>religion tells us that (a) god(s) created life >scien

While I'm not religious myself, the phospho-lipid layers needed for a cell membrane have been demonstrated to form spontaneously.

>>2947378
Life is a complex phenomenon that is the byproduct of simpler phenomenon. Your just a thinking pile of organic acids, anon.

>>2947378
do you have an actual critique of any aspect of abiogenesis?

>>2947398
>spontaneous
Spits in the face of determinism.

>>2947378
"This cosmos was not created by gods or men, it was, is and will always be an everlasting fire, in measures being kindled and in measures going out." Herclitus. So he has thought that it was never created, but always was,etc.. That seems plausible to me, because there can´t be a "creatio ex nihilio" Every effect has a cause and every cause is an effect that has a cause too and so on. The postulation of a first cause lacks a foundation. Herclitus induced from what he had experienced and that´s the best we can do.

>>2947378
>With the big bang the universe is created
>The universe goes on to create the big bang that created the universe
>This causality loop continues forever
Is there anything wrong with what I just said?

>>2947667
Never been observed, never been tested, never happened, is absolutely foolish, and violates laws re spontaneous generation.

>>2947732
God created the universe; the cause of the universe's existence is the eternal God, who is not a created being but an eternal being.

You people think you're so smart, but next to God you're dirt.

>>2947753
Besides being utter rubbish and violating at least three scientific laws?

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>>2947775
which god are we talking here?

>>2947773
>Never been observed, never been tested
How do you propose we recreate the conditions of early Earth?

>Never happened
Go ahead and prove it, you'll be world famous in no time if you can.

>Violates laws
See above

>>2947773
Literally everything you said is wrong.

>>2947773
Never heard of the Miller-Urey experiments, huh? Because it has been observed and tested, you dunce.

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>>2947378
>Scientist says the earth revolves around the sun
>Religious man jails him for life

It takes a long time and lots of evidence to persuade the blinkered.

>>2947378
>it just popped into existence
Maybe you should actually read the article behind that link

>>2947678
Spontaneous doesn't mean "with no cause". Water flows downhill spontaneously.

>>2947775
Your hate against nonbelievers is against the word of your god. And "God created man in his own image", so if i am dirt than god is dirt.

>>2947678
Spontaneus does not mean without any cause or proper circomstance

>>2947954
Copernicus was also a priest

>>2947378
>There are some things in the Universe science doesn't fully understand yet
>This proves my bronze age fairy tale is 100% true and I mean the specific version my specific sect teaches.

Anything else OP?

>>2948003
The bible says the wold is flat,unless you take a very selective interpretation of it.

>>2948040
>take a very selective interpretation of it.
Who doesn't?

>>2948040
>bible says the world is flat

source?

>>2948054
People expecting a rational debate?

>>2948058
-Revelation 7:1 (KJV) "And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth"

Spheres don't have corners, and neither do circles.

>>2948058
Not him, but Revelation 7:1 says

>After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.

>>2948070
You funny guy.

>>2948075
Interesting, either Christians are that obtuse to discoveries in the classical era or that sentence is entirely symbolic

>>2947773
>Never been observed, never been tested, never happened, is absolutely foolish, and violates laws
That's also true for ''God did it''.

>>2947775
Never read that he (Yahweh) created Mars.
Overstepping your boundaries a bit?

>>2947378
>I quoted what the opponent said, but with a smug reaction image/laugh track/etc overtop, g-g-g-gotcha!
>I think my theory is the best one simply because it has the most explanatory weight

Guys I have a new theory of everything that can literally explain everything; the root cause of every event ever is gobbledygook. You literally can't prove me wrong, and it's the cause of everything so it has the most explanatory weight and leaves zero holes whatsoever, so you gotta believe in gobbledygook.

seriously, read Popper

>>2948527
FU
DO
RAH

>>2948075
That's so odd.

What are North, South, East and West then?

And how many angels do YOU think it takes to hold back the winds of the earth?

>>2947916
Of course. In a methane environment, in an intelligently designed experiment, they made some scorched alanine.

Alanine is not life.

And nobody followed up their work with any greater success.

>>2947831
There is only one God.

