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Do """Prussian Values""" really make good soldiers?
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>>2939447
Define Prussian values
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>>2939447
>>2939489
I reckon OP is referring to Prussian virtues:
>Prussian virtues (German: preußische Tugenden) refers to the virtues associated with the historical Kingdom of Prussia, especially its militarism and the ethical code of the Prussian army, but also bourgeois values as influenced by Lutheranism and Calvinism. It has also significantly influenced wider German culture, such as the contemporary German stereotypes of efficiency, austerity and discipline.

To answer Op's question, of course militaristic ideology helps in acquiring disciplined and effective soldiers.
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It's interesting that German officers during the world wars era had a habit of "losing contact" with their superiors when they thought their orders were not ideal in the face of the situation at the front and doing what they thought was right.

Germans were far from being mindless drones. Mssion-type tactics combined with excellent training and merit based advancement ensured brilliant leadership on the tactical level and a maximization of the efficiency of material usage.

Unfortunately the autism that made Germans shine brighter than anyone else when it comes to details, made it impossible for them to appreciate the big picture and so their strategy was based on make belief more than reality. It didn't help that German bluntness and social awkwardness made it completely impossible to collect any intelligence whatsoever on the enemy, so the German leadership rarely knew what they were up against, while their plans were transparent to anyone to who cared to do some research.
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>>2939915
>Karl Marx
>Germanic philosopher
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>>2939447
Slavonic leadership does.
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>>2939915
Why is /his/ full of this asterisk autism?
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>>2939986
>Slavonia
>A province in Croatia
redpill me on this "slavonic leadership"
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>>2940218


sometimes /pol/sters sneak in
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They make infantry OP and when combined with quality and offensive ideas make their general combat stats much higher.
If you invest in key forts and keep them fully staffed you can slow down army tradition decay to a trickle. With a few good policies you can reach the magical disipline value of 125% making you do more damage and take less in return.
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>>2939447

Sort of. Prussian military traditions like Aufstragstaktik served them extremely well at the tactical level. However, they have an equally terrible habit of trying to use their superlative tactical ability to compensate for mediocre operational planning and absolutely abysmal strategy.

Pretty much the *only* time in modern industrial warfare that German tactical skill actually carried them all the way to victory was the Battle of France in 1940, which together with Weserubung effectively won the western theater for them. On almost every other occasion, the German Army's tactical brilliance and skilled field commanders carried them to the edge of victory before they outran their lines of communication and realized they couldn't call for close air or artillery support and they were running out of fuel and ammunition and holy shit Hans that's a lot of Rus-

The Second Marne, in my opinion, is an excellent case study of this tendency in German military culture: Ludendorff developed a truly excellent new tactical doctrine (Infiltration/Stormtroop tactics) based on input from his field commanders and rankers. It was exactly the correct answer to the problems of overcoming defense-in-depth - the allies didn't even have a good defense in depth because they had been on an offensive posture for four years - and it worked beautifully in terms of territory gained. But the Ludendorff Offensive of 1918 literally did not have an operational goal - his explicit intention was just to sort of see what happened and try to exploit whatever breakthrough occurred. So all that he achieved was shattering the German field army on the same river they failed to take in 1914.
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>>2940250

>implying the hard counter isn't l' offensive a outrance
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>>2940232
It's subtle, so it won't get in the way of pride.
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>>2940321
both those look like perfect Germans for me. the second definitely got some slavic heritage, but both spoke Germany and served German nations.
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>>2940331
Creating the perfect mix of Slavic leadership and German discipline.
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>>2940358
to destroy the civilized world*
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>>2940365
exactely
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>>2939915
>>2940294
This.
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>>2940244
>sometimes
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perhaps education rather than values would be a more practical way of putting it.

getting the populace geared up for work and war.

respect for hierarchy, consensus and conformity on all matters, duty, honour and obey.

all instilled via the education system designed to produce the warrior drones and office workers of the Prussian civil and military services.
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