>seized power in a coup in Sub-Saharan Africa >still did

It's not communism, it's leninism. As much as I hate leninism, it's pretty good at secularizing and industrializing shitholes.

There is probably some merit to the whole "reject all foreign aid to solve Africa" argument. But it is too messy. Contraceptives will probably help a lot too.

>>2929801
The only part about him that was close to communism was the authoritarianism. Sounds like a successful National Socialism to me

>>2929801
Is this communism? It's really marxist Leninist inspired benevolent strongmanism.

Francafrique.
France doesn't want it's former colonies to be self sufficient, but to stay as client states for resource extraction. Hopefully China can step up to the plate

>>2929801
>Is communism the way to save Africa, /his/?
Unironically yes, their entire culture is steeped in communal exchange

>>2929801
>assassinated because he jeapordized the country's relationship with France, their former owner

As you read up on Africa you will find that France is a undisputed bully in the Francosphere who actively seek to reduce the influence of all of the African Francosphere nations so they maintain their top negotiating position and essentially ensure that no one of them ever becomes actually influential in the world.

See >>2929827

>>2929827
>Hopefully China can step up to the plate
>the Chinese resource extractors will be benevolent because at least they're not white devils
Will the Chinese allow them to migrate to Beijing as well to flood the streets with drugs or is that simply a fringe benefit they will have only under French tutelage?

I don't know.

What I do know is that a good leader can come from any political ideology. Almost as if running farms to make as much food as possible is a good idea for a starving nation.

>>2929817
Except where he was a Marxist-Leninist and a hardline communist.

I'd say so.

African culture is collectivist anyway. Everyone does what they can and takes what they need. The colonial missionaries noted how in spite of everything, vagrancy and individual hunger didn't exist on the tribal level.

>>2929837
>implying resource extraction with meddling in domestic affairs is better than resource extraction coupled with infrastructure development

>>2929837
I don't think that's what he meant. If France's influence fades away without appropriate replacement, different factions within the country will seek to fill the void. Even China is better than the guys you'll see going up against each other in such a situation.

>>2929801
>eliminated tribal warlords
>vaccines for polio, meningitis, and measles
>recognize AIDS as a threat
>banned female genital mutilation, forced marriages and polygamy
>appointed women to government positions, encouraged them to go to school and to work
>encouraged the use of contraceptives
>still did all this in a couple years
Many other leaders did this.

>OPPOSED FOREIGN AID
This is a meme. Foreign aid doesn't stifle the economy, 99% of the population get cheap clothing or whatever and 1% has to get another job. Boo hoo.

>collectivized their shit, which gave the country self-sufficiency and even a food surplus
BF was experiencing a rebound after a famine, nothing to do with collectivization. The arbitrary obsession with self-sufficiency and collectivization stifled the economy.

>he even lowered his own salary to $450 a month and limited his possessions to a car, four bikes, three guitars, a fridge and a broken freezer
He failed in his duty to impress foreign dignitaries with displays of wealth and opulence.

>assassinated because he jeapordized the country's relationship with France, their former owner
He jeopardized relations with everyone, he was a commie fanatic at a time when the cold war was over.

>wrote the national anthem for his country himself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xreJgh21-z0
neat, he should have stuck to making music instead of getting into politics

>>2929849
Even before he had to find international support after his war against the west?

His character is very humble, one can like him for that reason only.

He refused to use air conditioner in his office because most of his countrymen lacked that.

>>2929801
No. All other attempts at communism in Africa have failed.

>>2929929
That's because there have quite literally been none, they all just said "yeah, I'm a communist" to get them sweet free AK-47s from SU

>>2929827
China is even worse, lel.

>>2929891
Where did Thomas Sankara touch you as a kid?

>>2929956
You should ask the Africans what they think

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>>2929966
...end black genocide now!

>>2929983
I guess the /pol/ meme about little yellow dicks just didn't work out

>>2929983
>western meme media
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-africa

>. On average, 63 percent [PDF] of Africans view China’s economic and political influence as somewhat or very positive, according to a 2016 poll conducted in thirty-six countries by Afrobarometer, a Pan-African research network

>>2929999
Don't deflect. Turns out NOBODY likes watching foreigners fuck their women even if they promise to line the streets with gold.

The Chinese really need to decolonize their mode of thinking lest they end up exactly how the white devils did a century ago :^)

>>2929837
Fun fact this is already happening.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africans_in_Guangzhou

>>2929999
That is a get!