>>2947866
Since you cannot, you must take some different approach, or remain ignorant. Your choice.

>>2947897
Your statement is literally wrong.

>>2947965
>Water flows downhill spontaneously.
Bullshit. The water exists. It does not spontaneously generate and then obey gravity.

>>2947990
We're all dirt, clay in the hands of the potter.

And next to God, the potter, we're all dirt.

You must be looking very hard for hatred to see it there. God made Adam out of dirt, and he has not forgotten that fact.

>>2948132
Did God see God do it?

Then your statement is false.

>>2948075
Circles don't have corners and neither does the Earth lol
gotchya bitch

>>2948211
God created everything that was created, including Mars.

>>2948562
But this argument would be just as good for abiogenesis. If God saw Abiogenesis then it would be real?

>>2948555
I don't think you know what spontaneous means

>>2948545
Water, methane, ammonia, and hydrogen, actually, which was calculated to simulate early Earth conditions. Also irrelevant for purposes of abiogenesis.

>they made some scorched alanine.

And Glycine, and Aspartic acid, and some other stuff

>Alanine is not life.
It's an amino acid, it's self replicating chemically. It's not alive in the cellular definition, but it's easy enough to assemble them into cells, as they are the basic building blocks.

>And nobody followed up their work with any greater success.
Simply wrong, again Check out the Volcanic spark discharge and H2S spark discharge experiments of 2008 and 2010 respectively.

>>2948574
Enlighten me how life spontaneously generated, something disproven by science over a century ago.

>>2948572
It would make God a liar, as He told Moses how he created everything. Job too.

If God is a liar, mankind has no hope. Be careful what you argue for.

>>2948576
Yes, that nothing on earth could breathe, and live.

It's a weak case even for ID, much less for evolution/abiogenesis.

>>2948576
You can think Mother Nature is a crack whore with a bag of magic particles flinging them about the universe at random, if you'd like.

Nothing to stop you from being a fool. Nothing at all.

>>2948539
>haha memes
Popper is a philosopher of science know for his critique of psychoanalysis, not a critique of religion specifically; good job getting triggered just because you were told to read a book.

>>2948607

>Yes, that nothing on earth could breathe, and live.
Completely irrelevant, retard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_organism

>It's a weak case even for ID, much less for evolution/abiogenesis.
First off, abiogenesis and evolution are two different things

Secondly, it is NOT a weak case for abiogenesis. It directly shows how you can take chemicals, heat them for a week or two, and end up with amino acids.

>>2948610
And you can be a deluded christtard who believes a bunch of inconsistent books are some transcendental truth. Nothing to stop you from being a fool.

>>2948602
You're clearly very confused. You have a god-addled brain. But it's not too late. Throw away the big book of wizards, and think for yourself.

>>2948616
I think that you're just a sad cuckold. I think I'm right about this too.

>>2948602
>Be careful what you argue for.
so you believe in conclusions simply because you would like it more if they turned out to be true?

>hey, my car stopped working
>maybe you popped a tire, anon, want to go check?
>if that were true then I'd have to buy a new one anon, be careful what you argue for

>>2948645
thanks for admitting defeat

>>2948620
Life could not start on earth under conditions no life could live.

How desperate you are to not acknowledge your own creator.

And how dim to believe the bible is inconsistent in any way whatsoever.

>>2948621
Again, if God lied to Moses about how He created the world, and to Job, then God is a liar and mankind is without hope.

You can play the what if game until you die.

Then horrifying reality will set in.

>>2948652
>Life could not start on earth under conditions no life could live.
But since not all life requires aerobic respiration, it is easily possible for life to start that way. Try again.

>And how dim to believe the bible is inconsistent in any way whatsoever.
You might want to try reading Matthew 1 and Chronicles 3 side by side.

>>2948656
But God clearly lied to Moses when He said that the Mostiatic covenant would be eternal, or He lied to Jesus et al when he said it was abolished, which in turn would involve lying to Ezekiel about the inauguration of the third temple with a sin offering.

To be a Christian necessarily involves believing that God lies to people on at least some occasions.

>2017
>worshipping the demiurge

>>2948659
Go ahead and point out the "inconsistencies" between Matthew 1 and Chronicles 3.

