first pres who recognized Soviet Union as legal state. It seems hitler was just convenient excuse for flip-flopping commie in chief.

>>2957262
>Remember when FDR partitioned Poland with the USSR? Neither do I.

I remember when he sould us to his commie comrades. Great ally, we totally could count on him.

>>2957266

FDR died before the end of WW2, so he obviously didn't have an impact on post-WW2 negotiations because he was kinda dead at that point.

>>2957266
he didn't have impact in agreements with Stalin during conferences in Teheran and Yalta? lmao

>>2957271
>>2957292
for this

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>>2957228

>Implying anyone that invented pizza is evil

>>2953776
>Say Italy wasn't in the wrong in WWII
It was in almost every way. Dumb burger
t. Italian

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>>2953776

>When someone tries to cite the "holocaust" as fact

>>2953804
Italy

>>2953804
Everyone's favourite island, Australia. Failing that the forgotten islands of New Zealand.

>>2953865

Don't forget that the USA used 2 atomic bombs on 2 different Japanese cities. They remain the only country in the history of the world actually using nuclear weapons in any war.

>>2953804
Switzerland
New Zealand
Iceland

>>2953874
Underrated

>>2959206
The alternative was a land invasion which would've killed millions of Japanese and Americans alike. The Soviets might have also invaded which could have resulted in a split country like Germany. Not saying that the bombings weren't bad, but the alternative would have been a lot worse both for the present and for the future of Japan.
And the Japanese gov is partially at fault for ignoring the various ultimatums.

>>2953776
I hate Americans more with each passing day.

>>2957501
>t. Italian
Sure thing Jamal.

>>2959219
>Switzerland

The amount of jewish wealth still in Swiss vaults must be enormous

>>2953830
>don't move the goalposts
Oh sweet Jesus, could you be any more reddit if you tried?

>>2953804
Republic of Ireland

>>2959900
>Swiss accumulated no wealth on their own, it's all jewgold from WWII
Can you leave?

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>>2959191
>what is the Emu Field nuclear bombing
A bloody war crime, that's what. Yeah, Sunshine, I wouldn't have wanted to remember that in your place either.

>>2953776
Italy was on both sides...they were objectively in "the wrong" at some point

>>2953804

Texas

>>2962225
Fair retaliation for the Australian losses during the Emu war

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>>2953997
>Communism is good
Nice one 20 year old liberal arts major

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>>2956347
mad orangemen make me laugh
>>2956977
explain exactly what the republic of ireland have done wrong

>>2953804
Oman

>>2953817
Hahahahahahahahahaha *inhales* hahahahahahahaha!

>>2953817
>destroy

You mean inherit.

>>2953804
United Kingdom

>>2953804
Switzerland, the Confederacy, Nazi Germany, Rhodesia

>>2954319
Yeah exactly.

>>2956672
Just like Serbs consider Bosnians Serbs.

The Kulaks deserved it

>>2953776
>siding with communists
>not in the wrong
You must be legally retarded.