>>2929959
I don't hate Sankara, just stating facts. He wasn't really as exceptional a ruler as the propaganda claims.

Remember this is /his/ not /leftypol/, don't be upset by the reality of your heros.

>>2930039
Well we was pretty good compared to the rest of Francophone Africa.

>>2930044
>pretty good

More like downright amazing.

>>2930039

You basically had reddit-tier contrarian opinions to offer. The fact that he did so much in a few years and bucked the trend of succumbing to personal corruption is amazing. You can tell he was a capable leader because the French had him killed for threatening their hegemony in the region.

I like Trump because he was a total underdog, but Sankara is an underdog on a whole another level. Such a fucking badass. I wish there were more people like him I could root for.

>>2930044
>>2930056
Western colonialists eradicated smallpox, does that mean they are angels too? You can paint a rosy picture of anyone by looking solely at their good deeds. Hitler was nice to his dog.

To truly prove your point you need to compare him to other leaders and look at a wide range of things of relevance.

>>2930044
>>2930056
Or at least until he killed his dog.

>>2930079
>tfw there will never be independent competent leaders like Sankara and Gaddafi in Africa ever again
;_;

>>2929801
he was a realist and honest man, period
all his property was one single bedroom flat, a car and a couple of guitars

>>2930109
But I feel like you're ignoring the local context of his era. His accomplishments may not be that great compared to a Deng Xiaoping or Arafat or Nasser, but that's cause he started from a much lower baseline

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>>2930146
This
Pic related is what Burkina Faso looks like

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>>2930109
>>2930113
doge?

Thanks /his/, i learned something new today

Though its funny how you can see that white people actually do study black history.
So now its not "West first" in history, its "West first", "Africa second" and maybe "Japan third"

>>2929817
>National Socialism

>anti-imperialist, anti-apartheid, communist

>When asked why he didn't want his portrait hung in public places, as was the norm for other African leaders, Sankara replied: "There are seven million Thomas Sankaras."

>Improving women's status in Burkinabé society was one of Sankara's explicit goals. His government banned female genital mutilation, forced marriages and polygamy, while appointing women to high governmental positions and encouraging them to work outside the home and stay in school even if pregnant.[5]

>Sankara also promoted contraception and encouraged husbands to go to market and prepare meals to experience for themselves the conditions faced by women. Sankara recognized the challenges faced by African women when he gave his famous address to mark International Women’s Day on 8 March 1987 in Ouagadougou. He spoke to thousands of women in a highly political speech in which he stated that the Burkinabé revolution was "establishing new social relations" which would be "upsetting the relations of authority between men and women and forcing each to rethink the nature of both. This task is formidable but necessary."[27] Furthermore, Sankara was the first African leader to appoint women to major cabinet positions and to recruit them actively for the military.[5]

Sorry /pol/, he wasn't /yourguy/

>>2930533
>There are seven million Thomas Sankaras
pretty based.

>>2930533

I wouldn't mind this kind of empowered individualism within a collective society, provided that moral degeneracy is discouraged. Still /pol/-tier "national socialism" but only for the open-minded. I guess now there's a Marxist who I can openly say "wasn't a bad guy", and it seems like he's more like the ideal Che Guevera than Che Guevera ever was.

Where can I go to learn more about Thomas Sankara?

>>2929801
African Socialist Union when

>>2930010
>Crime

Well, that WAS what I was expecting.

>>2930843
Pan-African communism when

Red continent NOW

>Marxist Red
>In the Heart of Darkness

Black and Red together, ancom colors. It's a sign.

No, fascism is the way forward for Africa
>intense nationalism to throw off former colonial relations
>love of nation to help their fellow people
>socialist policies so the weakest can thrive
>capitalistic initiative so they can stay competitive

>>2929983
RICE'D

>>2930843
whenever people like Gaddafi and Sankara try, they got toppled by the West

Oh, look, another socialist who died too early, before he could fuck everything up, so he is held as an example of success.

Can't do that with any other socialist leader in Africa, like Ahmed Sekou Touré, Julius Nyerere, Mengistu Haile Mariam, Robert Mugabe, Agostinho Neto, Samora Machel, Mathieu Kérékou, Siad Barre, Didier Ratsiraka, Marien Ngouabi...

No, those guys didn't even exist, they are ignored, but I've heard of a guy in the Congo, I think his name was Patrice Lumumba, he would be a great socialist leader had he succeeded to, I'm sure!