And no, life that arose under ammonia and methane would not live except under ammonia and methane.

>>2948665
>But God clearly lied

Gnosticism

>>2948665
The Mosaic covenant is eternal. So is the New Covenant. So is the Promise to Abraham. More than one thing can be eternal at once.

>>2948681
Aye, the belief that men can be wiser than God.

>>2948682

Foolishness and idiocy can be eternal.

>>2948685

A god that goes down with a chariot

>>2948680
>Go ahead and point out the "inconsistencies" between Matthew 1 and Chronicles 3.

Matthew lists 14 generations between David and Jechonias. Chronicles lists 18. In
the world that the rest of us live in, 18 and 14 are different numbers.

>And no, life that arose under ammonia and methane would not live except under ammonia and methane.
Wrong again. Furthermore, irrelevant, as that whole "extinction and replacement" is a thing.

>>2948681
No, I don't need to cite to any Gnostic texts. You simply cannot reconcile the Old Testament and the New Testament without concluding that God lies on occasion.

>>2948682
Oh, so if the Mosiatic Covenant is eternal and in force, then why does supercessionism exist?

>>2948693
No, foolishness and idiocy end in the lake of fire.

Apollo is not real, no matter what Constantine thought.

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>>2948548

I was never a fan of Islam, but I guess I concede your point.

>>2948704
>foolishness and idiocy end in the lake of fire

Reserved for the foolish and idiots that kept following the demiurge.

>>2948696
Still, the question remains: why 41 male ancestors from Abraham to Jesus, rather than the 42 that Matthew 1:17 seems to suggest? The fact is, Matthew does not tell us exactly why he only included 41 names, but again, it would appear that he grouped the names of Jesus’ male ancestors in a manner that would aid in retention of the information. Though commentators have varying ideas of Matthew’s three-fold breakdown of Christ’s genealogy, it seems logical simply to take Matthew at his word. That is, it appears that the writer counted the great King David twice (again, for amplification and memorization purposes). The conclusion of the genealogy is broken down thusly: from “Abraham to David,” from “David until the captivity in Babylon,” and “from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ” (1:17, emp. added). Since David is the only name in the genealogy of Christ that is listed twice in Matthew 1:17, then it would seem logical to conclude that Matthew intentionally counted David twice, thus getting the number 42. [As the most celebrated king in the history of Israel, the Jews would have appreciated David’s name marking an end and a beginning to divisions in Jesus’ genealogy. What’s more, “the numerical value of ‘David’ in Hebrew is fourteen…. By this symbolism Matthew points out that the promised ‘son of David’ (1:1), the Messiah, has come” (Carson, 1994, 8:69).]

Maybe there are different numbers because each man is writing different things to different people.....

That took me 30 seconds to google, btw.....

>>2948704
Jeremiah 8:8
How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.
1 John 5:19
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

According to the bible, a fallen angel wanted to be God, and his people populate the earth and are the majority.
This fallen angel was to deceive all so they worshipped him.
According to the bible, God is evil as fuck, just like a demon, very unjust, very boastful, very arrogant.

It is very easy to tell what has happened here.

Christians, muslims and jews, all of them worship the devil.

>>2948698
Many heresies exist. Why pick only that one for justification?

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>>2948572

Have you read about the despair code?

Reality has been created by demons and we've all been in hell for quite some time.

That the religions were made to give false hope and that anyone genuinely happy is simply a meat zombie made to make those who actually suffer jealous of their happiness.

>>2948707
If you think the devil is God, you're welcome to follow Mohammad to hell.

>>2948708
Yes, people that follow supernatural beings of their own imaginations do end up in a lake of fire.

>>2948712
If it's so easy to see what happened, why are you so wrong?

>>2948719
See
>>2948712

I'm gnostic in this sense, I rarely use the word "demiurge"

>>2948723

I'm not though.

>>2948715

Hi.

>>2948712

There's a god that can pluck you out via gnosis.

Study the bible to recognize the devil as the god people worship.