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are you telling me that we were once kings?

>>2929829
this
the only time Somalia was ever good was when it was communist, and i'm pretty sure Angola today is still unironically comunist

>>2929827
>hopefully China can step up to the plate
hopefully not
if neo-colonialism continues, under China no less, Africa is going to get fucked even harder than it is now

>>2929801
>a car, four bikes, three guitars

How decadent

>>2931267
>intense nationalism
if they do this, they'll need to completely restructure most of the nations on the continent so that you don't have certain tribes who hate each other sharing the same continent.

>>2932143
this
china's only building infrastructure to sap away all the resources themselves, same thing with the south china sea.

'it's ours!'
'it really isn't'
'it is if we build rand!'
now those shitters are mining natgas on the ocean floor, and making breakthroughs in scale

>>2929801
He already owns more cars, bikes and guitars than I do. Bet many of his subjects didn't have a single guitar too.

>>2932177
There's going to be a lot less ethnic groups in Africa pretty soon...

>>2929801

Sankara was based imho. If it's communism like Sankara's sure.

HOWEVER, considering the governments there are corrupt as fuck, I'd probably advocate for a more libertarian form of socialism.

>>2930749

Look him up on google or go to /leftypol/ (considering Sankara was a leftist). You get a couple of Thomas Sankara fan boys over there.

>>2929891
>This is a meme. Foreign aid doesn't stifle the economy
Who said anything about that? Foreign aid is a tool used by the top dog countries and international organizations (UN, IMF, etc.) to force compliance from a country and to give up part of their sovereignty, usually through technocrat advisors. That's when foreign aid organizations aren't front groups for spying, arming/funding of rebel groups and other roads to regime change i.e. USAID.

>>2932899
I hope so. They were never meant to explode in population like they did in the past few decades thanks to do gooders.

>>2932939

I want a book or something.

>>2929835

But why? England's approach to their former colonies makes em more money than France's, and they're on a floating wasteland.

>>2933530
Thomas Sankara Speaks: The Burkina Faso Revolution seems pretty good to me.

>>2929999
Quality digits for a quality post

>>2929837
>Will the Chinese allow them to migrate to Beijing as well to flood the streets with drugs or is that simply a fringe benefit they will have only under French tutelage?
Well maybe the French should stop fucking around with their governments in return. Ever think about that?

>>2930533
>National socialism isn't the defense of your people it is a white imperialist agenda

Actually I'm just going to stop here and let you think about what you just said.

>heres a bunch of unrelated gender politics with stuff like men should know how to cook
Awesome good for them, that's not tied to any political party really, more of a social matter. Yeah he probably wasn't a natsoc but don't construe the meaning of something that is not inherently evil.

>>2933898
>National Socialism is just the defense of your people and not an entire ideological baggage including a personality cult for the Fuhrer and ethnic supremacism
Zimbabwe and North Korea are closer to NatSoc than Burkina Faso ever was.

>that's not tied to any political party really, more of a social matter
Are you retarded? It was a major socialist issue back then and he pushed it from a Marxist angle.
And god forbid political parties ever deal with "social matters"

Sankara was a textbook Marxist, truly exemplary of the ideology. Everything he did can and should be understood in that context, calling him NatSoc is nonsensical.

>>2934077

Maybe national socialist in the most literal sense of the word. A nationalist, a socialist. A lot of people have no qualms with that considering that such movements aim to not only empower individuals but also inspire collective greatness, if it doesn't succumb to corruption and degeneracy as so many often do.

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>>2929801

Here's the thing. outside the west people don't really have much of an issues being pragmatic or changing stances, compromising with their political beliefs and models.

Only in the west do you have a "REEEEEEEEEEEE YOU HAVE TO BE LIKE Y THIS TO BE CONSIDERED X" mentality run rampant which infected western politics

His literacy campaign was a big fuck up.

>>2932143
once China get some decent power projection Africa is fucked.

>>2929837
Africans just go to China for education or buying stuff up to sell back home for their business.

>>2935927
China's Army is a fucking joke. They can't even peacekeep worth a shit.

>>2929801
>eliminated tribal warlords
You have it backwards, Anon, they elimated him

>>2932217
You mean the same other neocolonial powers did? How is China any worse?

Fucking biased

>>2930471
There is just a lot less to learn about black history than asian history.

>>2930068
Lmfao he commited many human rights violations, accused all his political enemies as being "counter revolutionaries" like most communist shithole and scored a 7 (worst score) on the annual "Freedom in the world" report.

If anything all the leftypol faggots who suck his dick are the contrarians.

>>2936698
Human rights are a delusion of the bourgeoisie.

>>2936709
Yes comrade. I always check with the ministry of truth before i spout such nonsense about human rights.

>>2936716
https://philosophersforchange.org/2013/07/09/human-rights-a-marxian-perspective/

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What a nice guy.

>>2936698
>>2936786
>jokes about "the ministry of truth"
>cites fucking Freedom House, a US organ

Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman have criticized the organization for excessively criticizing states opposed to US interests while being unduly sympathetic to regimes supportive of US interests.[60] For example, Freedom House described the Rhodesian general election of 1979 as "fair" [the UN declared it "null and void"], but described the Southern Rhodesian 1980 elections as "dubious",[60] and it found El Salvador's 1982 election to be "admirable".[60]

In May 2001, the Committee on Non-Governmental Organizations of the United Nations heard arguments for and against Freedom House. Representatives of Cuba said that the organization is a U.S. foreign policy instrument linked to the CIA and "submitted proof of the politically motivated, interventionist activities the NGO (Freedom House) carried out against their Government". They also claimed a lack of criticism of U.S. human rights violations in the annual reports. Cuba also stated that these violations are well documented by other reports, such as those of Human Rights Watch. Other countries such as China and Sudan also gave criticism. The Russian representative inquired "why this organization, an NGO which defended human rights, was against the creation of the International Criminal Court."

>>2936807

Daniel Treisman, a UCLA political scientist, has criticized Freedom House's assessment of Russia. Treisman has pointed out that Freedom House ranks Russia's political rights on the same level as the United Arab Emirates, which, according to Freedom House, is a federation of absolute monarchies with no hint of democracy anywhere in the system. Freedom House also ranks Russia's civil liberties on the same scale as those of Yemen. In Yemen, according to the constitution, Sharia law is the only source of legislation, and allows assaults and killings of women for alleged immoral behaviour. Criticising the president is illegal in Yemen. Treisman contrasts Freedom House's ranking with the Polity IV scale used by academics and in which Russia has a much better score. In the Polity IV scale, Saudi Arabia is a consolidated autocracy (-10), while the United States is a consolidated democracy (+10); Russia has a score of +4, while United Arab Emirates has a score of -8.

Craig Murray, the British ambassador to Uzbekistan from 2002 to 2004, wrote that the executive director of Freedom House told him in 2003 that the group decided to back off from its efforts to spotlight human rights abuses in Uzbekistan, because some Republican board members (in Murray's words) "expressed concern that Freedom House was failing to keep in sight the need to promote freedom in the widest sense, by giving full support to U.S. and coalition forces". Human rights abuses in Uzbekistan at the time included the killing of prisoners by "immersion in boiling liquid," and by strapping on a gas mask and blocking the filters, Murray reported.

Bollen studied the question of ideological bias [in their method] using multivariate statistics. Using their factor-analytic model for human-rights measurements, Bollen and Paxton estimate that Gastil's method produces a bias of 0.38 standard deviations (s.d.) against Marxist–Leninist countries and a larger bias, 0.5 s.d., favoring Christian countries.[68]

>>2936789
>PRT
>The tribunals have been alleged to have been only show trials, held very openly with oversight from the public

>CR
>Individuals would use their power to settle scores or punish enemies. Sankara himself noted the failure publicly. The public placed blame for actions of individual CDRs squarely on Sankara

It's fucking nothing compared to what Stalinist countries were doing.

>>2929809
>When it works it's not real Communism

>>2936807
>>2936814
>freedom house is untrustworthy t. shitty marxist philosopher noam chomsky

Also the ministry of truth comes from 1984 which is based on a mega totalitarian socialist state (not using the word communist so i don't trigger "muh 65 genders of communism" weirdos)

Just admit it. Despite being "anti imperialist" most communist Africans were just puppets of Russian imperialism. Hell almost every communist revolution in the 20th century was which is why you hardly see any communist rebellions after the fall of the USSR since Russia was funding most.

>>2936875
>stopped reading at Chomsky
>muh 1984 communist africans were all the same
How about addressing the very specific points raised in the two posts?