>>2948710
Maybe you could spend that time googling something that actually answers the objection I raised instead of the one you wanted to answer. I didn't ask why the three lists of 14 only have 41 names between them. why the list given in Matthew goes

> David, Solomon, Rehoboam, Abijah, Asa, Jehoshaphat, Joram, Uziah, Jotham, Ahaz, Hezekiah, Manesseh, Amon, Josiah, Jechoniah

Whereas Chronicles goes

>David, Solomon, Abijah, Asa, Jehoshaphat, Joram, Ahaziah, Josah, Amaziah, Azariah, Jotham, Ahaz, Hezekiah, Manasseh, Amon, Josiah, Jechoiakim, Jechoniah.

Those are different lists.

>>2948733

Have you ever been introduced to Roko's Basilisk?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk

>>2948713
So, to be clear, you're of dual-covenant theology? How do you reconcile that with Paul's statements that sacrifices no longer need to be brought, or that circumcision no longer needs to be done, even among Hebrews?

>>2948747

No, but I received gnosis, felt god within me, felt time warping, felt lots of divine things and dreamed that I would ascend to heaven.

I believe what I believe because of what I have experienced, not out of blind faith.

Why are you so retarded?

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>>2948752

Um. You are aware that experience can be fabricated? I mean that was the whole point of the demon thought experiment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_demon

I could put DMT in your airsupply and you'd think you'd be talking to god.

Also I have experienced hallucinations due to lack of sleep which had me encounter shadow people. I interpreted their presence as the sign of the dark god who is telling me that everything I was raised to believe was a lie. I too can have experience.

>>2948772
>hallucinations

It's amazing how people keep hallucinating spiritual experiences and none of them hallucinate being in an anime or a videogame.

>>2948548
Hmmmm ... fuck off, Troll.

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>>2948794

I've had anime and video game dreams. Mostly about EVE online. I don't do drugs, but I suspect I could easily have an experience related to those topics if I did.

>>2948808
>dreams

So have I, but dreams are dreams and hallucinated realities are hallucinated realities.

>>2948808

Btw I "hallucinated" that a whore in a medic coat asked me to accept the devil or be declared insane and last I checked I'm still living on neetbux, must be hallucinating my entire life.

>>2948726
That's God condemning the takenot of the Jews, not the scriptures. Learn what a scribe is.

You're as wrong as wrong can be on the most important thing in the world. The divinity and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Being wrong on those means that everything you're right about is meaningless.

>>2948812

I mean I've had dreams where I thought they were real. If I was religious I'd probably think a pagan god was talking to me.

>>2948821

As in I could totally see Muhammad having a vivid dream and think angels were talking to him.

>>2948745
Again, because Matthew was not naming everyone, but putting everyone into three groups of 14, for whatever Jew reason he had.

Why he left people out is between him and God.

If you want a comprehensive list, look to Luke, who promised you a comprehensive list. Not to Matthew, who is using genealogy to prove Jesus is the heir of David. David. See? Twice.

>>2948819

The god depicted in the bible is evil as fuck and jesus says to be a little obedient bitch to him.

Also I'm not wrong, if jesus were legit, you could be able to do miracles in his name, and none of you can do such a thing.

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>>2948823

So a loving god gives imperfect information to people with low iqs and expects them to make the right decision?

HARD MODE: He allowed 3 competing religions to all claim to be the "one true religion"!

>>2948750
Galatians 4
Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

The purpose of the Old Covenant is to show mankind that the demonic gospel, know good and evil and thus be like God, is a lie.

The purpose of the Law is not to make men righteous, but to make men criminals. That's the power of the Law.

I am a citizen of the Jerusalem that is above, brought there by the New Covenant in Christ Jesus, and driven to that by the Old Covenant that proved I was worthy of death.

The Old Covenant was not good, and had nothing to do either with having a relationship with the living God, or the afterlife. It is there to drive a man to despair, and in that despair, to the cross.

>>2948800
Because I tell you the truth, give you light, and you prefer lies, and the darkness?

Seems to me you're the one that's going to be fucking off.

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>>2948828
You're evil as fuck, and in the darkness of the lanterns that are your eyes, there is nothing but darkness inside you.

Of course you see nothing but darkness.

>>2948832
How is it imperfect? 14 and 42 mean something in Hebrew, and Matthew was writing to the Hebrews, not to me.

All the bible is for me; not all the bible is to me.