>>2931267
>nationalism
>in a continent where there weren't even nations everywhere
>in a continent with intense ethnic divisions even within countries
>not realizing internationalism makes more sense
>in a continent where literally every group of people has a shared experience of imperialism
back to /pol/ brainlet, nationalism isn't the answer to every problem

>>2932005
*revisionism intensifies*

>>2936846
Of course not. It still was a fucking commie regime that killed it's own people for the sake of it.

>>2936807
>Cuba
>China
>Russia
>Sudan
TOP KEK
They have no right to talk about human rights violations in other countries.

>>2936846
Regardless of it being better than stalinist regimes or not, Sankara was a murdering, despotic asshole.

>>2929801
I'm anti-commie but Sankara was absolutely based. A tragedy that more people don't know of him.

>>2936786
Can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs.

Given the sheer amount of transformation he was pushing through, extreme measures are justified.

>>2936076
Chinese have shit tier morals but a lot of money. You cant build a solid foundation for an empire on a degenerate culture.

>>2937583
>extreme measures are justified.
are justified in hindsight or were justified by the conditions under which it occcurred. saying it wihout caveat makes you sound like a tard who wont accept being wrong. also using popular"wisdom" quotes about eggs doesnt help, its flippant and childish,

>>2937297
They have a point namefag.

>>2937601
You think Western and Eur nations are any better at all? They use the media to throw shade on China while doing worse shit behind covers.

Fucks sake a spanish anon actually showed that Spanish companies among others have funded rebels and supported them right now.

>>2932485
Maybe you should stop being poor lol

>>2932485

I bet you have air conditioning. He didn't. God forbid the head of state lives slightly above the poverty line.

>>2937583
Most problems of society would be solved if we just killed all poor people but we don't because it's cruel and inhuman.

>>2931229
>Anarcho communism
>two unviable ideologies combined
Lol, what could go wrong?

>>2936875
1984 opposed radical totalitarianism of both right and left wing extremes; it never names communism because its lessons aren't specific to communism.

>>2929837
>>2929956
>>2932143
China is communist so they won't do that.

Besides every African country loves China.

https://qz.com/565860/robert-mugabe-china-is-doing-everything-that-africas-colonizers-should-have-done/

>>2930129
I'm 8 years away.

>>2929845
Give a great leader in every ideology

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>>2937710
>he hasn't even heard of Kropotkin

>>2929801
SANKARA WAS BASED

>>2929801

Most African "communists" were just nationalists waving red flags because the Eastern Bloc was the only side willing to help them.

There's a story about a Kenyan communist leader at Moscow State University in the 60s. Some Russian professor criticized him for having "petit-bourgeois" views. The Kenyan replied, offended:

"I do not want to be a petit bourgeois. I will be a BIG bourgeois!"

>>2938788
are you retarded?

Sankara was an actual marxist leninist

>>2937583
Commie strawman N.# 39989786791

>>2937640
"Point"
Crazy dictators accusing a country with opposing ideology of something that is evil isn't a point.

>>2929891
It varies a lot in how the foreign aid manifests itself, which is what Paul Kagame says. If the foreign aid consists solely of flooding the country with goods and foreign-provided services, it's not very useful. However, if it consists of helping build infrastructure and things that facilitate economic activity, then it's good.

I am a Catholic anticommunist, but I admit communism isnt the worst thing ever.

The USA made Afghanistan worse by making it Islamist instead of Communist.

>>2938105
You forget this dude.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj86b2j7LfUAhVF6iYKHTCxAS8QFgg7MAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fqz.com%2F686091%2Fa-zimbabwe-politician-says-all-the-chinese-in-his-country-should-be-deported%2F&usg=AFQjCNFTAInqGeHe2kOLJ_W8bYbDsTFGeQ&sig2=7uXk02qnE7AvO1OZqYO2HA

Third worlders are generally more nationalist anti-elitist than actual communists though.

Cross reference him with Ho Chi Minh and you'll see trends of anti-colonialism, anti-elitism (ie: anti-collaborationism) and pro-equality.

Marxism has a lot of silly goal posts you need to make in order to be a TRUE COMMUNISTtm.

>>2929849
M-L as it actually was had a very hard nationalist streak. Sankara is the kind of nationalist every nation should strive for

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>>2938788
> /pol/ tier knowledge of history

>>2942404
this
every nation needs its own Thomas Sankara

>>2929891
>He failed in his duty to impress foreign dignitaries with displays of wealth and opulence.
Confirmed bait, nobody likes rich showy politicians.

>>2940486
fucking idiot.

"Can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs."

is the same shit ALL emerging dictators say when they abuse tier power