>>2948848
>You're evil as fuck

How? What have I done?

>>2948852
You dare to judge God as evil, blaspheming the Holy Spirit of God, which is unpardonable and paid for in a lake of fire for eternity.

How are you not evil?

>>2948858
>You dare

Yes and I'm right in my judgement if we are to be objective.

Take your head out of your butt and remove the bandage of faith from your eyes.

>>2948852
Plus, you're that insane Spaniard who asks for miracles and then denies them when provided.

Pure evil.

I've warned you many times that it is an evil generation that demands miracles, but you keep being evil. That's okay. God will repay you to your face.

>>2948823
>Again, because Matthew was not naming everyone, but putting everyone into three groups of 14, for whatever Jew reason he had.
So then he LIES. Because he doesn't just say that there were 14 generations. He links them all, father to son. He says that Uziah/Ahaziah is the father of Jotham, skipping a number of generations to get his magic 14.

>If you want a comprehensive list, look to Luke
You mean the one that lists a completely different genealogy of Joseph and has to be retconned into saying it's a genealogy of Mary despite that appearing nowhere in the text?

Furthermore, the claim was that the two passages are inconsistent. You saying that Matthew has a reason for labeling an inconsistency (or rather, just saying he does while not giving a reason) doesn't change the fact that they are indeed inconsistent.

>>2948865
Your judgment is shit.

Between you and God, one of you is evil, and you got the wrong one. A coin toss is as reliable as you are.

>>2948867
Jews also have some deal where a grandson is a son, a son in law is a son, etc. Study Hebrew if you care about such things. I'll just take it that Jesus is the Son of David, as He responded to some blind men who called Him that and healed their blindness.

You? You remain blind, willfully.

>>2948839
>The Old Covenant was not good, and had nothing to do either with having a relationship with the living God, or the afterlife. It is there to drive a man to despair, and in that despair, to the cross.
Which is of course why the first instance of anyone writing about this terrible despair and impossibility of living by it are a bunch of Christians arguing that you don't need to. Funny how that works.

Furthermore, part and parcel of your argument is that the claim of God in Deuteronomy that it is not too hard for you (that which I command you) is another lie. Funny how God needs to keep lying to make your "theology" come out to where you need it.

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>>2948851

If you were born Muslim and raised Muslim, chances are you'd be a Muslim now.

If you were born a Jew and raised a Jew, chances are you'd be a Jew now.

See where I am leading this... Are you saying god blessed you by making you born a Christian? Does that mean he gives fuck all about Muslims?

If the information was perfect and everyone had high enough IQs, they'd all know it was the truth. How can you have free will when you are too stupid to make a consenting choice?

Most people just use the "default" option and go with the religion they were raised with. Not the religion they were introduced to later in life.

>>2948866
>denies them when provided

You've never done a single miracle.

Are you that insane murrican whom is violent and fucking evil and roleplays being a good christian?

>>2948872
>Jews also have some deal where a grandson is a son, a son in law is a son,
Please, cite to whatever the hell you're talking about. The closest thing is the levirate marriage, which doesn't skip generations unless incest gets thrown into the mix.

> Study Hebrew if you care about such things.
I have, which is why I came to the conclusion that Christianity is a pack of garbage.

>ll just take it that Jesus is the Son of David, as He responded to some blind men who called Him that and healed their blindness.
You might want to check out Deuteronomy chapter 13. Positing that revelation comes from mere performance of miracles is a big no-no.

>>2948878

Lucifer had imperfect information and rebelled. Therefore he had free will.

Humans have imperfect information. Therefore have no free will.

>>2948832
Hahaha. A god who knows all and is almighty that decides not to tell everybody that he exists, but only a few long dead prophets who probably had psychosis. A god giving humans the ability to search for proof and wanting them to believe without proof, that makes perfectly sense. A god commanding Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree and knowing they will do it (knows all) and after that punishing them. Where can i join?

>>2948866
So asking for proof is evil in your opinion. Where are these miracles? I have never seen one, why should he just show them to certain people not to all. If there is a god, then he just don´t give a fuck about us leaving us fighting with each other.

>>2947378

Science has proven most things regarded as fact by religion to be false, but it has never proven the existence of a creator to be false. We don't have that amount of knowledge yet.

So basically, it's foolish to say with certainty that God does not exist, or he does.

>>2948977

Which leaves the door for any type of god. Not simply a Christian one.

the closest weve ever come to creating life tends to be in moments of complete accident.

we are nowhere close to understanding the process of life.

>>2947378
Even Issac Newton cared more about religion than science.

>>2948977
Science is always wrong, and never proves anything. They just put something out there and see if someone can prove it's false. The lack of ability to prove it's false is not the same as it being true.

Science is wrong, always has been wrong, and always will be wrong. Calling it "self correcting" is also wrong, and saying "it's getting closer to the truth" is also wrong.

>>2948942
And I have. Many, many miracles.

Because I am a child of God, and you a child of the devil. What are you going to see, child of the devil, but for the devil's counterfeit lies? What else has your father to show you, but lies?

>>2949028
He was deeply interested in calculating the return of Jesus Christ, and came up with 2056 as his best guess.

>>2948977
There is no cosmos creator at all. A creator has to use things that are already there like building a sandcastle with sand, but if it´s already there then there is no beginning of the cosmos. And to create something from nothing is impossible, that is proven by logical thought.

>>2949045
So science says there is gravity thus it´s wrong and i can jump to the moon if i want to?

>>2949045
>They just put something out there and see if someone can prove it's false.
t. "God is real, prove me wrong u literally can't" poster

religion throws the burden of proof around more than anything, your entire argument is just "there are a couple of unexplained blanks, so I'm gonna ad-lib and fill them in with god" followed by "wow look at all these blanks that god can fill in! If the shoe fits wear it, am I right?" followed by "well there's no evidence he ISN'T here".

>>2949057
How in the holy fuck would you know what is necessary to create a universe?

>>2949061
What is gravity? It went from "makes things fall" to "as above, so below" to "an inherent property of mass" to "curvature of time-space".

All

Wrong

>>2949077
God has no need to prove Himself to you. Doesn't even bother.

Just starts out "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

There is a God, and if you can't even figure that out, God has no use for you.

>>2949081

Easy. Infinite number of universes exist. Most of them are dead. Eventually with enough of them, a select few with have the random variables for life.

>>2949089
All you do is just put something out there to see if I can prove it false, and never prove anything.

That's exactly what you just said science was wrong for having done. Nice contradiction.

>>2949049
Why should i believe in the devil? It´s all fiction. I am not a bad person, why should god throw me to hell just because i don´t believe in him?

>>2949089

Neither does the Basilisk, but it might get some joy torturing you for all eternity.

>>2949077
Yep. the word god is the new X. X did it.

>>2949084
So makes things fall is wrong? So i can really jump to the moon, i feel so excited. I try it now, wait, fuck i can´t.

>>2949096
>Infinite number of universes exist

Prove this.

Collect Nobel.

>>2949097
Nobody, and nothing, can or will ever prove God to be false in any way, shape or form. Ever.

Scientific "facts"? Usually last 1 generation.

>>2949098
You can believe whatever you want to believe. The devil is real; God is real; heaven is real; hell is real.

Not believing in God is a huge problem.

For you.

>>2949100
Figments of your (or someone else's) imagination are no replacement for reality.

>>2949129
Yes. Release an object in space. It does not fall.

>>2949141
I have no problem at all with it, don´t worry i´m fine without it.

>>2949089
Gee, what a dick.

>>2947378
>tfw there's more of a possibility that god exists than evolution does
>tfw God is actually more proven by science than evolution

>>2949137
So all what pythagoras said is not believed anymore, can you prove this?

>>2949137
Small scientific fact for you: "2 straight lines can not close a room" Is this false or what? Or i make it easier for you 2+2=4.is this false. That´s what science says.

>>2949141
If Jesus is real, then why did TrickyBangBangGooberBlatt kill him and rip off the top of his head and use it to animate zombies?

Checkmate, Christfags.

>>2947378
>god did it
>life just popped into existence

wait so the second one is too incredible? Why is the second more unbelievable than a magic person with omnipotence and omniscience creating the universe? You're just setting the incredibility of it one step back. "So where did god come from?"